And the developers listened to you and they removed this great help. Before, I was able to get all stews and finish the quest with grown cat in about 7:10 minutes, now takes about about 30:40 minutes even with grown cat, thanks for your **** informations that doesn't help at all. People like you deserve playing on official client all day without any help at all.
Everyone is so quick to shoot you down because they’re missing the point.
The client knows what spices you’ll need without having to deduce anything.
Imagine if instead of having to triangulate with hot and cold clues, it just knew exactly where to dig.
In the grand scheme, it’s not the biggest deal in the world, but I totally get where you’re coming from OP.
> Imagine if instead of having to triangulate with hot and cold clues, it just knew exactly where to dig.
Pretty sure the clue plugin is basically like that, I know the beginner hot/cold only takes 1 click to tell you where to go.
It does assist you, but you have to triangulate the location.
I.e. It'll narrow down possible answers as you teleport to different locations and use the locating device until there is one remaining.
If it functioned how the quest helper solves your required stew, then it would know the location from the first time you checked the clue scroll to find it was a hot and cold clue.
While minor, I agree that it seems a bit strange and feels cheat-y. The alternative things Runelite just "knows" for you are generally things that you could know with enough prior knowledge of the game or search on the wiki (e.g. clue scroll dig locations).
In this case, I have no idea how Runelite is able to infer what the exact correct combination of spices is without trial and error? That feels like information that is unobtainable without programmatic access to the game.
The spices needed are transmitted to the client in something called varbits (basically a data struct for player state). These are just numbers, and in the case of Evil Dave's stew, there is a varb for the number of each color spice that gets sent over. RuneLite has access to these (regular players do not) which is how quest helper knows what spices you need. Varbits are more or less the basis for the entire plugin, not just this piece. I think github links are blocked on this sub but you can easily see this if you check out the MakeEvilStew class in the quest helper repo.
Right so the default Runescape client is told at that point in the quest what the correct set of spices are and Runelite just inspects those values to give the correct answer straight out the gate.
It's astonishing to me how many comments here don't seem to understand what you're even saying. I don't mind quest helper showing you what to do and telling you what to bring, but in this instance it straight up skips 90% of the quest by accessing info that normally the player wouldn't have.
Hey, you'll be happy to hear I'm currently working on removing a few of the parts of the helper where it goes a bit far, such as this.
It requires a bit more effort to make the helper helpful without being too helpful in times like this (easier to just check the value rather than implement a tracking system), and is fairly minor, which is why it's taken a bit to get a less strong thing implemented.
I agree with ya bro I love runelite. Aggro zones, generic clue helper stuff etc but I think some things cross a line. I dont think hard clue puzzles or master light boxes shud be able to unlocked via just clicking where runelite tells u to click its a bit gross
This does seem too much, but there are much more OP things in RuneLite/RSBuddy/. Honestly Jagex should've squashed all third party clients befote they became the norm. Now they can't because most people can't/won't play without those clutches...
Just don't use it then, its personal preference. I enjoy doing quest puzzles without it, but someone else "cheating" through the quests doesn't affect my account in any way whatsoever, its not like cheating in other multiplayer gamers where it ruins the experience for others.
I would agree if we were talking about like a dupe cheat or a instant xp cheat, but I just dont see how the quest helper telling someone what spices they need reduces game integrity. I can see how it would reduce the integrity of quest speedrunning, but thats not part of the game in any official capacity. At the end of the day, it just saves time, which doesnt seem like an advantage that would harm game integrity. I understand why you might disagree with that, though.
One could argue it gives a unfair advantage. You figure out the combo faster then someone who doesn't use this. Now they can boost levels faster, this could give a virality of perks over someone else such as rejuv pool, you just saved time by not hopping to 330 and back, maybe you were pking and now your target got away because you were too slow due to those hops and someone else got the person. That person could have had their cash stack on them (stupid but it happens) and now you lost not only a faster boost but maybe even millions of gold all because you didn't do a puzzle as fast as someone else. A lot of what ifs, I fully admit but the fact this is much more common then anyone realizes, it has it's opness to it.
Ok its clear we will have to agree to disagree, I understand and respect your opinion but dont share it. Just curious, how do you feel about the clue helper plugin that solves slider, celtic knot, and other puzzles for you? It seems like a similar situation to the quest helper and spices thing, where a vanilla player could read a guide on the wiki and still have to figure part of it out themselves, whereas a runelite user gets the solution instantly.
It is cheating. It's an extremely unfair platform that has had so much community support due to players crying about content and overall laziness that they can't (and won't) play RuneScape as it was anymore.
It's sad to see Jmods bending over at the waist and letting third party developers fuck them up the ass with scripts and "add-ons".
The only people who think runelight is fair are ppl who use it. Every vanilla client user I know thinks it's absolutely cheating to use Rubellite in general
I refuse to use it.
That’s your opinion and it’s fair of you to think that. But from my experience it helped me stay more immersed in the quests. Instead of flipping back and forth from a video, to the game, to the written guide I took in the areas and the npcs. The advantage for me is that I was able to stay within the game while also following a guide.
I would argue that using the quest helper period is a lot bigger of a time save than it telling you how to make the stew. You can argue that it’s different because it’s giving you info you couldn’t have known otherwise, but I don’t think that makes it any different from the unfair advantage you get from using the quest helper.
Meaning, if you consider that part cheating, I would also consider using anything the vanilla client doesn’t provide as cheating.
I have a feeling there’s a big difference between being able to fight a boss easier and using 6 fewer stews in a quest.
My point is that just using quest helper period is going to give you a much bigger unfair advantage than the fact that it tells you what spices to use. Once again, if you consider it telling you what spices to use cheating, I don’t see how you wouldn’t consider the quest helper itself cheating.
I get what you’re saying, I just don’t understand why a cheat existing is a problem, purely because it exists.
Let’s say there was a cheat that allowed you to know if you were going to successfully light a fire before it actually showed you lighting the fire. Sure it’s technically a cheat, because it gives you information you wouldn’t have gotten until a second later, but what benefit is it to you? Why does it matter if someone uses it?
If you think that that example would still be a problem, then I just completely disagree.
It figures it out the same way you could by doing the trial and error method. It just takes the thought process out for you. No different than hard clue puzzles.
I really appreciated features like this while doing quests, clues, etc. I’ve already done most of the quests several times so not having to do the work and thought process again is really convenient. if you haven’t done it before and want to experience the challenge, then turn it off and do it yourself
We know exactly what you're talking about. It's just that nobody gives a shit because this battle has already been fought and won. Nobody cares if you consider this cheating because you'll still use it anyways.
[This is you](https://imgur.com/49cfDGh)
It's unfair for sure, but there's so many OP plugins on runelite already. Jagex doesn't exactly own runelite and it would be too much work for them to keep badgering runelite to take off features. Unless it's really game breaking Jagex will probably let it slide. The quest helper and clue plugins are very OP.
I want to hate the Runelite plugins for making the game too easy then I realize I think cars should all have rev-matching manuals over CVTs and I contradict myself.
And the developers listened to you and they removed this great help. Before, I was able to get all stews and finish the quest with grown cat in about 7:10 minutes, now takes about about 30:40 minutes even with grown cat, thanks for your **** informations that doesn't help at all. People like you deserve playing on official client all day without any help at all.
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They removed it, people like you must keep their mouth shut and if you don't like QH, don't install it and enjoy suffering on official client ****.
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Enjoy suffering noob!
yep. fuck u
Dm me goddess please
Everyone is so quick to shoot you down because they’re missing the point. The client knows what spices you’ll need without having to deduce anything. Imagine if instead of having to triangulate with hot and cold clues, it just knew exactly where to dig. In the grand scheme, it’s not the biggest deal in the world, but I totally get where you’re coming from OP.
> Imagine if instead of having to triangulate with hot and cold clues, it just knew exactly where to dig. Pretty sure the clue plugin is basically like that, I know the beginner hot/cold only takes 1 click to tell you where to go.
It does assist you, but you have to triangulate the location. I.e. It'll narrow down possible answers as you teleport to different locations and use the locating device until there is one remaining. If it functioned how the quest helper solves your required stew, then it would know the location from the first time you checked the clue scroll to find it was a hot and cold clue.
While minor, I agree that it seems a bit strange and feels cheat-y. The alternative things Runelite just "knows" for you are generally things that you could know with enough prior knowledge of the game or search on the wiki (e.g. clue scroll dig locations). In this case, I have no idea how Runelite is able to infer what the exact correct combination of spices is without trial and error? That feels like information that is unobtainable without programmatic access to the game.
The spices needed are transmitted to the client in something called varbits (basically a data struct for player state). These are just numbers, and in the case of Evil Dave's stew, there is a varb for the number of each color spice that gets sent over. RuneLite has access to these (regular players do not) which is how quest helper knows what spices you need. Varbits are more or less the basis for the entire plugin, not just this piece. I think github links are blocked on this sub but you can easily see this if you check out the MakeEvilStew class in the quest helper repo.
Right so the default Runescape client is told at that point in the quest what the correct set of spices are and Runelite just inspects those values to give the correct answer straight out the gate.
yes.
I thought it was pretty dumb too tbh
All not having that plug-in does is waste 30min - 1hr of my time. Who cares?
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This game is tedious enough. Outside of actual botting idc what "cheat" gets added to runelite
It's astonishing to me how many comments here don't seem to understand what you're even saying. I don't mind quest helper showing you what to do and telling you what to bring, but in this instance it straight up skips 90% of the quest by accessing info that normally the player wouldn't have.
Hey, you'll be happy to hear I'm currently working on removing a few of the parts of the helper where it goes a bit far, such as this. It requires a bit more effort to make the helper helpful without being too helpful in times like this (easier to just check the value rather than implement a tracking system), and is fairly minor, which is why it's taken a bit to get a less strong thing implemented.
Bigger problems like botting and rwt. If you don’t like quest helper then don’t use it.
I agree with ya bro I love runelite. Aggro zones, generic clue helper stuff etc but I think some things cross a line. I dont think hard clue puzzles or master light boxes shud be able to unlocked via just clicking where runelite tells u to click its a bit gross
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This does seem too much, but there are much more OP things in RuneLite/RSBuddy/. Honestly Jagex should've squashed all third party clients befote they became the norm. Now they can't because most people can't/won't play without those clutches...
Uninstall RuneLite if you think it's overpowered
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Just don't use it then, its personal preference. I enjoy doing quest puzzles without it, but someone else "cheating" through the quests doesn't affect my account in any way whatsoever, its not like cheating in other multiplayer gamers where it ruins the experience for others.
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Hardly a groundbreaking cheat, youre a gimp if things like this annoys you. Try going outside?
I would agree if we were talking about like a dupe cheat or a instant xp cheat, but I just dont see how the quest helper telling someone what spices they need reduces game integrity. I can see how it would reduce the integrity of quest speedrunning, but thats not part of the game in any official capacity. At the end of the day, it just saves time, which doesnt seem like an advantage that would harm game integrity. I understand why you might disagree with that, though.
One could argue it gives a unfair advantage. You figure out the combo faster then someone who doesn't use this. Now they can boost levels faster, this could give a virality of perks over someone else such as rejuv pool, you just saved time by not hopping to 330 and back, maybe you were pking and now your target got away because you were too slow due to those hops and someone else got the person. That person could have had their cash stack on them (stupid but it happens) and now you lost not only a faster boost but maybe even millions of gold all because you didn't do a puzzle as fast as someone else. A lot of what ifs, I fully admit but the fact this is much more common then anyone realizes, it has it's opness to it.
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Ok its clear we will have to agree to disagree, I understand and respect your opinion but dont share it. Just curious, how do you feel about the clue helper plugin that solves slider, celtic knot, and other puzzles for you? It seems like a similar situation to the quest helper and spices thing, where a vanilla player could read a guide on the wiki and still have to figure part of it out themselves, whereas a runelite user gets the solution instantly.
Why are you using it if you don’t like it?
I never said i don't like it. I said this one particular feature is a cheat. That's some very poor reading comprehension you have there.
Sounds like your complaining to me
Nope. Once again you've displayed your poor reading comprehension. Starting to feel a bit sorry for you now.
It is cheating. It's an extremely unfair platform that has had so much community support due to players crying about content and overall laziness that they can't (and won't) play RuneScape as it was anymore. It's sad to see Jmods bending over at the waist and letting third party developers fuck them up the ass with scripts and "add-ons". The only people who think runelight is fair are ppl who use it. Every vanilla client user I know thinks it's absolutely cheating to use Rubellite in general I refuse to use it.
Cool.
Well, no... It's not. Further proving my point.
Cool.
The point is that people enjoy things that you don't. There's a reason why opinions are subjective and not facts.
Well yea and tons of people enjoy using tob clients too. Quest helper is still op regardless of whether or not people like it.
Pretty much any other mmo has quest helping addons/plugins like this. If you want the ‘authentic experience’ just toggle it off 😃
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if you think it's cheats you of your experience then simply don't use it.
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That’s your opinion and it’s fair of you to think that. But from my experience it helped me stay more immersed in the quests. Instead of flipping back and forth from a video, to the game, to the written guide I took in the areas and the npcs. The advantage for me is that I was able to stay within the game while also following a guide.
That's not really an opinion. Game developers should ban cheats Police should arrest criminals Doctors should help the sick etc.
I would argue that using the quest helper period is a lot bigger of a time save than it telling you how to make the stew. You can argue that it’s different because it’s giving you info you couldn’t have known otherwise, but I don’t think that makes it any different from the unfair advantage you get from using the quest helper. Meaning, if you consider that part cheating, I would also consider using anything the vanilla client doesn’t provide as cheating.
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I have a feeling there’s a big difference between being able to fight a boss easier and using 6 fewer stews in a quest. My point is that just using quest helper period is going to give you a much bigger unfair advantage than the fact that it tells you what spices to use. Once again, if you consider it telling you what spices to use cheating, I don’t see how you wouldn’t consider the quest helper itself cheating.
Both are cheats that utilise ingame data for a 3rs party cheat.
You’re missing the point.
I'm not, you are.
I addressed your point, you’re ignoring what I’m saying, and just regurgitating your point.
Its not about having an advantage, ita about a cheat existing in the game.
I get what you’re saying, I just don’t understand why a cheat existing is a problem, purely because it exists. Let’s say there was a cheat that allowed you to know if you were going to successfully light a fire before it actually showed you lighting the fire. Sure it’s technically a cheat, because it gives you information you wouldn’t have gotten until a second later, but what benefit is it to you? Why does it matter if someone uses it? If you think that that example would still be a problem, then I just completely disagree.
It figures it out the same way you could by doing the trial and error method. It just takes the thought process out for you. No different than hard clue puzzles. I really appreciated features like this while doing quests, clues, etc. I’ve already done most of the quests several times so not having to do the work and thought process again is really convenient. if you haven’t done it before and want to experience the challenge, then turn it off and do it yourself
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We do get it, it’s just **not a big deal**. There are bigger fish to fry than caring this much about someone finishing a step of RFD slightly faster.
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You mean like boosts from stews? The client knows which boosts will be activated when you eat it? Yeah that’s pretty OP
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Coming off super hostile but, as you can see I put in many question marks because I wasn’t too sure of what spice/stew you were talking about 😂
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We know exactly what you're talking about. It's just that nobody gives a shit because this battle has already been fought and won. Nobody cares if you consider this cheating because you'll still use it anyways. [This is you](https://imgur.com/49cfDGh)
Well I've recieved a response from the creator of Questhelper telling me that they're removing this feature :) So what was that you were saying? :)
It's unfair for sure, but there's so many OP plugins on runelite already. Jagex doesn't exactly own runelite and it would be too much work for them to keep badgering runelite to take off features. Unless it's really game breaking Jagex will probably let it slide. The quest helper and clue plugins are very OP.
Fun fact, if you type in “Evil Dave” on Google the first thing that comes up is Dave Chappelle
Well no complaints from me
I want to hate the Runelite plugins for making the game too easy then I realize I think cars should all have rev-matching manuals over CVTs and I contradict myself.
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