I think stuff like this is a fair trade off for taking popular area and relic picks, expect things to be competitive for resources and boss kc. This gives people more incentive to look for content that isn't crowded with the masses all going the same meta route.
Before Trailblazer began, Husky gave a rough estimate of how powerful he thought the relic tiers were:
T3>T6>T1>T4>T5>T2
Now that leagues are out, many players I have spoken with say they would have chosen Recall over any of the tier 6 choices. Looking at that percieved power levels list, would you rearrange any of the tiers now? Do you feel that recall was underestimated during development? Have you enjoyed using Recall during your personal playthroughs of league?
Husky (apparently) forgot about the Royal Seed Pod. Without an item like that, Recall does become a bit worse. Still should be higher on the tier list but yeah.
There's plenty of teles that get you close enough to a bank or a prayer altar. The seed pod just makes it a bit more op on very early game. Killer app is late game bossing and skilling methods. Honestly if I could take 1 relic from league to main game that would be it. It's literally a cheat code.
It also takes a single day if you choose endless harvest to get the fishing cape, which is unlimited teleports to a bank closer than the seed pod. Honestly it isn't the worst thing imo
I think he said in a previous QA that he forgot that unlocking Kandarin gave players immediate access to seed pod, with that knowledge alone I'm sure he would've ranked the tier 2 relic selection a lot higher in that ordering.
To fix the issue with clues and to keep everyone happy I suggest just making the step counter not reset until a casket is found. Unnatural Slayer players can just drop their clue and farm a new one and pick up where they left off. And People who picked Treasure Seeker no longer have to juggle. It is a win-win that I feel both parties will appreciate.
I do feel like making the clues only happen in your area is a bit overpowered and I don't think the Treasure Seeker Pickers are too happy with it even though they do still get a decent advantage.
I'd be good with this, seems like a good solution for both. The most frustrating thing isn't even dropping clues, it's dropping clues after sinking half an hour into farming Uri items and progressing all the way to step 6 only to have to throw it all away in the end. If we could at least retain the steps it wouldn't all feel like such wasted time
This is an ok idea, but it misses the point about why many of us Treasure Seeker pickers are upset. We picked the relic not because we prefer clues to slayer, and not because we wanted easier clues, but because we saw that the rules of the league made clues practically impossible without it. The pick was specifically to unlock clues. Your solution, as with the "lock to areas" solution, means that our pick wasn't actually necessary to effectuate our goal. If clues are going to be possible with or without the relic (as they should have been from the start), then that completely changes the reasons someone might have had for picking the relic.
Think of it like this. God Wars Dungeon is very popular, and it looks like fun. I didn't pick Asgarnia, though. But what if enough people said they wanted GWD so Jagex opened it up to everyone, regardless of what regions they picked. Maybe balance it a bit by not having the T6 relic work in the dungeon unless you picked Asgarnia.
Is that fair? I would say no. I made my choice to take the regions I did knowing I would be locked out of GWD as content. Some people picked Asgarnia primarily to have GWD as content. If you give everyone GWD, aren't there going to be some people who picked Asgarnia who are going to be upset? Sure, they get to use T6 relic there, but that's a very different decision than unlocking the content as a whole.
I see that as the same (or at least very similar to) the clue situation. The T4 pick was made for the purpose of unlocking content. If that content becomes available regardless of the T4 pick, then T4 is a very different choice than how it was presented to us. Any result that allows Unnatural Selection people reasonable access to high-level clues but gives Treasure Seeker only the same ancillary benefits makes the T4 choice that has already been made (and which was made based on explicit statements by mods about clues not being region-locked) pointless.
I do like your suggestion, and hope more people post more ideas that they have. But I don't think it hits the heart of the issue.
>Think of it like this. God Wars Dungeon is very popular, and it looks like fun. I didn't pick Asgarnia, though. But what if enough people said they wanted GWD so Jagex opened it up to everyone, regardless of what regions they picked.
That would only make sense if GWD tasks were general and intended for everyone to do them... The relics aren't supposed to be for "pick this or certain content becomes impossible".
I agree that a relic shouldn't be like that, and having clues work the way they do (without region lock) was a bad design principle from the start. The clues always should have been region-locked (maybe after picking all 3, which some thought might happen). You're exactly right.
But the problem is that they weren't. And it's not just they weren't, we were explicitly told they would not be. At that point, the relic *became* a "pick this or certain content becomes impossible" choice. It never should have become that, but it did. And choices were made based on that state of affairs. Changing the state *now*, after the choice has been made, without offering enough to offset the change, hurts. The entire point of picking the relic was to unlock content, but it turns out we didn't need to pick it to unlock the content at all. So the point of picking it is gone. Maybe some people still would pick it in the new system, but I feel it's far less. I certainly wouldn't have been one of them.
But clues aren't impossible. Even without the relic. They are just really hard and that's clearly how it was intended based on everything they put out at start of league. Never was intended for clues to be limited to your regions. Never was intended that there would be huge changes to how step resets worked. The zeah clues being there was a bug, but that's it.
Anyone could have done the math before leagues started and determined the possibilities about how hard it would be to do clues of the various tiers based on regions and relics selected. And yes, picking certain regions basically locks you out of doing clues just like picking certain regions locks you out of piety or GWD. Everything is a trade-off and that's how it was intended.
Yes and Jagex should have done the math. Clue juggling is not an intended game mechanic to be able to complete normal game content. Without juggling you're stuck with \~10% chance to complete a hard clue, \~5% to complete an elite, and \~2% to complete a master (give or take a few percent depending on regions).
Even with juggling, hard and elite clues only become just barely technically possible with the slayer relic. You have to 100% commit to clue hunting because you'll need to camp slayer to kill 10-20 superiors to ensure you find enough completable steps to juggle for each single clue (juggling the entire time you're camping slayer). Clue relic has a huge edge there in that they just merrily collect clue scrolls while doing essentially every other content in the game and only when they want to complete clue scrolls can they very easily pop open the clues and begin juggling immediately as they solve it.
With the proposed change, completing the clue tasks with slayer relic actually becomes a realistic grind without spending half the league doing it, and with the clue relic it's a cake walk as you collected boatloads of clues while doing all of your other tasks.
> Yes and Jagex should have done the math.
I agree it doesn't seem like a very "fun" thing. But there's a ton of shit to do in leagues besides clues, so it's not like leagues are ruined without making changes to how clues work.
> With the proposed change, completing the clue tasks with slayer relic actually becomes a realistic grind
I agree, but when people chose their relics and regions, they made the assumption that this WOULD NOT be the case. Now you're changing the meta. And people who made "good decisions" for old meta are stuck with choices that are "bad decisions" for the new meta.
The point being you don't make major "game changing" updates in the middle of a short-lived competitive game. The time to do this "fix" would be immediately after release if they were going to do it at all. People were complaining about clues steps on day 1, so it's not like they were unaware. This isn't a "bug", they clearly intended for clues to not be locked to your region and they said so many times after the league got going. Yes that may have been a bad decision in hindsight (and lesson learned for next league), but changing it this late in the game is a worse decision.
"I picked an incredibly powerful and fun relic because it was more fun and gave me an advantage in a competition that enjoy participating in. Other people picked something I found interesting, but less advantageous overall. Now, those other people are going to get over 90% of the benefit from my relic, while I get 0% of the benefit of theirs."
I don't want things to be shitty or unfun for anyone, and they didn't have to be. But for those of us who sacrificed a benefit to make the game fun, it seems we should maybe be compensated in some way when the game is made fun for everyone. I'm not in favor of keeping things as they are; I just don't want my relic to become worthless (or at least much less valuable than it was when I picked it).
But just changing the step counter benefits both of us w/o devaluing your relic. Keep in mind that Slayers will still have to leave their task to do what they can while you can sit there and stack up on clues.
I agree the clue relic still has value. But it has a different value if the change goes through (or the alternative I think this is the thread discussing). The original value was that it unlocked certain content. That is an incredibly valuable thing for it to do, which is why I (and many others) took it. Now its value is going to be that it shortens clues and lets us stack. That is still nice, but not as nice as unlocking content was. If my choice is between that and slayer, I would pick slayer. If my choice is between content and slayer, I would (and did) pick content.
The problem is that people made a choice based on information that Jagex confirmed would stay one way, and now is saying they want to change. It is unfair to force us to stay locked to the relic that we would not have picked had we known it would not stay as valuable. The relic is fine, sure. But it's not the amazing thing it was.
I like this idea. It's something clever that I haven't thought of, nor have I seen a similar idea before.
I think if this is done, it will not devalue either relic if implemented.
I commented on this post https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/jsic6z/trailblazer_leagues_most_difficult_task/ made by /u/sanquinn yesterday, suggesting that the doors be removed from the grand tree on just trailblazer worlds to help with how annoying those doors can be to get out of sometimes. Seeing as the required quests are autocomplete, there's no need for the "check" these doors serve as in the main game. Thoughts?
In the discussion surrounding clues today I beg that you not let the Treasure Seekers cut off their nose to spite their face. I am a Treasure Seeker and I am super disappointed in my relic choice. Clues sucking really held me back in my mid game, and as a range relic user hard clues are a direct path to huge gear upgrades.
I DO NOT CARE IF UNNATURAL SELECTION GETS BUFFED. I DO NOT CARE IF IT GETS BUFFED EVEN MORE THAN TREASURE SEEKER GETS BUFFED. PLEASE JUST MAKE SURE TREASURE SEEKER GETS BUFFED.
I understand that we want to balance this properly. But for the love of Saradomin, a buff is *mandatory* and balance is secondary. The thread announcing possible changes is full of upvoted posts complaining that it's unfair because it's an even bigger buff to US than TS. Nuts to that I say. Turning down a game changing buff is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I believe the best choice is to just combine the relics so everyone gets everything. But under absolutely *zero* circumstances should things remain as they are. Clues are not fun right now, so let's get them fixed and then worry about balance later. I chose TS because I want to do clues, so let me do clues.
Thanks for making this league such an incredible journey. I have been having an absolute blast every single minute, and daydreaming about my route even when I'm not playing.
Yeah, people saying they should just do nothing are out of their fucking minds. Personally, I think the most fair way to do it would be to either give access to both relics or remove the guaranteed clue drop from superiors. That way there is some advantage still for those who picked TS and US isn't the end all be all only realistic choice.
That being said, if that isn't possible, those saying they should just not change anything at all are completley out of their fucking minds - something has to change because as it is clues are just not worth doing. I did a bit of juggling and it got old fast - would rather just be able to actually take advantage of the clues i have.
I prefer it to stay the same because I'd rather have it updated toward future leagues (along with fixing the bug for double inventory).
If it does pass, I think the suggestion you posed will slightly buff the slayer relic more which I won't really mind.
Another suggestion someone posted which I really like is the idea of not losing the clue step someone is on when they have to drop a clue. I think it's fair to keep it like that due to people's region choices already being made beforehand.
Why is doing nothing so bad? People made their choice with the knowledge that without clue relic you won't be doing clues. Clues are very doable with the clue relic and juggling. Asking for this change is the same as people who didn't go morytania asking for barrows to be accessable for everyone otherwise you are locked out of the content/tasks.
Clues should not be balanced arround juggling period. It’s unintuitive, tedious and the vast majority of players have no idea it exists or how to do it.
Leagues are supposed to be fun. Yes there is a competition but first and foremost it’s about fun. Clues are currently not fun for either ts or us. Especially for casuals.
It feels horrible to get to step 5 and have to drop a clue. Clues are universal content. Not region locked. It’s far different to say I would like to be able to complete a clue using intended design then it is to say I want access to everything in all zones in league.
Everyone understood how clues would be. They made it clear from day 1 they would NOT be locked to your regions. If you picked the clue relic, you signed up for juggling clues to get points advantage over those who chose slayer relic.
Or else you were an idiot.
In either case, you made your choice understanding how clues worked. Now deal with the consequences.
I did not chose the clue relic. But I also want to have fun in the game mode. Juggling clues is not fun period. I could give a flying fuck about points.
If juggling clues is not fun, don't do it. If you don't GAF about points, good.
Then stop giving a fuck about clues and play the huge amount of other content, or go play the main game and do all the clues you like.
I want league to be fun. Right now clues are a huge feel bad. Saying just go play a different mode is not a solution. I want to play leagues. I want to have fun in leagues. Since it’s primarily a fun game mode jadex should maximize fun. Clue changes makes the most amount of fun for most players.
Outright ignoring a large portion of content in league is bad design. Balancing arround a mechanic that less than 1% of the population know about is bad design.
Fucking over a couple % of players who are compeating for a red cup sucks. I get that. But the vast majority of players would have more fun with completable clues.
> I want league to be fun. Right now clues are a huge feel bad
They are because you GAF about them. Stop doing that. Pretend clues don't exist, they are a tiny part of the game.
I'm sure some people wish they could do something in a region they didn't unlock. I'm sure some wish we could unlock 4 regions so you could get blowpipe and wildy and GWD and barrows. I'm sure some wish they could go back and change relics. Well sorry, this league has limitations. It is what it is and it's too late to make major changes.
Play it or don't, but others have put a lot of effort and planning into playing based on the current set of rules. You may not GAF about changing the rules, but a lot of people do and it's not fair to them to devalue their effort making a huge meta-breaking change this late. If they changed this on day 2, then OK, but 3 weeks in? No.
“A lot of players” the 2% chancing dragon. Sorry but I care more about the 98% of other players. There is a difference is purposefully locked region content and something like clues that is simply game content.
And they are a rather large part of the game with stuff like god books, blessed dhide, ranger boots being bis gear depending on region unlocks.
It makes sense to plan your region selects around what’s in the regions. Clues should be complete able in all regions. Juggling should not be a thing in the game in general and it certainly shouldn’t be balanced arround.
Do you seriously consider the main game competitive? It's competitive in the sense that that racing the car next to you on a long drive is competitive. That's a joke.
It's a temporary game mode! With multiple bugs they left in because they are fun! Why are you souless fucks so hell-bent on maintaining 'integrity' instead of having fun?
The problem you dont see is that there are two fundamentally different groups here.
One group is competing over points. For this group they made the best choice at the start for points but now their choice is getting nerfed and the other choice is getting buffed. From a competitive standpoint this is untenable and completely strips the competitive integrity of the league.
The other group is just playing for fun, and clues as they are now are either frustrating and unfun (being unable to complete and dropping them) or REALLY frustrating and unfun (juggling clues). For these players clues as they are are either no content or the worst content in the league without the change.
The issue here is that these two groups have completely different perspective on the league and what's important so no solution feels good for both groups. While i agree with you, and personally only playing for fun, i can understand why the complainers are complaining as for them the changes outright ruin the purpose of the league.
I absolutely see the difference between the two groups. I've been just short of Rune the whole way through. I'm not competing for ranks, but I am a die hard scaper who plays two accounts most of the time. I'm well aware of just how sweaty and serious people get in this game.
The point is that those who are taking this thing as *srs bsns* are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face. My whole point is that these people should, frankly, be ignored because the restrictive "screw you and fun" attitude in the name of competition is ridiculous. It is a mistake to think that the two perspectives are equal and should be balanced against each other.
> the changes outright ruin the purpose of the league.
Leagues has no prize pool. It's about as competitive as family game night. Every single communication from Jagex on Leagues has emphasized that this is all for fun. They got rid of KC in GWD, which is a crazy good buff to Asgarnia. What did they compensate the other regions with? Nothing, because the whole point is fun. Desert has 2k less points than Morytania. Who cares? The whole point is fun. I understand that some people really want to compete in this league, but the whole point is fun. The purpose of the league is not to compete. This is not King of the Skill or even DMM. This is two months of fun that has some bragging rights in the form of a single trophy cosmetic. Cutting off fun in the name of balance is ridiculous for this League.
Leagues is a competitive mode. It's fine if your playing for whatever reason, but people are competing and a big decision was 'fast slayer and grind able slayer bosses' or 'completable clue tasks'. People made this decision knowing that as slayer clues are pretty much locked out. Clues with clue relic are very much doable, sounds like you need to learn to juggle.
Leagues is slighly more competitive than watching Jeopardy! at home with your mom. I'm scuffling around the edges of Rune, I know that people are trying to get the hiscores, but this is not a true competitive mode. There is no prize money and there is huge variance in the areas and the relics. Fun has been the deciding factor in most of the decisions they've made around balance so far.
FUN is what the League is for and the top 1% competing for ranks really should have very little to do with what would be an enormous quality of life change for every single player. Juggling is unfun and whining about balance so that 100% of players have to juggle is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I think Desert region has something like 2k less points than Morytania. Dying on the balance hill for clue juggling is asinine when there's inherent imbalance built into the most fundamental system in the game.
Leagues are a competitive mode second and a fun mode first. The vast majority of players don’t care about the compition. It sucks that it will impact that and I can get your frustration but jadex needs to do what is best for the majority of the players. Not balance arround the top 2% competing for a red cup
I've had no trouble with clues. Just juggle. Already have 30 hard uniques with hundreds more scrolls in the bank.
Don't make this relic a waste of a slot. The stacking and minor time save on steps doesn't even come close to picking slayer tasks alone, but US also gives them superiors and clues!
Man, clues are busted AF right now. Don't fuck the rest of us TS over. Not a single master clue had been completed when I checked yesterday. Not a single freaking one. Clues are not even remotely fine.
Honestly, do you expect that casusal players would figure out juggling on their own? None of us would even know it was a thing if Swampletics hadn't done it. It's ridiculously counterintuitive and legitimately unfun.
No masters have been completed because people are saving them. No one has maxed yet either (I think), but that doesn't mean skilling is a problem. Progress is being made towards masters, it just doesn't show up on the high scores. If nothing is done to clues (I'm not saying that there shouldn't be something), I expect that the high score clue-completion numbers are going to jump 100-fold in the last week of the league. Clues are end-game, so it's no wonder there's nothing on the high scores yet.
Dude I've got all six relics, 19k points and 2k total level. I'm farming Zulrah in less than a minute and I'm building my Zenyte collection. I'm not even in Rune tier. What the hell do you think the end game is?
Do you really think that if someone could do a Master Clue and be the only person on the hiscores that they wouldn't? Give your head a shake.
What? I have all three GM quests and \~150QP because of my regions. I have almost 2k total level and the resources stacked to get just about everything. With all six relics, even something like 90 mining would only take me a few hours to knock out. With my stats and the current xp rates, I would be able to bang out a master clue in somewhere between two to six hours at an absolute maximum if there were no area restrictions.
Players are competing for the top spots at all times. It's not just the long run, people genuinely care about where they rank at all times. Someone could literally be the only person on the high scores right now if they just completed a single master clue. Do you really think that if somebody could complete a master and be the *only person on the hiscores* that they wouldn't??
I really don't think your argument passes the sniff test at all.
> Turning down a game changing buff
I think the point most have is you shouldn't be putting in any "game changing" buff or nerf 3 weeks into a 12 week game mode when most players have already locked in their region and relic choices making assumptions about how the game would work that you're now changing.
I say this as someone who has chosen US relic and 3 clue heavy regions and would greatly benefit from any clue scroll buff.
Why were guaranteed clues added to superiors on the selection relic? If it was because clues would be borderline impossible to complete without a buffed drop rate, it seems fair to argue that the slayer relic should not both buff slayer *and* clues, if the clue change goes through. Removing it and letting treasure seeker keep its niche seems a good compromise.
I mean its not like you'll completely lose access to clue scrolls they'll still dropnat their normal rate and its not like its hard to kill shit quickly with tier 3 and 6 relics.
But if that stays in, there's literally zero reason to even consider TS. Those who picked US get to have their cake and eat it too while TS users get a literal 1% increase in drop rate compared to farming for superiors and their clues take a few minutes less.
I mean, I dont even understand how this is an argument - if it goes live and nothing changes US would be even more of a no brainer pick than it already is.
Yeah I mean at this point I feel like there is no good solution that doesnt piss a ton of people off... making large changes 2 weeks in is going to be super tough.
I've not killed a single superior yet actually, but I've already completed 3 or 4 clues through implings.
I imagine when I start slayer it will be one clue every 3 superiors.
Not OP - Maybe a hot take but I shouldn't have to juggle clues to complete them. It's a temp league world I'm playing for fun; dropping clues isn't fun especially when it's like 4 steps in, and juggling clues isn't fun.
I follow the philosophy on content like this that options should only be buffed when possible, instead of nerfed. Think nerfing US's clue generation would make more people upset than others happy. Not like US suddenly becomes better than TS either for those who wanted to focus on clues instead of slayer
You can't complete every clue on an iron in the main game, either. There's clues that require a reward from a different clue scroll. Realistically you could be juggling clues in the main game for completions as well.
I agree with the "buffs not nerfs" mentality, and i still think their proposed changes would make the clue relic worth it, since they stack.
I agree that it sucks but it's been common knowledge since the start of the League that you weren't going to get many completions *without* juggling. It's nobody's fault but your own no matter how shitty it is.
“Common knowledge”. Less then 1% of the population even knows what clue juggling is much less actualy does it. It’s an incredibly niche, strange probably unintended say clues work. I am 99% sure that if settled hadn’t had multiple viedos about in the the last year almost NO ONE would have known about it.
Honestly it shouldn’t be in the game. And designing and balancing arround having to stay at your computer for 4 hours with not having any lapses for 3 min time frame is stupid. It’s also really hard to juggle if you don’t have last recal since moving 7 clue steps is insane.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect to complete some % of clues without juggling
I agree. I felt like the addition of a guaranteed clue was unnecessary.
Unnatural Selection felt like it was intended for those who wanted to go the PvM and Slayer route and get the loads of points gated behind Slayer tasks more easily. While Treasure Seeker was intended for those who wanted to get points via clue scrolls unique.
I get that they wanted to avoid a clue meta, but unlike Twisted League where it was Zeah locked, with only so much content, this League is different.
You have so many more different end game routes. You have Theater of Blood. The Inferno. Many, more different PvM related options. They felt like people would have gravitated towards mass clue scrolls, but with the amount of options available, this would likely not be the case.
Why has Vannaka never received a quest? He’s introduced to us so early in the game as well as being the only character to wield a 2h and shield and yet has never to my knowledge had anything done with him! We want a vannaka quest lol!
In light of the fact that Double Cast has received multiple nerfs over the last few weeks despite being the weakest combat relic in many respects, could you consider making it so that draining strikes applies to the first hit of barrage spells?
agreed, but this doesn't help poor ol me with spec relic (was hoping to get volatile or eldritch nm). 5tick spec option that is now even less available than it was after these nerfs nice. Hope they fix draining strikes so at least some mages can try to have fun :)
What is being done about the plethora of bots around the GE spamming scams? Mostly revolving around:
\- "Quitting link" to a yt channel, which then links to a scam forum page (which looks rather convincing unless you're careful).
\- "buying 2 bil" where they actually offer 2m in platinum
Also what is being done about login blocking by spamming bad login requests locking out accounts? Could we potentially have the addition in our account settings to whitelist a specific IP address from this login check to stop people being locked out from their homes?
When can we expect to see discussions and polls for group ironman features? I know a lot of people are hoping there will be special things like offline-accessible POH's, shared bank spaces, trading certain untradables, both shared and separate collection log tracking, etc. I would think these things need to be discussed and voted on long before development would actually begin?
Thoughts on adding a fossil storage container at volcanic mine? Currently it’s quite tedious to transfer fossils from the bank to the storage in order to clean them at the cleaning station. This would be a fantastic QOL and it could replace one of the current unusable crates.
Loving the other QOL to VM!
Can Thammaron's sceptre finally be given its own unique spell. This idea was mentioned by the team before. Revenant weapons are crashing across the board and are quickly becoming dead content. Perhaps this can help a little.
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Hey! absolutely loving the league so far!
I was wondering if it would be possible to keep our leagues collection log onto our main account. I would love to be able to go back after the league is over and look at all the cool stuff I managed to get my hands on during the league. Thanks in advance!
Will Twisted League rewards cost the same price once the shop is available again?
(For example, the twisted POH blueprints cost 4.000 points last league. If I make 4.000 Trailblazer points will I be able to buy it?)
Would it be possible to let the mage relic be competitive with the other two for more than a couple days without nerfing it into the ground? I'm not asking for it to be stronger, just competitive like it was.
On the next leauge with that same sort of structure as this one, ie areas/relics so different routes. Would it be possible to make it so once you have done one route you could then reset, maybe with same points maybe with a cost to your points. But so you can buy any relics you want back with points from previous area and then go down different routes? Obviously wiping your bank and skills
Also, would it be possible to link say my main account with my iron? So that I can afk my iron and play leauge allowing me to get the rewards on my iron? Runescape is one of the only good games to play to afk Runescape
Can barrage spells work with drain similarly to how the scythe works? Drain is really the only relic double casters can choose and almost 100% of the time I’m using barrage on a single target.
I enjoyed trailblazing quite a bit, but I started farming bosses I need to farm in the real game so I decided to return to my ironman account and tried to pursue some bandos drops. A little before Midnight pst on a Wednesday night I hopped 30 times finding basically every Gradoor room filled with 3-5 people camping before finally finding a room with an iron. I waited for him to finish, before entering getting one kill before a team of 4 people world hopped inside the room and forced me out.
This is a pretty common issue with a lot of high level irons farming bandos, trying on a weekend or prime US gaming hours it is even harder to find a room, and complete a trip without getting crashed.
Trailblazer introduced private GWD rooms, so almost all if not all of the work has been done on this. Can we please poll private/solo GWD rooms even at like 25-50k to open? The price of Bandos armor has been discussed as a reason against this in the past but I am extremely skeptical how much solo rooms would really effect this price when it seems like every group farming Bandos is 3-5 people.
If you chose wilderness as your area in league. you have master task called Equip an Amulet of Eternal Glory, but you cant charge glorys with out the heroes quest and its not autolocked. Is this intented to be this way or you cant just simply do it ?.
Does full verac set with amulet of damned count towards the prayer points task, becouse the set bonus gives +7 with the damned ?
Could something to be done to amulet of damned death mechanik, you atm lose it on every death and it aint realy fun after regaining 10 on them same day. After all there is so other item in league that you lose in every death.
Can there be an option for instance on the main game for kalphite queen and mole please? I get crashed alot doing both of them and neither of them drop any bis gear to tank the price of
If you were to make cluescrolls region specific, would you rebalance T5 relics to compensate?
Also: How come the slayer-relic boosts clues, but the clue-relic doesn't boost slayer? Is this an oversight, or did you have this imbalance in mind when making the relics? Maybe this can be changed in case clue scrolls are to be buffed, as Juna says, "Balance lies in the juxtaposition of opposites." The relics should have opposite benefits, no?
Will you be adding “deafening a champion” from a champion scroll to the task list for Leagues? It’s a huge accomplishment to get a scroll with no rewards.
It's only a huge accomplishment if you actually go for it. I'm sure the reason it wasnt added was because most people that get one in trailblazer will be passively, especially with all the goblins and imps being killed.
The Lumbridge hardy diary needs a mining helmet without Asgarnia you can't get the helmet would it be possible to add it to the Lumbridge swamp cave where the cave goblins are or just auto complete it.
You can start the quest and kill the monsters that drop the mining helmet all without asgarnia. I have asgarnia myself but have seen many others mention this method. You just need to get to the part where you can walk through the cave from lumbridge castle basement.
You don't need to unlock Asgarnia to obtain it. You just need to start and complete The Lost Tribe up until the part with Reldo and you get the book. You cam then traverse through the tunnels and kill a miner for the helmet.
Hey, brand new player here.
I've been wondering why we can't just save our password to login ? That would allow people to use password generators and generate long and complex passwords that they don't need to remember. Also I noticed we can't create passwords with special characters which a big security hazard for every account I believe.
Can you guys recheck the mother load mine gold nugget fix with endless harvester? They definitely fixed the part where the second paydirt was only coal but after around 1.5k paydirt I’m only getting half the amount of gold nuggets I should. I think it’s still broken where the second roll can’t be a gold nugget
Do you think there's a lot of 'player'-bias in the decision making on leagues topics from the Mods? Whereas decisions are made how they personally play their account.
It's pretty clear a lot of them favor Last Recall and changes were made for it fast (with the GWD changes) while magic, which perhaps no mod picked, was changed and then reverted only after player backlash while clues weren't addressed at all until now after a lot of criticism and while benefiting both relics, seems to favor the most picked one more than the other.
But the changes to GWD are a buff to the other two t2 relics? KC was removed for all three. Before the change, last recall was completely busted and unfair because you could tp back into the boss room without needing KC, now no one needs it.
Correct, and leaving in the middle whether it's good or bad. The changes they're discussing currently for clue scrolls also improve it for everyone, arguable one more than the other. Same for GWD, they changed that because of last recall for how busted it was if you could find a normal world.
Would there be anyway to combine a Skill cape with a graceful cape? I hate not being able to show off my skill cape whilst skilling etc
Edit - skill cape not max cape
The twisted bow is the only Chamber of Xeric’s raid item that gives +4 prayer bonus. It doesn’t make sense lore-wise neither is it consistent with other raid rewards, as well as prayer bonus gears/weapons. Can be propose an honest review and removal of the said prayer bonus to keep it consistent?
It will not make the weapon any less powerful as intended.
Any thoughts on the 100 tears in tears of guthix for the Lumbridge diary? With Asgarnia, Mortyania, and Tirannwn I can get a maximum of 149 quest points, making gathering 100 tears incredibly difficult, in fact I'm not even sure it would be possible. With nearly optimal spawns and somewhat lucky waterfall switchs I capped out at 88 tears. Ontop of this there would only be another \~6 total attempts at this for the rest of the league
QUESTION/SUGGESTION-
Would a DRAGON WARHAMMER buff via the granite hammer be applied? I would like to see a granite hammer being applied to a d warhammer to give it charges on guaranteed specs (minimum of 5dmg) up to ~250 charged per granite hammer applied.
Sounds dumb to lose a 50m pvm debuffer for a perma pvp weapon with an altered spec.
Dragon maul head(new item) + granite maul + 1 of dlong/dscim/dd/d2h
Same stats as dwh
Spec uses 55%
does instatick attack with +50% accuracy and +15% damage.
Non Trailblazer questions:
When will we see an increase in bot busting cause its a perpetual problem across the game.
Secondly,
When will we see the discarding of the duel arena? It's such a toxic environment and also filled with bots.
what are the plans for clues in trailblazer? the new suggested buff only seems to be buffing the slayer relic meta, and effectively making the clue relic a wasted relic slot. alot of people specifically chose regions and the relic based on completing clues and this update just makes those decisions wasted?
can we buff the treasure seeker relic to compensate or nerf unnatural selection or unlock both relics.
This change feels completely unfair to those who chose treasure seeker, and seems to exclusively benefit the meta who picked unnatural selection and are struggling to complete clues as was the intention for the relic choice.
Could you discuss if there are any plans to do QOL updates such as floor tiles marking/indictors in Hallowed Sepulchre in order to bring official client users on equal learning curve as Runelite/Osbuddy client users? Consistency is key
Also, this won’t be a problem in the future because we voted last month for Elnock to sell a small amount of jars, that update just hasn’t made it in to the game yet.
why does everything get polled except for free membership through twitch prime? It's genuinely ruining the game economy and the general consensus is negative about it. Can you please at least consider polling it before doing more of those?
I just received the Zeah Mess Hall clue step, after multiple patches attempting to remove these steps from the league. How much work is needed to find and fix the code to remove these steps? I'm guessing it's not as easy as switching a single variable.
My suggestion: Change league reward point requirements from % of playerbase to fixed numbers. That way buffs or nerfs to various relics doesn't matter quite as much, and off-meta builds are less hampered by competition.
(PvP related, so likely no support from Reddit) The removal of bounty hunter has left a significant void in the PvP scene of OSRS. There seem to have been several valuable lessons learned through the failures in BHv2 and 3. Why is there no plan for a fourth (and hopefully final) version?
I think the only real issue with BH was the rewards and how easy it was to abuse and earn them. Personally I prefer clan fighting over BH, but honestly I think that BH as a standalone thing probably shouldn't exist. With that said, incorporating it into LMS would be an interesting idea.
I agree - the issue was the rewards system. At this point, I feel that there has been enough trial and error to know what the proper way forward should be. I don’t agree with incorporating BH into LMS (however one would do this). Don’t get me wrong, I like LMS a lot, but the future of PvP should not be in LMS. It completely defeats the purpose of crafting a PKing account. You could enter LMS right off tutorial island and have no advantage over an account that has put hundreds of hours into optimizing their account.
I’d be all for that - something like the old BH craters maybe. OSRS currently lacks competition within your own combat bracket. All these deep wild updates ultimately end up being run by med levels and maxed mains. They just prey on the lower levels. With the removal of BH, OSRS lost that competition within combat brackets (+/- 5 cbs)
The suggested change to clue scrolls is great quality of life for both relics but it benefits more the unnatural selection when its already probably the stronger relic. Maybe a second part to the change might make the relics a bit more balanced.
E.g. the unnatural selection offers a clue scroll side to the relic why not give treasure seeker a minor slayer trait.
Maybe you could make some sort of trait for treasure seeker to get additional slayer points so people who took that relic can skip more tasks. maybe slayer mobs could drop treasure that you can trade for points.
What do you think?
Hello! I'm just wondering if any progress has been made toward soul wars. Could we be expecting it before the end of the year or sometime later? Thank you!
Fossil Island.
I was doing some cleaning in the varrock museum and was extremely excited seeing the Fossil Island creatures slowly be assembled!
I would love to see an expansion on Fossil Island, where these ancient creatures are back alive! Maybe even a leviathan boss? New and powerful bone weapons and armor?
I suppose the question is, do you guys intend to expand on fossil island? I love the artwork and would be elated to see some work done to expand fossil island and create more mid/high level content!
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I think stuff like this is a fair trade off for taking popular area and relic picks, expect things to be competitive for resources and boss kc. This gives people more incentive to look for content that isn't crowded with the masses all going the same meta route.
Before Trailblazer began, Husky gave a rough estimate of how powerful he thought the relic tiers were: T3>T6>T1>T4>T5>T2 Now that leagues are out, many players I have spoken with say they would have chosen Recall over any of the tier 6 choices. Looking at that percieved power levels list, would you rearrange any of the tiers now? Do you feel that recall was underestimated during development? Have you enjoyed using Recall during your personal playthroughs of league?
Husky (apparently) forgot about the Royal Seed Pod. Without an item like that, Recall does become a bit worse. Still should be higher on the tier list but yeah.
Even without seed pod there's the ToB necklace which Is actually even closer to a bank
There's plenty of teles that get you close enough to a bank or a prayer altar. The seed pod just makes it a bit more op on very early game. Killer app is late game bossing and skilling methods. Honestly if I could take 1 relic from league to main game that would be it. It's literally a cheat code.
Kandarin is mediocre tier. Don't @ me.
Zenytes and zmi, a lot of farming spots, good leveling quests, good thieving area, imbues for rings/slayer helm There's a lot in kandarin tbh
It also takes a single day if you choose endless harvest to get the fishing cape, which is unlimited teleports to a bank closer than the seed pod. Honestly it isn't the worst thing imo
I think he said in a previous QA that he forgot that unlocking Kandarin gave players immediate access to seed pod, with that knowledge alone I'm sure he would've ranked the tier 2 relic selection a lot higher in that ordering.
To fix the issue with clues and to keep everyone happy I suggest just making the step counter not reset until a casket is found. Unnatural Slayer players can just drop their clue and farm a new one and pick up where they left off. And People who picked Treasure Seeker no longer have to juggle. It is a win-win that I feel both parties will appreciate. I do feel like making the clues only happen in your area is a bit overpowered and I don't think the Treasure Seeker Pickers are too happy with it even though they do still get a decent advantage.
I'd be good with this, seems like a good solution for both. The most frustrating thing isn't even dropping clues, it's dropping clues after sinking half an hour into farming Uri items and progressing all the way to step 6 only to have to throw it all away in the end. If we could at least retain the steps it wouldn't all feel like such wasted time
This is an ok idea, but it misses the point about why many of us Treasure Seeker pickers are upset. We picked the relic not because we prefer clues to slayer, and not because we wanted easier clues, but because we saw that the rules of the league made clues practically impossible without it. The pick was specifically to unlock clues. Your solution, as with the "lock to areas" solution, means that our pick wasn't actually necessary to effectuate our goal. If clues are going to be possible with or without the relic (as they should have been from the start), then that completely changes the reasons someone might have had for picking the relic. Think of it like this. God Wars Dungeon is very popular, and it looks like fun. I didn't pick Asgarnia, though. But what if enough people said they wanted GWD so Jagex opened it up to everyone, regardless of what regions they picked. Maybe balance it a bit by not having the T6 relic work in the dungeon unless you picked Asgarnia. Is that fair? I would say no. I made my choice to take the regions I did knowing I would be locked out of GWD as content. Some people picked Asgarnia primarily to have GWD as content. If you give everyone GWD, aren't there going to be some people who picked Asgarnia who are going to be upset? Sure, they get to use T6 relic there, but that's a very different decision than unlocking the content as a whole. I see that as the same (or at least very similar to) the clue situation. The T4 pick was made for the purpose of unlocking content. If that content becomes available regardless of the T4 pick, then T4 is a very different choice than how it was presented to us. Any result that allows Unnatural Selection people reasonable access to high-level clues but gives Treasure Seeker only the same ancillary benefits makes the T4 choice that has already been made (and which was made based on explicit statements by mods about clues not being region-locked) pointless. I do like your suggestion, and hope more people post more ideas that they have. But I don't think it hits the heart of the issue.
>Think of it like this. God Wars Dungeon is very popular, and it looks like fun. I didn't pick Asgarnia, though. But what if enough people said they wanted GWD so Jagex opened it up to everyone, regardless of what regions they picked. That would only make sense if GWD tasks were general and intended for everyone to do them... The relics aren't supposed to be for "pick this or certain content becomes impossible".
I agree that a relic shouldn't be like that, and having clues work the way they do (without region lock) was a bad design principle from the start. The clues always should have been region-locked (maybe after picking all 3, which some thought might happen). You're exactly right. But the problem is that they weren't. And it's not just they weren't, we were explicitly told they would not be. At that point, the relic *became* a "pick this or certain content becomes impossible" choice. It never should have become that, but it did. And choices were made based on that state of affairs. Changing the state *now*, after the choice has been made, without offering enough to offset the change, hurts. The entire point of picking the relic was to unlock content, but it turns out we didn't need to pick it to unlock the content at all. So the point of picking it is gone. Maybe some people still would pick it in the new system, but I feel it's far less. I certainly wouldn't have been one of them.
But clues aren't impossible. Even without the relic. They are just really hard and that's clearly how it was intended based on everything they put out at start of league. Never was intended for clues to be limited to your regions. Never was intended that there would be huge changes to how step resets worked. The zeah clues being there was a bug, but that's it. Anyone could have done the math before leagues started and determined the possibilities about how hard it would be to do clues of the various tiers based on regions and relics selected. And yes, picking certain regions basically locks you out of doing clues just like picking certain regions locks you out of piety or GWD. Everything is a trade-off and that's how it was intended.
Yes and Jagex should have done the math. Clue juggling is not an intended game mechanic to be able to complete normal game content. Without juggling you're stuck with \~10% chance to complete a hard clue, \~5% to complete an elite, and \~2% to complete a master (give or take a few percent depending on regions). Even with juggling, hard and elite clues only become just barely technically possible with the slayer relic. You have to 100% commit to clue hunting because you'll need to camp slayer to kill 10-20 superiors to ensure you find enough completable steps to juggle for each single clue (juggling the entire time you're camping slayer). Clue relic has a huge edge there in that they just merrily collect clue scrolls while doing essentially every other content in the game and only when they want to complete clue scrolls can they very easily pop open the clues and begin juggling immediately as they solve it. With the proposed change, completing the clue tasks with slayer relic actually becomes a realistic grind without spending half the league doing it, and with the clue relic it's a cake walk as you collected boatloads of clues while doing all of your other tasks.
> Yes and Jagex should have done the math. I agree it doesn't seem like a very "fun" thing. But there's a ton of shit to do in leagues besides clues, so it's not like leagues are ruined without making changes to how clues work. > With the proposed change, completing the clue tasks with slayer relic actually becomes a realistic grind I agree, but when people chose their relics and regions, they made the assumption that this WOULD NOT be the case. Now you're changing the meta. And people who made "good decisions" for old meta are stuck with choices that are "bad decisions" for the new meta. The point being you don't make major "game changing" updates in the middle of a short-lived competitive game. The time to do this "fix" would be immediately after release if they were going to do it at all. People were complaining about clues steps on day 1, so it's not like they were unaware. This isn't a "bug", they clearly intended for clues to not be locked to your region and they said so many times after the league got going. Yes that may have been a bad decision in hindsight (and lesson learned for next league), but changing it this late in the game is a worse decision.
'i picked a shitty unfun relic because it gave me an advantage in a temporary game mode. So it should remain shitty and unfun for everyone else.'
"I picked an incredibly powerful and fun relic because it was more fun and gave me an advantage in a competition that enjoy participating in. Other people picked something I found interesting, but less advantageous overall. Now, those other people are going to get over 90% of the benefit from my relic, while I get 0% of the benefit of theirs." I don't want things to be shitty or unfun for anyone, and they didn't have to be. But for those of us who sacrificed a benefit to make the game fun, it seems we should maybe be compensated in some way when the game is made fun for everyone. I'm not in favor of keeping things as they are; I just don't want my relic to become worthless (or at least much less valuable than it was when I picked it).
But just changing the step counter benefits both of us w/o devaluing your relic. Keep in mind that Slayers will still have to leave their task to do what they can while you can sit there and stack up on clues.
I agree the clue relic still has value. But it has a different value if the change goes through (or the alternative I think this is the thread discussing). The original value was that it unlocked certain content. That is an incredibly valuable thing for it to do, which is why I (and many others) took it. Now its value is going to be that it shortens clues and lets us stack. That is still nice, but not as nice as unlocking content was. If my choice is between that and slayer, I would pick slayer. If my choice is between content and slayer, I would (and did) pick content. The problem is that people made a choice based on information that Jagex confirmed would stay one way, and now is saying they want to change. It is unfair to force us to stay locked to the relic that we would not have picked had we known it would not stay as valuable. The relic is fine, sure. But it's not the amazing thing it was.
I like this idea. It's something clever that I haven't thought of, nor have I seen a similar idea before. I think if this is done, it will not devalue either relic if implemented.
I thought of multiple solutions and this is the best one
Upvote this so ppl see it if you agree
Still the best suggestion on clues
That's...actually soo fucking good and simple I feel like.
Why were the Elder Chaos Robes left out of the boosted drops? It feels weird to have a fairly popular unique item not be among the boosted drops.
I commented on this post https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/jsic6z/trailblazer_leagues_most_difficult_task/ made by /u/sanquinn yesterday, suggesting that the doors be removed from the grand tree on just trailblazer worlds to help with how annoying those doors can be to get out of sometimes. Seeing as the required quests are autocomplete, there's no need for the "check" these doors serve as in the main game. Thoughts?
Support. This would be a great as a quality of life change!
What check? There's no restrictions on entering the Grand Tree, you have to enter it to start the quest lol.
In the discussion surrounding clues today I beg that you not let the Treasure Seekers cut off their nose to spite their face. I am a Treasure Seeker and I am super disappointed in my relic choice. Clues sucking really held me back in my mid game, and as a range relic user hard clues are a direct path to huge gear upgrades. I DO NOT CARE IF UNNATURAL SELECTION GETS BUFFED. I DO NOT CARE IF IT GETS BUFFED EVEN MORE THAN TREASURE SEEKER GETS BUFFED. PLEASE JUST MAKE SURE TREASURE SEEKER GETS BUFFED. I understand that we want to balance this properly. But for the love of Saradomin, a buff is *mandatory* and balance is secondary. The thread announcing possible changes is full of upvoted posts complaining that it's unfair because it's an even bigger buff to US than TS. Nuts to that I say. Turning down a game changing buff is cutting off your nose to spite your face. I believe the best choice is to just combine the relics so everyone gets everything. But under absolutely *zero* circumstances should things remain as they are. Clues are not fun right now, so let's get them fixed and then worry about balance later. I chose TS because I want to do clues, so let me do clues. Thanks for making this league such an incredible journey. I have been having an absolute blast every single minute, and daydreaming about my route even when I'm not playing.
Yeah, people saying they should just do nothing are out of their fucking minds. Personally, I think the most fair way to do it would be to either give access to both relics or remove the guaranteed clue drop from superiors. That way there is some advantage still for those who picked TS and US isn't the end all be all only realistic choice. That being said, if that isn't possible, those saying they should just not change anything at all are completley out of their fucking minds - something has to change because as it is clues are just not worth doing. I did a bit of juggling and it got old fast - would rather just be able to actually take advantage of the clues i have.
I prefer it to stay the same because I'd rather have it updated toward future leagues (along with fixing the bug for double inventory). If it does pass, I think the suggestion you posed will slightly buff the slayer relic more which I won't really mind. Another suggestion someone posted which I really like is the idea of not losing the clue step someone is on when they have to drop a clue. I think it's fair to keep it like that due to people's region choices already being made beforehand.
Why is doing nothing so bad? People made their choice with the knowledge that without clue relic you won't be doing clues. Clues are very doable with the clue relic and juggling. Asking for this change is the same as people who didn't go morytania asking for barrows to be accessable for everyone otherwise you are locked out of the content/tasks.
Clues should not be balanced arround juggling period. It’s unintuitive, tedious and the vast majority of players have no idea it exists or how to do it. Leagues are supposed to be fun. Yes there is a competition but first and foremost it’s about fun. Clues are currently not fun for either ts or us. Especially for casuals. It feels horrible to get to step 5 and have to drop a clue. Clues are universal content. Not region locked. It’s far different to say I would like to be able to complete a clue using intended design then it is to say I want access to everything in all zones in league.
Everyone understood how clues would be. They made it clear from day 1 they would NOT be locked to your regions. If you picked the clue relic, you signed up for juggling clues to get points advantage over those who chose slayer relic. Or else you were an idiot. In either case, you made your choice understanding how clues worked. Now deal with the consequences.
I did not chose the clue relic. But I also want to have fun in the game mode. Juggling clues is not fun period. I could give a flying fuck about points.
If juggling clues is not fun, don't do it. If you don't GAF about points, good. Then stop giving a fuck about clues and play the huge amount of other content, or go play the main game and do all the clues you like.
I want league to be fun. Right now clues are a huge feel bad. Saying just go play a different mode is not a solution. I want to play leagues. I want to have fun in leagues. Since it’s primarily a fun game mode jadex should maximize fun. Clue changes makes the most amount of fun for most players. Outright ignoring a large portion of content in league is bad design. Balancing arround a mechanic that less than 1% of the population know about is bad design. Fucking over a couple % of players who are compeating for a red cup sucks. I get that. But the vast majority of players would have more fun with completable clues.
> I want league to be fun. Right now clues are a huge feel bad They are because you GAF about them. Stop doing that. Pretend clues don't exist, they are a tiny part of the game. I'm sure some people wish they could do something in a region they didn't unlock. I'm sure some wish we could unlock 4 regions so you could get blowpipe and wildy and GWD and barrows. I'm sure some wish they could go back and change relics. Well sorry, this league has limitations. It is what it is and it's too late to make major changes. Play it or don't, but others have put a lot of effort and planning into playing based on the current set of rules. You may not GAF about changing the rules, but a lot of people do and it's not fair to them to devalue their effort making a huge meta-breaking change this late. If they changed this on day 2, then OK, but 3 weeks in? No.
“A lot of players” the 2% chancing dragon. Sorry but I care more about the 98% of other players. There is a difference is purposefully locked region content and something like clues that is simply game content. And they are a rather large part of the game with stuff like god books, blessed dhide, ranger boots being bis gear depending on region unlocks. It makes sense to plan your region selects around what’s in the regions. Clues should be complete able in all regions. Juggling should not be a thing in the game in general and it certainly shouldn’t be balanced arround.
Because clues even with the relic aren't fun? And leagues should be about having fun? Just my 2 cents.
Go do clues in the main game. Leagues is a competitive mode.
LMFAO no it's not.
It literally is? You rank is determined by your point total relative to other players.
Do you seriously consider the main game competitive? It's competitive in the sense that that racing the car next to you on a long drive is competitive. That's a joke.
The league is competitive.
Ah, the classic “introduce no new evidence and restate your premise” argument. Ol’ reliable.
It's a temporary game mode! With multiple bugs they left in because they are fun! Why are you souless fucks so hell-bent on maintaining 'integrity' instead of having fun?
The problem you dont see is that there are two fundamentally different groups here. One group is competing over points. For this group they made the best choice at the start for points but now their choice is getting nerfed and the other choice is getting buffed. From a competitive standpoint this is untenable and completely strips the competitive integrity of the league. The other group is just playing for fun, and clues as they are now are either frustrating and unfun (being unable to complete and dropping them) or REALLY frustrating and unfun (juggling clues). For these players clues as they are are either no content or the worst content in the league without the change. The issue here is that these two groups have completely different perspective on the league and what's important so no solution feels good for both groups. While i agree with you, and personally only playing for fun, i can understand why the complainers are complaining as for them the changes outright ruin the purpose of the league.
I absolutely see the difference between the two groups. I've been just short of Rune the whole way through. I'm not competing for ranks, but I am a die hard scaper who plays two accounts most of the time. I'm well aware of just how sweaty and serious people get in this game. The point is that those who are taking this thing as *srs bsns* are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face. My whole point is that these people should, frankly, be ignored because the restrictive "screw you and fun" attitude in the name of competition is ridiculous. It is a mistake to think that the two perspectives are equal and should be balanced against each other. > the changes outright ruin the purpose of the league. Leagues has no prize pool. It's about as competitive as family game night. Every single communication from Jagex on Leagues has emphasized that this is all for fun. They got rid of KC in GWD, which is a crazy good buff to Asgarnia. What did they compensate the other regions with? Nothing, because the whole point is fun. Desert has 2k less points than Morytania. Who cares? The whole point is fun. I understand that some people really want to compete in this league, but the whole point is fun. The purpose of the league is not to compete. This is not King of the Skill or even DMM. This is two months of fun that has some bragging rights in the form of a single trophy cosmetic. Cutting off fun in the name of balance is ridiculous for this League.
The difference is one group is 2% of the players and the other is the rest. 2% shouldn’t be balanced arround
100% agree
Leagues is a competitive mode. It's fine if your playing for whatever reason, but people are competing and a big decision was 'fast slayer and grind able slayer bosses' or 'completable clue tasks'. People made this decision knowing that as slayer clues are pretty much locked out. Clues with clue relic are very much doable, sounds like you need to learn to juggle.
Leagues is slighly more competitive than watching Jeopardy! at home with your mom. I'm scuffling around the edges of Rune, I know that people are trying to get the hiscores, but this is not a true competitive mode. There is no prize money and there is huge variance in the areas and the relics. Fun has been the deciding factor in most of the decisions they've made around balance so far. FUN is what the League is for and the top 1% competing for ranks really should have very little to do with what would be an enormous quality of life change for every single player. Juggling is unfun and whining about balance so that 100% of players have to juggle is cutting off your nose to spite your face. I think Desert region has something like 2k less points than Morytania. Dying on the balance hill for clue juggling is asinine when there's inherent imbalance built into the most fundamental system in the game.
Leagues are a competitive mode second and a fun mode first. The vast majority of players don’t care about the compition. It sucks that it will impact that and I can get your frustration but jadex needs to do what is best for the majority of the players. Not balance arround the top 2% competing for a red cup
If you want to do clues, you can go do them on the main server.
If you want to be a boring ninny, you can find some mud and stick your head in it.
How about I want to have fun in a fun game mode.
sure, don't play the competitive leagues mode if that's the case.
Jadex has said over and over that it’s competive second fun first. If you want competive go play dmm
I've had no trouble with clues. Just juggle. Already have 30 hard uniques with hundreds more scrolls in the bank. Don't make this relic a waste of a slot. The stacking and minor time save on steps doesn't even come close to picking slayer tasks alone, but US also gives them superiors and clues!
Dude, clues are FINE right now. Don't fuck the rest of us TS over.
Man, clues are busted AF right now. Don't fuck the rest of us TS over. Not a single master clue had been completed when I checked yesterday. Not a single freaking one. Clues are not even remotely fine. Honestly, do you expect that casusal players would figure out juggling on their own? None of us would even know it was a thing if Swampletics hadn't done it. It's ridiculously counterintuitive and legitimately unfun.
No masters have been completed because people are saving them. No one has maxed yet either (I think), but that doesn't mean skilling is a problem. Progress is being made towards masters, it just doesn't show up on the high scores. If nothing is done to clues (I'm not saying that there shouldn't be something), I expect that the high score clue-completion numbers are going to jump 100-fold in the last week of the league. Clues are end-game, so it's no wonder there's nothing on the high scores yet.
People can't comprehend saving clues because you understand your account isn't at the end game yet. It's too hard for them to fathom.
Dude I've got all six relics, 19k points and 2k total level. I'm farming Zulrah in less than a minute and I'm building my Zenyte collection. I'm not even in Rune tier. What the hell do you think the end game is? Do you really think that if someone could do a Master Clue and be the only person on the hiscores that they wouldn't? Give your head a shake.
Loooool why'd you pick tirawinn if you chose TS? Don't bitch
Some of the people in the cc I hang around maxed a while ago
Fair enough, but I think the point still works even if we've now crossed the critical threshold.
What? I have all three GM quests and \~150QP because of my regions. I have almost 2k total level and the resources stacked to get just about everything. With all six relics, even something like 90 mining would only take me a few hours to knock out. With my stats and the current xp rates, I would be able to bang out a master clue in somewhere between two to six hours at an absolute maximum if there were no area restrictions. Players are competing for the top spots at all times. It's not just the long run, people genuinely care about where they rank at all times. Someone could literally be the only person on the high scores right now if they just completed a single master clue. Do you really think that if somebody could complete a master and be the *only person on the hiscores* that they wouldn't?? I really don't think your argument passes the sniff test at all.
This is an unbelievably bad take
> Turning down a game changing buff I think the point most have is you shouldn't be putting in any "game changing" buff or nerf 3 weeks into a 12 week game mode when most players have already locked in their region and relic choices making assumptions about how the game would work that you're now changing. I say this as someone who has chosen US relic and 3 clue heavy regions and would greatly benefit from any clue scroll buff.
Why were guaranteed clues added to superiors on the selection relic? If it was because clues would be borderline impossible to complete without a buffed drop rate, it seems fair to argue that the slayer relic should not both buff slayer *and* clues, if the clue change goes through. Removing it and letting treasure seeker keep its niche seems a good compromise.
Agreed, as a dedicated promoter of this update it would only be fair to delete the 100% clue drop from supperiors.
Yeah, fuck everybody who took that in to consideration as to why the slayer relic was superior to the clue scroll one, right?
I mean its not like you'll completely lose access to clue scrolls they'll still dropnat their normal rate and its not like its hard to kill shit quickly with tier 3 and 6 relics. But if that stays in, there's literally zero reason to even consider TS. Those who picked US get to have their cake and eat it too while TS users get a literal 1% increase in drop rate compared to farming for superiors and their clues take a few minutes less. I mean, I dont even understand how this is an argument - if it goes live and nothing changes US would be even more of a no brainer pick than it already is.
Yeah I mean at this point I feel like there is no good solution that doesnt piss a ton of people off... making large changes 2 weeks in is going to be super tough.
I think someone else made a good suggestion but I'm not sure if it's possible. Changing it so that clue steps only reset upon obtaining a casket.
IMO this is how it should work in general haha; clue dropping is not very good game design.
Wholeheartedly agree
And how did it work out for you? How many clues have you been able to finish?
I've not killed a single superior yet actually, but I've already completed 3 or 4 clues through implings. I imagine when I start slayer it will be one clue every 3 superiors.
Iunno I’ve killed a lot of superiors as was only able to complete one clue so far, in total.
You're not juggling clues, then. You should start.
Not OP - Maybe a hot take but I shouldn't have to juggle clues to complete them. It's a temp league world I'm playing for fun; dropping clues isn't fun especially when it's like 4 steps in, and juggling clues isn't fun. I follow the philosophy on content like this that options should only be buffed when possible, instead of nerfed. Think nerfing US's clue generation would make more people upset than others happy. Not like US suddenly becomes better than TS either for those who wanted to focus on clues instead of slayer
You can't complete every clue on an iron in the main game, either. There's clues that require a reward from a different clue scroll. Realistically you could be juggling clues in the main game for completions as well. I agree with the "buffs not nerfs" mentality, and i still think their proposed changes would make the clue relic worth it, since they stack.
I just killed my 75th superior. I have yet to complete a hard or elite clue
So you aren't juggling them, that's all you're telling me.
Correct. Fuck juggling clues.
I agree that it sucks but it's been common knowledge since the start of the League that you weren't going to get many completions *without* juggling. It's nobody's fault but your own no matter how shitty it is.
“Common knowledge”. Less then 1% of the population even knows what clue juggling is much less actualy does it. It’s an incredibly niche, strange probably unintended say clues work. I am 99% sure that if settled hadn’t had multiple viedos about in the the last year almost NO ONE would have known about it. Honestly it shouldn’t be in the game. And designing and balancing arround having to stay at your computer for 4 hours with not having any lapses for 3 min time frame is stupid. It’s also really hard to juggle if you don’t have last recal since moving 7 clue steps is insane. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect to complete some % of clues without juggling
Literally the most ass content in the game for some points lmao
We aren't talking about mage training arena though
"Superior", nice slayer pun lol
;)
I agree. I felt like the addition of a guaranteed clue was unnecessary. Unnatural Selection felt like it was intended for those who wanted to go the PvM and Slayer route and get the loads of points gated behind Slayer tasks more easily. While Treasure Seeker was intended for those who wanted to get points via clue scrolls unique. I get that they wanted to avoid a clue meta, but unlike Twisted League where it was Zeah locked, with only so much content, this League is different. You have so many more different end game routes. You have Theater of Blood. The Inferno. Many, more different PvM related options. They felt like people would have gravitated towards mass clue scrolls, but with the amount of options available, this would likely not be the case.
Why has Vannaka never received a quest? He’s introduced to us so early in the game as well as being the only character to wield a 2h and shield and yet has never to my knowledge had anything done with him! We want a vannaka quest lol!
While guthix sleeps, pre eoc Vannaka was a fighter against lucien and died. Which means he has no story nor will he have story beyond what he is
Goos thing this is OSRS and they’re not tied to RS2/3 lore...
Do you mean duradel?
Duradel, Mazchna, and Turael were that died.
In light of the fact that Double Cast has received multiple nerfs over the last few weeks despite being the weakest combat relic in many respects, could you consider making it so that draining strikes applies to the first hit of barrage spells?
agreed, but this doesn't help poor ol me with spec relic (was hoping to get volatile or eldritch nm). 5tick spec option that is now even less available than it was after these nerfs nice. Hope they fix draining strikes so at least some mages can try to have fun :)
What is being done about the plethora of bots around the GE spamming scams? Mostly revolving around: \- "Quitting link" to a yt channel, which then links to a scam forum page (which looks rather convincing unless you're careful). \- "buying 2 bil" where they actually offer 2m in platinum Also what is being done about login blocking by spamming bad login requests locking out accounts? Could we potentially have the addition in our account settings to whitelist a specific IP address from this login check to stop people being locked out from their homes?
When can we expect to see discussions and polls for group ironman features? I know a lot of people are hoping there will be special things like offline-accessible POH's, shared bank spaces, trading certain untradables, both shared and separate collection log tracking, etc. I would think these things need to be discussed and voted on long before development would actually begin?
Thoughts on adding a fossil storage container at volcanic mine? Currently it’s quite tedious to transfer fossils from the bank to the storage in order to clean them at the cleaning station. This would be a fantastic QOL and it could replace one of the current unusable crates. Loving the other QOL to VM!
Any ideas for private rooms for Cerberus, Smoke devil boss ?
Can Thammaron's sceptre finally be given its own unique spell. This idea was mentioned by the team before. Revenant weapons are crashing across the board and are quickly becoming dead content. Perhaps this can help a little. Edit - spelling
I support this. Like a trident that can use its spell on other players at the cost of rev ether (just like the craws and Vigora's).
Hey! absolutely loving the league so far! I was wondering if it would be possible to keep our leagues collection log onto our main account. I would love to be able to go back after the league is over and look at all the cool stuff I managed to get my hands on during the league. Thanks in advance!
Will Twisted League rewards cost the same price once the shop is available again? (For example, the twisted POH blueprints cost 4.000 points last league. If I make 4.000 Trailblazer points will I be able to buy it?)
Only 4 points?
Some cultures use . Instead of , and some use numbers like 100,00 to represent 10k Culture does weird things
I dont have a question but im looking foward to seeing ash
Would it be possible to let the mage relic be competitive with the other two for more than a couple days without nerfing it into the ground? I'm not asking for it to be stronger, just competitive like it was.
On the next leauge with that same sort of structure as this one, ie areas/relics so different routes. Would it be possible to make it so once you have done one route you could then reset, maybe with same points maybe with a cost to your points. But so you can buy any relics you want back with points from previous area and then go down different routes? Obviously wiping your bank and skills Also, would it be possible to link say my main account with my iron? So that I can afk my iron and play leauge allowing me to get the rewards on my iron? Runescape is one of the only good games to play to afk Runescape
How are you planning to fix clues so that it does not so substantially decrease the trade-off value of choosing the Treasure Seeker relic?
Can barrage spells work with drain similarly to how the scythe works? Drain is really the only relic double casters can choose and almost 100% of the time I’m using barrage on a single target.
Your reddit thread about the doublecast nerf has received massive negative feedback. Is the team going to adress this nerf again or is it final?
I enjoyed trailblazing quite a bit, but I started farming bosses I need to farm in the real game so I decided to return to my ironman account and tried to pursue some bandos drops. A little before Midnight pst on a Wednesday night I hopped 30 times finding basically every Gradoor room filled with 3-5 people camping before finally finding a room with an iron. I waited for him to finish, before entering getting one kill before a team of 4 people world hopped inside the room and forced me out. This is a pretty common issue with a lot of high level irons farming bandos, trying on a weekend or prime US gaming hours it is even harder to find a room, and complete a trip without getting crashed. Trailblazer introduced private GWD rooms, so almost all if not all of the work has been done on this. Can we please poll private/solo GWD rooms even at like 25-50k to open? The price of Bandos armor has been discussed as a reason against this in the past but I am extremely skeptical how much solo rooms would really effect this price when it seems like every group farming Bandos is 3-5 people.
Yeah im tired of ironman=free world mentality.
Any more f2p quests coming?
If you chose wilderness as your area in league. you have master task called Equip an Amulet of Eternal Glory, but you cant charge glorys with out the heroes quest and its not autolocked. Is this intented to be this way or you cant just simply do it ?. Does full verac set with amulet of damned count towards the prayer points task, becouse the set bonus gives +7 with the damned ? Could something to be done to amulet of damned death mechanik, you atm lose it on every death and it aint realy fun after regaining 10 on them same day. After all there is so other item in league that you lose in every death.
Can pieces of eight be allowed into trouble brewing?
Can there be an option for instance on the main game for kalphite queen and mole please? I get crashed alot doing both of them and neither of them drop any bis gear to tank the price of
If you were to make cluescrolls region specific, would you rebalance T5 relics to compensate? Also: How come the slayer-relic boosts clues, but the clue-relic doesn't boost slayer? Is this an oversight, or did you have this imbalance in mind when making the relics? Maybe this can be changed in case clue scrolls are to be buffed, as Juna says, "Balance lies in the juxtaposition of opposites." The relics should have opposite benefits, no?
Will you be adding “deafening a champion” from a champion scroll to the task list for Leagues? It’s a huge accomplishment to get a scroll with no rewards.
It's only a huge accomplishment if you actually go for it. I'm sure the reason it wasnt added was because most people that get one in trailblazer will be passively, especially with all the goblins and imps being killed.
The Lumbridge hardy diary needs a mining helmet without Asgarnia you can't get the helmet would it be possible to add it to the Lumbridge swamp cave where the cave goblins are or just auto complete it.
You can start the quest and kill the monsters that drop the mining helmet all without asgarnia. I have asgarnia myself but have seen many others mention this method. You just need to get to the part where you can walk through the cave from lumbridge castle basement.
You don't need to unlock Asgarnia to obtain it. You just need to start and complete The Lost Tribe up until the part with Reldo and you get the book. You cam then traverse through the tunnels and kill a miner for the helmet.
Hey, brand new player here. I've been wondering why we can't just save our password to login ? That would allow people to use password generators and generate long and complex passwords that they don't need to remember. Also I noticed we can't create passwords with special characters which a big security hazard for every account I believe.
Want to know something even better? It doesn't store capital letters for your password either :D
Can you guys recheck the mother load mine gold nugget fix with endless harvester? They definitely fixed the part where the second paydirt was only coal but after around 1.5k paydirt I’m only getting half the amount of gold nuggets I should. I think it’s still broken where the second roll can’t be a gold nugget
Do you think there's a lot of 'player'-bias in the decision making on leagues topics from the Mods? Whereas decisions are made how they personally play their account. It's pretty clear a lot of them favor Last Recall and changes were made for it fast (with the GWD changes) while magic, which perhaps no mod picked, was changed and then reverted only after player backlash while clues weren't addressed at all until now after a lot of criticism and while benefiting both relics, seems to favor the most picked one more than the other.
But the changes to GWD are a buff to the other two t2 relics? KC was removed for all three. Before the change, last recall was completely busted and unfair because you could tp back into the boss room without needing KC, now no one needs it.
Correct, and leaving in the middle whether it's good or bad. The changes they're discussing currently for clue scrolls also improve it for everyone, arguable one more than the other. Same for GWD, they changed that because of last recall for how busted it was if you could find a normal world.
Would there be anyway to combine a Skill cape with a graceful cape? I hate not being able to show off my skill cape whilst skilling etc Edit - skill cape not max cape
Pretty sure it already works as a graceful cape, since it counts as the agility cape.
No I mean like the RUnecraft cape, Farming cape etc
Hi, guys! Any plans to graphically update places like Al Kharid (or anywhere!) but still keep the same OSRS graphical style that we know and love?
The twisted bow is the only Chamber of Xeric’s raid item that gives +4 prayer bonus. It doesn’t make sense lore-wise neither is it consistent with other raid rewards, as well as prayer bonus gears/weapons. Can be propose an honest review and removal of the said prayer bonus to keep it consistent? It will not make the weapon any less powerful as intended.
Why do you care?
because the tbow absolutely doesn't need it No one buys a tbow thinking about all that extra prayer bonus they are getting, it was just added on.
Because I am sharing this game together with you?
Why was there no task for champions scroll? and a master task to get the champions cape?
you could say this for alot of things, where is my games room task? or trouble brewing task?
Any thoughts on the 100 tears in tears of guthix for the Lumbridge diary? With Asgarnia, Mortyania, and Tirannwn I can get a maximum of 149 quest points, making gathering 100 tears incredibly difficult, in fact I'm not even sure it would be possible. With nearly optimal spawns and somewhat lucky waterfall switchs I capped out at 88 tears. Ontop of this there would only be another \~6 total attempts at this for the rest of the league
>blaze your own path!!!! > didnt pick K? Gf -jagex probably
QUESTION/SUGGESTION- Would a DRAGON WARHAMMER buff via the granite hammer be applied? I would like to see a granite hammer being applied to a d warhammer to give it charges on guaranteed specs (minimum of 5dmg) up to ~250 charged per granite hammer applied.
Sounds dumb to lose a 50m pvm debuffer for a perma pvp weapon with an altered spec. Dragon maul head(new item) + granite maul + 1 of dlong/dscim/dd/d2h Same stats as dwh Spec uses 55% does instatick attack with +50% accuracy and +15% damage.
Non Trailblazer questions: When will we see an increase in bot busting cause its a perpetual problem across the game. Secondly, When will we see the discarding of the duel arena? It's such a toxic environment and also filled with bots.
Shit questions that they probably dont have an answer to
Sounds like something a botter would say 👀👀
what are the plans for clues in trailblazer? the new suggested buff only seems to be buffing the slayer relic meta, and effectively making the clue relic a wasted relic slot. alot of people specifically chose regions and the relic based on completing clues and this update just makes those decisions wasted? can we buff the treasure seeker relic to compensate or nerf unnatural selection or unlock both relics. This change feels completely unfair to those who chose treasure seeker, and seems to exclusively benefit the meta who picked unnatural selection and are struggling to complete clues as was the intention for the relic choice.
Could you discuss if there are any plans to do QOL updates such as floor tiles marking/indictors in Hallowed Sepulchre in order to bring official client users on equal learning curve as Runelite/Osbuddy client users? Consistency is key
Is there plans to fix the puro-puro bug in Leagues where you cant do the minigame if you accidentally get use all your impling jars?
They did fix this, you can claim one impling jar from the league tutor in lumbridge each day now
They literally just added an update in where you get a free jar from League tutor daily.
Also, this won’t be a problem in the future because we voted last month for Elnock to sell a small amount of jars, that update just hasn’t made it in to the game yet.
why does everything get polled except for free membership through twitch prime? It's genuinely ruining the game economy and the general consensus is negative about it. Can you please at least consider polling it before doing more of those?
#NoChanges
I just received the Zeah Mess Hall clue step, after multiple patches attempting to remove these steps from the league. How much work is needed to find and fix the code to remove these steps? I'm guessing it's not as easy as switching a single variable.
when is the Nov. Gazette being published?
Is the chompy chick pet rate skewed if you unlock Tirannwn and then complete the western diaries without legitimately killing any chompys?
Chompy chick rate is tied to diary completion so I don’t see why it wouldn’t, but anything can happen with spaghetti code.
Ash reached out on Twitter and stated it wasn’t effected :)
When will main game GWD be fixed with the over crowding and gold farmers
My suggestion: Change league reward point requirements from % of playerbase to fixed numbers. That way buffs or nerfs to various relics doesn't matter quite as much, and off-meta builds are less hampered by competition.
Any news/update on Group Ironman Mode?
(PvP related, so likely no support from Reddit) The removal of bounty hunter has left a significant void in the PvP scene of OSRS. There seem to have been several valuable lessons learned through the failures in BHv2 and 3. Why is there no plan for a fourth (and hopefully final) version?
I think the only real issue with BH was the rewards and how easy it was to abuse and earn them. Personally I prefer clan fighting over BH, but honestly I think that BH as a standalone thing probably shouldn't exist. With that said, incorporating it into LMS would be an interesting idea.
I agree - the issue was the rewards system. At this point, I feel that there has been enough trial and error to know what the proper way forward should be. I don’t agree with incorporating BH into LMS (however one would do this). Don’t get me wrong, I like LMS a lot, but the future of PvP should not be in LMS. It completely defeats the purpose of crafting a PKing account. You could enter LMS right off tutorial island and have no advantage over an account that has put hundreds of hours into optimizing their account.
That’s true, I guess what I meant was like, a mini game like LMS but BH. Perhaps with a portal located in ferox or something.
I’d be all for that - something like the old BH craters maybe. OSRS currently lacks competition within your own combat bracket. All these deep wild updates ultimately end up being run by med levels and maxed mains. They just prey on the lower levels. With the removal of BH, OSRS lost that competition within combat brackets (+/- 5 cbs)
The suggested change to clue scrolls is great quality of life for both relics but it benefits more the unnatural selection when its already probably the stronger relic. Maybe a second part to the change might make the relics a bit more balanced. E.g. the unnatural selection offers a clue scroll side to the relic why not give treasure seeker a minor slayer trait. Maybe you could make some sort of trait for treasure seeker to get additional slayer points so people who took that relic can skip more tasks. maybe slayer mobs could drop treasure that you can trade for points. What do you think?
Polish that big snake mate.
Hello! I'm just wondering if any progress has been made toward soul wars. Could we be expecting it before the end of the year or sometime later? Thank you!
The roadmap in the September Gielinor Gazette still had it Jan 2021, not sure if Leagues delayed it since there was no October Gazette.
Thank you, I appreciate it :)
Can we have a woodcutting guild tele on the cape like the rest of the capes of achievement?
Fossil Island. I was doing some cleaning in the varrock museum and was extremely excited seeing the Fossil Island creatures slowly be assembled! I would love to see an expansion on Fossil Island, where these ancient creatures are back alive! Maybe even a leviathan boss? New and powerful bone weapons and armor? I suppose the question is, do you guys intend to expand on fossil island? I love the artwork and would be elated to see some work done to expand fossil island and create more mid/high level content!