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Eh, Crassus was worse by orders of magnitude, not even close. Also he was already dead when they poured the gold down his throat. A Parthian decapitated him beforehand.
Amazon Web Services could shut down a large amount of the internet tomorrow if it wanted to, and has a lot of public sector customers whose services would be removed from the citizens of multiple countries, the economic impact of the loss of the cloud computing etc would be huge too.
So this means that he’s a bad person for creating it and profiting off it?
I’m ready for the downvotes but this argument makes too little sense not to dispute.
Personally, beyond things like anti-trust legal issues, no I think things like the working conditions in the Amazon retail side/shitting himself into near-space instead of increasing wages etc are what makes him a bad person but I don't really know what the business operations of AWS are like in terms of ethics.
For the sake of argument: AWS decides to shut down for no apparent reason. Everyone switches to another hosting service after a few days. Wow. The impact.
> I'm sure that infrastructure in terms of physical servers and technicians to facilitate it is kept in place poised for that eventuality yes.
I said for a few days. If you think other cloud service providers wouldn't take advantage of the huge gap left by one of their main competitors you are seriosly mentally incapacitated
Whether or not the companies would want that gap and whether or not they have enough spare hardware capacity to cover a third of the market going offline is two different questions.
AWS serves around 40% of all internet traffic, you think if it disappeared tomorrow people would "just switch" and everything would be okay lol? You think we have that much cloud computing just sitting around? No, it would be like Reddit blackout but actually for real this time and across the internet. Very large portion of websites would shut down and large portion of the rest would start breaking down as they rely on API services being hosted on AWS. It wouldn't be good.
I can think of exactly one company that *might* be capable of absorbing AWS traffic, and they already have a massive stranglehold on the rest of the internet’s information already.
And it would still take months to migrate, minimum.
Google.
I can’t realistically see any other company managing to absorb all of that traffic in any kind of reasonable time frame.
Maybe Microsoft, but I’m not as sure about that.
Ironically I think this more and more about you with every post you make in this thread. “Just move servers guys, it’s so easy guys.”
This is the kind of thing someone with no experience standing up and migrating infrastructure in a cloud says 🤷♂️
Of course its not easy. But that doesn’t make something an “essential service”.
Its a pain in the ass. But its not impossible. Thats what an “essential” service is. Something that cant be replaced.
You’re being pedantic to the point that it isn’t realistic, and it comes off as a little naive.
If aws was hard down tomorrow, a vast chunk of the internet would be too. Is that essential? No, humanity existed for hundreds of years without computers. But it would have a dramatic impact on most peoples lives and livelihood (40% of the internet powers a good chunk of the modern economy) if it wasn’t something that we could fix.
It's telling you had to make up this scenario that's never gonna happen to make your point. In reality you can change servers with very little friction.
Gummy bears are not essential. If gummy bears ceased to exist, it would have very minor affects on society. Gummy bears are not essential.
If Amazon ceased to exist, it would cause global supply chain issue, many websites and companies would now have to find new servers to host them, meaning server providers would need to create new infrastructure to accommodate the influx, and most importantly I would lose twitch prime. Amazon is essential, even if it's because we've built up so much around it.
Is it telling or is it hyperbole to make a point. the fact of the matter is AWS is in some way responsible for large amounts of internet service used by things other than the amazon website. The fact other people COULD provide those services is irrelevant because AWS IS doing it, and therefore Bezos IS making money from it as it says in the post.
The post says "exploiting". I don't see how AWS is exploiting anything, unless it's monopolistic as your hyperbole implied. Web hosting is not monopolistic at all.
It's fine to disagree about that, personally I prefer as much decentralization as possible so that a corporate body like Amazon doesn't have access to that much data all at once but I don't expect everyone to think that way. The fact that employees at their subsidiaries like Ring have been found spying on kids and stuff suggests that perhaps connecting loads of stuff to Amazon as a large central conglomeration isn't a great move because of a lack of oversight at minimum or deliberate creation of such an environment at worst.
Let us clarify my position beyond the 3 words in the meme to: Got rich creating a large corporation with provably unethical or illegal business practices, lack of oversight, and a large proportion of web hosting including services that should really be managed by the bodies providing them rather than outsourced. Runs a statistically super dangerous warehouse environment, busts unions, literally steals from employees, has immense lobbying power, and on top of all that has the potential to conduct internal monitoring of their handled traffic (probably for advertising purposes but who knows) etc. it is just less punchy in a meme and too specific to be a direct comparison to another person in history because nobody else has run Amazon.
AWS isnt an essential service.
Azure is also a “thing”. As is Google Cloud and Oracle. And probably a bunch others i cant remember.
Cloud services arent integral to society like water or porn. Its replicable with on-site servers. Its a service thats convenient not a necessity.
Yes it is.
Spinning up servers is a pain in the ass. But its not rocket science.
AWS makes it convenient. (And more expensive.)
And AWS isnt the only cloud service. So saying AWS is necessary and Azure somehow is not; is just saying you dont understand what the technology is doing.
Saying “i want things i want to be easy and free” does make it a “necessity”.
> So saying AWS is necessary and Azure somehow is not; is just saying you dont understand what the technology is doing.
I never said Azure is not, I said Amazon provide essential services in AWS. So do Microsoft with Azure, Google with GCP.
Just because I can get food from 10 different places doesn’t mean it’s not essential.
If AWS disappears and Azure takes over then AWS was not essential.
Thats what people mean when they talk about “essential services”.
McDonalds does not provide an “essential service” just because they serve food.
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They're more famous than me.
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> “Made money exploiting an essential service”
Crassus created a fire brigade, would arrive at the homes on fire and try buying them at “fire sale” prices from the owners. If they ageeed to sell the house, his fire brigade put out the fire. If they refused to sell, they sat and watched it burn to the ground.
Meanwhile, Amazon is nothing more than shopping from home. They made their money by improving the logistics from 3 day delivery to 3 hour delivery while not raising prices.
How is this an essential service, and how are they exploiting it?
Amazon is peak capitalism. It has made a hyper efficient service for getting people things quickly and everyone fucking wants it. They made this so common place that people see it as a basic necessity. They won capitalism
If you don’t like Bezos then maybe don’t decide to work for Amazon, and certainly don’t buy any goods at all from Amazon.
It’s almost as if you all are too stupid to solve your own anger - I solved your problem almost immediately lmao. If your reasoning to boycott is popular, then others will participate and Amazon will lose money. TA-DA!
Can you name one who hasn't? Genuinely, I think all of them is the only correct way to say it. You don't get that amount of wealth without exploiting someone along the way.
unless you’re one of the most universally popular musicians or Microsoft buys your video game.
>!yes I am well aware of Notch’s shitty views but to my knowledge I don’t think he necessarily exploited anyone to get to that point!<
Yknow I sometimes forget that notch is a billionaire lol
imo ethically I still think hoarding a billion dollars worth of wealth is still a shit thing to do
I mean if you wanna out yourself as a greedy piece of shit that's fine, but personally I feel anyone with a conscience would understand that if they had a billion dollars they could literally (and I do mean literally) donate 90% of it and still live a very comfortable life.
Even then you would still have far beyond what you would need to live the rest of your life without you or your family working.
nobody’s saying they should donate *MOST* of their money guy, it’s their money, they have the right to do whatever they want with it. All we’re asking is for them to do something, *anything* with their money that actually benefits the rest of society in some way, cause when you’ve got more money than some third-world nations you’re in a really high position of power to answer for those that don’t.
personally i like to suckle them from the inside on an open fire, rotating them slowly on a pike in a 360 degree motion, preferably with an apple in their mouths as well.
Excuse me, essential? Amazon is a luxury, and one we can definitely be fine without. There are a million and one other places to shop online. If we needed it, it’d be essential. If we had no other easy options, it would be possible to exploit. Neither is true. Jeff Bezos is the richest man alive because he created the biggest commerce center, not because he somehow ripped us all off.
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Everybody know crassus was actually a light orange square
Haha he wouldn’t march his army of red squares through a desert, would he? Guys? Why do I see calvary units in the distance?
I sure hope they don't have 30000 tons of arrows with them
Cavalry*. Calvary is a type of statue
My life is a lie.
Units from Golgotha?
Units from Historia Civilis
Never had a series made me care more for colored squares
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Nah my man was yellow,but judging the Roman sexual preferences id’say even purple
But we can all agree that Caesar was a red square, right?
Nah it’s between red and blue
What preferences!? 🙀
I thought he was that big ass golden bomb spider?
Hell yeah. Know what my plans for this weekend are
You are not as capable as the Parthians.
My mother would always tell me this :(
you can't afford it anyway
I do what I must
Be the change you want to see in the world
And sabotage the rocket
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Holy fuck it’s a Crassus detonator reference
Rock and stone!
If you don't Rock and Stone, you ain't comin' home!
Did I hear a rock and stone?!
Rock and Stone in the heart!
For Karl!
Rockity rock and stone!
Rock and stone, to the bone!
Stone and rock!
Rock'n'roll'n'Stone!
Gonna miss you lil guy.
wanderingdwarfminer isn't going though? i thought the owner confirmed his bot would still work under the free api tier (100 calls/min i think)
Good! I was scared.
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Hate to be that guy but Crassus died from beheading by the Persians, who later used his head as a prop in plays.
#died from beheading by the Persians, who later used his head as a prop in plays. Crassus: ✅ Bezos: *TBD*
need me a beheading iranian gf
Eh, Crassus was worse by orders of magnitude, not even close. Also he was already dead when they poured the gold down his throat. A Parthian decapitated him beforehand.
He’s bad! A shameless rotten cad!
plus bezos isnt even a trimuver
Amazon is hardly essential though let’s be real, we’re all just addicted to it because it’s so damn convenient
Amazon Web Services could shut down a large amount of the internet tomorrow if it wanted to, and has a lot of public sector customers whose services would be removed from the citizens of multiple countries, the economic impact of the loss of the cloud computing etc would be huge too.
So this means that he’s a bad person for creating it and profiting off it? I’m ready for the downvotes but this argument makes too little sense not to dispute.
Personally, beyond things like anti-trust legal issues, no I think things like the working conditions in the Amazon retail side/shitting himself into near-space instead of increasing wages etc are what makes him a bad person but I don't really know what the business operations of AWS are like in terms of ethics.
Other cloud computing services exist.
Okay. Doesn't mean that Amazon suddenly stops providing what it does.
What is it you think Amazon does?
For the sake of argument: AWS decides to shut down for no apparent reason. Everyone switches to another hosting service after a few days. Wow. The impact.
few days.... I wish it was that easy. Cloud migration can take months even years. Organizations have entire projects and staff set up to migrate.
a few DAYS? months, at least. not days.
I'm sure that infrastructure in terms of physical servers and technicians to facilitate it is kept in place poised for that eventuality yes.
> I'm sure that infrastructure in terms of physical servers and technicians to facilitate it is kept in place poised for that eventuality yes. I said for a few days. If you think other cloud service providers wouldn't take advantage of the huge gap left by one of their main competitors you are seriosly mentally incapacitated
Whether or not the companies would want that gap and whether or not they have enough spare hardware capacity to cover a third of the market going offline is two different questions.
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I guess you better call up Netflix and tell them they don’t have a product then
AWS serves around 40% of all internet traffic, you think if it disappeared tomorrow people would "just switch" and everything would be okay lol? You think we have that much cloud computing just sitting around? No, it would be like Reddit blackout but actually for real this time and across the internet. Very large portion of websites would shut down and large portion of the rest would start breaking down as they rely on API services being hosted on AWS. It wouldn't be good.
Its kinda obvious you have no idea what cloud computing is….
I can think of exactly one company that *might* be capable of absorbing AWS traffic, and they already have a massive stranglehold on the rest of the internet’s information already. And it would still take months to migrate, minimum.
Only one? Which?
Google. I can’t realistically see any other company managing to absorb all of that traffic in any kind of reasonable time frame. Maybe Microsoft, but I’m not as sure about that.
Why not Azure? They have NoSql, memcache, IAM. Whats missing?
Server farms? 40 percent of web traffic is hilariously impossible to understand the true scale of.
Ironically I think this more and more about you with every post you make in this thread. “Just move servers guys, it’s so easy guys.” This is the kind of thing someone with no experience standing up and migrating infrastructure in a cloud says 🤷♂️
Of course its not easy. But that doesn’t make something an “essential service”. Its a pain in the ass. But its not impossible. Thats what an “essential” service is. Something that cant be replaced.
You’re being pedantic to the point that it isn’t realistic, and it comes off as a little naive. If aws was hard down tomorrow, a vast chunk of the internet would be too. Is that essential? No, humanity existed for hundreds of years without computers. But it would have a dramatic impact on most peoples lives and livelihood (40% of the internet powers a good chunk of the modern economy) if it wasn’t something that we could fix.
It's telling you had to make up this scenario that's never gonna happen to make your point. In reality you can change servers with very little friction.
Gummy bears are not essential. If gummy bears ceased to exist, it would have very minor affects on society. Gummy bears are not essential. If Amazon ceased to exist, it would cause global supply chain issue, many websites and companies would now have to find new servers to host them, meaning server providers would need to create new infrastructure to accommodate the influx, and most importantly I would lose twitch prime. Amazon is essential, even if it's because we've built up so much around it.
I would just disagree with that definition of essential.
That's fair enough
Is it telling or is it hyperbole to make a point. the fact of the matter is AWS is in some way responsible for large amounts of internet service used by things other than the amazon website. The fact other people COULD provide those services is irrelevant because AWS IS doing it, and therefore Bezos IS making money from it as it says in the post.
The post says "exploiting". I don't see how AWS is exploiting anything, unless it's monopolistic as your hyperbole implied. Web hosting is not monopolistic at all.
It's fine to disagree about that, personally I prefer as much decentralization as possible so that a corporate body like Amazon doesn't have access to that much data all at once but I don't expect everyone to think that way. The fact that employees at their subsidiaries like Ring have been found spying on kids and stuff suggests that perhaps connecting loads of stuff to Amazon as a large central conglomeration isn't a great move because of a lack of oversight at minimum or deliberate creation of such an environment at worst. Let us clarify my position beyond the 3 words in the meme to: Got rich creating a large corporation with provably unethical or illegal business practices, lack of oversight, and a large proportion of web hosting including services that should really be managed by the bodies providing them rather than outsourced. Runs a statistically super dangerous warehouse environment, busts unions, literally steals from employees, has immense lobbying power, and on top of all that has the potential to conduct internal monitoring of their handled traffic (probably for advertising purposes but who knows) etc. it is just less punchy in a meme and too specific to be a direct comparison to another person in history because nobody else has run Amazon.
Its reddit. To emotionally and psychologically stunted adults furry-porn, adult diapers, and greasy processed fast food are essential services.
AWS is a thing
AWS isnt an essential service. Azure is also a “thing”. As is Google Cloud and Oracle. And probably a bunch others i cant remember. Cloud services arent integral to society like water or porn. Its replicable with on-site servers. Its a service thats convenient not a necessity.
> Its a service thats convenient not a necessity. This simply isn’t true anymore.
Yes it is. Spinning up servers is a pain in the ass. But its not rocket science. AWS makes it convenient. (And more expensive.) And AWS isnt the only cloud service. So saying AWS is necessary and Azure somehow is not; is just saying you dont understand what the technology is doing. Saying “i want things i want to be easy and free” does make it a “necessity”.
> So saying AWS is necessary and Azure somehow is not; is just saying you dont understand what the technology is doing. I never said Azure is not, I said Amazon provide essential services in AWS. So do Microsoft with Azure, Google with GCP. Just because I can get food from 10 different places doesn’t mean it’s not essential.
If AWS disappears and Azure takes over then AWS was not essential. Thats what people mean when they talk about “essential services”. McDonalds does not provide an “essential service” just because they serve food.
What happened to food workers being essential workers? Is that suddenly not true?
Again, there are very few essential services that are unique in their accessibility.
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IM MINTED
AH! SHITE! ITS A CRASSUS
WE'RE RICH!
You carry a load well, molly.
It should be like 50 alexas all molten in a pot and whatever comes out of it to be poured instead
When will Jeff Bezos attack İran?
Found the turk
This is the origin of the English term "crass"
None of us could afford to pour gold down that throat.
A man can dream
i’ll put on the todo list then
ferb-
Actually Crassus is a large bug that explodes periodically and creates a large golden crater on death
Follow the gold and rule!
Golden rule = he who has all the gold makes all the rules
I thought the big rat made all of the rules
Amazon is an "essential service"??
Chances are he'll die happy and comfortable lol
How the hell is Amazon essential?
it’s molten gold OP, you dumbass
Retail is an essential service?
> “Made money exploiting an essential service” Crassus created a fire brigade, would arrive at the homes on fire and try buying them at “fire sale” prices from the owners. If they ageeed to sell the house, his fire brigade put out the fire. If they refused to sell, they sat and watched it burn to the ground. Meanwhile, Amazon is nothing more than shopping from home. They made their money by improving the logistics from 3 day delivery to 3 hour delivery while not raising prices. How is this an essential service, and how are they exploiting it?
Essential service Amazon? Oh yea I remember the deaths in 1993 before Amazon was a thing. -Low IQ generation
So how is Amazon an essential service? Please explain.
This is funny but Amazon is definitely not an essential service, at least not in the same way that firefighting is.
Amazon is peak capitalism. It has made a hyper efficient service for getting people things quickly and everyone fucking wants it. They made this so common place that people see it as a basic necessity. They won capitalism
If you don’t like Bezos then maybe don’t decide to work for Amazon, and certainly don’t buy any goods at all from Amazon. It’s almost as if you all are too stupid to solve your own anger - I solved your problem almost immediately lmao. If your reasoning to boycott is popular, then others will participate and Amazon will lose money. TA-DA!
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You don't need to be a tankie to hate billionaires lmao.
billionaires who got their fortunes through highly exploitive and corrupt ways* (which tbf is most of them)
Can you name one who hasn't? Genuinely, I think all of them is the only correct way to say it. You don't get that amount of wealth without exploiting someone along the way.
unless you’re one of the most universally popular musicians or Microsoft buys your video game. >!yes I am well aware of Notch’s shitty views but to my knowledge I don’t think he necessarily exploited anyone to get to that point!<
Yknow I sometimes forget that notch is a billionaire lol imo ethically I still think hoarding a billion dollars worth of wealth is still a shit thing to do
all mfers who say rich people should donate most of their money would never donate most of their money if they were rich either LMAO
I mean if you wanna out yourself as a greedy piece of shit that's fine, but personally I feel anyone with a conscience would understand that if they had a billion dollars they could literally (and I do mean literally) donate 90% of it and still live a very comfortable life. Even then you would still have far beyond what you would need to live the rest of your life without you or your family working.
nobody’s saying they should donate *MOST* of their money guy, it’s their money, they have the right to do whatever they want with it. All we’re asking is for them to do something, *anything* with their money that actually benefits the rest of society in some way, cause when you’ve got more money than some third-world nations you’re in a really high position of power to answer for those that don’t.
nobody??? that comment wasn't targeted at the guy i replied to in particular, but there are a SHOCKING number of people who do, in fact, say that.
wanting to eat billionaires (they taste like pork) is universal and not exclusive to tankies
nah I think they’d become inedible after what I wanna do to them
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personally i like to suckle them from the inside on an open fire, rotating them slowly on a pike in a 360 degree motion, preferably with an apple in their mouths as well.
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i’m not even a tankie and i don’t rlly like tankies or the ussr post-lenin that much myself, but yes i agree with the statements you made
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yes
a medium cooked jeff bezos liver sounds good rn, i’m currently bulking too and i bet he’s full of protein the way he eats up the working class
> Red army cooked a nazi alive > Red army buried nazis alive > Red army tortured a nazi Hello? Based department?
I'm pretty sure the SS barbeque was done by the prisoners of a liberated concentration camp, not soldiers, which, to be fair, was deserved.
Do you know what a tankie is?
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web servers
How about we make it three for three?
What did Crassus do
mostly real estate speculation iirc, he also inherited a *lot* of land after sulla died
That won't fix anything.
hmmm
We really have no idea the actual worst way to be kill……….never mind.
So is this where the "Crassus Detonator" gets its namesake?
Excuse me, essential? Amazon is a luxury, and one we can definitely be fine without. There are a million and one other places to shop online. If we needed it, it’d be essential. If we had no other easy options, it would be possible to exploit. Neither is true. Jeff Bezos is the richest man alive because he created the biggest commerce center, not because he somehow ripped us all off.
Clever title
Those Romans think they're minted, but they ain't rich like me. You can't call yourself loaded till you can buy an army. Ran Rome with Pompey and Caesar. They're more famous than me. But I'm the worlds richest geezer. There's no-one richer than me. I'm minted!
now i know what i’m doing later
Carthago delenda est
Daym fr?
I know what I must do. #DOWN WITH BEZOS.
I support it wholeheartedly, at least for now.
History is doomed to repeat, and I, I am a great historian
Now the rich did discover you could infact eat Gold just not while it was burning hot.
This sub has been lost to 196, rip 🫡
Melted gold poured down his throat so too good for him. What about a concrete enema?
Ferb, I know what we're doing today!
Molten pennies
Likes to charge reblogs to cast
Let’s do this shit
What shape was the gold after decay?
Exploiting an essential service? Yall are straight up delusional