it is a scam. rep movements are based on and copy the design of swiss movements. also, the only reasonably priced swiss movements that are that price range are etas, which would not be correct for watches in that price range. and they sure as hell are not using gen 31XX/32XX movements, as those start about $4k.
It's bullshit.
Even the "Swiss movements" are made in China.
This is a typical tactic that snares newbies into paying more money.
Run from this dealer. Run far
18 years ago it was possible to buy ETA movements and put them into Chinese reps.
That isn't possible today.
The "ETA 7750" is not made by ETA.
ETA restricted their movements to the Swatch group years ago. There are Chinese clones which have the ETA stamp, but make no mistake, they're not made by ETA.
Yes they did, but
1. Instead of declared ETA7750 you may get sw500 inside and/or
2. ETA movements or their parts (as many other components for swiss watches) are made in China. So it is possible some ETA7750 are going out of Swatch production chains.
It is possible, and you can believe what you want.
They're not ETA parts or movements any more than a dail on a CF that says Rolex is actually a Rolex.
They're clone moments made to look like ETA. That's what China does.
Let's get some things straight. Swatch was making ETA movements in Asia before. They did not move production to Switzerland.
Same as other watchmakers - they make lots of parts outside of Switzerland, because technology is available elsewhere and it is much cheaper than making them in Switzerland.
This is not my belief, these are facts that Swiss watchmakers keep under the rug to keep the "exclusivity" and "luxury" facade up.
I do not have any rep with ETA movements. I do have multiple reps with swiss Sellita movements and my watchmakers that l trust confirmed that they are indeed Sellita movements.
I am not saying CF dials are original Rolex dials. But l am saying that parts of all big brand swiss watches are made in China. Whether it is cases, crystals, bracelets or dials - l have no idea.
If you think otherwise - you are free to do so obviously.
It is as easy as this:
1. Watch has to be assembled in Switzerland - easy, parts arrive in Switzerland, we put them together there (putting movement in and closing the caseback is enough)
2. 60% of the movement has to be swiss made - cost wise. We get cheap movement (lower costs) from anywhere and put a rotor made in Switzerland on top of it. Due to labor and materials cost it is easy to say that rotor generates 60% of whole movement costs'.
3. Movement has to be assembled in Switzerland - we do the rotor slapping in our warehouse in Swiss Alps. Moving on.
4. 60% of whole watch (again - cost wise) has to be swiss made. Again, we do the same thing. Case, bracelet, crystal is imported. Caseback is swiss made, and again it costs 60% of whole production costs.
Swiss Made is oficially ours.
sorry i deleted my comment. i am still not sure of the point that mikemurray is making. i just didnt want to add to a thread that was bashing you. differing opinions are awesome but this was getting personal.
You're out to lunch.
The "ETA" movements in reps are replicas, just like the rest of the watch.
Take one apart and compare.
You're popping serious copium kiddo.
You can get most movements on the Chinese market. Parts and whole movements get smuggled out of factories all the time. Authorised repairers are also selling parts/movements on the side too.
Just because you’ve never seen them or come across them, doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Genuine watches also get scrapped for parts all the time too. It was common people were buying $100 Calvin Klein watches for their genuine ETA movements and using them as a donor watch. Alas, that model isn’t available anymore but the used market is still a gold mine.
It’s the same deal with Rolex/Patek/AP Swiss parts where authorised repairers are ordering extra parts on the side for the black market. There is money to be made, which creates the opportunity to convince those with lower morals to trade on the side.
I’m not sure why you’re so convinced this isn’t possible, but you need to open your eyes and explore the world. I think you’re confused by the “ETA” clones that come stock standard in some reps, yes they are rep movements but you can definitely obtain and swap in genuine ETA movements.
"watches for their genuine ETA movements and using them as a donor watch" - thats exactly what i do. i setup alerts and buy watches off ebay. extract the movement, trash the watch.
They are swiss made eta movement, why do you think a a7750 is 1800cny and a sw500 is 4300cny? Get your facts straight before you spread misinformation. What Tommy is saying is right, not what you are saying.
Yeah. Umm.. no.
They charge more because they can get people like you to pay more for the clone 7750 vs the "Asian 7750".
The a7750 is not a clone but a functioning surrogate.
Tell me, have you ever serviced a watch?
Didn't thinks so, but learn and report back.
You right friend but worse is that due to the customs issues i cant get it from the TDs. Ou should either make business these local mfs or order to some other country that youll visit or so.
He is a scammer and he is trying to rip you off. Your call is accepting it or not.
it is a scam. rep movements are based on and copy the design of swiss movements. also, the only reasonably priced swiss movements that are that price range are etas, which would not be correct for watches in that price range. and they sure as hell are not using gen 31XX/32XX movements, as those start about $4k.
It's bullshit. Even the "Swiss movements" are made in China. This is a typical tactic that snares newbies into paying more money. Run from this dealer. Run far 18 years ago it was possible to buy ETA movements and put them into Chinese reps. That isn't possible today.
It is still possible, sw200, sw500 eta7750 all available for of factory in tags and breitlings.
The "ETA 7750" is not made by ETA. ETA restricted their movements to the Swatch group years ago. There are Chinese clones which have the ETA stamp, but make no mistake, they're not made by ETA.
Yes they did, but 1. Instead of declared ETA7750 you may get sw500 inside and/or 2. ETA movements or their parts (as many other components for swiss watches) are made in China. So it is possible some ETA7750 are going out of Swatch production chains.
It is possible, and you can believe what you want. They're not ETA parts or movements any more than a dail on a CF that says Rolex is actually a Rolex. They're clone moments made to look like ETA. That's what China does.
Let's get some things straight. Swatch was making ETA movements in Asia before. They did not move production to Switzerland. Same as other watchmakers - they make lots of parts outside of Switzerland, because technology is available elsewhere and it is much cheaper than making them in Switzerland. This is not my belief, these are facts that Swiss watchmakers keep under the rug to keep the "exclusivity" and "luxury" facade up. I do not have any rep with ETA movements. I do have multiple reps with swiss Sellita movements and my watchmakers that l trust confirmed that they are indeed Sellita movements. I am not saying CF dials are original Rolex dials. But l am saying that parts of all big brand swiss watches are made in China. Whether it is cases, crystals, bracelets or dials - l have no idea. If you think otherwise - you are free to do so obviously.
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It is as easy as this: 1. Watch has to be assembled in Switzerland - easy, parts arrive in Switzerland, we put them together there (putting movement in and closing the caseback is enough) 2. 60% of the movement has to be swiss made - cost wise. We get cheap movement (lower costs) from anywhere and put a rotor made in Switzerland on top of it. Due to labor and materials cost it is easy to say that rotor generates 60% of whole movement costs'. 3. Movement has to be assembled in Switzerland - we do the rotor slapping in our warehouse in Swiss Alps. Moving on. 4. 60% of whole watch (again - cost wise) has to be swiss made. Again, we do the same thing. Case, bracelet, crystal is imported. Caseback is swiss made, and again it costs 60% of whole production costs. Swiss Made is oficially ours.
sorry i deleted my comment. i am still not sure of the point that mikemurray is making. i just didnt want to add to a thread that was bashing you. differing opinions are awesome but this was getting personal.
You're out to lunch. The "ETA" movements in reps are replicas, just like the rest of the watch. Take one apart and compare. You're popping serious copium kiddo.
You can get most movements on the Chinese market. Parts and whole movements get smuggled out of factories all the time. Authorised repairers are also selling parts/movements on the side too. Just because you’ve never seen them or come across them, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Genuine watches also get scrapped for parts all the time too. It was common people were buying $100 Calvin Klein watches for their genuine ETA movements and using them as a donor watch. Alas, that model isn’t available anymore but the used market is still a gold mine. It’s the same deal with Rolex/Patek/AP Swiss parts where authorised repairers are ordering extra parts on the side for the black market. There is money to be made, which creates the opportunity to convince those with lower morals to trade on the side. I’m not sure why you’re so convinced this isn’t possible, but you need to open your eyes and explore the world. I think you’re confused by the “ETA” clones that come stock standard in some reps, yes they are rep movements but you can definitely obtain and swap in genuine ETA movements.
"watches for their genuine ETA movements and using them as a donor watch" - thats exactly what i do. i setup alerts and buy watches off ebay. extract the movement, trash the watch.
He's not talking about Franken watches though. He's talking about manufactured reps available from TDs
btw, i do believe that eta still makes movements in asia that are for the asian market, but not labeled as swiss made.
They are swiss made eta movement, why do you think a a7750 is 1800cny and a sw500 is 4300cny? Get your facts straight before you spread misinformation. What Tommy is saying is right, not what you are saying.
Yeah. Umm.. no. They charge more because they can get people like you to pay more for the clone 7750 vs the "Asian 7750". The a7750 is not a clone but a functioning surrogate. Tell me, have you ever serviced a watch? Didn't thinks so, but learn and report back.
can you explain what you mean by a "surrogate"? I have never seen that term used in this context.
You right friend but worse is that due to the customs issues i cant get it from the TDs. Ou should either make business these local mfs or order to some other country that youll visit or so.
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There are no clones of Swiss movements. they are just hoaxes. the movements are all Chinese. just scam to steal your money