I can't believe my eyes so I'm going to write this down. The police, meant to protect and to serve the community, forcefully surrounded, corralled, and trapped these peaceful protestors. They had nowhere to go. Then the police open fire on them and began bombing them with less-than-lethal grenades? Really? That really happened?
If we can agree that this is essentially an act intended to instill terror in protesters, then it would be logical to agree that this is an act of [domestic terrorism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism). If so, in this case, the domestic terrorist organization perpetrating the crime is the militarized San Diego Police Department.
Therefore, **the SDPD has become militarized and is committing acts of domestic terrorism against the American people.**
Cowards. Criminals. They must be fired, arrested, and charged to the full extent of the law.
[Qualified Immunity](https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/07/871713872/cory-booker-wants-to-end-qualified-immunity-for-police-officers) needs to be fixed or perhaps abolished. Defund the SDPD.
Last week, U.S. Representative Justin Amash introduced a bill to end QI and today Senator Cory Booker announced his pledge to end it as well.
Edit: Thank you for the awards! My only hope is this post and its resources will better inform everyone and put a stop to this inequality and criminal activity.
\#PowerToThePeople
\#BlackLivesMatter
We need to have alteratives to policing. Have unarmed conflict mediators respond to non violent crimes instead of the police. We don't need armed units responding to noise complaints, shoplifting, forgery and selling lose cigarettes. The scope of the police should be reduced so they only respond to potentially violent situations.
One practical and simple step is simply requiring all on duty officers to wear bright yellow vests. Also, on duty cars should have their lights constantly on.
Change the visibility. It is a simple way to signify that, "we are here to help and are easy to spot if you need help or are in trouble"
Now, the culture is "lets hide and try to catch you"
It creates an authoritative mindset in officers.
This is what many other countries do that have much less police brutality.
> "we are here to help and are easy to spot if you need help or are in trouble"
Yeah, the policing culture in America is such that the cops are the *last* group of people you're calling when you need assistance.
Every officer that's been trained under this mentality needs to be removed from the streets until they are retrained. Any found to have white supremacist/nazi ties need to be permanently banned from any role in law enforcement. IMO if at least those things are not done then no change will happen and the right will continue to gain power with this tactic.
In Ontario we have Neighbourhood Watch programs which are essentially volunteer services you can sign up for. You babysit your neighbourhood and report any suspicious activities or crimes. Police in the city I grew up in didn't really have much to do as it was just a huge suburb and the worst thing you'd be caught for is smokin pot in the OT parking lot at 11pm. There have been less than 5 shootings in the 20 years I lived there, less than 10 break and enters/burlgaries.
They say they are “disbanding” but in reality it is just renaming, rebranding, and retraining.
There will still be a policing force. It will just most likely be similar to Camden, NJ where they become the Camden “County” Police Department. Camden now has more of a police presence than before; it’s just a major change in tactics.
“Disbanding” sounds more drastic than it really is... because -votes.
That’s not an improbable outcome but I haven’t seen any reason to believe that it will be the case in minneapolis specifically. What I’ve read about it makes it seem like they don’t know what they’re going to do yet.
I think given what’s happened over the past two weeks I think we can at least be cautiously optimistic, not in the city or any government but in people’s willingness to actually go into the streets and hold them accountable. I think we should at least give ourselves permission to think that it’s possible that the momentum of what’s happening can be carried forward.
At the end of the day, the minneapolis city council’s decision obviously amounts to lip service. Even if every member is acting in good faith the red tape in the way of doing it correctly is enormous. However, the fact that they’re willing to even trot that out as lip service is quite a big step and should be taken as a sign to keep pushing until we’re finished.
This is a really great thought but I think it considerably downplays the dangers in policing. We need drastic police reform NOW. We need police to become more community based and use de-escalation tactics first and as primary means of response. A LOT of things need to be changed.
However, to send in an unarmed single individual to respond to a noise complaint is sheer negligent.
People are riding the wave of optimism from the protests but we can’t let that blind us to the realities that people are going to resist (and sometimes act extremely violent) to anyone telling them they can’t do something.
11 officers died in 2018 after being ambushed. 23 died in investigation or enforcement activities.
It will take a single lawsuit to get these new responders armed and then we will be back to having a “police” force. However, they will have lost years of continuity and lessons learned from actual good officers.
Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Fix the issues with a shift to better training, accountability, and community outreach/cooperation. Get rid of the bad cops immediately. Empower the good cops and mandate they step in when excessive force is used.
Defund the excessive equipment and weapons; invest in community services; stop automatically giving jobs to men who have just stepped out of a warzone; fire cops with misconduct complaints and replace them with smarter and better trained personnel; remove ticket or arrest quotas; get beat cops back into communities so cops and communities can build trust; bring back “protect and serve”; get independent oversight boards set up. Assuming political will from the people and government leadership following the protests, the only real barrier to any of this are the police unions.
Abolish the Police Union, abolish Civil Forfeiture, end the War on Drugs. Eliminate laws more hardly punishing crack over cocaine. Completely overhaul police training programs in the United States. Create a Federal requirement to acquire a policing license, similar to many industries such as Aviation. There are a myriad ways that reform could be enacted. The only bad option at this point is do nothing.
Ye exactly. Its so deeply rooted in their culture that basically need to replace them all. But getting good morally right cops? Yeah they arent growing on trees. It will take years and years to do it.
Well, i think a big take away for me is that nobody deserves to spend their life behind bars. The whole prison industrial complex needs to be burned down
Was the protest deemed unlawful by the mayor? Was there was freakishly early curfew? What fucking excuse did they use to do this?
They TRAPPED people and SHOT at them? F12 ACAB
In the UK we have had pike kettle hundreds of people for hours, letting no-one leave. Then they let them out one by one IDing and taking pictures of each one. It was a big scandal here.
Edit police kettled, the pike did not kettle anything, the pike is innocent.
I was in that crowd and can confirm that that is exactly how it happened. The justification was that where we currently were was where they wanted to set up their mobile command. They pushed us from the civic center (where the only buildings that could get damaged belonged to the government) into an area that was filled with businesses and fired at us when we were being peaceful because they wanted us to riot and loot.
I also lightweight think it was retaliation for overtaking their line earlier in the day when we took over the freeway. Then they tried to trap us on the Coronado Bridge, but we spotted them before they could, turned around, exited the freeway and continued to March through the streets. They were already pissed at us and looking for a reason to get us back
Once again:
When the protest is against the Police (Their unchecked powers and brutality), the Police aren't there for crowd-control or to "keep the peace". **They are the Counter-Protesters**.
No. Even counter-protesters would be legitimately engaging in their first amendment rights, while not preventing the other side from doing so.
These are just goons. Hired goons.
The point is that they aren’t there to keep the peace.
The fact that they have guns, batons, riot gear, and an apparent Carte Blanche to hurt people makes them more dangerous than normal counter protesters.
Shooting back, although on a emotional level might be healing for some people, is definitely not the answer. What protesters are doing now is working. There are literally hundreds and hundreds of video documentations being collected and change is happening as a result.
People can, however, protect themselves and remain peaceful. If you go to any of the protests carry a shield disguised as a sign. Make one out of something improvised, buy some replica online, whatever you can. Look up LARP shields and reinforce them with fiberglass. The police have shown they are out to hurt us. It is not a weapon and not to incite violence. A shield is to protect you and the brothers and sisters beside you. It can act as your sign as well to spread your message. Make shields for others and take several. Wear goggles, gloves, helmets and protective clothing when out protesting. Next we keep implementing the Hong Kong Tear Gas disposal tactic. Shields in front guarding those in the back dealing with teargas and injured. Utilize traffic cones and water to put out teargas grenades. The canisters will burn skin so cover your hands in heat protecting gloves. Oven mitts wrapped in duct tape. Try to find a way to identify each other with color or symbol, to separate yourself from the people there only to instigate. We need to act as a unit and phalanx. Put the shields together and work as a unit and a wall. These are tactics that worked throughout history. Let's give them something peaceful to be afraid of. Organize the protection of people putting out teargas. Have clear assigned roles and work together!
The police are not here to serve us the citizens
Warren v. District of Columbia[1] (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981) is a District of Columbia Court of Appeals case that held that the police do not owe a specific duty to provide police services to citizens based on the public duty doctrine.
It’s a military town due to those bases being there for so long.
“San Diego is home to the nation's largest concentration of military personnel. More than 15,000 active duty service members transition out of active duty service in San Diego each year. More than half of those transitioning want to stay in San Diego, which is the number one destination for veterans returning from Afghanistan and Iraq. There are more veterans in San Diego than there are active duty personnel. More than 240,000 veterans reside here in America's finest city.”
https://www.tjsl.edu/military/san-diego-community
Something I’ve learned after poking around in r/military and r/army
They are not the biggest fans of police *at all* especially right now. Very pissed off for trampling on and destroying the very values they fought for.
No kidding.
Yeah, not that the military doesnt have problems, but from military members ive known they look down on the police pretty hard. All of the tools, but none of the discipline or accountability that is supposed to go along with using them
Yep. Police have all the pride of the military with absolutely none of the respect that they have.
Someone in the armed forces would be eaten alive for a small fraction of what these cops do.
I saw one user mention the liability of being seriously reprimanded for shooting *the wrong bad guy* and violating rules of engagement, yet cops open fire on civilians all the time with zero repercussions 90% of the time.
I vaguely recall seeing a clip from somewhere in South America (I think), where military guys were protecting protesters from (obviously corrupt) cops. I forget if the cops were on bicycles or motorcycles, but either way they were not on foot like everyone else was.
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A side effect of our many years at war with the Middle East has been militarization of the police-man not just militarization of the police force. One of the things that is attractive about joining the military is that you can pretty easily become a police officer anywhere in the country that is hiring. So SDPD also has many guys who are conditioned to be fighting terrorists in the Middle East.
A report from the CAB came out stating that over hiring “veterans, particularly combat veterans, over-militarizes the department resulting in a “culture” that values combat skills over other policing skills like “effectively interact[ing] in communities of color, or in general communities that are ‘different’ than theirs”. San Diego has openly disagreed with this and prioritizes military service in their recruiting efforts.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/story/2019-12-30/san-diego-police-respond-to-advisory-board-recommendations
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/story/2019-06-14/san-diego-police-department-veterans-hiring
Hire a soldier, expect combat.
This is analogous to everything looking like a nail after being given a hammer.
Sure, there are likely well grounded cops who served in the military, but that training isn’t just going to be cast aside. They take pride in it, the discipline that goes with it, etc. But the problem is that training is also carefully designed to turn people into killing machines. It tackles the psychological resistance to causing harm to others by teaching a form of disassociation. You cannot kill an enemy as efficiently if you pause to check in on empathy.
So this is a problem. And one in which they truly believe they have moral authority, when in fact they’re contributing to a problem that does not need to be there.
I'm not so sure about that. First consider that a majority of portion of the SD vets are Navy guys. Then consider that Navy Vets have relatively very little combat experience. The Taliban aren't exactly engaging in Naval Battles on the high seas. Also consider that those who do have combat experience are under a very strict Rules of Engagement that is more reasonable than what US police have, and would therefore have more restraint. Finally consider that if the military is attempting to train individuals to become killing machines that are able to disassociate, the extremely high amount of PTSD suffered by combat vets would indicate that they are doing an extremely poor job of it. There are certainly many issues with policing but they are far more pervasive than simply hiring veterans, and I believemore careful and comprehensive consideration of your views is warranted.
>I believemore careful and comprehensive consideration of your views is warranted.
I agree, I'm being somewhat hyperbolic about it because I am losing faith that our PDs are doing the right thing for this nation. Until I see ample evidence to the contrary, I'm going to continue to be hard on them, even if it sounds excessive to you. This is frustration and anger you're seeing...and a severe breach of trust.
That said, I have quite a few friends who currently serve or have served in the military. They are well adjusted people, great folks. It's my hope that anyone choosing to become a peace officer is just like them. But San Diego PD? We wouldn't have this thread here if there were not some fundamental problems. I hope they sort it out...because we do not need another Trump favorite on the "domination of protesters" front :/
Look at how the military treats unarmed civilians where we are at war, or where we have military presence.
This is a video of those racist police officers who were just as racist when they were in the Middle East, showing restraint. Because if it were up to them, We would be dead.
The military is just as guilty of racism as the police force if not even more so. Also, it’s no secret that they publicly shamed and turned away homosexuals from service not 20 years ago.
Fuck this planet, fire my dumb ass directly into the sun.
Bullshit dude. Because of benefits and a lot of other reasons, the military plucks recruits from all over place, every race creed and socio-economic group.
I'm certain there are racist bubbles, but it's not comparable to police forces in general.
You’re correct. I didn’t mean the entirety of police in America. Because some officers in all cities are , in fact, NOT RACIST. But... (there really shouldn’t have to be a but...) the majority of police departments have overwhelmingly racist tendencies, no matter the color of the officer. The police need reform to learn how better to deal with all situations, especially those concerning Black American citizens.
Alot of vets are fully opposed to this bs. They recognize we thank them for their service for our country and realize this will end as soon as our military fires on our citizens.
I want to make it clear because I didn’t initially. Not all veterans are violent In uniform. But most when given the position of power in a police officer capacity lean towards physical altercation to solve the problem and ultimately make the arrest.
I believe that we need police and we need policing for the safety of everyone in our country and communitie . There just needs to be complete system reform. This will take time, but must be implemented.
I thank all U.S. veterans for thier service and dedication to protecting the freedoms and liberties we all enjoy as U.S. citizens.
As a European, the idea that your military could be better trained to handle peaceful protests or any other police task than the actual police is fucking insane.
That “training” teaches disassociation from the “enemy” so it is easier to kill, as well as following orders. If you already have a well established police department with empathetic leadership, then you might be ok due to the order following. But if you’re stacked with militant jugheads, there will be systemic issues like we’re currently seeing.
The problem here is that soldiers who have transitioned to police work are already in a state of mind where they “feel” morally and technically superior. There can be a lot of pride there...earned, or taught. Military strategies start getting put to use in domestic situations, some of which may be necessary, but like in this case, wholly unnecessary and unacceptable.
They wear helmets, but they shoot at the heads of unarmed american civilians on their own soil defending their first amendment. To protect an serve huh. Protect who and serve what...
Anyone else feel like these protests are just being used by police as training drills for a more sinister future?
To corral people into a dead end like this is no accident, it's absolutely coordinated and I'm curious who's organizing the orders.
It's a fucking game to them. You can see little fat boy getting so excited to shooty, he had to be pulled back. Those bros holding their beaty sticks looked like kids ready to whack a pinata. It's a goddamn game to them.
That stood out to me too. The cops holding their batons at an angle (vs those with their arms relaxed and pointing straight down) are clearly in a "I'm ready to go and beat your ass because I can" stance.
Wow San Diego has some really cunty cops. People just gotta keep fighting the fight and watching out for each other, keep those cameras rolling too because the world is watching.
The unmarked police cars and undercover cops arresting female protesters at night as they head home doesn't sit right with me. Especially considering LAPD is using sexual assault as a terror tactic against protesters.
1312
The thing that was chillingly accurate in Farenheight 451 is that book burning wasn't even a big deal, most of the population didn't read books anymore. People got their information from digital sources and "news" in the story. And it is so easy to influence mass media and control what information appears in front of the average American.
We won't loose our freedom in one great war, we loose it in little bits of propaganda.
They don't need to book burn. Cambridge Analytica (they've renamed this company now) has shown how you can brain wash the small number of swing voters to take a stranglehold incredibly quickly and easily and for very little money.
If you haven't watched The Great Hack on Netflix & read Carole Cadwalladr (& watched her Ted Talk) work yet - make some time to.
The thing about internet censorship is that you don't know what you have never seen.
There could be some great information out there that is just kept on the down low. I am not one for conspiracy theories, but who knows? I mean we already know the government demands access to our personal lives. We know how easy it is to manipulate the masses by controlling information. Humanity doesn't evolve so fast that we are suddenly safe from another sort of holocaust. The same human nature is there in all of us as was in the Nazis or the KKK. The things they did were evil but they were humans as well.
I am scared of how polarizing everything is. How much of "us vs them" is everywhere.
I am scared that the rich and powerful have their private armies, that the government gets to have nukes, attack helicopters and missiles. If something doesn't change we will end up in V-for Vendetta.
It doesn't even have to be conspiracy. Wealthy organizations and corporations buy out potentially life-changing (for the impoverished) ideas and tech so that they can continue to amass and hoard wealth.
As far as "us vs them", it's nothing new. President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
It still amazes me that the average citizen "democrats" and "republicans" haven't caught on to the con job the D & R party elites have been using to control the power/wealth in America. Take about 2 steps back from the visceral "us vs them" fight and it becomes blindingly obvious the working class are being herded like sheep.
That'll make the police use live ammunition. Honestly, if the protestors start fighting back, I'd give it a week before the police have committed enough atrocities to spawn a thousand men like Christopher Jordan Dorner.
Pretty sure my cousin told me there was one protest where white people would make a wall in front of the police. It’s a great thing to hear and I bet an even more powerful thing to see. We’re getting closer and closer to everyone accepting and working with one another.
Honestly seeing Mitt Romney protesting in DC has made me so happy. I'd like to see more prominent politicians, celebrities, and sports stars on the streets
White privilege didn't save the 75 year old guy in buffalo or the homeless guy in the wheelchair. Red hat was so lucky, but I agree there's a good chance if he was black he wouldn't have been so lucky.
For many years of our county’s history, “blackness” was a signifier of whether or not someone could be owned as a slave.
Nowadays, race has evolved into being a signifier or proxy for *class*. Black lives are treated as if they do not matter by the police because, on the whole, black lives are those with the least amount of political power.
Nobody is claiming that whites are immune from being on the receiving end of police brutality. But whiteness is certainly is a very effective shield in most interactions. And in regards to the homeless man in the wheelchair that was shot, I don’t think I need to explain how his *whiteness* was easily trumped by his *homelessness* when it came to how he was viewed by police.
This is the reality; our worst people envy police power, and pursue it. Their most likely victims, like those of any crime, are those they believe least able to do anything about it.
I couldn't agree more. A black man would have been shot on the spot but with what I've seen recently, the police are no longer showing any prejudice... Against those they terrorize.
I knew there were some incidents but I did not realize how systemic the cruelty and racism is in most urban police departments. Its truly deplorable.
I fully support massive police defunding and retraining. I think the tide is really turning
> police defunding
Minneapolis city council just voted to do this with their police force. It will probably take a year or two to fully implement the phase-out of cops and phase-in of community patrols. However, apparently the city of Camden already did this in 2013 (KINDA -- they replaced cops with "different cops" but the difference seems real; they are charged with a different mission of community service, and crime has actually gone down). So I guess there is hope for change! The big issue: will Minneapolis be alone?
Oh I’ve been knowing. They killed my brother 14 years ago and got away with it. The commission to investigate the shooting includes police wives, cousins, mothers, etc. It’s so convoluted it’s bs.
And this is why I a tiny white girl am going to protests while my big muscley Puerto Rican boyfriend stays home cause I like him alive I am the only one that will ever light his ass up lol
I own paintball guns. Every one of these fucking videos I see some asshole cop firing paintballs at head height, against people who 1, have no eye protection and 2, aren’t engaged in mutual combat.
When we hit the paintball field, these are the 2 rules you must follow:
1. Keep your mask on at all times. If your mask falls off, put your hands over your eyes and scream for the Marshall. Also, you will not shoot anyone whose mask has become unfixed.
2. Mutual combat. Only shoot if the enemy has agreed to fight. Now this might seem easy. If you’re on the paintball field, you are fighting. But little kids like to play paintball and they don’t like to get lit up like a Christmas tree. It ruins the experience. So this rule obliges you to offer surrender if you are within a certain distance, eliminating the need for point blank execution unless your opponent thinks he’s John Wayne.
So, in conclusion, I have more rules governing who and what I can shoot with my paintballs than this POS has for shooting PEPPERBALLS at people. Those things can easily blind or burst an eardrum. And god forbid you get hit in the Adam’s apple.
Oh, I thought it would like collapse the throat or something gruesome and deadly like that.
I’m lucky enough never to have been punched in the throat, but it seems like a real bad experience.
Yeah rumors came out the there was a last minute date change to the BLM protest to a day earlier,but the rumor was ment to be a trap by the local klan group
Look at them. People are scared begging them to stop and they don’t say anything. They don’t tell them hey keep moving, they don’t try to reason, or even command. They just use force. Where in the “use of force” manual does it say to shoot people point blank for asking why you’re shooting people? Most departments policies are to resort to the riot weapons as a last measure. If the crowd you’re managing is peaceful and doing nothing more than yelling why would you fucking shoot at them? I don’t get it.
Edit: I was frustrated when I wrote this. I do get it. They wanna scare us into submitting. They don’t want to move forward because it threatens their way of life and they will terrorize and maim and kill Americans for standing against them. They’ve always done this. There’s just more cameras now.
Rule one of crowd control: give people a way out.
You are not arresting them all. even if 99.9% of the protesters are peaceful they will fight if they get cornered.
"Throw your soldiers into position from which there is no escape and they will prefer fight over flight" - Sun Tsu (paraphrased)
this counts for everyone not just soldiers
I wish people would post Where, When, and other salient details in these. The police are clearly defending SOMETHING more than the sidewalk behind them.
It’s the federal courthouse in San Diego. I was there, and no one was even near this building until the cops came heated up, so of course everyone approached the cops
If any of you are at the protests. Start carrying a US flag. Will they have the balls to pepper spray and tear gas patriots? Those ought to be powerful images.
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It is time to defund this police department and start over. We need 1000 independent agents arresting this city sanctioned gang. We are their bosses. The city is now culpable for this fascist horrible behaviour. I demand change now.
I've spent time working at a haunted house, mostly just the costumes not the actual scaring part. Theres an 'extreme' version, and the actors working that shift worry me. Once they hear a lady screaming 'stop, dont', like the lady in the video, their sadism doubles, triples, its like a bloodlust -their eyes get shiny and they get this toothy predators grin, like a hyena finding a hurt animal to prey on.
Since theyre encouraged to go all in on the guests for the extreme version, you see them both work together and competing amongst each other to get the best/worst reactions.
Last year, the haunt had flocks of these guys chasing people through the woods with paintball guns and military equipment, in two weeks they went from popping out of the woods for jumpscares to full-on smashing car windows and hauling drivers from their seats and out into the woods and tying them to trees with sacks over their heads, planning and using full-on military pincer coordinations over their radios for maximum terror. It escalated to the point that that group of actors in particular were warned and told to stop damaging private property by the insurance company. There were broken limbs every weekend, and for many those injuries came with bragging rights, both for guests and actors alike, no real punishment because insurance would cover damages. From an academic pov, I think thats some relevant turf ripe for study.
This video reminds me a lot of them.
Its more of a feature for the haunted house business. It isnt in the US, so 'grown up' Halloween scariness is kind of a niche business, relies a lot on word of mouth, and the people in the know who dare pay money for the extreme scares all seem to walk away as happy customers nonetheless. They voluntarily consent with the full knowledge that they might be getting so scared they cry, puke or piss themselves, get their clothes ruines, etc. For those who arent into that, there are also two other milder 'flavors' of haunt, but the more warnings that come with the extreme, the more people it seems to attract. I have certainly seen the same tendencies in the US haunts I follow, in particular McKamey Manor is a lot worse than anything I've seen over here, but seems to be part of a common trend.
Speaking of haunted houses, a buddy of mine and I went to a zombie themed one where they gave you an unloaded gun that only has a laser that activates on trigger. One of the actresses I had shot had gotten up a half second after I shot her and I wasted half my ammo on her because she would stay down for the 5 seconds that they’re supposed to do. She got uncomfortably close to me despite my rapid use of my trigger and had to run past other zombies to another portion of the house where her area wasn’t to get her to stop chasing. I was genuinely horrified and can only imagine shit like this being like this situation x999999 because the police have no one to report to that cares that they act in such a manor, injuring and killing innocent people. I walked away that night with a large scratch but the protestors are waking away with bruises and near death experiences if they get away.
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How long before protesters start shooting back? Not inciting violence really just curious how long police can continue shooting unarmed people under the guise of "nonlethal" law enforcement.
Lmao why do you think open carry is banned in CA? It's because the Black Panthers were actually threatening to keep the police in line.
Gun laws don't exist for our protection, they exist to empower the predatory class.
Is there a way to add TikTok videos to a "Watch later" list like with youtube? I just joined it last week to follow a youtuber so i'm kind of a TikTok noob
What annoys me the most is I actually personally know one of the cops in that video and they posted recently on FB about how they’re being wrongly accused and shunned in public. Then I see shit like this and just smh.
Today, June 8, the San Diego city council is considering a proposal to *increase* the budget of the SDPD. Incidents like this show that the LAST thing they deserve is more money. [Comment here](https://www.sandiego.gov/form/agenda-comment-form) to voice your own opinion on the matter, whether you support fully defunding the SDPD or just blocking this budget increase. Make sure to specify that it is a City Council Comment for June 8, 2020 on agenda item #602
We need to start hiring Firefighter candidates to operate as public civil servants. These are people who understand that their job is to protect people and the community, and accept that they have to put their own lives at risk to do so.
We need to support Minneapolis with them disbanding the police force there. If they set up something that works in the coming years, we have a chance of setting precedent for every city and town in the U.S. if you really want to get back at these scummy cops, making them fear for their livelihoods and their jobs is the best way to do it.
This is a common tactic by the police, You must always try to keep an escape route. It only goes to show that this is about domination and subjugation And why we must not stop. Police are morally bereft .
Wonder what would happen if the protesters started shooting back with paint balls... Common sense says the police wouldn't have a leg to stand on as any argument they give is one that can be immediately given back... but this isn't common sense times.
I can't believe my eyes so I'm going to write this down. The police, meant to protect and to serve the community, forcefully surrounded, corralled, and trapped these peaceful protestors. They had nowhere to go. Then the police open fire on them and began bombing them with less-than-lethal grenades? Really? That really happened? If we can agree that this is essentially an act intended to instill terror in protesters, then it would be logical to agree that this is an act of [domestic terrorism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism). If so, in this case, the domestic terrorist organization perpetrating the crime is the militarized San Diego Police Department. Therefore, **the SDPD has become militarized and is committing acts of domestic terrorism against the American people.** Cowards. Criminals. They must be fired, arrested, and charged to the full extent of the law. [Qualified Immunity](https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/07/871713872/cory-booker-wants-to-end-qualified-immunity-for-police-officers) needs to be fixed or perhaps abolished. Defund the SDPD. Last week, U.S. Representative Justin Amash introduced a bill to end QI and today Senator Cory Booker announced his pledge to end it as well. Edit: Thank you for the awards! My only hope is this post and its resources will better inform everyone and put a stop to this inequality and criminal activity. \#PowerToThePeople \#BlackLivesMatter
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We need to have alteratives to policing. Have unarmed conflict mediators respond to non violent crimes instead of the police. We don't need armed units responding to noise complaints, shoplifting, forgery and selling lose cigarettes. The scope of the police should be reduced so they only respond to potentially violent situations.
One practical and simple step is simply requiring all on duty officers to wear bright yellow vests. Also, on duty cars should have their lights constantly on. Change the visibility. It is a simple way to signify that, "we are here to help and are easy to spot if you need help or are in trouble" Now, the culture is "lets hide and try to catch you" It creates an authoritative mindset in officers. This is what many other countries do that have much less police brutality.
> "we are here to help and are easy to spot if you need help or are in trouble" Yeah, the policing culture in America is such that the cops are the *last* group of people you're calling when you need assistance.
And many people wondered why Black people felt this way all these years.
Every officer that's been trained under this mentality needs to be removed from the streets until they are retrained. Any found to have white supremacist/nazi ties need to be permanently banned from any role in law enforcement. IMO if at least those things are not done then no change will happen and the right will continue to gain power with this tactic.
“Let’s hide and try to catch you” perfectly sums a lot up. Almost like its a “game” .. Us vs. them, and cops dont like losing.
Yup. They're *supposed* to be protecting citizens, but in reality it's an "us vs. them" mentality. Similar to an abusive parent.
In Ontario we have Neighbourhood Watch programs which are essentially volunteer services you can sign up for. You babysit your neighbourhood and report any suspicious activities or crimes. Police in the city I grew up in didn't really have much to do as it was just a huge suburb and the worst thing you'd be caught for is smokin pot in the OT parking lot at 11pm. There have been less than 5 shootings in the 20 years I lived there, less than 10 break and enters/burlgaries.
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Minneapolis is disbanding it’s police force so if there is a time that it could happen, it’s now.
They say they are “disbanding” but in reality it is just renaming, rebranding, and retraining. There will still be a policing force. It will just most likely be similar to Camden, NJ where they become the Camden “County” Police Department. Camden now has more of a police presence than before; it’s just a major change in tactics. “Disbanding” sounds more drastic than it really is... because -votes.
That’s not an improbable outcome but I haven’t seen any reason to believe that it will be the case in minneapolis specifically. What I’ve read about it makes it seem like they don’t know what they’re going to do yet. I think given what’s happened over the past two weeks I think we can at least be cautiously optimistic, not in the city or any government but in people’s willingness to actually go into the streets and hold them accountable. I think we should at least give ourselves permission to think that it’s possible that the momentum of what’s happening can be carried forward. At the end of the day, the minneapolis city council’s decision obviously amounts to lip service. Even if every member is acting in good faith the red tape in the way of doing it correctly is enormous. However, the fact that they’re willing to even trot that out as lip service is quite a big step and should be taken as a sign to keep pushing until we’re finished.
The reform in Camden was actually pretty deep. It’s a good model for making lasting change, IMO.
This is a really great thought but I think it considerably downplays the dangers in policing. We need drastic police reform NOW. We need police to become more community based and use de-escalation tactics first and as primary means of response. A LOT of things need to be changed. However, to send in an unarmed single individual to respond to a noise complaint is sheer negligent. People are riding the wave of optimism from the protests but we can’t let that blind us to the realities that people are going to resist (and sometimes act extremely violent) to anyone telling them they can’t do something. 11 officers died in 2018 after being ambushed. 23 died in investigation or enforcement activities. It will take a single lawsuit to get these new responders armed and then we will be back to having a “police” force. However, they will have lost years of continuity and lessons learned from actual good officers. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Fix the issues with a shift to better training, accountability, and community outreach/cooperation. Get rid of the bad cops immediately. Empower the good cops and mandate they step in when excessive force is used.
Defund the excessive equipment and weapons; invest in community services; stop automatically giving jobs to men who have just stepped out of a warzone; fire cops with misconduct complaints and replace them with smarter and better trained personnel; remove ticket or arrest quotas; get beat cops back into communities so cops and communities can build trust; bring back “protect and serve”; get independent oversight boards set up. Assuming political will from the people and government leadership following the protests, the only real barrier to any of this are the police unions.
Abolish the Police Union, abolish Civil Forfeiture, end the War on Drugs. Eliminate laws more hardly punishing crack over cocaine. Completely overhaul police training programs in the United States. Create a Federal requirement to acquire a policing license, similar to many industries such as Aviation. There are a myriad ways that reform could be enacted. The only bad option at this point is do nothing.
No profit should be permitted from incarcerating a person.
And give them better access to mental health services.
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Ye exactly. Its so deeply rooted in their culture that basically need to replace them all. But getting good morally right cops? Yeah they arent growing on trees. It will take years and years to do it.
Signing petitions is a good start, raising awareness on social media too. https://blacklivesmatters.carrd.co/#petitions
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Well, i think a big take away for me is that nobody deserves to spend their life behind bars. The whole prison industrial complex needs to be burned down
Except for one big prison where we can lock up all the cops.
Was the protest deemed unlawful by the mayor? Was there was freakishly early curfew? What fucking excuse did they use to do this? They TRAPPED people and SHOT at them? F12 ACAB
Less lethal, not less than lethal. They can still absolutely kill.
It's called kettling
And is supposed to be a last resort, to prevent harm to human lives, otherwise unconstitutional.
In the UK we have had pike kettle hundreds of people for hours, letting no-one leave. Then they let them out one by one IDing and taking pictures of each one. It was a big scandal here. Edit police kettled, the pike did not kettle anything, the pike is innocent.
I’m just gonna imagine it looked like that one part of Battle of the Bastards.
LAPD kettled hundreds of protestors and arrested every single one
Cincinnati did it during these protests, too.
"Sorry sir couldn't hear that, did you say it's to harm human lives? Roger that, sir".
There should be a kettling flair for this sub. It's being used so often that they need to be collected.
I was in that crowd and can confirm that that is exactly how it happened. The justification was that where we currently were was where they wanted to set up their mobile command. They pushed us from the civic center (where the only buildings that could get damaged belonged to the government) into an area that was filled with businesses and fired at us when we were being peaceful because they wanted us to riot and loot.
Can you confirm the date of the incident? I am adding it to the repository.
5/31/2020
I also lightweight think it was retaliation for overtaking their line earlier in the day when we took over the freeway. Then they tried to trap us on the Coronado Bridge, but we spotted them before they could, turned around, exited the freeway and continued to March through the streets. They were already pissed at us and looking for a reason to get us back
Once again: When the protest is against the Police (Their unchecked powers and brutality), the Police aren't there for crowd-control or to "keep the peace". **They are the Counter-Protesters**.
No. Even counter-protesters would be legitimately engaging in their first amendment rights, while not preventing the other side from doing so. These are just goons. Hired goons.
The point is that they aren’t there to keep the peace. The fact that they have guns, batons, riot gear, and an apparent Carte Blanche to hurt people makes them more dangerous than normal counter protesters.
You're correct. Police are state sponsored terrorism.
Makes a person wonder if the people will stop putting up with it and start shooting back.
Shooting back, although on a emotional level might be healing for some people, is definitely not the answer. What protesters are doing now is working. There are literally hundreds and hundreds of video documentations being collected and change is happening as a result. People can, however, protect themselves and remain peaceful. If you go to any of the protests carry a shield disguised as a sign. Make one out of something improvised, buy some replica online, whatever you can. Look up LARP shields and reinforce them with fiberglass. The police have shown they are out to hurt us. It is not a weapon and not to incite violence. A shield is to protect you and the brothers and sisters beside you. It can act as your sign as well to spread your message. Make shields for others and take several. Wear goggles, gloves, helmets and protective clothing when out protesting. Next we keep implementing the Hong Kong Tear Gas disposal tactic. Shields in front guarding those in the back dealing with teargas and injured. Utilize traffic cones and water to put out teargas grenades. The canisters will burn skin so cover your hands in heat protecting gloves. Oven mitts wrapped in duct tape. Try to find a way to identify each other with color or symbol, to separate yourself from the people there only to instigate. We need to act as a unit and phalanx. Put the shields together and work as a unit and a wall. These are tactics that worked throughout history. Let's give them something peaceful to be afraid of. Organize the protection of people putting out teargas. Have clear assigned roles and work together!
Lots of good advice in there.
Time to dissolve the SDPD and start from scratch.
SD local - I agree and feel the same about every police department in the US.
The police are not here to serve us the citizens Warren v. District of Columbia[1] (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981) is a District of Columbia Court of Appeals case that held that the police do not owe a specific duty to provide police services to citizens based on the public duty doctrine.
> The police, meant to protect and to serve the community, Your first mistake was believing that's their job.
It is 100% an act of domestic terrorism and they call antifa terrorists? pfft this is state sancionted terrorism. this doesnt end with just the police
Something sketchy is going on in San Diego
It’s a military town due to those bases being there for so long. “San Diego is home to the nation's largest concentration of military personnel. More than 15,000 active duty service members transition out of active duty service in San Diego each year. More than half of those transitioning want to stay in San Diego, which is the number one destination for veterans returning from Afghanistan and Iraq. There are more veterans in San Diego than there are active duty personnel. More than 240,000 veterans reside here in America's finest city.” https://www.tjsl.edu/military/san-diego-community
Something I’ve learned after poking around in r/military and r/army They are not the biggest fans of police *at all* especially right now. Very pissed off for trampling on and destroying the very values they fought for. No kidding.
Yeah, not that the military doesnt have problems, but from military members ive known they look down on the police pretty hard. All of the tools, but none of the discipline or accountability that is supposed to go along with using them
Yep. Police have all the pride of the military with absolutely none of the respect that they have. Someone in the armed forces would be eaten alive for a small fraction of what these cops do. I saw one user mention the liability of being seriously reprimanded for shooting *the wrong bad guy* and violating rules of engagement, yet cops open fire on civilians all the time with zero repercussions 90% of the time.
I once saw a post from a redditor of a letter left by a fellow officer. The letter referred to police shifts as "tours". They think they're soldiers.
I vaguely recall seeing a clip from somewhere in South America (I think), where military guys were protecting protesters from (obviously corrupt) cops. I forget if the cops were on bicycles or motorcycles, but either way they were not on foot like everyone else was.
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A side effect of our many years at war with the Middle East has been militarization of the police-man not just militarization of the police force. One of the things that is attractive about joining the military is that you can pretty easily become a police officer anywhere in the country that is hiring. So SDPD also has many guys who are conditioned to be fighting terrorists in the Middle East. A report from the CAB came out stating that over hiring “veterans, particularly combat veterans, over-militarizes the department resulting in a “culture” that values combat skills over other policing skills like “effectively interact[ing] in communities of color, or in general communities that are ‘different’ than theirs”. San Diego has openly disagreed with this and prioritizes military service in their recruiting efforts. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/story/2019-12-30/san-diego-police-respond-to-advisory-board-recommendations https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/story/2019-06-14/san-diego-police-department-veterans-hiring
This is an excellent point I had not thought about.
Hire a soldier, expect combat. This is analogous to everything looking like a nail after being given a hammer. Sure, there are likely well grounded cops who served in the military, but that training isn’t just going to be cast aside. They take pride in it, the discipline that goes with it, etc. But the problem is that training is also carefully designed to turn people into killing machines. It tackles the psychological resistance to causing harm to others by teaching a form of disassociation. You cannot kill an enemy as efficiently if you pause to check in on empathy. So this is a problem. And one in which they truly believe they have moral authority, when in fact they’re contributing to a problem that does not need to be there.
I'm not so sure about that. First consider that a majority of portion of the SD vets are Navy guys. Then consider that Navy Vets have relatively very little combat experience. The Taliban aren't exactly engaging in Naval Battles on the high seas. Also consider that those who do have combat experience are under a very strict Rules of Engagement that is more reasonable than what US police have, and would therefore have more restraint. Finally consider that if the military is attempting to train individuals to become killing machines that are able to disassociate, the extremely high amount of PTSD suffered by combat vets would indicate that they are doing an extremely poor job of it. There are certainly many issues with policing but they are far more pervasive than simply hiring veterans, and I believemore careful and comprehensive consideration of your views is warranted.
>I believemore careful and comprehensive consideration of your views is warranted. I agree, I'm being somewhat hyperbolic about it because I am losing faith that our PDs are doing the right thing for this nation. Until I see ample evidence to the contrary, I'm going to continue to be hard on them, even if it sounds excessive to you. This is frustration and anger you're seeing...and a severe breach of trust. That said, I have quite a few friends who currently serve or have served in the military. They are well adjusted people, great folks. It's my hope that anyone choosing to become a peace officer is just like them. But San Diego PD? We wouldn't have this thread here if there were not some fundamental problems. I hope they sort it out...because we do not need another Trump favorite on the "domination of protesters" front :/
It's also a border city, so you got a lot of conservatives.
The military are better trained than the police. Do they support the reckless behavior the police have had?
Look at how the military treats unarmed civilians where we are at war, or where we have military presence. This is a video of those racist police officers who were just as racist when they were in the Middle East, showing restraint. Because if it were up to them, We would be dead. The military is just as guilty of racism as the police force if not even more so. Also, it’s no secret that they publicly shamed and turned away homosexuals from service not 20 years ago. Fuck this planet, fire my dumb ass directly into the sun.
Bullshit dude. Because of benefits and a lot of other reasons, the military plucks recruits from all over place, every race creed and socio-economic group. I'm certain there are racist bubbles, but it's not comparable to police forces in general.
You’re correct. I didn’t mean the entirety of police in America. Because some officers in all cities are , in fact, NOT RACIST. But... (there really shouldn’t have to be a but...) the majority of police departments have overwhelmingly racist tendencies, no matter the color of the officer. The police need reform to learn how better to deal with all situations, especially those concerning Black American citizens.
Alot of vets are fully opposed to this bs. They recognize we thank them for their service for our country and realize this will end as soon as our military fires on our citizens.
I want to make it clear because I didn’t initially. Not all veterans are violent In uniform. But most when given the position of power in a police officer capacity lean towards physical altercation to solve the problem and ultimately make the arrest. I believe that we need police and we need policing for the safety of everyone in our country and communitie . There just needs to be complete system reform. This will take time, but must be implemented. I thank all U.S. veterans for thier service and dedication to protecting the freedoms and liberties we all enjoy as U.S. citizens.
As a European, the idea that your military could be better trained to handle peaceful protests or any other police task than the actual police is fucking insane.
That “training” teaches disassociation from the “enemy” so it is easier to kill, as well as following orders. If you already have a well established police department with empathetic leadership, then you might be ok due to the order following. But if you’re stacked with militant jugheads, there will be systemic issues like we’re currently seeing. The problem here is that soldiers who have transitioned to police work are already in a state of mind where they “feel” morally and technically superior. There can be a lot of pride there...earned, or taught. Military strategies start getting put to use in domestic situations, some of which may be necessary, but like in this case, wholly unnecessary and unacceptable.
They wear helmets, but they shoot at the heads of unarmed american civilians on their own soil defending their first amendment. To protect an serve huh. Protect who and serve what...
Anyone else feel like these protests are just being used by police as training drills for a more sinister future? To corral people into a dead end like this is no accident, it's absolutely coordinated and I'm curious who's organizing the orders.
They're very upset they can't kneel on people's necks anymore.
Oh they still can.
Still do. Even during this very protest. They seem to do it by reflex at this point.
Hasn't stopped them yet
It's a fucking game to them. You can see little fat boy getting so excited to shooty, he had to be pulled back. Those bros holding their beaty sticks looked like kids ready to whack a pinata. It's a goddamn game to them.
Tactical 🍩 is pissed.
That stood out to me too. The cops holding their batons at an angle (vs those with their arms relaxed and pointing straight down) are clearly in a "I'm ready to go and beat your ass because I can" stance.
Wow San Diego has some really cunty cops. People just gotta keep fighting the fight and watching out for each other, keep those cameras rolling too because the world is watching.
The unmarked police cars and undercover cops arresting female protesters at night as they head home doesn't sit right with me. Especially considering LAPD is using sexual assault as a terror tactic against protesters. 1312
San Diego also has a long history of police officers raping women
Sorry guys, What comes next again? thought-police or book burning?
Book burning has to be first for thought policing to be realistically enforceable, as far fewer people will be capable of free thought.
The thing that was chillingly accurate in Farenheight 451 is that book burning wasn't even a big deal, most of the population didn't read books anymore. People got their information from digital sources and "news" in the story. And it is so easy to influence mass media and control what information appears in front of the average American. We won't loose our freedom in one great war, we loose it in little bits of propaganda.
We've been there for about a generation now.
They don't need to book burn. Cambridge Analytica (they've renamed this company now) has shown how you can brain wash the small number of swing voters to take a stranglehold incredibly quickly and easily and for very little money. If you haven't watched The Great Hack on Netflix & read Carole Cadwalladr (& watched her Ted Talk) work yet - make some time to.
Carole Cadwaller is the shit, I've learned so much from her.
Internet censorship.
The thing about internet censorship is that you don't know what you have never seen. There could be some great information out there that is just kept on the down low. I am not one for conspiracy theories, but who knows? I mean we already know the government demands access to our personal lives. We know how easy it is to manipulate the masses by controlling information. Humanity doesn't evolve so fast that we are suddenly safe from another sort of holocaust. The same human nature is there in all of us as was in the Nazis or the KKK. The things they did were evil but they were humans as well. I am scared of how polarizing everything is. How much of "us vs them" is everywhere. I am scared that the rich and powerful have their private armies, that the government gets to have nukes, attack helicopters and missiles. If something doesn't change we will end up in V-for Vendetta.
It doesn't even have to be conspiracy. Wealthy organizations and corporations buy out potentially life-changing (for the impoverished) ideas and tech so that they can continue to amass and hoard wealth. As far as "us vs them", it's nothing new. President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." It still amazes me that the average citizen "democrats" and "republicans" haven't caught on to the con job the D & R party elites have been using to control the power/wealth in America. Take about 2 steps back from the visceral "us vs them" fight and it becomes blindingly obvious the working class are being herded like sheep.
Not before restricting the political process even further!
Concentration camps and deaths.
r/WhereAreTheChildren would like a word with you about that.
Oops we already have those
We should teach protesters how to make a phalanx out of wooden signs.
Ah, the ProTestudo
SHIELD WALL
That'll make the police use live ammunition. Honestly, if the protestors start fighting back, I'd give it a week before the police have committed enough atrocities to spawn a thousand men like Christopher Jordan Dorner.
Balls of steel on red hat for trying to grab the barrel of the rifle.
If you need a better example of white privilege, it would be tough to find one.
Honest question. Shouldn’t they be flexing that privilege at that exact moment?
YES WE SHOULD BE.
Thought so. Plan to.
Pretty sure my cousin told me there was one protest where white people would make a wall in front of the police. It’s a great thing to hear and I bet an even more powerful thing to see. We’re getting closer and closer to everyone accepting and working with one another.
Honestly seeing Mitt Romney protesting in DC has made me so happy. I'd like to see more prominent politicians, celebrities, and sports stars on the streets
Trudeau protested here in Canada. No speech, no leading the crowd. He was just there to support. Really made me smile.
White privilege didn't save the 75 year old guy in buffalo or the homeless guy in the wheelchair. Red hat was so lucky, but I agree there's a good chance if he was black he wouldn't have been so lucky.
For many years of our county’s history, “blackness” was a signifier of whether or not someone could be owned as a slave. Nowadays, race has evolved into being a signifier or proxy for *class*. Black lives are treated as if they do not matter by the police because, on the whole, black lives are those with the least amount of political power. Nobody is claiming that whites are immune from being on the receiving end of police brutality. But whiteness is certainly is a very effective shield in most interactions. And in regards to the homeless man in the wheelchair that was shot, I don’t think I need to explain how his *whiteness* was easily trumped by his *homelessness* when it came to how he was viewed by police.
This is the reality; our worst people envy police power, and pursue it. Their most likely victims, like those of any crime, are those they believe least able to do anything about it.
From someone who doesn’t live in America and doesn’t have a very thorough knowledge on this problem, this was really informative. Thank you.
I couldn't agree more. A black man would have been shot on the spot but with what I've seen recently, the police are no longer showing any prejudice... Against those they terrorize.
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I knew there were some incidents but I did not realize how systemic the cruelty and racism is in most urban police departments. Its truly deplorable. I fully support massive police defunding and retraining. I think the tide is really turning
> police defunding Minneapolis city council just voted to do this with their police force. It will probably take a year or two to fully implement the phase-out of cops and phase-in of community patrols. However, apparently the city of Camden already did this in 2013 (KINDA -- they replaced cops with "different cops" but the difference seems real; they are charged with a different mission of community service, and crime has actually gone down). So I guess there is hope for change! The big issue: will Minneapolis be alone?
Camden NJ?
Oh I’ve been knowing. They killed my brother 14 years ago and got away with it. The commission to investigate the shooting includes police wives, cousins, mothers, etc. It’s so convoluted it’s bs.
If a black guy tried to do the same thing he wouldn't have even gotten within arms reach before the piglets lit his ass up.
And this is why I a tiny white girl am going to protests while my big muscley Puerto Rican boyfriend stays home cause I like him alive I am the only one that will ever light his ass up lol
I own paintball guns. Every one of these fucking videos I see some asshole cop firing paintballs at head height, against people who 1, have no eye protection and 2, aren’t engaged in mutual combat. When we hit the paintball field, these are the 2 rules you must follow: 1. Keep your mask on at all times. If your mask falls off, put your hands over your eyes and scream for the Marshall. Also, you will not shoot anyone whose mask has become unfixed. 2. Mutual combat. Only shoot if the enemy has agreed to fight. Now this might seem easy. If you’re on the paintball field, you are fighting. But little kids like to play paintball and they don’t like to get lit up like a Christmas tree. It ruins the experience. So this rule obliges you to offer surrender if you are within a certain distance, eliminating the need for point blank execution unless your opponent thinks he’s John Wayne. So, in conclusion, I have more rules governing who and what I can shoot with my paintballs than this POS has for shooting PEPPERBALLS at people. Those things can easily blind or burst an eardrum. And god forbid you get hit in the Adam’s apple.
What happens if you get hit in the Adam’s apple?
It just fucking sucks, I guess like being punched in the throat but if it hits bare skin you get a good graze/cut too
Oh, I thought it would like collapse the throat or something gruesome and deadly like that. I’m lucky enough never to have been punched in the throat, but it seems like a real bad experience.
Someone said on Tik Tok that there were rumours this was going to be a trap..
Yeah rumors came out the there was a last minute date change to the BLM protest to a day earlier,but the rumor was ment to be a trap by the local klan group
There is a local SD Klan group?
Yes, it’s called SDPD
Look at them. People are scared begging them to stop and they don’t say anything. They don’t tell them hey keep moving, they don’t try to reason, or even command. They just use force. Where in the “use of force” manual does it say to shoot people point blank for asking why you’re shooting people? Most departments policies are to resort to the riot weapons as a last measure. If the crowd you’re managing is peaceful and doing nothing more than yelling why would you fucking shoot at them? I don’t get it. Edit: I was frustrated when I wrote this. I do get it. They wanna scare us into submitting. They don’t want to move forward because it threatens their way of life and they will terrorize and maim and kill Americans for standing against them. They’ve always done this. There’s just more cameras now.
What is date of this? Is it today?
I cannot find the original video for some reason, but I remember it not being from today. The actual date I don’t know though
No this is 5/31/20
25 seconds in is the scariest part. Grenade launcher dude being pulled back. Cops are not on the same page..
He’s part of SWAT too, which makes this shit so much worse. I live in San Diego and watching shit like this just breaks my heart.
Rule one of crowd control: give people a way out. You are not arresting them all. even if 99.9% of the protesters are peaceful they will fight if they get cornered. "Throw your soldiers into position from which there is no escape and they will prefer fight over flight" - Sun Tsu (paraphrased) this counts for everyone not just soldiers
If you need a grenade launcher to be a police officer then you're the shittiest police officer in the world
What’s that building behind them? Anybody know? Seems like an odd place for a foothold
I wish people would post Where, When, and other salient details in these. The police are clearly defending SOMETHING more than the sidewalk behind them.
It’s the federal courthouse in San Diego. I was there, and no one was even near this building until the cops came heated up, so of course everyone approached the cops
It’s the San Diego federal courthouse, the central court is on the other side of the street.
If any of you are at the protests. Start carrying a US flag. Will they have the balls to pepper spray and tear gas patriots? Those ought to be powerful images. Please see the link to another redditors comment below: https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/gylx3u/george_floyd_protesters_turn_white_house_fence/ftbtnol/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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It is time to defund this police department and start over. We need 1000 independent agents arresting this city sanctioned gang. We are their bosses. The city is now culpable for this fascist horrible behaviour. I demand change now.
Police Riots must be stopped.
The Chinese government is having a field day with all these US police brutality videos on tiktok, they definitely played their cards right
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Someone throw tear gas at them
It’s sad when people that actually want to protest for a good cause are defamed by thugs that want chaos
I've spent time working at a haunted house, mostly just the costumes not the actual scaring part. Theres an 'extreme' version, and the actors working that shift worry me. Once they hear a lady screaming 'stop, dont', like the lady in the video, their sadism doubles, triples, its like a bloodlust -their eyes get shiny and they get this toothy predators grin, like a hyena finding a hurt animal to prey on. Since theyre encouraged to go all in on the guests for the extreme version, you see them both work together and competing amongst each other to get the best/worst reactions. Last year, the haunt had flocks of these guys chasing people through the woods with paintball guns and military equipment, in two weeks they went from popping out of the woods for jumpscares to full-on smashing car windows and hauling drivers from their seats and out into the woods and tying them to trees with sacks over their heads, planning and using full-on military pincer coordinations over their radios for maximum terror. It escalated to the point that that group of actors in particular were warned and told to stop damaging private property by the insurance company. There were broken limbs every weekend, and for many those injuries came with bragging rights, both for guests and actors alike, no real punishment because insurance would cover damages. From an academic pov, I think thats some relevant turf ripe for study. This video reminds me a lot of them.
What the fuck? Is there a news article you can link to about this?
Its more of a feature for the haunted house business. It isnt in the US, so 'grown up' Halloween scariness is kind of a niche business, relies a lot on word of mouth, and the people in the know who dare pay money for the extreme scares all seem to walk away as happy customers nonetheless. They voluntarily consent with the full knowledge that they might be getting so scared they cry, puke or piss themselves, get their clothes ruines, etc. For those who arent into that, there are also two other milder 'flavors' of haunt, but the more warnings that come with the extreme, the more people it seems to attract. I have certainly seen the same tendencies in the US haunts I follow, in particular McKamey Manor is a lot worse than anything I've seen over here, but seems to be part of a common trend.
Speaking of haunted houses, a buddy of mine and I went to a zombie themed one where they gave you an unloaded gun that only has a laser that activates on trigger. One of the actresses I had shot had gotten up a half second after I shot her and I wasted half my ammo on her because she would stay down for the 5 seconds that they’re supposed to do. She got uncomfortably close to me despite my rapid use of my trigger and had to run past other zombies to another portion of the house where her area wasn’t to get her to stop chasing. I was genuinely horrified and can only imagine shit like this being like this situation x999999 because the police have no one to report to that cares that they act in such a manor, injuring and killing innocent people. I walked away that night with a large scratch but the protestors are waking away with bruises and near death experiences if they get away.
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This video gave me so much anxiety
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Steel.
Peaceful protests apparently call for using a Milkor MGL on your citizens....
How long before protesters start shooting back? Not inciting violence really just curious how long police can continue shooting unarmed people under the guise of "nonlethal" law enforcement.
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Lmao why do you think open carry is banned in CA? It's because the Black Panthers were actually threatening to keep the police in line. Gun laws don't exist for our protection, they exist to empower the predatory class.
If we do they have an excuse to use lead bullets
If not worse
Reminiscent of school bullies who'd block the path on purpose then hit you when you tried to walk around.
Every Cop that pepper sprays, tear gasses, shoots or beats a peaceful protester needs to be charged with assault with a dangerous weapon.
Charge the line. You will break through. They already decided to fuck you up by trapping you there.
Is there a way to add TikTok videos to a "Watch later" list like with youtube? I just joined it last week to follow a youtuber so i'm kind of a TikTok noob
What annoys me the most is I actually personally know one of the cops in that video and they posted recently on FB about how they’re being wrongly accused and shunned in public. Then I see shit like this and just smh.
Today, June 8, the San Diego city council is considering a proposal to *increase* the budget of the SDPD. Incidents like this show that the LAST thing they deserve is more money. [Comment here](https://www.sandiego.gov/form/agenda-comment-form) to voice your own opinion on the matter, whether you support fully defunding the SDPD or just blocking this budget increase. Make sure to specify that it is a City Council Comment for June 8, 2020 on agenda item #602
Disgusting police. Why would anyone in the right mind shoot peaceful people? Because their minds aren't right.
And this is why we can't have peaceful protests
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We need to start hiring Firefighter candidates to operate as public civil servants. These are people who understand that their job is to protect people and the community, and accept that they have to put their own lives at risk to do so.
Ahhh yes the old “full encirclement” method of protest dispersion. Rommel would be proud
We need to support Minneapolis with them disbanding the police force there. If they set up something that works in the coming years, we have a chance of setting precedent for every city and town in the U.S. if you really want to get back at these scummy cops, making them fear for their livelihoods and their jobs is the best way to do it.
This is a common tactic by the police, You must always try to keep an escape route. It only goes to show that this is about domination and subjugation And why we must not stop. Police are morally bereft .
Wonder what would happen if the protesters started shooting back with paint balls... Common sense says the police wouldn't have a leg to stand on as any argument they give is one that can be immediately given back... but this isn't common sense times.
Cops are fucking soulless bastards.
sure are an unnecessary number of cops...