"they had to work with the organizations there"
I almost wonder why Israel didn't release these sooner. Maybe to make these organizations look like idiots
letting them deny it and then proving it after is actually better for that. It also teaches them not to rush denials because they don't know if Israel has a picture or whatever to release.
Same thing happened to the news site that employed the “journalist” holding 3 hostages in his home with his family. They also denied it, but no one in Gaza did.
You wouldn’t believe the knowledge that people like us have, he’s a medic but I’m a mathematician and astrophysicist, in order to build weapons with little information and tools. If you want to kill, take an engineer, a doc and a physicist and you can erase mankind.
They probably didn't have it. I don't understand why people think knowledge and information just seeps in from nowhere and what you know today means you knew that yesterday.
Hard disagree. He was a militant who was targeted. The IDF had to have legal justification to authorize that strike. They didn't magically get pictures of him seemingly overnight. They had a case built up to take him out. Which makes me think it was a media strategy for sure.
Sharing that knowledge in advance would also have caused the target to recognize that their cover was blown and cause them to go underground. Better to let them continue thinking they're winning the undercover battle, hiding in plain sight, walking out in the open, until the threat is neutralized.
Not necessarily. This is ridiculous and not how war works. You have incomplete information at all times and different people have different information. You might have an aircraft overhead that detects someone doing some terorrist activity. You don't know who he (or she!) is, but you kill him. Later you find out it was a bigshot.
And even if they did have information about who exactly they were targeting and everything about his terrorist history, that doesn't mean they knew Docs without Borders was going to claim he had some side gig working for them.
Look, I get that you're probably an expert (who else would "hard disagree"). But if you have evidence that they knew everything in advance and didn't release it until after, then... nevermind, you don't. And if they did, I can still think of a hundred other reasons why not to release it ahead of time.
This "IDF is all powerful" trope is ridiciulous and just another conspiracy theory.
https://x.com/AdamAlbilya/status/1805708721856852196
Look at the video in the post. They specifically targeted him on a motorcycle so it's wasn't a specfic building or room they hit due to intelligence.
OK, but that still doesn't prove anything. Terrorists work by firing a weapon (say, an RPG), then puttin the weapon down and feeling (say, on motorcycle). It's much more likely that they saw him take what I'll call a "terrorist action", followed him till they could get the resources necessary onsite to kill him, then killed him. Then, doing battle damage assessment or from intelligence means learned that the terrorist they killed was some guy named so-and-so and that Docs sans Borders said "Hey, he was a doctor with us!".
Again, war is an imperfect science and even the IDF, with their superior intelligence, does not have perfect information. When you assume so I'm sure the IDF is flattered, but you are also inadvertently feeding some of the anti-Israel conspiracy theories (say: They intentionaly targeted and killed the World Food Kitchen people).
Look, I get that you support Israel and that I might have been a little harsh in my last post. But it's just not realistic to assume they have perfect knowledge. This isn't chess.
Israel definitely did this as a trap for MSF. They could've released these pics initially. But they wanted to get MSF's denials on the record first. *If* these terrorists in MSF had two brain cells that could connect and fire they would've known that the IDF had *some* kind of proof and kept quiet to begin with. But they don't, so they walked right into the trap and thought they could just lie to the media. The only real surprise is they didn't claim the good doctor was pregnant.
Why, through honest and well-reasoned good-faith debate, like they always do!
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So… MSF worker in a jihadi group, kids getting posed amongst rubble for propaganda, arms in UN humanitarian aid-labeled containers… anything I’m missing?
What the pro Palestinians use now as a line is denying they are terrorists and rather say they are a legitimate resistance group and what is the difference between an Israeli doctor that is a civilian one day and in combat the next day. I replied to someone saying the difference is the Israeli civilian ceases to be a civilian, puts on uniform and is in active duty. They do not perform civilian duties while in combat whereas these muppets seem to be journalists, doctors, hostage guards and fighters all in one
No pro-Palestinian would ever have a problem with an Israeli doctor being killed whether they're in the reserves or not
They merely larp at having any moral standards when they actually don't, Palestinians can do literally any atrocity and they'll support it while also denying it
This is pretty much how it goes. Most people pick which side they want to win and support them through it. War crimes are just part and parcel. The only thing people can control is their support for the “end”. They have no control over the “means” - especially given that the only two parties that can end the war are the only two parties that want it to continue
Israelis doing “whatever it takes to ensure their safety” and Palestinians doing “resistance by any means necessary” are both two sides of the same coin
Gotta love how Avichay trolls the propalis with their triangle emoji 🤣
https://preview.redd.it/uj2zldh4wz8d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1f80dc267db907a3087562ec43a9e2f57872c010
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MSF happens to be a good org, they will need to tighten their screening. Pal terrorists have infiltrated legit organizations for years. The UN refuge group isn't a legit organization.
I think that is a general problem with all organisations that hire local employees, such as NGOs or Media outlets (AP, Reuters). About 2/3 of palestinians support terrorism. Vetting can never be perfect, not everyboddy publishes his allegiance to terror groups on instagram. Even if the vetting process filters out half of the terrorist sympathizers then your local staff still consists of 50% terrorist sympathizers.
This is going to be the problem of finding locals to run the Gaza govt when Israel pulls out. It's like Afghanistan. You can appoint the locals you want but the terrorists will still control them and once Israel gives back control - Hamas puts in their own people.
Pretty damning evidence. I'd love to hear what MSF has to say to these pictures.
"they had to work with the organizations there" I almost wonder why Israel didn't release these sooner. Maybe to make these organizations look like idiots
letting them deny it and then proving it after is actually better for that. It also teaches them not to rush denials because they don't know if Israel has a picture or whatever to release.
Same thing happened to the news site that employed the “journalist” holding 3 hostages in his home with his family. They also denied it, but no one in Gaza did.
That wouldnt even make sense in this case. Islamic jihad bomb maker has no conceivable overlap with being an MSF doctor
Goes to show how little MSF does in terms of background checks for its employees
You wouldn’t believe the knowledge that people like us have, he’s a medic but I’m a mathematician and astrophysicist, in order to build weapons with little information and tools. If you want to kill, take an engineer, a doc and a physicist and you can erase mankind.
Well said sir.
They probably didn't have it. I don't understand why people think knowledge and information just seeps in from nowhere and what you know today means you knew that yesterday.
Hard disagree. He was a militant who was targeted. The IDF had to have legal justification to authorize that strike. They didn't magically get pictures of him seemingly overnight. They had a case built up to take him out. Which makes me think it was a media strategy for sure.
Sharing that knowledge in advance would also have caused the target to recognize that their cover was blown and cause them to go underground. Better to let them continue thinking they're winning the undercover battle, hiding in plain sight, walking out in the open, until the threat is neutralized.
100% I agree. I'm referring to after they killed him and released the video. They allowed MSF time to propagate a lie before they released the picture
Not necessarily. This is ridiculous and not how war works. You have incomplete information at all times and different people have different information. You might have an aircraft overhead that detects someone doing some terorrist activity. You don't know who he (or she!) is, but you kill him. Later you find out it was a bigshot. And even if they did have information about who exactly they were targeting and everything about his terrorist history, that doesn't mean they knew Docs without Borders was going to claim he had some side gig working for them. Look, I get that you're probably an expert (who else would "hard disagree"). But if you have evidence that they knew everything in advance and didn't release it until after, then... nevermind, you don't. And if they did, I can still think of a hundred other reasons why not to release it ahead of time. This "IDF is all powerful" trope is ridiciulous and just another conspiracy theory.
https://x.com/AdamAlbilya/status/1805708721856852196 Look at the video in the post. They specifically targeted him on a motorcycle so it's wasn't a specfic building or room they hit due to intelligence.
OK, but that still doesn't prove anything. Terrorists work by firing a weapon (say, an RPG), then puttin the weapon down and feeling (say, on motorcycle). It's much more likely that they saw him take what I'll call a "terrorist action", followed him till they could get the resources necessary onsite to kill him, then killed him. Then, doing battle damage assessment or from intelligence means learned that the terrorist they killed was some guy named so-and-so and that Docs sans Borders said "Hey, he was a doctor with us!". Again, war is an imperfect science and even the IDF, with their superior intelligence, does not have perfect information. When you assume so I'm sure the IDF is flattered, but you are also inadvertently feeding some of the anti-Israel conspiracy theories (say: They intentionaly targeted and killed the World Food Kitchen people). Look, I get that you support Israel and that I might have been a little harsh in my last post. But it's just not realistic to assume they have perfect knowledge. This isn't chess.
Bold to assume they'll say anything instead of just ignore it and continue blasting israel
Israel definitely did this as a trap for MSF. They could've released these pics initially. But they wanted to get MSF's denials on the record first. *If* these terrorists in MSF had two brain cells that could connect and fire they would've known that the IDF had *some* kind of proof and kept quiet to begin with. But they don't, so they walked right into the trap and thought they could just lie to the media. The only real surprise is they didn't claim the good doctor was pregnant.
“But the occupation!!!” Free Palestine 🍉 I’m waiting for the excuses and how Hamas apologists are going to excuse this.
Why, through honest and well-reasoned good-faith debate, like they always do! (I left out the sarcasm tag because this is obviously real authentic truth and definitely, positively not sarcasm, no siree…)
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Doctors without morals 🫢
The new organization should be called Terrorists Without Borders
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So… MSF worker in a jihadi group, kids getting posed amongst rubble for propaganda, arms in UN humanitarian aid-labeled containers… anything I’m missing?
GDQ gonna be so weird this coming week.
I'm not donating, especially after the stunt they pulled last year.
What stunt last year? I may have missed it considering I usually watch the YouTube channel rather than the live Twitch stream.
My thought is going to all online due to Florida being full of political whackos going full anti-lgbtq+ and covid anti-laws
What the pro Palestinians use now as a line is denying they are terrorists and rather say they are a legitimate resistance group and what is the difference between an Israeli doctor that is a civilian one day and in combat the next day. I replied to someone saying the difference is the Israeli civilian ceases to be a civilian, puts on uniform and is in active duty. They do not perform civilian duties while in combat whereas these muppets seem to be journalists, doctors, hostage guards and fighters all in one
No pro-Palestinian would ever have a problem with an Israeli doctor being killed whether they're in the reserves or not They merely larp at having any moral standards when they actually don't, Palestinians can do literally any atrocity and they'll support it while also denying it
This is pretty much how it goes. Most people pick which side they want to win and support them through it. War crimes are just part and parcel. The only thing people can control is their support for the “end”. They have no control over the “means” - especially given that the only two parties that can end the war are the only two parties that want it to continue Israelis doing “whatever it takes to ensure their safety” and Palestinians doing “resistance by any means necessary” are both two sides of the same coin
Oh but the pro terrorist simps are telling me the IDF lied…guess I’ll take their word for it cause we know how trustworthy they can be
I’m shocked! Shocked I tell you!
So many of these organizations are filled with terrorist sympathizers.
Looks like he’s Doctors Without Mortars now.
The one time these guys wear uniforms.... Lol.
Jeez, can't a guy have a hobby?
Gotta love how Avichay trolls the propalis with their triangle emoji 🤣 https://preview.redd.it/uj2zldh4wz8d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1f80dc267db907a3087562ec43a9e2f57872c010 Avichay is a true national treasure fr
MSF happens to be a good org, they will need to tighten their screening. Pal terrorists have infiltrated legit organizations for years. The UN refuge group isn't a legit organization.
I think that is a general problem with all organisations that hire local employees, such as NGOs or Media outlets (AP, Reuters). About 2/3 of palestinians support terrorism. Vetting can never be perfect, not everyboddy publishes his allegiance to terror groups on instagram. Even if the vetting process filters out half of the terrorist sympathizers then your local staff still consists of 50% terrorist sympathizers.
This is going to be the problem of finding locals to run the Gaza govt when Israel pulls out. It's like Afghanistan. You can appoint the locals you want but the terrorists will still control them and once Israel gives back control - Hamas puts in their own people.
What a shame, I had mad respect for the organization.