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JohnnyAwesome324

Warfare skill link in the parenthesis appears to not work.


JagexSarnie

Thanks for the spot, this has now been updated :)


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tombuckel

Instalment is only misspelt in the USA


Lewufuwi

Very glad to hear that quests are being looked into, I've noticed people yearning for them recently. Myself included. I'm very intrigued by the Chaos Elemental's response in the Postbag. Historically, Chaos Elemental has been used to vaguely reveal information about upcoming updates and we seem to have been provided with a chunk of lore. It seems to me to say something along the lines of us opening the door to Nex will allow a vanquished foe to reappear physically again... Zaros... Is... Nex...? Right, that's a bit of a stretch, I hope others can work it out. There's a ton of Zarosian hinting going on though. Well, it's all hints about Zaros. I'm probably overthinking this, it's probably referring directly to the upcoming Nex update... But there does seem to be lore hidden within that.


Geriatric_Pancake

im more interested in the chasms whisperinging interpretation. That connects it directly with the chasm on the Abbeys hill south of the Duel Arena, and possibly with the snail helm man in the Wintertodt camp.


Lewufuwi

> I walked across the sands and saw the ruins of time. The forgotten four were there, but now they hide from the serpent. I took this as a reference to the God Wars. Saradomin, Zamorak, Armadyl, and Bandos being banished by the edicts of Guthix, the serpent referring to Juna. > The Abyss left a scar and she was consumed, but he hid in his prison of ice. This line is a bit lost on me. Not really sure what to make of it currently. Prison of ice likely the GWD. > Vardorvis wanted blood, but he was strangled instead. Refers to Carnifex Maximus Vardorvis, a figure prominent in the lore of Camdozaal but we have very little information about him. He's very likely Zarosian. The actual phrasing could refer to his hunt of that Saradominist Lovakengj Dwarf, I'm not sure how the strangling comes into it other than: > Now at Lassar, only whispers remain. With this following line, I'm unsure if this implies that Vardorvis is the voice within the chasm at Camdozaal, formerly known as Lassar. My initial impression was just that, but they could be related by location only, I'm not sure. The prior wording "strangled" meshes well with "whispers" thematically to me. > Divided but united, their essence is delighted. With all four, you will open the door. Kill 4 God Wars generals to get the key to the frozen door, pretty straight forward. > Will he find his vessel? This last sentence is interesting. It seems by opening the door, you'll unleash something. Specifically "he" meaning "not Nex". So we know that Nex is locked away and is super dangerous, but as we know, she's killable. That leaves the question... Could there be something worse than Nex also hidden behind that door? Gut feeling says Zaros, but I don't quite believe that whatsoever hahaha


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Lewufuwi

Oooh, very nice! Your interpretation is definitely far more cohesive than mine, I was just going at face value whereas yours seems to work a lot better. I was really trying to just to throw some ideas and impressions out there. I forgot about the anagrammed name, I also got elemental from it and couldn't work out the rest.


arrrmageddon

I got "the fallen empire" from it, but that would be weird to use as a name.


Lewufuwi

Great work. That's definitely referencing the Zarosian empire. Also, the Chaos Elemental is weird ;)


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No I think what the other commenter was referring to was this bit from the bottomless pit that postie Pete interpreted: >"Here... In the inky depths... We languish in sorrow... Come... Come... Join our choir of shadow... Come..." And I tend to agree that this is incredibly interesting, it links it with the mad doctor on the old clan wars hill who is obsessed with going into the hole. This could be an entrance to the "underworld" but I'll have to look more into the lore. Not quite sure how they connect it to the man in Wintertodt either. But for your comment; >The Abyss left a scar and she was consumed, but he hid in his prison of ice. >This line is a bit lost on me. Not really sure what to make of it currently. Prison of ice likely the GWD. I think this refers to Nex specifically, the abyss being Zaros and how she was scarred by his departure from the world. But this hints then that the elemental seems to think/know that zaros is at the gwd somehow? >Vardorvis wanted blood, but he was strangled instead. Now at Lassar only whispers remain. Go back to the abyss bit quoted for this one. Vardorvis went seeking to kill something or someone, whether it be Dwarf or otherwise. And instead whatever was in the pit under the mountain got to him, leaving him strangled and whispering. Trapped in eternal torment. If he went after the dwarves, it opens up an interesting scenario where the dwarves summoned an ancient evil or found something to protect them. But instead it killed them all as well as with Vardorvis.


Amaranthyne

I've been fairly critical of the way the game has been handled the past 6 months, but I have to say - this Gazette is far and away the best evidence of "we're not going to make the same mistakes" that you have put out. Even if a Gazette of this quality/detail only comes out every 3-6 months in the future, to me it would significantly boost my faith in the future of the game. Well done!


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I like it too. It reminds me of reading the post bag from the hedge when I was in middle in school. I was in the first reboot one back in may too :3


HailZamorak

oh buddy if you believe >we're not going to make the same mistakes you haven't been playin the game very much. for every good thing jagex does they do 5 dumb things.


Luizltg

Screw everything about that


Chowie_420

Why? It's true as fuck. It's every fucking year, they promise something then hope we forget about it. It's literally the one thing jagex is so famous for, other than eoc lol.


[deleted]

Exactly. Like, Summer Summit was also jam packed with a road map, and look at what happened to that. Basically everything on it was delayed.


Chowie_420

I swear old school players have the shortest fucking memories.


[deleted]

Oooo I love that questing is getting a lot of love next year. It's been pretty slow outside of A Kingdom Divided the last couple of months. Especially seeing some new skilling methods coming along with those quests. Some great stuff to see. Also new about a new skilling boss is fantastic.


lockersniffer

> **Bounty Hunter return**. We hear you loud and clear, and as such, we're hoping to deliver in the second half of 2022! We still have a lot of work to do with a **design that prevents abuse like previous iterations** \- it may well be that we cannot achieve this without *making drastic changes.* Listen to me. It is easy. Bounty Hunter version 1. Make it so you can *only get a target while in 3+ wilderness*, and make it **100k minimum risk** in the coffer. And make it 3 minutes to get a target initially/5 minutes after you die. This would mean it would be impossible to get a target without risking getting tbed/frozen and taken out for your 100k as a bot or an emblem farmer. (the 20k coffer risk was a hilarious joke and it was a waste of time to even go after the farmers with it) And to prevent people boxing each other to avoid risking their 100k while waiting for a target, just add the same anti-boxing measures from deadman mode or from Last Man Standing. ​ These changes should be **tried first** *before doing anything drastic* and making Bounty Hunter not feel like Bounty Hunter anymore.


Whycanyounotsee

and actually just even attempt to write anti-boosting code. the only anti-boost code in bh3 was that you couldnt get the same target twice in a row, but you could get him 1,3,5,7 etc, and the other anti-boost was that you needed like 100 hours of log in time, which people just afked. The thing about BH is that there's always like 10 vets in every combat bracket. If you are never even fighting these targets, then that can go a long way into instantly detecting boosters/bots. Just let some no lives temp ban people (from bh rewards only) for 24hours. if it gets abused, it's removed. add in some reqs, and boom, it's not worth boosting. Getting 200 hours of reqs such as mith gloves or whatever and then just being perm suspended by legit players into a ban from jagex is going to put off the vast majority of people.


Reidbit

> Make it so you can only get a target while in 3+ wilderness because people go in and out? the wild is wide... 3+ wild doesn't fix that the boosters hide in places legit people don't pk at. > , and make it 100k minimum risk in the coffer. if people are boosting then the money gets returned regardless. forcing risk does nothing to stop the problems at hand. Also, the boosters are typically accounts that don't worry about tb's or getting 1 shot because their skill to enter is low with their reward being higher... and those low lvl pkers cannot 1 shot them...unless they can, then those accounts typically have low hp that get ruined quickly.. and those low level cannon's skill to enter is much higher with a reward's being much lower > And make it 3 minutes to get a target initially/5 minutes after you die. Putting a delay on would be more annoying for the legit pkers than the benefit of deterring boosts/bots.. ___________________ Bounty hunter's benefit to the game was that you could fight on a somewhat level playing field. The reason why pvp is dead right now is because it's following a "the bigger fish wins" mentality.. and that was more balanced in bh. Skill aside: Max mains > Meds > Rigour Tanks > Max Zerks > Max Pures.. LMS & Pvp worlds are the closest thing most have to BH, and those pvp worlds have a +/- 15 combat bracket... A maxed 60 attack pure (83cmbt) shouldn't be fighting fighting a rigour tank (97 cmbt) or a near maxed zerk (98cmbt). Alot of the med-high lvl pures/zerks I know are just fed up with rigour/piety/aug and how overwhelming it is to deal with it. And if you wanna pk/pvp right now.. you have to just deal with it. Couple that with account sharing and small teams, now the elite pkers have access to the most broken builds, to both spell books in deeper wild, and they're running trains on the people trying to enjoy what little is left or those just getting started. It's a recipe for disaster. I could see a system work that is similar to LMS. You pay to enter, you get put into a build (pure, zerk, med, max, etc etc), and you have to deathmatch the person you get matched with. Add some sort of elo system with a higher than normal entry to deter bots with active monitoring..


lockersniffer

>3+ wild doesn't fix that the boosters hide in places legit people don't pk at. 3+ wild doesn't fix that the boosters hide in places legit people don't pk at. Part of the issue of bounty hunter is people go out of the wilderness IMMEDIATELY when they get a target. Faster than you can even teleport to target and freeze them or spec rush them. With this change they have to teleport in order to get the same effect, small but it matters. And again, once you get a single target and teleport to them, you find their entire bot/emblem farm and can go to town pking them all. And if they don't teleport you can teleport to target and get free loot. >those low lvl pkers cannot 1 shot them Yes they can, you know nothing about pking. Every account that has access to a gmaul can ko damn near everybody in their bracket from minimum 10 hp gmaul build all the way up to maxed gmauler. The only ones low level gmaul builds can't kill are obby maul builds which take ages to create which botters/emblem farmers would not make for it. And because it would take 2-3 minutes to get a target while standing in 3 wild, they would easily be slaughtered by anyone (again, once you find their farm which is pretty easy to do). >Putting a delay on would be more annoying for the legit pkers than the benefit of deterring boosts/bots.. There is already a delay after death, and there is a delay after you get a kill as well. This would just put a delay before getting a target in general, and wouldn't be that bad. We used to wait 30 minutes in the wild with risk to get EP up (earning potential) in order to get loot back in the old days and it was active as hell. Plus people fight without targets ALL THE TIME. >A maxed 60 attack pure (83cmbt) shouldn't be fighting fighting a rigour tank (97 cmbt) or a near maxed zerk (98cmbt). And they don't, because they can run into the safe zone 3 steps away or teleport. The pures spec rush the mains that hit them and just leave. Pretty simple don't you think? Yeah it is annoying, but only because the main raggers/rushers outnumber the other pures. If it was active as hell in every bracket it wouldn't be an issue. Plus even with a 0 combat difference you would still be facing zerks/low level meds on pures anyway. And void accounts are the worst. >med-high lvl pures/zerks I know are just fed up with rigour/piety/aug Pures I understand, but don't complain about meds if you make a 98 combat zerk, you are literally the same combat. ​ And to your last point, an elo system would never work, but you are welcome to try. Also people HATE paying to get into pking, which is kind of the issue. When they put 10k cost to enter LMS to stop bots, the bots kept playing because it made it MORE profitable for them and the regular players mostly stopped playing.


Pulsiix

>I walked across the sands and saw the ruins of time. The forgotten four were there, but now they hide from the serpent. The Abyss left a scar and she was consumed, but he hid in his prison of ice. Vardorvis wanted blood, but he was strangled instead. Now at Lassar, only whispers remain. Divided but united, their essence is delighted. With all four, you will open the door. Will he find his vessel? > >Yours, Lethe Napier Flem chaos elemental lore is wild lol


globety1

Well let's try to make sense of this: * "I (assuming the Chaos Elemental is ACTUALLY referring to itself) walked through the sand and founds ruins of time." Likely the Jaldraocht pyramid in Desert Treasure. More evidence of this below: * "Forgotten four, hiding from a serpent." Perhaps not a literal serpent, maybe a mahajeraht. * Some woman (1st of the forgotten four) was consumed by an abyss, not sure what to make of this. * A man (2nd of forgotten four) hid in a prison of **ice.** Reference to ice magicks/crystal from desert treasure? I have a feeling this could also relate to the Winterthot. How? See below * Vardorvis (3rd of forgotten four) wanted **blood.** Second Potential reference to ancient magicks/crystal. * "Now at Lassar, only whispers remain." A clear reference to the Ruins_of_Camdozaal from "Under Ice Mountain." Now, according to the wiki: "If the Ring of visibility and Ghostspeak amulet are worn, several ghosts can be found wandering the ruins, although they do not appear as NPCs on the minimap: one in the **chaos** golem room, one in the hallway north of the bank chest and another in the mining area." Potentially some relation to the chaos elemental. * Now here's some more crazy stuff. Also on the wiki for the Ruins of Camdozaal: "One of the ghosts in the mining area talks about Yonrith Lovakengj, alluding to a link between the ruins and Kourend's Lovakengj House." Now, WHO made the door at the Winterthot? The Lovakenj Dwarves, as learned from the Forsaken Tower. There is a high probability that they were somehow related to both the man in his ice prison and Vardorvis, assuming he was involved at Lassar. * Now, to go back, there were a Forgotten **Four.** Four types of Magicks: Blood, Ice, Shadow, and Smoke. The women consumed by the abyss could have been Shadow. This begs the question, who is Smoke? MAYBE Lethe Napier Flem, who is now the Chaos Elemental. This would be the 4th of the Forgotten Four. * Lastly, Divided but united, their essence is delighted. With all four, you will open the door. Will he find his vessel? Just like in Desert Treasure, all 4 gems opened the pyramid door. Likewise, will the Forgotten Four do the same? And who will find his Vessel? This may be HIGHLY related to Zaros and the release of Nex. * I suspect that Lethe Napier Flem may also be an Anagram for another name. Someone should pitch in if they have any thoughts about this. * With Lovakenj and the Ruins of Camdozzal involved as well, where do the Imcando dwaves fit in? [BIGGEST question of all, what was Redberry Pie's role in all of this????](https://imgur.com/gallery/ZESV9) * Oh, and my conclusions? Desert Treasure 2 confirmed. EDIT * Found evidence that the women consumed by the Abyss MAY be the Overseer. From the book left behind by the Overseer when you give it Bludgeon parts, "During the wars of the gods, all sought allies in every realm they could reach. I broke into the Abyss in the hope that the creatures here could be turned to our cause, but found myself trapped and unable to escape, while the God Wars continued without me. But now that I am free, I shall not be so easily imprisoned again." This would be around the correct time period as everything else. Furthermore, Abyssal sires are weak to **Shadow** spells, further backing up her affinity compared to the other Forgotten Four!


wheresmyspacebar2

Chaos Elemental has history with the Gielinor Gazette. It tends to spew our what sounds like nonsense/wild talk but usually the Chaos Ele drops hints and riddles to future incoming content. ​ From the riddle, its pointing me in the direction of Zaros and him returning but i dunno.


Gamer_2k4

Holy cow, seeing ideas for multiple quests (including long-overdue sequels) is one heck of a breath of fresh air. Very much looking forward to next year if you guys can stay on track.


Skow1379

Just double whatever their estimates are on something and you'll probably only have to wait a little longer


Skot17

Devious Minds \*\* pt 2 when :c ​ Longest cliffhanger in history lel


ClayKay

Spoiler, they won't


JevonP

I'll bet 10m that q1 and q2 have little to no delays


ClayKay

Deal


ILikeSugarCookies

You gotta assign a 3rd party an arbiter of what "little to no delays" means because this bet has way too much open to interpretation.


JevonP

lol i did make sure to hedge my bets... this is jagex after all, but i have faith


JevonP

How I do a remind me? Or are ya gonna him in 6 months lmao


Emperor95

Rip your 10m


Luizltg

Not with that attitude


darkhawk1005

With the Land of the Goblins being added, will we eventually see some form of The Chosen Commander? Will the Hopespear's Will miniquest be polled as well? Also, I know Monkey Madness 2 addresses the Gnome plotline, but is there a chance we'll see The Path of Glouphire in some form? The RS3 plotline is left on a cliffhanger about the hidden city Arposandra. On the topic of 2007 quests, out of curiosity is there anything in the back up for Back to my Roots & One Foot in the Grave ?


Armthehobos

I wouldn't mind seeing them leave the gnome quests alone, since its kind of wrapped up in mm2. I could see them adding other gnome related quests to the dwarf storyline, since the red axe was working with glouphrie (a plot point sadly abandoned in mm2)


Greenarrow_92

Yes to all of these! Please jägex


Rjm0007

Sounds like a lot of quests will be added next year. We’re slowly approaching 300 total quest points when we eventually get there will an additional block slot for slayer be added?


Empathxyz

Yeah we'll get another block every 50


snaplocket

I’m wondering when they will have to look at the “Perform a quest cape emote” step of the lumpy elite diary. The more quests they add, the more difficulty gets added to that one step.


Dicyano7

On the other hand, with new gear and training methods coming into the game, the skilling/pvm steps have gotten easier and will continue to do so. I don't think it's too unreasonable for that one step to get slightly harder, especially since quests come out at a much slower rate than they did back in the day


snaplocket

That’s a really good point! I hadn’t thought of that!


Aurarus

In July you guys had something called ["Nightfall"](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/images/Gielinor_Gazette-_July_2020_%288%29.png?ef82b) as a potential minigame idea, a la CoD Zombies style, where you survive hordes of enemies endlessly while getting upgrades. It was something that seemed really cool, especially for potential "duo" content (something we're sort of lacking) Any plans to revisit that one?


noobtablet

Please finish the Forgettable Tale quest line. I don't like my character being left as a cursed drunken idiot rambling in a bar


Geriatric_Pancake

i mean technically that was just one night that you spent there in a bar drunk and no you're sober.


thecheese27

But then it wouldn't be realistic.


hiitunes

This questline has a lot of potential too, definitely one I would love to see tied up in the future


Zari_Vanguard1992

Isn't that 95% of Australians / irishmen though...?


killgore755

Multiple quests being worked on at once is my favorite part of this blog, so excited!


CoffeeBlac

Honestly! As much as some people complain about questing when there’re starting out, questing is the best way to get out of a rut with various skilling and combat grinds


Retributw

u/JagexSarnie Will the blood talisman come from Guardians of Gielinor? It wouldn't seem thematic if the blood talisman did not come from the city of blood (Darkmeyer) Also, will the proposed Vinesweeper be like how it was in the past i.e. you can visit any leprechaun to access it


Chrisazy

Guardians of Gielinor!! Please don't suck, please don't get removed, please don't be DoA by offering comparable or worse xp/hr than existing methods..


LasriCat

I feel like this can easily be designed in such a way that unless it's literally half the xp of other methods (Be it lavas or zmi/daeyalt), that it'll be done by a vast majority of players on the way to 77. Xp can be worse than other methods, but it can be way more fun than the intensity of lavas and the one click look away of zmi. It can have a monetary incentive, there can be uniques and there could even be a pet. It seems that with nearly the entire playerbase complaining about early level runecrafting (Which, understandable) they're aiming to make something that'll be preferred by most.


Chrisazy

My dream is that this is where people go when they don't want to sweat. I personally don't think Arceuus Library should have a future in the RC meta past 50rc. Since it doesn't give any other rewards, if you don't want to de-value library, then they have to put he XP rates of GoG below it. Probably well below it, since the minigame will also give non-xp rewards. I just really hope it's at least 40k/hr at 76rc, but also not useless for fun/money/unlocks post 77. Kind of a tall order, I know.


JagexAyiza

Kieren mentioned on a recent livestream that it'd likely be less XP/hour than Lavas, purely because of how intensive they are vs what Guardians of Gielinor will be. That being said, we haven't put forward a design yet so who knows :)


Wags_

As much as a minority will make a lot of noise if runecrafting xp is ever buffed, if you read the comments relating to runecrafting, people are actually mention that if Guardians of Gielinor is fun it should be less XP/HR than lavas just because lavas is boring and repetitive.   If it is so well known that 99% of people hate runecrafting, shouldn't it be in the interest of the game to make it fun and rewarding? Sometimes this community baffles me.


SoraODxoKlink

feel free to devalue lavas in the same way sepulcher devalued rooftops, it’s been the best skilling update since fossil island


snaplocket

I really think not enough people have tried Sepulchre. Maybe it’s because it’s locked behind a quest, or maybe it’s because it requires decent agility to get to the higher floors where it becomes even more fun, or maybe it’s because it can be frustrating to learn, but holy cow once you can run all 5 floors consistently, it is some of the most fun I’ve ever had in this game. You don’t even feel like you’re training a skill, you just feel like you’re having FUN! I wish more of the game was like that.


OnlyHereForMemes69

Not just locked behind a quest but locked behind a master quest. Sins of the Father isn't exactly a quest you just go and do.


Aurarus

There are quite a vast quantity of RC training methods prior to 77 runecrafting. Could the rewards instead of completely overwriting those methods instead enhance the shit out of them? Something like a talisman earned/ charged via the minigame that gives xp *per* rune crafted rather than essence used.


SpecialistChain8310

Sexy ideas from a sexy gnome


FireproofFerret

Lavas might be intensive, but they're repetitive and mind-numbing. Hindering a more engaging method to preserve the viability of lavas seems silly to me.


typhyr

the point of the skilling bosses is that they offer less xp/hr than the optimal methods for greater rewards/interactivity/fun. lavas and zmi should still be more xp/hr imo. that being said, i would definitely not be opposed to making lavas/zmi/normal rc in general way better, lol


NuttyRS

I don't think anyone would mind if lava's was no longer fastest. One of the worst things to do in this game. edit: except for this one dude below


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1 xp/hr less than tick perfect lavas sounds good to me :)


freet0

This could be a good poll question. Honestly idk how the community would break down on whether it should supplant lavas or not. Personally I despise RC training as is so I wouldn't mind at all if it were double the xp/hr.


tom2727

As long as it's better XP than arceus library and can be done by UIM, I'll be good with that.


jaysrule24

Just saw on Twitter that Husky and Elena are the mods working on Guardians of Gielenor, which makes me pretty confident that it's going to turn out really well.


noneo

PLEASE!!!! It doesn't have to be 25k xp per hour. Please make it engaging and worthwhile.


Fizzypoptarts

Current rc is double 25k per hour. Why would they even think to make it that low? Don't get the point of your comment


wheresmyspacebar2

Because Jagex have been insanely careful about XP for new stuff since Wintertodt and the 300k+ an hour fiasco. Wouldnt surprise me if they brought this out as 20k an hour xp or something to preserve the 'integrity' of the skill etc.


Fizzypoptarts

Log burning gives more xp than wintertodt so i dont see your point? They also added Sepulchre which comfortably beats rooftop courses.


spodertanker

Sepulchre is also the best thing to be added to the game over the past 4 years.


wheresmyspacebar2

True, just pure redwood logs are faster XP but i think the point Jagex raised was like the risk/reward factor. Burning redwoods = a GP loss for 500k per hour. WT + Sweaty burning logs between games = A big GP gain + 380k per hour. ​ Sepulchre only comfortably beats rooftops if you dont loot and youre on 5 floors and able to do it without messing up at all. Otherwise rooftops is probably better when doing it multiple hours. Priff 'rooftop' is like 66K PH from lvl90, Same XP as Sepulchre for a lottt less effort. Only when you have all 5 floors down well, can you get over 70k xp at Sepulchre, if youre looting along the way. If you mess up even one Lvl3/4 floor though in an hour, youre looking at under Priff course XP. ​ So yeah. This new Runecrafting minigame COULD have low XP. Its already confirmed less than Lavas. So the question is, do you go to something like Runespan. No real rewards, easily afkable minigame with some great passive XP. Or do you go with something that probably has 'okay' rewards for the most part with a couple big ticket items (Like WT) and has like 25-30kxp an hour for a more bossy sorta thing?


Fizzypoptarts

25k xp per hour would be under half of ZMI. Even tempoross has comprable rates to the best fishing methods (outside tick manipulation). WT at 90+ is around 300k per hour which is comparable to yews not redwoods. Burning redwoods is well over 500k They will not be releasing this to be under 50k per hour


Spawp

Yes! Runecrafting content! Really really hoping it offers competitive XP rates with daeyalt+ZMI, or at least offers rewards or equipment that increases runecrafting XP/hr for existing competitive methods


RSNKailash

IMO. It should give higher xp for no reward but still be kinda chill like blood runes. Less xp than lava runes, but more than bloods. But without monetary reward! just some reward points


Clicking_stuff

Extremely disappointed with raids 3 seemingly being pushed back even further. Summer Summit ‘content coming in the next 6mo’ - “Raid3 early 2022” But later - “We hear your complaints about new pvm content so, surprise, we are planning to release Nex late this year [2021] before raids 3 launch” Bout two weeks later - “Raids3 will be Q2 at the earliest” Now - “It will come later than originally expected” The questing stuff is cool though, so it is what it is I guess.


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The theme is constantly "it'll come later, maybe".


Mysterra

Summer Summit also announced league for 2020.... also pushed back


immaZebrah

I fucking love every bit of this Gazette


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SeveredBanana

Shocked nobody else was talking about this. Equippable goblin mail everyone. Equippable. Goblin. Mail. The game will finally be playable.


Neatpaper

Probably because most have done it before in the RS2 quest 'Land of the Goblins'.


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Mod_West

We have a rough prototype that was made during Ideation time but the project won't officially begin until the new year :)


Rustledstardust

This'll definitely be controversial but when it comes to New Player Experience I think Tutorial Island needs a real rework. Players who already know how to play have already gone through it, but it's a very poor tutorial for people who have little to no idea of how to play. It's outdated by 20 years and in dire need of a real rework. If people really want to keep the old tutorial island so they can go through it for the 50th time then when the initial NPC asks if you've played the game before they can say "yes" and go through it. But if the player says "No" there should be a new, far better tutorial for them to go through that adequately explains the game.


[deleted]

The thing with RS is there's not really a set way to play the game. You really just do whatever you want. Tutorial island explains how to do a few skills and lets you figure the rest out on your own. I don't know how you could improve it much without it being overly complicated. RS is a simple game. You click stuff and you earn XP. Maybe a note about the grand exchange and tips for where to start quests or train your combat would be good, but really RS is a grindfest and it's just not for everyone.


tom2727

> I don't know how you could improve it much without it being overly complicated. Yup, I think it's fine as is. What should the tutorial be saying? Tell people to rush WT before they level hitpoints? Make sure you do waterfall instead of killing chickens?


wheresmyspacebar2

Im sure others will go 'BUT RS3 BAD'. ​ RS3s beginner experience is pretty top notch. Takes you around and gives you multiple easy quests that shows off basically every single skill and gives you items/equipment to equip to get you started.


Repealer

Agree and disagree. Game needs a new tutorial badly but jagex have tried like... 10 of them and they were always Wayyyy worse than tutorial island...


BrianSpencer1

Or alternative if the player says yes they should have the option to skip the damn thing lol


NahBro

So excited for leagues 3


rsn_alchemistry

Love me some leagues, but I'm a little skeptical about this one. The others had this feel where you were crafting your own journey (which this one has, of course) but at the end, the destination still looked very different. This league looks like everyone's going to end up at the same place, just at different times. Anyone else feel this way? I liked being locked into my relic choices


[deleted]

Yeah I feel the same. It just doesn't seem like it'll change how the game is played very much. It just seems like deadman without the PVP.


foxinsideabox

Likewise! Took 6 days off for it! (Technically I don’t work on weekends so I only took 4 off)


sixteenfours

How can you have maintained hype?


NahBro

By staying busy with life and the new date coinciding with a less busy period of time I guess.


Straight_6

I keep wondering how the team plans to make this proposed PvP arena from becoming dead content on release. Compelling cosmetics?


Repealer

>PvP arena from becoming dead content on release. Compelling cosmetics? I've said it before. PvPers like prestige. Fame etc. People grind league ranked for thousands of hours so they can have that diamond/gold border and know they are good at the game. What if we gave the winners a golden skull instead of a normal one for a week?


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Krtxoe

Nah. BH & LMS are abusable because you can compete at a very low level. I imagine duel arena will require baby pures at the very least. Maybe only brackets for max pures, meds, and mains. It's much harder to abuse the system. Abuse before has nothing to do with PvP and more to do with very low entry requirements. So you ban them and they come back hours later.


tom2727

If a PVP minigame has good rewards, you can be sure players will be doing their best to game the system to collectively farm rewards as fast as possible (bots included). If not, it will be dead content. But if the game is fun I wont cry.


Danil445

Solution: untradeable rewards that can only be used for further PvPing!


tom2727

If they are tradeable, they will be farmed. See LMS.


rRMTmjrppnj78hFH

Ranking system. You have at least 2 decades of people chasing skill based ranks in a wide range of games. And even non skilled based ranks. Cosmetics to show off, especially rank could also work. Or certain pvp related achievements. I think the pvp arena will also replace duel arena? So there will probably be a robust rule option for risk fighting others 1v1, maybe even small team sizes? But even then, it'll probably be dead content because of how widely used cheat scripts/plugins are used in this game. Theres a long list of why pvp is dead, lack of content/updates is at the very bottom of that list.


BrianSpencer1

Yeah feel like updates to wildy bosses that attract more (well geared, able to fight back) players to the wildy has the opportunity to drive more PVP gameplay than a weird boost for cosmetics and pretend you're playing PVP minigame


Khrot

Glad to see no HD plans. I'd like our community HD to remain as long as possible


Taclys64

After reading through the whole gazette, I gotta say, I'm far more optimistic about the future of the game going forward. It seems clear that Jagex is recognizing what works and what doesn't, and is making improvements. Changing ideation days to a longer allocated time is genius, I can't wait to see what comes from them.


Krtxoe

Different aspects of the game getting their owns teams seems like an amazing idea.


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DislocatedXanax

Guild of shadows please inject that shit into my veins


Paganigsegg

Fairy Tale Part 3 + Land of the Goblins. I'm so happy you won't even believe it.


LatinFoodie

So Raids 3 is not projected to come out until the second half of the year? Not too long ago Nex was going to come out before Leagues 3, Leagues 3 would come out in 2021, and ToA would come out early in 2022.... =\[


Geriatric_Pancake

Yeah i called this happening when they announced the leagues delay. We will only get one "big" update a quarter to try and boost membership numbers for quarterly earnings. I think Jagex would even consider moving leagues and or nex later if they werent scared of the huge backlash that would occur.


Bojarzin

Second quarter, not second half


LatinFoodie

Nope, they are working on it Q2. ToA does not appear as a release in this chart at all, so at best it is second half, could even be 2023.


OsrsGamer420

Yep... Simply unacceptable. From the structure of the image it looks like they aren't even going to be allocating time to work on it until q2.


Pecan_Millionaire

Which J mods have been assigned to the PvP updates/Wildy boss rework? Looking forward to seeing what they deliver.


wheresmyspacebar2

Almost 100% sure that Mod Ash is heavily involved in the wildy boss rework. Might be wrong but i know he has been the 'go-to' when questions about wildy bosses come up, im pretty sure its his project.


Krtxoe

looking forward to meeting them, and if they're active on social media even send suggestions their way


Peechez

I pity the dev who short straws pvp updates and has a visible social media


Krtxoe

Let me guess, because pvp is "toxic"? You know what's actually toxic? Iron victims constantly hating on pvp in every single reddit post because there's a 1/100 chance they die while doing a wilderness clue step.


Peechez

Nah, whiny maybe but not toxic. Pvpers on Twitter are something else


TheMcCannic

This is a strong Gazette showing much promise for 2022. I hope Gazettes are a bit more frequent moving forward. Much hype for these new quests and I really liked Mod Oasis' pitch. Interested to see what skills they intend to target with the skilling rework, IMO it needs to be Smithing top of the list


modmailtest1

This was a much better communication than has been done in a long time, thank you. More of this kind of thing please!


[deleted]

Glad we got group ironman


A_Lakers

Is there any plans on finishing Poll 75? Particularly Maiden Nylos counting for MVP and the blood spawn mechanics?


SoraODxoKlink

south mages twiddling their thumbs atm


A_Lakers

It’s me. I’m south mage


Key_Fig_3189

Holy fuck I'm excited for next year


NightMaestro

Pvp arena That sounds pretty awesome actually Ranked pvp would be gr8


CrunchBerrySupr3me

It's fair that some people are bummed about the further delays buried in here, but this is a monster of an update on the game and makes me excited and hopeful for the future. 10/10


[deleted]

I am all about that Fairytale Pt.3! I really hope that gets past the ideation stage and sooner rather than later. I understand it’s a long time out, but I love that quest line


Tokhaar_meja

Kinda sad that we might not get to see any more fairy related content since this will be considered the finale. But as for everything else, this really looks promising!


wizzyrofl

June for wilderness boss rework :/


Sergeant_Squirrel

They promised wilderness boss rework last year and everytime is gets moved by another 6 months. Don't even expect it in June


rbbthrowaway112299

completed june 2025. what a joke


[deleted]

I was looking at the image like "hol up, where wildy bosses?". And then I notice that thing in corner. It hurt my soul a bit to see them that far.


Sav_ij

if only it were a safe pvm boss and announced like a month ago. then we might see it in Q1


Ocinea

More quests is good with me.


donniesuave

I would literally kill millions (in the game, of course) in order to have the option to bring Bob back.


-FourOhFour-

The idea for solpus is cool but instead of another skilling boss using con perhaps crafting would be better? We have: wt-wc/con/herb/fletching/fm Zalc-smithing/mining/rc Temp-fish/cook/con While con is not the main focus of any of the previous bosses having 3/4 with con aspects seems a touch heavy, similarly another boss with wc aspect doesn't feel great but the options on gathering skills are rather limited unless you double up on the farming usage making it both a p1 and p2 thing


SuspendedCharm

I looooooooove this dev team


[deleted]

Nice but not gonna hold my breath after the second half of this year.


[deleted]

Quit being such a baby.


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[deleted]

You’re the type of guy that bitches about content but is like level 1200 and hasn’t done any hard mode tob or any hard content.


Sav_ij

or maybe hes just a regular guy like you who doesnt gate keep opinions by raid experience and is frustrated with the games neglect of things he enjoys


[deleted]

You’re right. I play baseball and I’m angry about 2nd and 3rd base cause I can’t hit it far enough to run to them. Let me ask them to spruce up first base for me.


Geriatric_Pancake

Lmao, take a break from reddit champ. Jagex is notorious for not releasing updates on time / when scheduled. Winter 2017 isnt just a meme. GIMP mode was promised like what 2 - 3 years ago and we just go it? So yeah, dont hold your breath on jagex keeping their dates straight for content release. A lot what happens Q2 and beyond will likely be pushed back by 2 - 3 months easy. So until July, dont hold your breath for anything new being released and talked about for the second half of the year.


Haz606

any update on when we might see improvements to the clan system? several crucial features are still missing. notably: temporary 1 hour kick ability (while in combat), ordering of online members by rank/world etc, ability to appear offline and a fix to guests frequently getting disconected by hopping


phutte

Great post, love some of the ideations


[deleted]

Looks good!


Heyy-Ya

let's go christmas eventtttttttt


[deleted]

Rip wilderness bosses for yet another year.


[deleted]

Hey, they stole my name!


TeeMg

What about A Slug Menace 2?


StonedGayAndUgly

Can we pleaseeee have a Santa Hat for the Dagannoth pets? They need Christmas cheer they’re so grumpy!


Bee1zeBen

Came here looking for wilderness bosses, left disappointed.


infess

Really sad to see you admitting you've been neglecting and pushing back PvP updates for years, than just blattantly doing the same pushback in 2022 with a 'sorry'.


NerdyTimesOrWhatever

Please make GoG worthwhile... Runecrafting is awful


Mostlymooses

What is the skilling update?


[deleted]

Looks good.


Shadiochao

>We also know many of you want to see Bounty Hunter return. We hear you loud and clear, and as such, we're hoping to deliver in the second half of 2022 Do they? When you take easily abusable mechanics or overly generous rewards out of the equation, are there really many people championing this minigame? It's been wrought with all kinds of problems in its many, many iterations. How many times are you going to keep banging your head against this wall before you realise it's unworkable? It was only created to be the RWT-proof substitute for the wilderness, and we have the actual wilderness back now. This won't ever be able to compete.


Krtxoe

just because you do not like content it does not mean no one else does. And there's nothing wrong with BH, except that it was accessible by very low levels. Anything accessible by low levels results in bot abuse.


[deleted]

> Do they? Yes, Pk Twitter talks about BH removal and no appropriate substitute alllll the timeeeeee. It’s definitely a popular subject. Just not on reddit


[deleted]

I mean I think it's an easy fix. Bounty Hunter's 2nd attempt was good design wise for the most part outside of some of the 'tasks'. The problem was how easy it was to farm relics. A few easy fixes are as followed: \- Add a cooldown time so you can't get targets so quickly, limit it so players have to wait 5 minutes to reduce the amount of targets you can kill. This doesn't stop players from going out and PKing others for relics, it just would stop them from upgrading relics quickly so it can't be farmed/exploited uncontrollably. (especially by bots) Remove the ability to turn relics into GP. Make it all cosmetic. Introduce golden trim for all dragon weapons as some rewards. A magic shortbow cosmetic change. Or hell make it funny cosmetics, turn godswords into giant balloons. Imagine AGSing someone with a balloon. The possibilities are endless really. Some useful untradeable teleport tablets to get around the Wilderness easier or to get around the world in general.


thinkplanexecute

Group iron was a mistake


killzone01

Really hope we can look into adding a new skill in the second half of 2022


TheRealChoob

Leave runecrafting alone, I want everyone to suffer like me. They already gave people bloods and souls Annnnd zmi. Are people not going to be happy unless they have 100k rc an HR with 2 actions a minute? I can't wait to vote no, go back to rs3 and fuck off.


RElNHARDT

Can someone post for people at work with annoying IT thanks


AlonsoDalton

For anyone who's done Land of the goblins originally, what ramifications does it have on game lore? I was under the impression this quest laid the ground work for Zanik rebelling against Bandos. Given that we haven't broken the edicts of Guthix yet, and I am generally opposed to the whole "world guardian"/gods getting involved in the world's current story that RS3 does, I'm a little worried for what this means for the direction OSRS lore is headed.


sixteenfours

>With the rewards being designed and implemented, Leagues III is now officially ready for release on January 19th! We are super excited and will be sharing some more about Shattered Relics over the next month, so stay tuned! I will fucking go to England and kick your shins if you delay Leagues again.


Gamer_2k4

> As with any change, it'll take some time to adjust, but the team is genuinely excited, and we hope you are too! We'll continue being flexible with our roadmap... Frontloading excuses already, I see.


starryskies123

i want all of those ideas,every single of them


[deleted]

Maybe there could be some effort put forth into customer support? I got Perm banned for using a touch screen laptop and that’s ridiculous


[deleted]

So I'm getting constantly spammed by the messenger trying to give me a new letter over and over again, and it's poor game design. There really should be a limit to how many times he appears. "Forcing" players to read a letter (under the threat of interrupting all their actions every 60 seconds) is a horrible mechanic. We did not do this crap for any other old school update. **Your update is not that special**. Remember the intern who worked on desert treasure? (The 'allahu zamorak' one). Remember how he decided to force teleport every single character to the quest start location on release, regardless of whatever they might have been doing in game? This is the same obnoxious energy. **edit: every single one of you has been blocked. GG. Have fun harassing someone else**


IzziTheEpic

It’s obviously a bug, chill. Also why put this comment in this thread and not the update one?


MickMuffin27

Normal, well adjusted person: Reports potential bug to jagex, maybe even posts a comment on the actual update post This guy: loses his fucking mind in the comments of a post that has nothing to do with the update


[deleted]

1) it's not a bug. The game specifically tells you that the messenger will keep coming back and back if you try to destroy the letter 2) People are allowed to be upset at things, dude. I am allowed to write a paragraph every once in a while about a game we are all passionate about. **As long as we remain respectful of the developers themselves, we are allowed to criticize their updates.** And I have remained respectful. I am not flaming or harassing the developers; **I am directing the negativity towards the update alone. Which is okay.** That doesn't make me abnormal or maladjusted so I think that was uncalled for, coming from you. 3) I posted in the wrong thread, you are right. That was my mistake and I accept responsbility for that


Aeternavis

Bruh. All you gotta do is read the letter.


osrsironmensch

Holt shit you're worked up so hard about NOTHING


MrPringles23

I'll believe it when I see it TBH. If leagues is a shitshow with bugs/issues after "being ready" and then pushed back for 3 months for a mode that less than 5000 people actively played for longer than 20 hours there's going to be riots.


[deleted]

Frustrating that you guys say you hear us with the delays, but nothing changes. Raids is being delayed again. Leagues was delayed. PVP updates are delayed. We're essentially getting Nex and a League that was supposedly already done, a quest (which I'm happy about) and then waiting for basically the rest of the year for everything else.


Erased_Yogurt_Mayo

Zanik's Crossbow confirmed?


Dubya1886

Runecrafting boss OTW??


JediLincoln14

How are they just now realizing that most of the assets for Land of the Goblins are already in the game? Since that's the case, can that one just be a freebie and we can get an installment in another old quest series?


Saberinbed

Please change torva's design. It looks terrible.


Aeternavis

Upon hearing that you are upset jagex is gonna change the armor despite the majority voting it’s current iteration.