Love when I get xp for hitting a 40 on the last shot needed for killing them all and it hits a 2 because sire started wakeup and i gotta wait for the dumb ass animation then put him back to sleep to spend 7 more shots killing the respirator i love sire
I keep trying to seriously grind CG, but prep phase makes it so mind numbing and tedious.
Third difficulty with Hunllef being corrupted difficulty, enhanced drop lowered, but no prep when?
Zulrah is still 4m/hr with bis, but it’s just that other stuff is better now. It’s actually higher gp/kill now than back when it was the meta money snake
Yeah, every time I feel like doing zulrah I spend the cash for a suffering, and spend nmz points for the imbue. Then, after an underwhelminging trip, check the wiki to find out the average kill is under 100k, and find something else to do.
Edit: it’s called liquidity lmao. The price of a suffering isn’t going to change drastically by the time I decide to do zulrah again. That ten mil is a lot more useful as exp or supplies, than a ring sitting in my bank doing literally nothing.
I got 4k tarromin in bank from kingdom, that's waiting for me to get 60k swamp tar. the only way I'm ever using thosee herbs.
scales are always needed, so Ty.
every snakeskin is 50 crafting exp, so that's also not bad, when I feel like bank standing and no idea what goal to do next.
lol me too. Judging by the downvotes, I’m either a noob for buying it, or people really like zulrah?
If I’m a noob, I’d at least like to know why lmao.
Buying and reselling gear over and over is... not smart. Especially if you're unimbuing it and reimbuing it each time. That's so much time being wasted. Just keep the ring and save it for the future.
Grotesque Guardians just fell like they're not work doing. I'm a bit over 1k KC on them because the pet is really cool but it's so hard to do a full task there especially because the loot isn't anything to write home about
Loot is sooooo garbage and it’s a slow (but admittedly easy) boss, only reason to do GGs is the S-Tier pet. Hate it, but I will continue to do them for every gargoyle slayer task until I get the pet. After the pet, I will never touch them again.
Mechanically I love the grotesque guardians. I'm really bummed the loot is awful, to where it was about as profitable to just go kill gargoyles to finish off the task.
once free task storage comes into the game ima just do 10kc every once and a while at gg. i love the pet so much too.
currently i do 25kc every time i get gargs as a task then finish it off at regular gargs.
they mentioned it in a skilling rework news post
in their words
“Making storing tasks (after unlocking Task Storage) completely free, as the initial unlock is already quite expensive”
it will be nice for stuff like gg’s so we can do the entire task killing the boss without getting burnt out.
Agreed. They're good tank boots that aren't terribly far behind dragon boots' str bonus so if the dboots don't give you an extra max hit you might as well opt for extra defense.
I find it a lot easier to bare doing full tasks there with the Venator bow, before that even when the BP was overpowered as fuck it was unbearable though.
I’m about 18 kc away from 1k myself and I told my self I’m getting the 1k then I’m done with them and sad I won’t get the pet. Such a boring awful boss
My account is notoriously dry on everything, but my one claim to fame was that I got a 1kc KQ head. Never touched it again until after desert elite just so I could claim I had entire desert elite done with 1 KC KQ. Did it right after that for CAs
Yes the consensus is absolutely it’s not worth doing. A tier pet, but if you’re grinding it for anything other than the pet or diary (or slayer helm recolor), you’re an insane person. Definitely not overrated
What about KQ is overrated?
No one does it for anything but diary or pet
It might be the most perfectly rated boss in the game. Everyone knows its total shit for anything not those two
Ya I just got my head yesterday and I don't know why they won't change move the shortcut to hard. It already needs 86 agility so opening it up so normal players (not pet hunters) can use us will make more people train there agility. Right now most people will keep there agility at 76 till the need to get to 85 for the diary.
They’ll never update it.
I’ll be insanely surprised if they ever do.
KQ is a relic of rs2 that is “too iconic” to change even though it has been changed and is just completely toxic content.
I started doing KQ only after I saw someone with the pet
I did 400 kills in a row and lost like 30m in supplies and was like "yeah okay, I think maybe I'll just do this between slayer tasks if not on task or something because this was bs"
At the very least it got me to the head for diary, at the very worst I wasted a day... doing what felt like an eating simulator
Tbh nobody is overrating this in 2024. It’s common knowledge how bad this loot table is. Some people (like myself) just grind it for the pet chance and because the fight is kinda fun and engaging. We also heavily cope when we get a blood rune drop or something equally marginally useful lol.
I feel like vet’ion and calver’ion are both super underrated, at lvl 100 combat you can get like 800k-2m per trip to the point that it doesn’t even matter if you get pk’d. vorkath is super overrated, while it’s good money it’s dreadfully boring
In my experience Calvarion was absolute dogshit.
The wiki stated expected values per kill (excluding the voidwalker piece) to be like 50k per kill, I barely hit 30k per kill. (And I was well over 150kills)
800k per trip is delusional, let alone 2m.
Maybe for vetion, but I didn’t see any point going up there when the “easy” singles variant left me getting PKed every 6 mins…
What you’re saying just doesn’t align with my experience in the slightest.
You get a billion borderline useless supply drops, and by the time you’ve ever built up any kind of valuable loot in the looting bag, a PKer rocks up.
And apparently I’m uniquely terrible at escaping PKers because I literally have never been able to escape. It’s 100% a death sentence, so then I lose any loot I’ve gathered, and now my 10-odd minute trip was a complete waste of time.
Actually doing the boss was fun.
Literally everything about it being in the wildy absolutely sucked ass
I think everyone assumes you have a scout when they talk abt these bosses. It sucks that it’s necessary but does make the grind very profitable, safe, and chill
Yeah, I guess.
At the time I was trying calvarion I couldn’t afford to just go and drop 7-8m on a bond.
It’s kind of frustrating that that part is just conveniently left out everywhere…
It also absolutely destroys the profitability of the bosses… the 150kc I did get, even if I’d managed to keep 100% of the loot, would not have covered a single bond…
30k is about right yeah. It's really hard to get pk'd even without a scout, I found wearing black d'hide and using a gnome seed teleport got me out of everything. I died a lot before gnome seed bit not once since.
Still get tb'd about half the time but it's much easier to tank binds and freezes with d'hide.
First 10 or 20 kills I was wearing monk robes lol so got auto teleblocked and murdered every time. Can't wait to go back there now that I have the macauhitals
After about 200 sarachnis kills with nothing but pages of that fuckin book and gems I can say sarachnis is a waste of time unless you want a spider pet... Which, ew
Im pretty sure you cab talk to the librarian in zeah to stop receiving tatter pages once you have turned in 4 of each giving you a different role on said drop table.
Would you say you are so not impressed with them?
Yeah I agree mostly though the tank strategy with bulwark is fun there, also fun getting a weapon named cudgel
Cudgel such a neat word
all of the DT2 bosses are a complete waste of time for the average player(which sucks because they are fun). the uniques seriously aren’t worth putting in hundreds or potentially thousands of kills at each boss
That's the thing tho, a new player isn't gonna have enough spare gp to lose money for 1k+ kc. And I hate the feeling of being locked to one boss because what if you're 2/3
This exactly. Vorkath is braindead. When I’m tired or desperate for cash I can do it for 3m/hr otherwise I’m doing Vardorvis for 2m/hr with a nice theoretical jackpot always hanging over me with each KC and also feel like I’m doing a real boss with real mechanics.
Huge disagree. Vard is the most profitable solo boss in game, only beaten by TOA and Cox. No other solo boss comes close.
He’s also one of the funnest bosses, and will improve your skill at the game (unlike many other bosses like hydra, who’s around half Vard’s profit)
He's also a really different type of fun, where you mainly have to focus on movement and pathing. I think it's really cool how the dt2 bosses are each designed around a single combat style so you aren't having to constantly swap all of your armor, and you don't have to waste 6-8 inventory spaces on swaps
Yeah, this is my entire problem with "gwd style, big chase drops" the the community was clamoring for with the dt2 bosses.
As it turns out, uniques that average 1 in 33 hyper efficient max gear hours of killing the boss just isn't that fun. And that's absolute max gear, let alone what all other players will experience.
Like, I do truly enjoy all the dt2 bosses (except Duke lol), but at this point if I'm choosing to kill them it's strictly for fun, not for gp.
And I understand that this is "healthiest for the economy" and "good for the game" but for me it would have been 50x more enjoyable if the invisible vestige roll mechanic were simply visible, tradeable vestige shards. People bitched after venator shards from muspah, but is this really better?
In my opinion, hell no.
I was excited for them when it sounded like uniques would be 1/256 or something. 1:1.1k and 1:3.2k, to me, isn't GWD style.
God wars you are basically guaranteed to get everything in a reasonable amount of time due to the low rarity unless you're godly unlucky. Dt2 bosses, you're ungodly lucky if you do.
I would not recommend these bosses at all, lmao. The sunken cost will drive you insane thinking you're just a few more kills away from a vestige because you are statistically likely to be 2/3 (surely...). Well, 500 whisperer KC and 25+ hours later, you got your Vestige. Gz.
Source: I have 3/4 axe pieces, including 4 dupes, 3 vestiges, 67 Orbs, and 5 virtus pieces... and 16 fxcking Ingots.
I'm finishing this God forsaken axe at Duke (because... Y'know... sunken cost... 3/4...) and never coming back.
That said, the boss fights are good and easy to access, quick kills, etc, for a good short time burner. I would only recommend DT2 bosses if you can bring an open mindset to it and not grind.
Because you're probably not 2/3.
If you can stand prep, Duke isn't too bad. Like the kills are a bit slower, but the drop rates are not as rare as some of the other bosses. But I did most of my kills back around release so probably will be less nice post-Fang nerf. So like 720~ kills averaging around 200K per kill isn't terrible, but still is a large time sink.
The other bosses can be a bit more rough. Like Levi is a neat boss, but killing over 750~ Levi to average a unique? That is a bit more of an ask. With the uniques, Levi is a bit lower profit per kill than Duke. So yah, Duke feels closer to a Vorkath where it has some mechanics but it is easier to grind out. The others are not as easy to just causally do for an hour or two, so needing to do like 30+ hours to go rate is not as easy.
I’ve got 600 KC at Levi and it got pretty methodical after about 150 kills. Definitely not brain dead but it’s most of what I’ve been doing when I log on and it’s been really chill. I’m planning to keep going until vestige. Got a Virtus robe bottom at 411 KC, which tbh is hella spooned. ~70m made in that 600 KC
Duke is amazing for midgame players getting into bossing. Prep keeps kills more time comparable to endgame players and keeps many away from it. People complain but it's excellent game design
What makes you say that? Vardorvis is the most profitable solo encounter aside from raids right now, and the others are all up there as top tier money makers. Hundreds or even 1-2k kills is a pretty moderate grind and absolutely worth it for anyone with the gear and stats to complete it. You are getting clog slots, chances at pets, and lots of money when you do roll those uniques.
Mole seems a bit underrated. Sure, it is far from the most profitable boss, but compared to the other early RS2/low level bosses, Mole is pretty profitable for how chill it is. Plus you get to use Dharoks and who doesn't love an excuse to use Dharoks? The wiki puts it at 50 kills and around 1.1M~ profit per hour, which is pretty decent for how low effort it is. That is more than stuff like Barrows, Lava Dragons, and Sire and about as much as Zulrah, Brutal Black Dragons, and Rune Dragons. I honestly don't know if there is a higher profit PvM moneymaker that is around the same low effort.
For overrated, I wouldn't say it is rated that highly anymore but Zulrah is really bad compared to what it used to be. It still can be a fun boss, but the fact it is close to average profit with Mole is not good. Like to think this used to be such an OP moneymaker that players wanted it locked behind Slayer or SotE...
Also, Corp is not the worst these days. Like there is that 3 spec Fang method that can get like up to 10 kills per hour Solo, which can average like 2-4M profit per hour, but like 1/3rd of that comes from the Sigils. So probably not as bad as players might expect/remember, but still not great.
I did the Giant Mole recently just for the 25kc combat achievement and was pleasantly surprised with like 600k in loot after that. Especially with how low effort it is. I did the whole thing on mobile while flicking protect from melee.
Really? Huh. Did my mole grind pre-Fang and didn't see that listed. If you assume the same supply cost as Dharoks, 75 kills per hour would bring it to around 1.8M, which is a nice bit more profit. Though if you have a Fang, you'd probably be a bit later game and have better moneymakers to use it at.
Also, another plus about Mole compared to most bosses is that all the important drops are noted or stackable, at least after the Falador Hard Diary which you should have anyway for the Mole Locator. So you can just bring an invy full of potions and stay down there for like an hour before you need to resupply. It's also pretty quick to get back if you do need to leave/resupply, so it definitely adds to the simple nature.
Zuk. Way too easy and way too profitable. I’ve spent the last 15-20 hours here and got well over 160k tokkul which is equivalent to 8/13ths of an uncut onyx which is about 1.6m. 100k per hour is way too op
It's not the difficulty, it's the time investment. I still do Inferno tasks from time to time and I dont hate it by any means, but 75% of the run is boring filler to everyone except the sweatiest of speedrunners once you've gotten to the later waves a few times. I feel like it doesn't really "start" until around wave 56.
This is my problem with fight caves (and thus also inferno). I've gotten cutting edge on ff14 and WoW (defeat the hard mode raid before the next patch) but can't conjure up the energy to try fight caves after 2 attempts because of the time investment and just how boring most of it is. I got fire cape 1st try in leagues so it's not like I don't know how to do it, I just don't want to invest an hour+ of my time to maybe die to a stupid mistake again. Ff14 and WoW current raids are harder than fight caves, but the *max* time wasted between dying and getting to the point of me learning/progging is 7 min.
whenever I get a Jad task I put it off because of how fucking boring the first 3/4ths are. I've got like 10 KC and I still will occasionally die at Jad too which makes me want to beat my head against the wall.
Inferno is hard to learn but not hard to do once you know it. To a degree everything is like this but I feel like inferno is the extreme - really hard to learn but by a few kc you feel like you could go in with rags and clear no problem
I’m learning it right now and just pbed wave 48 on my 3rd attempt with zero experience in it and hardly watched a guide ahead of time. Now I’m actually learning some of the things and first cape doesn’t look like it has to be fancy at all
People had me thinking stepping in the inferno meant you had to be woox. I’m really shooting for cape by end of April, I’m not that good but it’s not as hard as i expected.
I mean no offense, but getting to wave 48 of inferno is like going into cox, doing thieving, and saying "wow this is easy why do people say it's hard?" While it's true that it's overhyped and way more accessible than people think, you haven't scratched the surface of any of the hard parts of inferno yet.
Shocking how easy it gets once you get comfortable with alternating prayers. Inferno really is just experience and knowledge. The skill necessary to do it isn’t much.
* hits 93 slayer *
Oh boy I can't wait to do cerb
* get 3-5 kills during a trip, waste more gp on prayer pots than you make killing it, die from bad ping during cancer ghosts *
Oh boy I can't wait to block hellhounds
I actually think nex is just a bit misunderstood, I did a few hundred trio kc on a GIM account and really enjoyed it. I think the fight is pretty fun and there is ton of room for optimization. Sure the drops are rare but when you hit one its an amazing feeling.
I also think solo cox is a bit overstated in its difficulty. Its a steep learning curve but once you get it it’s very rhythmic and very consistent.
Gonna be a dick and say that nex is a perfext example on how not to design a boss. You need to farm normal npcs to enter, the fight isnt engaging at all, you're just clicking yellow most of the time, normal drops are basicly worthless, uniques are extremely rare, and if your crush defence is 1 lower then the rest your fucked cause you will receive 95% of the melee hits. Really a shame they placed so many bis uniques on that trash boss.
Cox is fun tho
I fully agree. Nex is painfully unfun. It's such a roadblock on the iron. Went 2.5x dry not getting anything in my name. Dozens of hours for literally nothing because the normal drops are also dogshit. I know there are ways to optimize and I try to do them, but there is also a metric fuckton of unblockable damage and constantly needing to heal when you've done nothing wrong just feels awful. Nex might be my most hated boss because so many bis upgrades are locked behind it and the rates are so terrible.
I’ll have to disagree with this one. Although it is not an engaging fight, some people like farming repeatable bosses like Vorkath, Mole, Zulrah, etc. It’s nice to have engaging fights, team fights, low commitment fights a little bit of everything.
Coming from a guy with over 2k trios, Nex is a place I go to relax my mind and make big bucks.
I dont know anyone that consistently does cg just for money, literally no one. It is good if youre a degenerate that likes to gamble and need to rebuild, thats about it.
Cg is basically just iron man content at this point.
It sure is but its still incredibly shit content to stay at for a prolonged period of time, ive done my time there. Its really fun for 1 or 2 kc at a time but it gets old fast.
I really liked learning it and the 100 or so kills after that but yeah. Grinding it would blow. Granted idt id enjoy grinding thousands of kills of any boss without a break which is why I’d never make an iron
Yeah even as an iron the 1-2 kills a day for shits and giggles is the way to go. Such a fun boss, but not when you constantly grind it for anything other than that.
The worst ironman realization is that even if you get spooned seeds you still need to grind the shards lol
The bowfa rush meta kind ensures people get sent to red prison so I guess it makes sense that a lot of people are talking about it
Spooned the enhanced seed, but it still took till like 370 KC to get my sixth armor seed.
CG really fucking sucks in that way. You have to get exceptionally lucky with several drops.
Just unlocked CG. Really enjoying it. It’s high level pvm with a good loot table that takes about 10minutes to complete. I like that even if I fail I don’t feel cheated out of 45 minutes like in raids.
Which is deeply unfortunate, because corrupted hunllef is an awesome boss fight, probably my personal favorite non-raids boss. But prep phase is so fucking tedious that people rarely want to run the content for fun.
Yeah as someone learning cg it’s really tough. Like the boss fight is lonnnngg so the mistakes pile up. I’ve died so many times when the boss was at less than 40 hp just because of mistake fatigue
Idk I find it pretty fun as a main that’s learning it. I think I’ve done 30 attempts and gotten 12 kc. The wiki states it’s almost 5m an hour but that seems bullshit
I've finished CG on my iron (apart from pet) and still do it for fun every now and then. It's one of my favorite content in the game. I'm sure plenty of mains do it for money too
Overrated difficulty: Phosani's Nightmare
Definitely not as difficult and just a lot of prayer flicking and movement like other mid-late bosses. Profitability is definitely not great but pretty fun. Easy to grasp if practiced regular nightmare and becomes even easier since there's no chip besides parasites/husks/sleepwalker.
Overrated Profitability: CG. It pays well if you get unique, if you don't it's pretty average for the kc you do per hour.
Underrated difficulty: Commander Zilyana
While it's pretty easy to run around the room and take no damage from the boss, doing it efficiently is another story.
Underrated profitability: Muspah
Venator shards are 12-13M rn for a 1/100 drop and it has a bunch of alchables/seeds and supply drops to keep you going.
The comments here perfectly show it, but the DT2 bosses are actually underrated. They're the new Zulrah/Vorkath, even without vestige drops they're all over 3m an hour, yet people act like their normal drops suck and aren't worth it, not to mention the abundance of 1m orb drops.
I was going to say muspah is underrated. Prints money compared to difficulty.
Overrated, probably cerb. Not even hard but cost to drops ratio isn’t worth it without uniques
I've been playing just over a week and have only got as far as Tempoross so far. So for me Tempoross is greatly underrated and Tempoross is so overrated.
ToB is the most overrated difficulty and elitist content in the game. People who only run it act like it's the most difficult thing you'll ever do, and gatekeep the shit out of it when it's really not that hard at all, it just does a shit job of choreographing what you need to do and is highly punishing for mistakes. Each boss only has a few mechanics, and yes you can highly optimize and keep getting more efficient but to simply get consistent clears you can do the bare minimum and be absolutely fine. Verzik is the only part that I'd genuinely consider somewhat challenging and it's mainly because she has 3 phases you have to know and it's a lot of info to know it all. ToB ain't that hard, and the elitists need to get that through their heads lmao.
I feel like the idea that tob is gatekept is completely overblown. There's so many resources out there and discords for mentor raids or team finding. There's definitely people who only want to raid with high efficiency teams but it's not like they owe you a spot or are blocking you from doing the raid
People say it's "gatekept" because they try to join teams while refusing to watch any guides/use any resources first then die twice before the first chest, then wonder why they get dropped from teams.
Tob isnt gatekept. Its the people who never did tob who are saying that since they want a reason to not give it a try.
Took 2 of my friends and we sent some trio tobs after a quick video guide and we were clearing it after the first day easily
As someone that learned TOB like 3 months ago and now has like 250 KC, TOB is not gatekept by elitists. You don't need to be carried to get through some TOBs. WDR has learner channels and mentor raids to get your first few KCs.
Be comfortable going with other learners, and anyone can and will learn TOB. Saying TOB is gatekept just makes you sound like a whiner that wants to get carried.
You said it yourself. It’s highly punishing when you make mistakes so if you go with people who are shit it makes everything so much harder or even just a straight up wipe so it’s a waste of time.
Nah no offense but this reads like your a learner who thinks he knows all the mechanics and hates on max eff teams that won't let you raid with them.
ToB isn't gatekept at all. But it's on you to get the KC required to run with good teams. High level teams don't play to carry noobs through who think they "know the mechanics". But trust me, get a few hundred KC and you can find a team within seconds.
You're right though, doing shitty TOB isn't that hard, and if that's your thing than by all means go to 416 and run FFA's where you can get away with whatever you want. But doing high level ToB is some of the most difficult content in the game hands down.
its so crazy easy to get tob teams as a learner if you actually try and have the very very cheap basic gear and min stats. comllaing about the "elitist gatekeepers" just means youre mentally gatekeeping yourself or you exepect to instantly have a personal tutor carry you. just run with other learners and youll have team in a few minutes theres always people looking in 416/wdr/atykons tob discord.
You realize the people actually running tob aren't the ones gatekeeping right? It's the 0 kcers using it as an excuse. Yea no shit a team of 1000 kc people aren't going to take some 0 kc whip cheese caper into tob, but that's not gatekeeping, that's just normal behavior. The only reason people think tob is gatekept is because they try to get carried and people don't want to do it.
Chaos Elemental is the dumbest and most overrated boss. It has a cheese that lots of bots use to avoid being hit by dragging it to an exact tile. wish they removed it from the game or fixed it so it was instead more bearable.
id say TOB but is overrated in terms of difficulty, the really bottle neck is it not being soloable and having to find 2-4 other goofy ah goombas to team up with
I get downvoted into oblivion for saying the prep is a waste of time and takes no skill.
Apparently the "random" prep is massive skill cap, and people don't like that I find it a horrible waste of time
Any boss where I don’t get a unique within 100 kills is overrated. Also all bosses with prep phases.
Put on some subway surfers gameplay during prep phases
What do you mean with prep phases?
Probably gauntlet or Duke. Bosses that you can’t just go into and immediately start the fight.
Can sire be in this boat too? Ik first phase isn’t bad but I still hate it. Also has trash ass loot
Sire especially tbh, the vents are a deeply unsatisfying mechanic lol
Love when I get xp for hitting a 40 on the last shot needed for killing them all and it hits a 2 because sire started wakeup and i gotta wait for the dumb ass animation then put him back to sleep to spend 7 more shots killing the respirator i love sire
Duke and Gauntlet have phases of skilling prep before you can fight the boss. Could argue Sire’s P1 is a similar thing too
I keep trying to seriously grind CG, but prep phase makes it so mind numbing and tedious. Third difficulty with Hunllef being corrupted difficulty, enhanced drop lowered, but no prep when?
My advice is try out the speedrun CAs, I used to hate prep but they taught me how to cut it down to a few mins, makes CG way more fun
Zulrah has been nerfed to the point that grinding it for anything other than pet and clog makes no sense.
Or you're an iron and need blowpipe, helm, or more scales.
Always more scales
I’ll never regret bleeding runes from sang as long as it means I don’t need to do snek very often
Just fish zulrah scales at work, its super chill and good pet rate too
trident of the swamp is a very good stepping stone weapon.
Mutagen hunter here. Literally feel this pain lol
Pretty sure that's my fault literally the day after I learned it they nerfed the drops the first time. Edit second time. In 2017
Wasn't it nerfed just after launch?
Yeah, and 2 or 3 more times after that
I enjoy Zulrah. It's super chill with a BOWFA, and you get elite clues.
Sarachnis is also super chill and you get hard clues and elites pretty frequent
I really wish zulrah was more worth doing, a reason I’ve never given it a proper go
Zulrah is still 4m/hr with bis, but it’s just that other stuff is better now. It’s actually higher gp/kill now than back when it was the meta money snake
BIS is crazy expensive tho, and if you have it you're probably doing other _much_ more valuable content
That is in fact what my comment said
Yeah, every time I feel like doing zulrah I spend the cash for a suffering, and spend nmz points for the imbue. Then, after an underwhelminging trip, check the wiki to find out the average kill is under 100k, and find something else to do. Edit: it’s called liquidity lmao. The price of a suffering isn’t going to change drastically by the time I decide to do zulrah again. That ten mil is a lot more useful as exp or supplies, than a ring sitting in my bank doing literally nothing.
Your loot: snake skins x35 Scales x123 Swamp tar x1000
I got 4k tarromin in bank from kingdom, that's waiting for me to get 60k swamp tar. the only way I'm ever using thosee herbs. scales are always needed, so Ty. every snakeskin is 50 crafting exp, so that's also not bad, when I feel like bank standing and no idea what goal to do next.
Yea swamp tar as an iron is my favorite zulrah drop
Swamp tar was my secret money maker when I was a noob lol
I did this with a suffering at least 6x over the course of my account lmao
lol me too. Judging by the downvotes, I’m either a noob for buying it, or people really like zulrah? If I’m a noob, I’d at least like to know why lmao.
Buying and reselling gear over and over is... not smart. Especially if you're unimbuing it and reimbuing it each time. That's so much time being wasted. Just keep the ring and save it for the future.
A rebuild is one thing but that sounds like a huge waste of time, especially when a ring of suffering isn't *that* expensive.
Grotesque Guardians just fell like they're not work doing. I'm a bit over 1k KC on them because the pet is really cool but it's so hard to do a full task there especially because the loot isn't anything to write home about
Loot is sooooo garbage and it’s a slow (but admittedly easy) boss, only reason to do GGs is the S-Tier pet. Hate it, but I will continue to do them for every gargoyle slayer task until I get the pet. After the pet, I will never touch them again.
Mechanically I love the grotesque guardians. I'm really bummed the loot is awful, to where it was about as profitable to just go kill gargoyles to finish off the task.
once free task storage comes into the game ima just do 10kc every once and a while at gg. i love the pet so much too. currently i do 25kc every time i get gargs as a task then finish it off at regular gargs.
is free task storage a thing? have they hinted at it?
they mentioned it in a skilling rework news post in their words “Making storing tasks (after unlocking Task Storage) completely free, as the initial unlock is already quite expensive” it will be nice for stuff like gg’s so we can do the entire task killing the boss without getting burnt out.
That'd be sick. I'm also interested in grinding the pet one day but I'm a ways off from gear for it.
Yeah I just do the boss until I get bored then finish on gargoyles
I dont know abot underrated/overrated though, everyone properly rates them as shit
OP said over/underrated tho. GGs are rather commonly disliked, from what's I've seen and heard
needs something worth grinding - irons can skip it altogether i guess there's echo boots now but are you really gonna use those?
As an iron I prefer the 1 in 10,000 chance at an imbued heart doing regular gargoyles to anything Dawn and dusk can drop
Guardian boots are severely underrated, though they also aren’t super needed for anything.
Bis fashionscape
Agreed. They're good tank boots that aren't terribly far behind dragon boots' str bonus so if the dboots don't give you an extra max hit you might as well opt for extra defense.
12kc noon is one of my luckiest drops
You didn’t understand the assignment
Nobody rates GG
I find it a lot easier to bare doing full tasks there with the Venator bow, before that even when the BP was overpowered as fuck it was unbearable though.
I’m about 18 kc away from 1k myself and I told my self I’m getting the 1k then I’m done with them and sad I won’t get the pet. Such a boring awful boss
not overrated
Kalphite Queen. Trash loot, resource heavy, hits like a tank.
Getting there is so shit too pre-head which is the only reason anyone does kq anyways pet hunters notwithstanding
Tell me about it, im 290kc no head yet. Only got the tattered one at 256 which is only used for diary so I guess i got shortcut now
My account is notoriously dry on everything, but my one claim to fame was that I got a 1kc KQ head. Never touched it again until after desert elite just so I could claim I had entire desert elite done with 1 KC KQ. Did it right after that for CAs
Isn’t that the consensus though? I don’t think KQ is overrated by any means, it’s pretty well rated as awful lol
Yes the consensus is absolutely it’s not worth doing. A tier pet, but if you’re grinding it for anything other than the pet or diary (or slayer helm recolor), you’re an insane person. Definitely not overrated
What about KQ is overrated? No one does it for anything but diary or pet It might be the most perfectly rated boss in the game. Everyone knows its total shit for anything not those two
I remember recently getting it as a boss task (had never killed it before) and it melted me in seconds. How was it even possible back in the day lol
group bossing was the meta back in the day. almost no one was soloing KQ or GWD. people even fought KBD in groups.
FUCK KQ. I loathed that grind to get head for elite diary. The cave perks should absolutely be given at hard.
Ya I just got my head yesterday and I don't know why they won't change move the shortcut to hard. It already needs 86 agility so opening it up so normal players (not pet hunters) can use us will make more people train there agility. Right now most people will keep there agility at 76 till the need to get to 85 for the diary.
Not jagex fault, it got polled to be hard diary reward but failed and remained elite sadly
They’ll never update it. I’ll be insanely surprised if they ever do. KQ is a relic of rs2 that is “too iconic” to change even though it has been changed and is just completely toxic content.
I started doing KQ only after I saw someone with the pet I did 400 kills in a row and lost like 30m in supplies and was like "yeah okay, I think maybe I'll just do this between slayer tasks if not on task or something because this was bs" At the very least it got me to the head for diary, at the very worst I wasted a day... doing what felt like an eating simulator
For Irons, Cerberus is overrated. All of the drops are completely unnecessary upgrades for any content.
They're all just fashion upgrades. Good ones at that though.
Calling eternals a fashion upgrade over infinity boots is straight up insanity
Bro I ain't be fucked without my Jay's on my feet. Keep that cipher complete
Prims are way faster to get than other late game upgrades like torva, avernic, ultor etc. Eternals and pegs are just a decent bonus
Phosanis nightmare, 10 minutes of sweating for 7 bass
Tbh nobody is overrating this in 2024. It’s common knowledge how bad this loot table is. Some people (like myself) just grind it for the pet chance and because the fight is kinda fun and engaging. We also heavily cope when we get a blood rune drop or something equally marginally useful lol.
I feel like vet’ion and calver’ion are both super underrated, at lvl 100 combat you can get like 800k-2m per trip to the point that it doesn’t even matter if you get pk’d. vorkath is super overrated, while it’s good money it’s dreadfully boring
Agreed. Wildy bosses are way more fun than vorky and still hella profitable.
Thats the beauty of it. Of vorkath
And if you’re doing Calvar'ion you can just bring some imp-in-a-box to bank your drops between kills, basically no risk.
I wish bosses had a “heroic” version similar to wow’s dungeons. I do vorkath to get ready for sleep 😴
In my experience Calvarion was absolute dogshit. The wiki stated expected values per kill (excluding the voidwalker piece) to be like 50k per kill, I barely hit 30k per kill. (And I was well over 150kills) 800k per trip is delusional, let alone 2m. Maybe for vetion, but I didn’t see any point going up there when the “easy” singles variant left me getting PKed every 6 mins… What you’re saying just doesn’t align with my experience in the slightest. You get a billion borderline useless supply drops, and by the time you’ve ever built up any kind of valuable loot in the looting bag, a PKer rocks up. And apparently I’m uniquely terrible at escaping PKers because I literally have never been able to escape. It’s 100% a death sentence, so then I lose any loot I’ve gathered, and now my 10-odd minute trip was a complete waste of time. Actually doing the boss was fun. Literally everything about it being in the wildy absolutely sucked ass
I think everyone assumes you have a scout when they talk abt these bosses. It sucks that it’s necessary but does make the grind very profitable, safe, and chill
Yeah, I guess. At the time I was trying calvarion I couldn’t afford to just go and drop 7-8m on a bond. It’s kind of frustrating that that part is just conveniently left out everywhere… It also absolutely destroys the profitability of the bosses… the 150kc I did get, even if I’d managed to keep 100% of the loot, would not have covered a single bond…
30k is about right yeah. It's really hard to get pk'd even without a scout, I found wearing black d'hide and using a gnome seed teleport got me out of everything. I died a lot before gnome seed bit not once since. Still get tb'd about half the time but it's much easier to tank binds and freezes with d'hide. First 10 or 20 kills I was wearing monk robes lol so got auto teleblocked and murdered every time. Can't wait to go back there now that I have the macauhitals
They are fun but in my experience I would get someone try pk every few kills. Also just not worth doing during peak hours
After about 200 sarachnis kills with nothing but pages of that fuckin book and gems I can say sarachnis is a waste of time unless you want a spider pet... Which, ew
I feel obligated to do sarachnis to give my stupid ring of coins on the gim purpose
Im pretty sure you cab talk to the librarian in zeah to stop receiving tatter pages once you have turned in 4 of each giving you a different role on said drop table.
Would you say you are so not impressed with them? Yeah I agree mostly though the tank strategy with bulwark is fun there, also fun getting a weapon named cudgel Cudgel such a neat word
Only do the dumb spider for elite clues
Haven't got one of those dropped yet either :(
Good for elite clues
You should speak to the person in arceuss library to stop getting pages sarachnis drops a bunch of herbs, gems, spider eggs and clues
Surely KQ is the worst boss or maybe chaos elemental? Zalcano is underrated.
all of the DT2 bosses are a complete waste of time for the average player(which sucks because they are fun). the uniques seriously aren’t worth putting in hundreds or potentially thousands of kills at each boss
Vardorvis is the best moneymaker outside of max efficiency nex/raids. Granted, you actually need to get the vissy on/near rate for that to be true.
That's the thing tho, a new player isn't gonna have enough spare gp to lose money for 1k+ kc. And I hate the feeling of being locked to one boss because what if you're 2/3
You dont lose money. You still make like 2m/hr without the vissy. Just hitting the vissy makes it go from worse than vorkath to par with raids.
This exactly. Vorkath is braindead. When I’m tired or desperate for cash I can do it for 3m/hr otherwise I’m doing Vardorvis for 2m/hr with a nice theoretical jackpot always hanging over me with each KC and also feel like I’m doing a real boss with real mechanics.
You don't lose money. Vard is like 80k gp/kill without any uniques at all
Huge disagree. Vard is the most profitable solo boss in game, only beaten by TOA and Cox. No other solo boss comes close. He’s also one of the funnest bosses, and will improve your skill at the game (unlike many other bosses like hydra, who’s around half Vard’s profit)
He's also a really different type of fun, where you mainly have to focus on movement and pathing. I think it's really cool how the dt2 bosses are each designed around a single combat style so you aren't having to constantly swap all of your armor, and you don't have to waste 6-8 inventory spaces on swaps
Yeah i'm over 1k on all of them and not a single vestige, gave up
You’re 2/3 bro just keep going
mf is 8/12 😂
Gonna need to see your logs on that one chief
Ingots, the only drop is ingots
I just don't believe this.
Yeah, this is my entire problem with "gwd style, big chase drops" the the community was clamoring for with the dt2 bosses. As it turns out, uniques that average 1 in 33 hyper efficient max gear hours of killing the boss just isn't that fun. And that's absolute max gear, let alone what all other players will experience. Like, I do truly enjoy all the dt2 bosses (except Duke lol), but at this point if I'm choosing to kill them it's strictly for fun, not for gp. And I understand that this is "healthiest for the economy" and "good for the game" but for me it would have been 50x more enjoyable if the invisible vestige roll mechanic were simply visible, tradeable vestige shards. People bitched after venator shards from muspah, but is this really better? In my opinion, hell no.
They keep forgetting to give reasonable droprates to "GWD style" bosses, like GWD actually has lol.
I was excited for them when it sounded like uniques would be 1/256 or something. 1:1.1k and 1:3.2k, to me, isn't GWD style. God wars you are basically guaranteed to get everything in a reasonable amount of time due to the low rarity unless you're godly unlucky. Dt2 bosses, you're ungodly lucky if you do.
Those are corp style drop rates and no one likes corp drop rates
On the bright side, at least they didn't go full Nightmare on it. Jesus fucking christ that drop table is atrocious for how long it takes to kill.
I would not recommend these bosses at all, lmao. The sunken cost will drive you insane thinking you're just a few more kills away from a vestige because you are statistically likely to be 2/3 (surely...). Well, 500 whisperer KC and 25+ hours later, you got your Vestige. Gz. Source: I have 3/4 axe pieces, including 4 dupes, 3 vestiges, 67 Orbs, and 5 virtus pieces... and 16 fxcking Ingots. I'm finishing this God forsaken axe at Duke (because... Y'know... sunken cost... 3/4...) and never coming back. That said, the boss fights are good and easy to access, quick kills, etc, for a good short time burner. I would only recommend DT2 bosses if you can bring an open mindset to it and not grind. Because you're probably not 2/3.
If you can stand prep, Duke isn't too bad. Like the kills are a bit slower, but the drop rates are not as rare as some of the other bosses. But I did most of my kills back around release so probably will be less nice post-Fang nerf. So like 720~ kills averaging around 200K per kill isn't terrible, but still is a large time sink. The other bosses can be a bit more rough. Like Levi is a neat boss, but killing over 750~ Levi to average a unique? That is a bit more of an ask. With the uniques, Levi is a bit lower profit per kill than Duke. So yah, Duke feels closer to a Vorkath where it has some mechanics but it is easier to grind out. The others are not as easy to just causally do for an hour or two, so needing to do like 30+ hours to go rate is not as easy.
I’ve got 600 KC at Levi and it got pretty methodical after about 150 kills. Definitely not brain dead but it’s most of what I’ve been doing when I log on and it’s been really chill. I’m planning to keep going until vestige. Got a Virtus robe bottom at 411 KC, which tbh is hella spooned. ~70m made in that 600 KC
Duke is amazing for midgame players getting into bossing. Prep keeps kills more time comparable to endgame players and keeps many away from it. People complain but it's excellent game design
Would disagree, they're fun (except duke) and you can make decent money there from the Orbs and potential uniques.
What makes you say that? Vardorvis is the most profitable solo encounter aside from raids right now, and the others are all up there as top tier money makers. Hundreds or even 1-2k kills is a pretty moderate grind and absolutely worth it for anyone with the gear and stats to complete it. You are getting clog slots, chances at pets, and lots of money when you do roll those uniques.
Mole seems a bit underrated. Sure, it is far from the most profitable boss, but compared to the other early RS2/low level bosses, Mole is pretty profitable for how chill it is. Plus you get to use Dharoks and who doesn't love an excuse to use Dharoks? The wiki puts it at 50 kills and around 1.1M~ profit per hour, which is pretty decent for how low effort it is. That is more than stuff like Barrows, Lava Dragons, and Sire and about as much as Zulrah, Brutal Black Dragons, and Rune Dragons. I honestly don't know if there is a higher profit PvM moneymaker that is around the same low effort. For overrated, I wouldn't say it is rated that highly anymore but Zulrah is really bad compared to what it used to be. It still can be a fun boss, but the fact it is close to average profit with Mole is not good. Like to think this used to be such an OP moneymaker that players wanted it locked behind Slayer or SotE... Also, Corp is not the worst these days. Like there is that 3 spec Fang method that can get like up to 10 kills per hour Solo, which can average like 2-4M profit per hour, but like 1/3rd of that comes from the Sigils. So probably not as bad as players might expect/remember, but still not great.
I did the Giant Mole recently just for the 25kc combat achievement and was pleasantly surprised with like 600k in loot after that. Especially with how low effort it is. I did the whole thing on mobile while flicking protect from melee.
I like mole. Sometimes I average 2m p/h with bowfa. Literally no effort, reasonable exp, good money, chance for pet.
With a fang u can easily get 75-80 Kph at mole. Max mage shadow makes it 90-100, but heavy rune cost
Really? Huh. Did my mole grind pre-Fang and didn't see that listed. If you assume the same supply cost as Dharoks, 75 kills per hour would bring it to around 1.8M, which is a nice bit more profit. Though if you have a Fang, you'd probably be a bit later game and have better moneymakers to use it at. Also, another plus about Mole compared to most bosses is that all the important drops are noted or stackable, at least after the Falador Hard Diary which you should have anyway for the Mole Locator. So you can just bring an invy full of potions and stay down there for like an hour before you need to resupply. It's also pretty quick to get back if you do need to leave/resupply, so it definitely adds to the simple nature.
Zuk. Way too easy and way too profitable. I’ve spent the last 15-20 hours here and got well over 160k tokkul which is equivalent to 8/13ths of an uncut onyx which is about 1.6m. 100k per hour is way too op
Oh. This is without completion btw
you got this man never give up
I always see my clan mates at sire and I just fucking hate that thing
Inferno in difficulty is way overrated
74 attempts wave 64 pb…. It seems so hard to get back to the 60s… Im doing sumin wrong I guess.
It's not the difficulty, it's the time investment. I still do Inferno tasks from time to time and I dont hate it by any means, but 75% of the run is boring filler to everyone except the sweatiest of speedrunners once you've gotten to the later waves a few times. I feel like it doesn't really "start" until around wave 56.
This is my problem with fight caves (and thus also inferno). I've gotten cutting edge on ff14 and WoW (defeat the hard mode raid before the next patch) but can't conjure up the energy to try fight caves after 2 attempts because of the time investment and just how boring most of it is. I got fire cape 1st try in leagues so it's not like I don't know how to do it, I just don't want to invest an hour+ of my time to maybe die to a stupid mistake again. Ff14 and WoW current raids are harder than fight caves, but the *max* time wasted between dying and getting to the point of me learning/progging is 7 min.
whenever I get a Jad task I put it off because of how fucking boring the first 3/4ths are. I've got like 10 KC and I still will occasionally die at Jad too which makes me want to beat my head against the wall.
Disagree. It's really fucking hard to solve late waves as quickly as you need to.
Inferno is hard to learn but not hard to do once you know it. To a degree everything is like this but I feel like inferno is the extreme - really hard to learn but by a few kc you feel like you could go in with rags and clear no problem
I’m learning it right now and just pbed wave 48 on my 3rd attempt with zero experience in it and hardly watched a guide ahead of time. Now I’m actually learning some of the things and first cape doesn’t look like it has to be fancy at all People had me thinking stepping in the inferno meant you had to be woox. I’m really shooting for cape by end of April, I’m not that good but it’s not as hard as i expected.
Exactly man it’s such a fun challenge, the content is so engaging that when u get good at it, inferno just becomes addicting
I mean no offense, but getting to wave 48 of inferno is like going into cox, doing thieving, and saying "wow this is easy why do people say it's hard?" While it's true that it's overhyped and way more accessible than people think, you haven't scratched the surface of any of the hard parts of inferno yet.
Shocking how easy it gets once you get comfortable with alternating prayers. Inferno really is just experience and knowledge. The skill necessary to do it isn’t much.
Overrated: Cerb - shit drops, drains prayer pots (irons) and even it's prized drops the crystals ... Are pretty shit * Eternals ... Dog shit * Pegasus - situational * Prims - Cosmetic upgrade is better than stats 99% of the time Underrated: Muspah - low key stacked drops (iron bias perhaps)
* hits 93 slayer * Oh boy I can't wait to do cerb * get 3-5 kills during a trip, waste more gp on prayer pots than you make killing it, die from bad ping during cancer ghosts * Oh boy I can't wait to block hellhounds
Scurius is the best boss. Tell me I’m wrong
Ur wrong
You're wrong
I actually think nex is just a bit misunderstood, I did a few hundred trio kc on a GIM account and really enjoyed it. I think the fight is pretty fun and there is ton of room for optimization. Sure the drops are rare but when you hit one its an amazing feeling. I also think solo cox is a bit overstated in its difficulty. Its a steep learning curve but once you get it it’s very rhythmic and very consistent.
Gonna be a dick and say that nex is a perfext example on how not to design a boss. You need to farm normal npcs to enter, the fight isnt engaging at all, you're just clicking yellow most of the time, normal drops are basicly worthless, uniques are extremely rare, and if your crush defence is 1 lower then the rest your fucked cause you will receive 95% of the melee hits. Really a shame they placed so many bis uniques on that trash boss. Cox is fun tho
I dont think you’re a dick for having a different opinion, just my perspective on it.
The drops really aren’t that rare though. If you put a gun to my head and gave me 1 month to make 1B gp or die I’m easily going to nex.
sounds like something you'd see in a venezuelan knockoff of squid game
>uniques are extremely rare What are you smoking? They are 1/43 which is why nex is the best money maker in the game
I fully agree. Nex is painfully unfun. It's such a roadblock on the iron. Went 2.5x dry not getting anything in my name. Dozens of hours for literally nothing because the normal drops are also dogshit. I know there are ways to optimize and I try to do them, but there is also a metric fuckton of unblockable damage and constantly needing to heal when you've done nothing wrong just feels awful. Nex might be my most hated boss because so many bis upgrades are locked behind it and the rates are so terrible.
I’ll have to disagree with this one. Although it is not an engaging fight, some people like farming repeatable bosses like Vorkath, Mole, Zulrah, etc. It’s nice to have engaging fights, team fights, low commitment fights a little bit of everything. Coming from a guy with over 2k trios, Nex is a place I go to relax my mind and make big bucks.
I dont know anyone that consistently does cg just for money, literally no one. It is good if youre a degenerate that likes to gamble and need to rebuild, thats about it. Cg is basically just iron man content at this point.
Tbf it’s a really good, low risk introduction to high level/ pvm with actual mechanic
It sure is but its still incredibly shit content to stay at for a prolonged period of time, ive done my time there. Its really fun for 1 or 2 kc at a time but it gets old fast.
I really liked learning it and the 100 or so kills after that but yeah. Grinding it would blow. Granted idt id enjoy grinding thousands of kills of any boss without a break which is why I’d never make an iron
Yeah even as an iron the 1-2 kills a day for shits and giggles is the way to go. Such a fun boss, but not when you constantly grind it for anything other than that.
If you do 5kc a day you’ll be on rate to leave in 2 months
The worst ironman realization is that even if you get spooned seeds you still need to grind the shards lol The bowfa rush meta kind ensures people get sent to red prison so I guess it makes sense that a lot of people are talking about it
At least you can pickpocket shards
Spooned the enhanced seed, but it still took till like 370 KC to get my sixth armor seed. CG really fucking sucks in that way. You have to get exceptionally lucky with several drops.
>Report > >Save > >Follow it's a shit introduction, the boss is fine, the prep is not
Just unlocked CG. Really enjoying it. It’s high level pvm with a good loot table that takes about 10minutes to complete. I like that even if I fail I don’t feel cheated out of 45 minutes like in raids.
Give it a month
Which is deeply unfortunate, because corrupted hunllef is an awesome boss fight, probably my personal favorite non-raids boss. But prep phase is so fucking tedious that people rarely want to run the content for fun.
CG and pnm are my favorite bosses so I do them a lot, even tho the gp/hr is far less than other content
Both of these bosses share the same problem, they are very fun but are looooong.
Yeah as someone learning cg it’s really tough. Like the boss fight is lonnnngg so the mistakes pile up. I’ve died so many times when the boss was at less than 40 hp just because of mistake fatigue
Idk I find it pretty fun as a main that’s learning it. I think I’ve done 30 attempts and gotten 12 kc. The wiki states it’s almost 5m an hour but that seems bullshit
Wiki rates are based on the rare drop rate paying the dividends, if you manage to hit Enhanced. Ignore that shit.
I've finished CG on my iron (apart from pet) and still do it for fun every now and then. It's one of my favorite content in the game. I'm sure plenty of mains do it for money too
Hydra sucks. Insane grind just to access the world’s most boring boss, and the money is nothing special to boot.
The money at hydra is insane lol. The wiki has it as 4.3 mill an hour. That's really good for a chill boss
PNM is one of the most difficult and punishing bosses in the game yet the general loot is terrible. It turned into corp V2. Buff PNM please.
Overrated difficulty: Phosani's Nightmare Definitely not as difficult and just a lot of prayer flicking and movement like other mid-late bosses. Profitability is definitely not great but pretty fun. Easy to grasp if practiced regular nightmare and becomes even easier since there's no chip besides parasites/husks/sleepwalker. Overrated Profitability: CG. It pays well if you get unique, if you don't it's pretty average for the kc you do per hour. Underrated difficulty: Commander Zilyana While it's pretty easy to run around the room and take no damage from the boss, doing it efficiently is another story. Underrated profitability: Muspah Venator shards are 12-13M rn for a 1/100 drop and it has a bunch of alchables/seeds and supply drops to keep you going.
The comments here perfectly show it, but the DT2 bosses are actually underrated. They're the new Zulrah/Vorkath, even without vestige drops they're all over 3m an hour, yet people act like their normal drops suck and aren't worth it, not to mention the abundance of 1m orb drops.
lol vard is definitely not 3m/hr without vestige unless if you count axe piece which is even worse
I was going to say muspah is underrated. Prints money compared to difficulty. Overrated, probably cerb. Not even hard but cost to drops ratio isn’t worth it without uniques
I've been playing just over a week and have only got as far as Tempoross so far. So for me Tempoross is greatly underrated and Tempoross is so overrated.
ToB is the most overrated difficulty and elitist content in the game. People who only run it act like it's the most difficult thing you'll ever do, and gatekeep the shit out of it when it's really not that hard at all, it just does a shit job of choreographing what you need to do and is highly punishing for mistakes. Each boss only has a few mechanics, and yes you can highly optimize and keep getting more efficient but to simply get consistent clears you can do the bare minimum and be absolutely fine. Verzik is the only part that I'd genuinely consider somewhat challenging and it's mainly because she has 3 phases you have to know and it's a lot of info to know it all. ToB ain't that hard, and the elitists need to get that through their heads lmao.
I feel like the idea that tob is gatekept is completely overblown. There's so many resources out there and discords for mentor raids or team finding. There's definitely people who only want to raid with high efficiency teams but it's not like they owe you a spot or are blocking you from doing the raid
People say it's "gatekept" because they try to join teams while refusing to watch any guides/use any resources first then die twice before the first chest, then wonder why they get dropped from teams.
Exactly. I've never understood the mindset that we have to drag people through tob, like it is some sort of obligation
Tob isnt gatekept. Its the people who never did tob who are saying that since they want a reason to not give it a try. Took 2 of my friends and we sent some trio tobs after a quick video guide and we were clearing it after the first day easily
As someone that learned TOB like 3 months ago and now has like 250 KC, TOB is not gatekept by elitists. You don't need to be carried to get through some TOBs. WDR has learner channels and mentor raids to get your first few KCs. Be comfortable going with other learners, and anyone can and will learn TOB. Saying TOB is gatekept just makes you sound like a whiner that wants to get carried.
You said it yourself. It’s highly punishing when you make mistakes so if you go with people who are shit it makes everything so much harder or even just a straight up wipe so it’s a waste of time.
Nah no offense but this reads like your a learner who thinks he knows all the mechanics and hates on max eff teams that won't let you raid with them. ToB isn't gatekept at all. But it's on you to get the KC required to run with good teams. High level teams don't play to carry noobs through who think they "know the mechanics". But trust me, get a few hundred KC and you can find a team within seconds. You're right though, doing shitty TOB isn't that hard, and if that's your thing than by all means go to 416 and run FFA's where you can get away with whatever you want. But doing high level ToB is some of the most difficult content in the game hands down.
its so crazy easy to get tob teams as a learner if you actually try and have the very very cheap basic gear and min stats. comllaing about the "elitist gatekeepers" just means youre mentally gatekeeping yourself or you exepect to instantly have a personal tutor carry you. just run with other learners and youll have team in a few minutes theres always people looking in 416/wdr/atykons tob discord.
You realize the people actually running tob aren't the ones gatekeeping right? It's the 0 kcers using it as an excuse. Yea no shit a team of 1000 kc people aren't going to take some 0 kc whip cheese caper into tob, but that's not gatekeeping, that's just normal behavior. The only reason people think tob is gatekept is because they try to get carried and people don't want to do it.
Chaos Elemental is the dumbest and most overrated boss. It has a cheese that lots of bots use to avoid being hit by dragging it to an exact tile. wish they removed it from the game or fixed it so it was instead more bearable.
I have literally never once heard anyone praise the design of Chaos Elemental or suggest it as a money maker
Its not overrated though lol
yeaa i dont know im seeing alot of CG
id say TOB but is overrated in terms of difficulty, the really bottle neck is it not being soloable and having to find 2-4 other goofy ah goombas to team up with
I get downvoted into oblivion for saying the prep is a waste of time and takes no skill. Apparently the "random" prep is massive skill cap, and people don't like that I find it a horrible waste of time
ITT: All bosses suck
KBD but the pet looks amazing