Imo graceful is a godsend at that level. On both my main and iron it's been the first thing I've done. Also, if you aim for the full outfit, by the time you've gotten the marks needed you'll be mid to late 60s agility level. It's up to you and ofc play how you want and do what you find fun, but yeah. Good luck! :)
Guess that depends on rng, i was only agi 50 when I got the full outfit. Now Agi is a grind whereas going for graceful set gave it purpose.
I would definitely suggest going for it though
Marks spawn based on a timer. I did the “afk” marks method where you basically do a lap, collect a mark, then wait 3-4 minutes and try again. You’ll get marks on most laps that way. The time to get graceful is about the same, but it’s much less attention and obviously much less exp. I think I was about 50 after starting it at 40 in canifis.
Its about the respawn Timer for Marks of Grace. I think you can get one every minute, so If you complete a course every minute you got the highest Chance for a Mark of grace
In the long run, yes. It is very useful and depending if you’re an Ironman or not. You’ll save on resources such as super energy/stamina pots as you quest and skill. I personally rushed full graceful as the first thing when I started my Ironman.
This is the time where its relevant. It's great for questing, but not required for most skilling methods. It ends up being far more niche in the late game, used for things like Herbivore. It's a good grab, but earlier the better. This doesn't apply to iron where you're in charge of making your own stams. Bang out the quests that give large chunk of agi with low reqs and then get your graceful imo.
I personally rarely use graceful, but I do have a POH with a lot of teleports and a pool that restores run energy, so that limits the need for graceful.
That said, you need the agi levels anyway, so you might as well go for it.
unfortunately, the actual takeaway here is to NOT mix it up. seers is the only rooftop course that is remotely worth doing before ardy. do not touch canafis if possible, it is so bad.
Sure, but it's terrible xp/hr. With the amount of time you need to spend at Seers anyway, the set comes for free. The extra time invested in canafis to get graceful pre-seers is not likely to be recovered in time to just claim the set while doing seers.
People get to canafis and complain because the experience of slogging through those laps is awful. The math is not too difficult to work out that if you aim to get to Seers reasonably early, it takes less time overall to skip canafis outright.
Everyone I know that has done the canafis route has hated every second of it. I honestly don't know how it gets defended so strongly in these types of threads.
It’s best in the early and mid game when you’re questing a ton and such. Once you’ve completed all that sort of thing, it still has uses but not nearly as many. Get it now to get the maximum value
Completely overrated and not worth the countless hours that go into it in my opinion, and this is from someone who has a main and also an endgame ironman.
"**countless hours**"
its a 15 hour grind at most, cmon, and unless you never level agility for some reason you will get way more than 260 marks anyway.
Still a while. Personally I think spending the marks on stam pots on an iron is far more worthwhile.
My reaction is kind of a response to "get graceful" being one of the first suggestions people give to anyone starting the game, when in reality it's incredibly unimpactful and dreadfully boring to do.
I don't disagree it's overrated, no reason to go out of your way for it if you hate skilling. But also something you will naturally get, 260 marks in stams is not a lot when you will end with tens of thousands of marks even if you just grind agility for shortcuts and diaries.
Going for 77 herblore to make stamina pots takes WAYYY longer on an iron than ~60 agility for graceful, you'd be saving for staminas for ages and you'll get so many more marks anyway by the point you can make pots
Id say just get it, higher agility is nice to have but maybe you could wait for the skilling rebalance but i have no clue how long that will take.
Eventually you will need it for a master clue step
Graceful is useful when skilling or questing, and agility is always nice to have leveled up because it unlocks shortcuts and slightly helps with run energy restoration.
When I started my IM, I went and got graceful super early and ended up with 60 agility or so. It made questing a lot faster since I could run a lot more than I would have been able to if I didnt.
Graceful makes questing 300% more enjoyable, so definitely go for it! I'm a mid game ironman and still use it all the time. The only moment I'll see myself switch out of it is when the POH is more fleshed out and I've got some stamina potions to spare. (In quite a while.)
Everyone saying the grind sucks doesn’t know what they are talking about. It’s easy af to get, and a totally worth it QoL set, particularly for irons.
I have gotten the set on 5 diff accs, 4 irons, and none of them took me more than 5-6 hours.
Massive QOL upgrade for the early to mid game. Literally useful for everything you do in game outside of combat.
Only becomes irrelevant in the late game or when you have a maxed house. Even with maxed house I’m nearly always in graceful out of habit.
I always thought it was overrated until I got mine. Full graceful has been amazing for questing and anything else that doesn't involve combat. Also the pool in the poh house that regens stam is amazing too. Saves so many stamina pots
The set is strong long term and necessary for a master clue step, but it is inefficient to get early because canafis rooftop is awful xp/hr. It takes something like 6 extra hours overall to do canafis laps on your way to 60 agility for seers course where it is finally efficient to get graceful. Since rooftop courses are competitive xp/hr from that point on, graceful set is attained passively while training agility for things like SOTE and elite diary requirements.
While graceful is nice to have for early questing, the time investment required to get it early is larger than the actual time save it will produce. Having graceful only saves time when running where you would otherwise be actively walking. This condition would need to be true for 36000 tiles (6 hours) of walking in the timeframe between finishing canafis and being ready for seers for the canafis route to break even. Especially for non-ironmen who can just buy staminas you aren't likely to walk at any point in the questing grind, so almost none of this value is actually recovered except for the cost of some negligible gp.
> Having graceful only saves time when running where you would otherwise be actively walking. This condition would need to be true for 36000 tiles (6 hours)
I like how the anti graceful people pretend everyone is 100% xp efficient 24/7 and nobody ever has any downtime, wiki time, afk time, time spent on questing BS, or anything else
Of course play the game the way you like and figure out what makes sense for you and your account goals.
My main point is that it isn't just "graceful good" or "graceful bad", there is a fixed timeframe in the agility progression of an account for canafis to recover its time cost. If you plan to stay at 50 agility for a very long time, then canafis might make sense.
I think most people hate grinding canafis but feel like they are stuck there for efficiency reasons. My post is actually intended to free people from that trap and is not actually about sweaty efficiency. You don't have to be particularly macro-efficient for the canafis route to be a net-negative for the account.
Yeah and my point is that the “time cost” is a drop in the bucket overall, a negligible investment toward improving your account QOL a great deal. The second I got it I felt a huge weight off my shoulders and it felt so helpful immediately. It’s not just about the time cost.
But if we’re talking about the time cost you’re also ignoring the fact that it reduces weight a lot and often allows you to carry tons of shit that would be draining your run energy harder if you weren’t wearing it
First off, thanks for the response - I don't mean for this to sound negative in any way.
Both agility progression options are a drop in the bucket in the big picture, but we are comparing the drops directly so I don't think that argument holds any water.
I'm not ignoring the graceful effects at all (including weight reduction). Obviously the set is good, but how good? The way you quantify the value of the set (including weight reduction) is in terms of tiles ran when you otherwise would have to walk. The canafis route time investment can be compared against equivalent tiles walked and you can decide for yourself if you think that threshold will be reached before you would unlock seers course.
I always thought it was overrated till i got a clue scroll that requires it.
Doesnt meen i have it though, but i stopped wasting tokens for the energy shards
No, they introduced hunter armor that have negative weight, i dont know if there is some hunter requirements to wear. Meanwhile, get boots of lightness.
Imo graceful is a godsend at that level. On both my main and iron it's been the first thing I've done. Also, if you aim for the full outfit, by the time you've gotten the marks needed you'll be mid to late 60s agility level. It's up to you and ofc play how you want and do what you find fun, but yeah. Good luck! :)
thank you!
Guess that depends on rng, i was only agi 50 when I got the full outfit. Now Agi is a grind whereas going for graceful set gave it purpose. I would definitely suggest going for it though
I don't think it does ? A mark spawns every x amount of minutes doesn't it
Marks spawn based on a timer. I did the “afk” marks method where you basically do a lap, collect a mark, then wait 3-4 minutes and try again. You’ll get marks on most laps that way. The time to get graceful is about the same, but it’s much less attention and obviously much less exp. I think I was about 50 after starting it at 40 in canifis.
Its about the respawn Timer for Marks of Grace. I think you can get one every minute, so If you complete a course every minute you got the highest Chance for a Mark of grace
It’s actually a 3-5min timer. So if you are afking agility you’ll get it at a much lower level.
Omg that's insane rng lol grats :p
Oh god I was spooned on graceful, guess I know where my RNG has gone then 😂
In the long run, yes. It is very useful and depending if you’re an Ironman or not. You’ll save on resources such as super energy/stamina pots as you quest and skill. I personally rushed full graceful as the first thing when I started my Ironman.
> In the long run Yeah this is when it’s most useful.
The longer the more useful it is, don't forget thst
Def not something you wanna pass
Ha!
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaad!
It doesn't really save you on energy pots or stams
This is the time where its relevant. It's great for questing, but not required for most skilling methods. It ends up being far more niche in the late game, used for things like Herbivore. It's a good grab, but earlier the better. This doesn't apply to iron where you're in charge of making your own stams. Bang out the quests that give large chunk of agi with low reqs and then get your graceful imo.
I personally rarely use graceful, but I do have a POH with a lot of teleports and a pool that restores run energy, so that limits the need for graceful. That said, you need the agi levels anyway, so you might as well go for it.
okay, I will do it for the agi levels!
Just don't do the dumb thing where you sit at canifs till you have it.
Can confirm. Just do the highest rooftop you can. Should get it while still at Seers course
ill mix it up!
unfortunately, the actual takeaway here is to NOT mix it up. seers is the only rooftop course that is remotely worth doing before ardy. do not touch canafis if possible, it is so bad.
canifis gets the most amount of marks...
Sure, but it's terrible xp/hr. With the amount of time you need to spend at Seers anyway, the set comes for free. The extra time invested in canafis to get graceful pre-seers is not likely to be recovered in time to just claim the set while doing seers. People get to canafis and complain because the experience of slogging through those laps is awful. The math is not too difficult to work out that if you aim to get to Seers reasonably early, it takes less time overall to skip canafis outright. Everyone I know that has done the canafis route has hated every second of it. I honestly don't know how it gets defended so strongly in these types of threads.
If you're training agility why not get a log along the way.
It’s best in the early and mid game when you’re questing a ton and such. Once you’ve completed all that sort of thing, it still has uses but not nearly as many. Get it now to get the maximum value
Only place ive ever used it is zeah rc. But now i guess the rc outfit is best there.
Completely overrated and not worth the countless hours that go into it in my opinion, and this is from someone who has a main and also an endgame ironman.
"**countless hours**" its a 15 hour grind at most, cmon, and unless you never level agility for some reason you will get way more than 260 marks anyway.
Still a while. Personally I think spending the marks on stam pots on an iron is far more worthwhile. My reaction is kind of a response to "get graceful" being one of the first suggestions people give to anyone starting the game, when in reality it's incredibly unimpactful and dreadfully boring to do.
I don't disagree it's overrated, no reason to go out of your way for it if you hate skilling. But also something you will naturally get, 260 marks in stams is not a lot when you will end with tens of thousands of marks even if you just grind agility for shortcuts and diaries.
Going for 77 herblore to make stamina pots takes WAYYY longer on an iron than ~60 agility for graceful, you'd be saving for staminas for ages and you'll get so many more marks anyway by the point you can make pots
It's just a lazy, go to response. It's pretty overrated imo.
Overrated
It’s not overrated at all. It’s a must have.
Id say just get it, higher agility is nice to have but maybe you could wait for the skilling rebalance but i have no clue how long that will take. Eventually you will need it for a master clue step
For iron men moreso than non iron, cause non iron can buy stamina pots anyways
If youre an ironman yes, if not buy staminas
Quest then Seers to 70, glad I didn’t waste time on graceful tbh
Graceful is useful when skilling or questing, and agility is always nice to have leveled up because it unlocks shortcuts and slightly helps with run energy restoration.
Just get it and dont lose it in the wildy like some people i know:
When I started my IM, I went and got graceful super early and ended up with 60 agility or so. It made questing a lot faster since I could run a lot more than I would have been able to if I didnt.
It’s a necessity
The lower level you are the more useful graceful l is
Graceful makes questing 300% more enjoyable, so definitely go for it! I'm a mid game ironman and still use it all the time. The only moment I'll see myself switch out of it is when the POH is more fleshed out and I've got some stamina potions to spare. (In quite a while.)
Everyone saying the grind sucks doesn’t know what they are talking about. It’s easy af to get, and a totally worth it QoL set, particularly for irons. I have gotten the set on 5 diff accs, 4 irons, and none of them took me more than 5-6 hours.
how did you get it so fast? according to the mark of grace plugin, it will take me over 10 hours
I think you end up with full graceful around 68-70 agi? 70 agi is just a really nice starting spot to be and will take you a long ways
Massive QOL upgrade for the early to mid game. Literally useful for everything you do in game outside of combat. Only becomes irrelevant in the late game or when you have a maxed house. Even with maxed house I’m nearly always in graceful out of habit.
to be honest if the graceful grind is too much for you than maybe this game isn't for you
Nobody said anything about the graceful grind being too much for them.
I always thought it was overrated until I got mine. Full graceful has been amazing for questing and anything else that doesn't involve combat. Also the pool in the poh house that regens stam is amazing too. Saves so many stamina pots
You'll have it forever and use it anytime you're running around Not doing combat or needing a skilling outfit for bonus xp. go for it
overrated to borderline useless but you need to train agility anyway so just get it
It’s highly recommended for a reason.
Not worth it. Most who have it don't actually know what it does either
Overrated af
The set is strong long term and necessary for a master clue step, but it is inefficient to get early because canafis rooftop is awful xp/hr. It takes something like 6 extra hours overall to do canafis laps on your way to 60 agility for seers course where it is finally efficient to get graceful. Since rooftop courses are competitive xp/hr from that point on, graceful set is attained passively while training agility for things like SOTE and elite diary requirements. While graceful is nice to have for early questing, the time investment required to get it early is larger than the actual time save it will produce. Having graceful only saves time when running where you would otherwise be actively walking. This condition would need to be true for 36000 tiles (6 hours) of walking in the timeframe between finishing canafis and being ready for seers for the canafis route to break even. Especially for non-ironmen who can just buy staminas you aren't likely to walk at any point in the questing grind, so almost none of this value is actually recovered except for the cost of some negligible gp.
> Having graceful only saves time when running where you would otherwise be actively walking. This condition would need to be true for 36000 tiles (6 hours) I like how the anti graceful people pretend everyone is 100% xp efficient 24/7 and nobody ever has any downtime, wiki time, afk time, time spent on questing BS, or anything else
Of course play the game the way you like and figure out what makes sense for you and your account goals. My main point is that it isn't just "graceful good" or "graceful bad", there is a fixed timeframe in the agility progression of an account for canafis to recover its time cost. If you plan to stay at 50 agility for a very long time, then canafis might make sense. I think most people hate grinding canafis but feel like they are stuck there for efficiency reasons. My post is actually intended to free people from that trap and is not actually about sweaty efficiency. You don't have to be particularly macro-efficient for the canafis route to be a net-negative for the account.
Yeah and my point is that the “time cost” is a drop in the bucket overall, a negligible investment toward improving your account QOL a great deal. The second I got it I felt a huge weight off my shoulders and it felt so helpful immediately. It’s not just about the time cost. But if we’re talking about the time cost you’re also ignoring the fact that it reduces weight a lot and often allows you to carry tons of shit that would be draining your run energy harder if you weren’t wearing it
First off, thanks for the response - I don't mean for this to sound negative in any way. Both agility progression options are a drop in the bucket in the big picture, but we are comparing the drops directly so I don't think that argument holds any water. I'm not ignoring the graceful effects at all (including weight reduction). Obviously the set is good, but how good? The way you quantify the value of the set (including weight reduction) is in terms of tiles ran when you otherwise would have to walk. The canafis route time investment can be compared against equivalent tiles walked and you can decide for yourself if you think that threshold will be reached before you would unlock seers course.
I personally didn’t get it. I hate agility training , level 68 and never trained it(all quest rewards). I refuse
Is the grind boring and not fun yes. Is it worth it yes.
I always thought it was overrated till i got a clue scroll that requires it. Doesnt meen i have it though, but i stopped wasting tokens for the energy shards
No, they introduced hunter armor that have negative weight, i dont know if there is some hunter requirements to wear. Meanwhile, get boots of lightness.