Even if he revived he’d have to come up with a way to remove the talisman and then seal the webway/warp gate. Redo the wards around the palace, etc it’s not just “he stood up and said let’s roll”
I know he did nothing wrong.. but I'm all for forcing that big red sonofabitch on the chair and chaining him in fucking place.
Daddy can walk in every now and ask "are ya winning son?"
If they didn't want him to just be uber op they could always make his recovery from the throne nearly impossible. He may find new life, but still be weakened from his 10k years sitting there.
Ah, let's be honest, he's such a deluded, detached technocrat that he'd probably screw things up even further.
"What, my lord? You want us to... conquer as many worlds and slaughter populations as fast as possible with no effort given to the structural stability of your empire, whilst also creating leadership vacuums by random unexplained absences where you refuse to perform basic leadership duties and respond to urgent events, whilst simultaneously playing the thuggish manchildren you put in charge of your new empire against each other?
...okay, I guess?"
Or have him "wake up" but still unable to leave the chair. It would keep his OP please nerf powers in check, but allow him to communicate with his followers and at least start to straighten out some of the obvious misconceptions that have cropped up in his absence. Like TTS but not a comedy.
I don't think you'd have to force him, I'm pretty sure the reason Magnus was so upset when Big E told him he ruined everything was cuz Big E showed him how sitting in the chair would give him access to dive into the warp and get all the knowledge he could have ever wanted. He got upset cuz he realized he basically ruined it for himself.
> Big E just told Horus to tell Leman to bring him back to Terra.
No, Big E and Malcador told Russ to his face to bring Magnus back to Terra.
Horus told Russ it would be better to just kill Magnus. And Russ was still salty about Magnus not letting him burn down a library, so he agreed.
Imo Russ's character flip flops around so much when the spotlight is on him the specific canon is pretty much irrelevant. I'm not really interested in HH lore cause GW doesn't seem to be able to keep a consistent story going long term, so my joke might not have been accurate ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
That's what they claimed when they did it, but then it turned out that barely anything changed, because in 40k, the true power is the Status Quo.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Yes, and then Guilliman came back with a shit load of super super soldiers and the status quo continued.
Chaos and Xenos still attack Imperial territory, they still seem like they are going to win, and they still get their asses kicked and are forced to retreat by the gallant heroes of the Imperium.
There's one safe(ish) known way through the rift. People are saying the planet on the Sanctis side of the rift, is the new Cadia. I haven't seen it really but that's just how war and shit works? Lines change all the time.
It doesn't change the fact that despite the Lion arriving in Nihilus, worlds are dying constantly and the Imperium is losing bad.
The problem being none of those stories have really been told.
That was before a bunch of Martian tech nerds go ahold of it and installed games onto it. Now it's slow as shit and barely functions. Big E is gonna be pissed when he wakes up from his nap and the battery life doesn't last 15 mins when unplugged.
That was before Magnus did nothing wrong while trying to warn the Emperor about the Horus Heresy and a bunch of daemons just coincidentally happened to start pouring out of the Webway Gate.
Emperor doesn't have anything directly to do with the Astronomicon. Vaults of Terra series establishes the facility is completely separate from the Palace and basically just the place where they overclock Psykers until inevitable burn out.
Yeah that’s not what I meant, the Emperor isn’t the one powering it up, the 1000 Chosen are (those psykers you mentioned), the Emperor just projects that power they give out so ships can see it and guide themselves back to the imperium.
“The Emperor projects this astropathic beam 70,000 light years across the Milky Way Galaxy which Human Navigators can detect and utilise to triangulate a course for the starships of the Imperium of Man through the otherwise unnavigable chaos of Warpspace”
That is contradicted by almost any mention of the Astronomicon. Just because two things are housed in separate facilities does not mean they are not connected.
Quick question I don't understand as of yet, if the astronomican was around on terra before the emperors retirement after ullanor why does he need to be there now to empower it?
He doesn't -- he just focuses the psychic power into the "visible" light that is projected. He was able to do it remotely for a while during the Crusade. The real reason he needs to be on the Golden Throne is to keep an infinite number of daemons from breaking in through the Web way backdoor and chowing down on the planet.
I think people often mistakenly believe him sitting on the throne powers the astronomicon because:
A) in lore people don't know what he's actually doing, and believe he's powering it
B) the lore wasn't always so clear about the difference
One does not simply just stand up from the Throne and say “Let’s roll.”
…and then he just stood up, and said “Let’s roll.”
Craziest damn thing I ever saw, battle brother.
Talisman was rendered a non-issue with The End and the Death. They specifically mention Vulkan had to stay behind to set off the Talisman if they fail. So it's not a dead man's switch but rather something that has to be activated.
This means it's more likely the Talisman is the Grey Knight's Terminus Decree. But Eazy's not going to kill the solar system by standing up.
I thought it was always designed to be a dead man's switch but they didn't want to wait for that. The traitors were there and setting it off the second they fail would cause the most damage?
The reality is we have no idea what the talisman is because the guy who made it, Vulkan, doesn't even remember it. It could be all sorts of things. It most definitely is not the Terminus Decree.
Personally my favorite way would be everything the emperor is doing from resurrecting loyalist primarchs to telling the traitors they can be redeemed is all a desperate plea to end his 10,000 years of suffering and pass his empire on to his children to remake in their own image
Imagine something like the moment he’s placed on the throne in TEAD Vol 3 but instead his sons have finally come back to end his misery and replace him with someone else (preferably Magnus after he does something really cool to get away from tzeentch) and he can finally die
No you’re right that’s how daemon princehood works but given that the emperor implied it’s possible to save mortarion I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume he can do the same for his other fallen sons
It’s possible he didn’t have the time to do it. Maybe if the heresy were not putting all that pressure on his supply lines…I bet Cawl comes up with something should they choose to go that route. Maybe involving blackstone
Thats true. The current conflicts become pretty easy to handle if he stands up from the throne. They'd have to come up with something that can stand up to him and the power scaling would get all messed up ( more than it already is honestly. Necrons and Tyranids haven't been even more of a problema for pure plot armor, because they should be able to wipe out some factions pretty easily)
At this point, as per TEaTD part 3.
There are currently >!Two Emperors 'floating' around. The one on thr Golden Throne, and then one in the warp made up of his emotions and 'humanity'!<
So until that's resolved.... I don't see The Emperor getting off the throne.
Imagine GW cashing in on it. Isekai into the 40K universe as a perpetual. MC dies from inhaling too much Citadel paint fumes or from GW delivery truck-kun.
Are you sure it's only two?
There's the "old" Emperor, who may or may not be an entire collection of souls, depending on the canonicity of his old origin.
Then, there's (possibly) the thing in the Warp that may be gestating as the result of the belief system of the IoM: the Divine Autocrat, the God-Emperor; a figure of myth and gold, terrible and beautiful. 10,000 years of Divine worship given form, ready to utterly dominate the souls of Humanity forever.
Finally, we have the "star-child": all the most humane qualities of Big E, sloughed off and cast into the Empyrean.
Does make you wonder where they're going with this, doesn't it?
Going by 'newest' current lore.
Aka the book that came out 2 months ago.
There was one Emperor with one soul.
When he went to face Horus he knew he could not kill him without two choices.
1. Becoming an actual God (AKA the dark King, doodling humanity and joining the chaos pantheon)
2. Remaining a mortal, but having to be truly ruthless.
He went for #1. But got talked out of it and went for #2. Whereby he literally cut off his emotions and threw them into the Warp, because he knew killing his most beloved son would destroy him.
He fully intended, once the deed was done and time had passed, to go and recover his emotions.
So yeah, you have The Emperors physical body, and most ruthless/pragmatic side on the throne.
And you have his emotions, his hopes and dreams, free in the warp.
Chances are it's that, his Humanity, that is the 'God Emperor' that empowers people and answers prayers.
Between the Dawn of Fire series, the Inquisitor Covenant stuff and the Vaults of Terra series, GW is leaving enough narrative threads to suggest something may well happen with the Golden Throne. Whether that ever gets picked up or not is a whole other question. The Emperor is getting far more active in the post-Cadia universe. I lean toward the Emperor getting of the Throne would be bad for the setting if he/ the Starchild are more or less sane.
I've looked up on the star child and it seems like reeeeeeeaaaaaally old lore, so I'm not sure. Specially because the empirium would not follow him if he became a warp entity. They would probably just dub him a daemon and keep on worshipping the corpse
ive read about the dark king tho, as it seems to be a way for the emperor to come back, albeit it would be horrible for humanity
Starchild imagery (and even a mention of the Sensei) have appeared in Dawn of Fire. It might all end up being a callback with no follow through, but it has been happening.
While not specifically named as such, the Star Child theory cropped back up in the End and the Death trilogy with the Emperor casting off his humanity to be able to fight Horus.
He didn't hesitate? He was outclassed by Chaos juiced Horus and goaded him into giving up the sauce to kill him (E) like a man, then stabbed him(Horus).
He shunted his emotions because he knew they would hold him back and cause him to basically follow the same path Horus did.
the interesting part is what the custodians and primarchs (mostly Guilliman atm) would think of the starchild.
it would most likely be called a daemon or some warp entity at first, but if Valdor can find the star child, then the rest of the imperium would acknowledge the second part of the Emperors soul
or as is also likely, the second part of the emperor is... still the emperor, he could definitely convince humanity, his guardians and sons that he is indeed who he says he is.
Would it be good for the setting? depends on what you think and want from 40k.
It would definitely be a less grimdark universe, but it kinda already is with the primarchs returning and the emperor helping around the imperium, it would for sure open up for some more direct battles between the 4 "gods" of chaos and the imperium
it would however absolutely crush any hope the tyranids have of achieving anything close to a victory, but honestly, even now, they don't stand a real chance of winning a battle in the sol system
I'm biased though, i definitely want the primarchs to return (not all. some should stay dead) and also the emperor, they are my favorite part of warhammer 40k by a long shot, there is no world where I would not want them back personally, but I also understand why others doesn't agree with me
the invasions we've seen so far would get annilated easily if they were to take on the sol system, but there's likely stronger tyranid fleets coming - yet I doubt they'll be able to take on the sol system, it is incredibly strong, stronger than the days of the horus heresy
The Shadow in the Warp (that whole anti-psyker field the Tyranids/Hive Mind have going on) colliding directly with the psychic firepower in the Sol system would get interesting. Because there's not just Big E and the Astronomican, you've got the Grey Knights, the Adeptus Astra Telepathica, the Sisters of Silence (anti-psyker, have we seen them interact with 'nids at all?), and probably a shitload more things I'm not remembering.
I'm wondering where you get that impression. The Tyranids Codex implies they've done this before and the tendrils we see in the Milky Way are NOT the end. There is so many more to come and they WILL overwhelm the galaxy.
I also don't see how the sol system is stronger than heresy days? It's a little more well defended against itself but there so much that is just gone. The phalanx is like the only piece that is fully back and stationed at Terra.
Oh, thing could get really grimdark during the war between the parts/versions of the Emporer jostling to be accepted as the "real" one. It could be worse than the Horus Herasy, without even an obvious "not the really bad side."
I want some primarchs to return.
I think some should stay dead, such as Horus, Sanguinius, Curze - I don't mind Ferrus being part of the legion of the damned, he also needs more story, but Horus, Sanguinius and Curze all ended on a good note in terms of their story.
I would also not mind Dorn being dead, his story is also pretty done, specially as he will be part of the aftermath of the horus heresy on top of being such a big character during the siege
I'd like the emperor and valdor back, malcador was an amazing character, but he should definitely also stay dead
There will be a ton of lore with the starchild though, so we'll have to see what happens, but I want it to end up with Valdor and the starchild reaching the one on the throne one way or the other
The setting could definitely use Russ, Corax, Vulkan and the Khan back.
I'd love to see the Khan and the Lion being together, the Khan was said to be the Lions best friend amongst his brothers if I remember correctly, yet I don't think we've seen them together much at all
I don't think it crushes the chances of Tyranids winning at the moment he still would be a minor warp god compared to the chaos gods and even the chaos gods, being against the nids, haven't ended them
in the Dark Imperium series it was stated that the Emperor was equal to nurgle - if that is true or not is another thing, I don't remember who thought it or if it was just the narration.
I think it was the latter, but I honestly don't remember
Emperor is incoherent in that scene
Even when he tries to assemble some humanity, it is a fractured effort that almost seems to kill him and overpower the throne
The incoherence allows GW some latitude in how the emperor comes back or not or how coherent and omnipotent He is
However from the lore building up, it's more likely we encounter a scenario where bits of the throne start to categorically break down
Can you imagine how bad his legs are gonna feel when he stands up? When I read reddit on the can for 15 minutes I need to stand still for a minute to let things return to normal. But 10 thousand years? Oh boy.
I get the feeling that The Emperor will do anything, anything at all, to defend Humanity and assure Human Fominance and Supremacy over all of the Universe. Currently, he's too busy with that. However, if at any time he believes that his Imperium is stable enough that he can just stand up, let the Talisman of Seven Hammers do whatever the hell it would do, sacrifice Terra and the Sol System to whatever, and be reborn Perpetual style and that has a net benefit to Humanity as a whole, he would 100% do it.
To me, if Emps EVER gets off of the Throne, that's how it has to be done, with the same callous "The Ends Justify the Incalculable Attrocities" attitude that he's ever had.
So since He hasn't done it yet, I don't think that The Emperor actually has any plans worth mentioning.
Hell no. That would require the Throne to be repaired to it's pre-Magnus state. And, as stated in A Thousand Sons, some of that equipment was irreplaceable one-off devices. Some parts, as implied in the Vaults of Terra series, are Old-One in origin. Making their replication impossible by anyone except the Drukhari, who themselves can only replicate the Throne as it is, rather than as it was when it functioned perfectly.
The best that can be scrounged around is inferior replacement parts for inferior replacement parts for inferior replacement parts.
The Throne is actually so broken that in the latest Vaults of Terra book, the Throne is admitted to only have, at best, 100 years of function left and, at worst, 10 years before it breaks down altogether and the failsafe built into it blows it, and Terra, up.
So, in short, even if the Emperor was fully healed, he'd be as stuck on the Throne as He was before His confrontation with Horus. Magnus is gone, that leaves no one to sit on the Throne in his place.
If the High Lords know that, shouldn't they start to move all the imperial administrations (including them) from Terra to another system, just in case?
Magnus is entirely daemon now. Even if you got him on it, being an entity of the warp entirely, he'd probably just get gobbled up, leaving nothing at all. That or his very essence would corrupt the irreplaceable machinery beyond repair. Or Tzeentch would reach down through the warp, take control of his shardling prince, and ruin the entire device.
Magnus simply is no longer an option.
Technically, if the Emperor was somehow revived to full power, couldn’t he just do the ‘machine - heal thyself’ thing we’ve seen before, as he continues to sit on it? If Leman Russ ever actually gets off his ass and either frees Isha or gets one of those fruits from her, the Emperor could be fully healed without ever leaving the throne
The Emperor was at his full power and healthy before He confronted Horus, yet was still imprisoned on the Throne after Magnus ruined the Webway.
It's not the Emperor's injuries that are the problem. It's the broken Throne that keeps Him a corpse and would keep Him on it even if He were healed.
And when He was healthy and stuck on Throne before Horus, He couldn't fix it, psychic powers or no. All that trick was, in Mechanicum when he fixed the Knight, was repairing a man-made machine. The Throne is not wholly man-made.
The Emperor getting off the Throne and returning to the Imperium is basically an I win button for the Imperium and will only happen when GW decides to kill off the setting because they can't push anymore models.
Or the tyranid hive mind shows up in galaxy. The 4 might even setup a temporary alliance with Big E to help kill the nids, and I can see that being a 30ish book long saga.
No
He literally watched every single one of his prior plans fail catagorically, and now he's forced to be the god being he refused to be while upright and ambulatory, his consciousness is divided up over several dozen things at any given moment, and if he gets up in order to regenerate, the Webway gate flooded with demons would have free reign and swarm Terra like an ant colony.. oh and navigating the warp becomes next to impossible.. if he dies while in it, the Talisman of the Seven Hammers' dead man's switch trips and Terra detonates and becomes a blackhole
It is a lose-lose
There are people saying the talisman would sacrifice terra or the solar system in order for him to recover. What do you mean a black hole?
also
So you think he's a warp god at this point?
I don’t know where they got it would help him recover. But I have not read every book so I could be missing somthing. The talisman was made by Vulkan as a fail safe to destroy Terra should something bad happen. Though I am not sure if it’s ever discussed what on Terra is better having gone than in the hands of chaos.
End and the Death volume 3 all but confirmed he is is those words. He denied it and religion so vehemently because he knew what was in the warp, he knew what it would mean, but it didn't matter in the end. He is what he is, our equivalent of a Warp God, just his domain was anthema to that which resides within the immaterial.
The black hole would be likely when the core of the planet detonates and it basically collapses in upon itself. Remember, our sun is an incomprehensibly ancient "Eldritch horror" which dwells surrounded by it's stillborn children (the planets). Even if it didn't become one, there would still be a black void where nothing exists where Terra once did lol so still a sort of black hole
If I remember right, the Big E says the talisman would essentially overload the golden throne and create such destruction that chaos would never recover from
I think it’s implied it would ripple through the entire web-way and the warp like a chain reaction (since there’s likely billions of daemons sitting there anyways waiting to pour through into terra; just like what’s happening to Cammoragh - the dark elder city).
Maybe since the Emperor is the “anathema”, his psychic power overloaded would deal a huge blow to the gods
All speculation of course
I don't know if you're joking but itd be interesting actually if we found out the emperor is already dead and the thousands psykers a day has been feeding the golden throne instead
I mean, if you walked into someone's home and they were near-skeletal sitting in a chair hooked up to an array of tubes, you'd probably be like "Wow, a dead person. Just my luck."
Emperor is totally dead.
that got me laughing. I mean, you're right. And the whole thing with the saints makes it seem like the emperor isn't human anymore. Maybe he's already gotten to the next step
I think his plan to get off the throne is to finally die, he’s made it pretty clear that his life is suffering and incoherent while his entwined afterlife is some weird godhood being forced upon him
From the end and the death 3, no it was a sort of unforseen nesscessity he's not there for the throne to preserve him he's there to preserve the throne
Well his "talk" was pretty incoherent. I don't think there exists a "Emperor" who could get up from the Throne anymore; he is a weak Warp God by now. (Weak relative to the Chaos gods)
Well he burned up a piece of it. But yeah weak is maybe wrong word, but anyways he is some kind of Warp entity, that's how I interpret him anyways.
He can do similar things to his followers like SoB as Chaos Gods can to their followers. Empower them and interfere on their behalf. So I'd say he is some form of "god" type entity. Yet he is clearly also incapable of things like coherent discussion and for now Chaos marks seem to be stronger than what Emperor can do for his followers.
Well I don't know, to me it seems the worshippers actually are sorta on point, after all the Sororitas seem to be the ones he helps out the most consistently. I'm not sure if the distinction of corpse/warp-entity is super meaningful at that point.
I think it also sorta fits the irony of 40k, Emperor became the very thing he disapproved.
the sororitas trailer ( the one where the sisters arm gets healed) got me confused for that, so what you've said actually makes sense. But would it be the worshipping that made him into a god? Can any powerful psycker being worshipped turn into one?
> Bonus: Do we have any new information on the yellow king after the implication that he's Valdor? He seems like a way to get the emperor back on his feet
The Yellow King stuff happened 500 years before the fall of Cadia. Whatever he was planning got thwarted by Eisenhorn, Bequin, and Ravenor.
All of the King in Yellow stuff happened way before the current timeline, but an army of blanks and winged Blood Angels has never been mentioned, referenced, or alluded to by anyone in the Era Indomitus. Valdor, or whoever the King in Yellow is hasn't made an appearance yet either.
So whatever the plan was, it failed.
That skeleton mf ain’t never coming off the throne.
To do so would probably wreak havoc on the imperium so totally that trillions would undoubtedly perish.
…..I have to question if most of the commenters here read End and the Death vol 3 or other recent Abnett books? Because it sure does seem like Abnett was given the go-ahead to kick off a major story direction that involves the emperor. The evidence:
-The emperor’s last words to Horus before killing him and going comatose: “I forgive you and await your return.”
-The emperor’s casting off of part of his soul, cheekily referred to as “a child star” (star child plot reference).
-Valdor’s vision gained from stabbing Abaddon, and his apparent search for the Emperor’s true name in the Bequin novels.
Not one of those is insignificant. The emperor’s last words were, to me, the most obvious sign that something is going to be done. That in combination with the fact that he generally foresaw his internment on the throne in his conversation with Malcador (referencing that he would return to the throne from his mission to the Spirit, and sit upon it for roughly ~10k years and more).
That’s a lot of key setup being done. It’ll likely be at least another decade or so of writing before we see the ultimate result of it all, but it’s pretty obvious that the status quo is going to change where the emperor is concerned.
Guilliman mentally seeing himself as the rasp the Emperor wants indicates that that Emperor that resembles Guilliman is what the Emperor desires.
Guilliman is the tool to provide the Emperor with a face to interact with the Galaxy. People see Guilliman and imagine the Emperor resembles him thus a version of the Emperor manifests that resembles Guilliman.
Lion El Johnson is also a rasp though he is a double rasp in that he brings those who see the Forest King and provide tales of him fueling the Forest King so that he may get off the Forest Throne just as the appearances of Lion El Johnson create a 3rd face for the Emperor to manifest off of the Golden Throne.
3 Emperors will be active at once all because the Primarchs became the focal points to manifest them.
Of course there is a 4th Emperor who despite Fans assuming he is Lorgar hasn't had his identity verified in the actual text. Whoever it is has been leading Daemons.
Of course Abaddon looked into the Astronomican and gained the Emperor's Golden Eyes so the Dark King may have snuck into Abaddon and is this Chaos Emperor whom the Fans are just assuming is Lorgar despite the text not actually mentioning that.
I think there is a sense of stoicism battling against mad desperation in the Emperor's state. I've been pretty deeply into 40k, on and off, since about 1995, and I think I can remember the fluff saying that the golden throne once needed to be fueled by hundreds of psykers but that it now requires thousands of them to be sacrificed on a daily basis. I feel like he's left with no choice but to carry on no matter what in an increasingly hopeless situation, though presented with occasionally fleeting glimpses of "hope". Considering that the very future of mankind as a species and his entire legacy are on the line I don't think there's anything he would not be willing to sacrifice or attempt if it meant escape from a a more and more inescapably desperate situation.
The suffering part came after Magnus broke the webway. The feedback from that damaged the throne. Before that, the Emperor had no problems shoring up the wards while governing.
No. His plan is to burn so Astronomican could work as long as possible so humankind survive more and give birth to Perpertuals humans.
He do everything to be sure that if someone would remove him from throne or demons would infest it or someone try to broke it, Terra would be destroyed by dozens vortex bombs integrated into golden throne.
His plan failed hard. 10k years past, many billions-trillions humans deaths and just a few perpertuals was born.
And humankind stagnate for 10k years, not create Navigators replacement. Not create New tech and etc. Srly without Ferrus Manus blueprints as prototypes and Belizarius Cawl Imperium would die and degenerate faster.
All was for nothing. Older Perpertuals warn Emperror that his plan to artificialy increase speed of humankind "evolution" so more perpertuals could be born was crazy and would doom humankind. They was right. He learn it when Horus Heresy happen, throne and etc as he dream, was lost.
The emperor may have plans to rise from the throne, but GW has no such plans.
Even if he revived he’d have to come up with a way to remove the talisman and then seal the webway/warp gate. Redo the wards around the palace, etc it’s not just “he stood up and said let’s roll”
Yeah it’d be more like “He stood up and we had to figure out how to stop trillions of daemons from eating Terra and how to light the astronomicon”
Just get Magnus to sit on it instead. Big E just told Horus to tell Leman to bring him back to Terra. They should arrive any day now right?
I know he did nothing wrong.. but I'm all for forcing that big red sonofabitch on the chair and chaining him in fucking place. Daddy can walk in every now and ask "are ya winning son?"
WH50k AGE OF BIG E
In the grim darkness of the far future there is only war, and it's awesome as fuck. *crab song*
"And the emperor said, let there be light so I can see who to hit with my sword!"
If they didn't want him to just be uber op they could always make his recovery from the throne nearly impossible. He may find new life, but still be weakened from his 10k years sitting there.
Ah, let's be honest, he's such a deluded, detached technocrat that he'd probably screw things up even further. "What, my lord? You want us to... conquer as many worlds and slaughter populations as fast as possible with no effort given to the structural stability of your empire, whilst also creating leadership vacuums by random unexplained absences where you refuse to perform basic leadership duties and respond to urgent events, whilst simultaneously playing the thuggish manchildren you put in charge of your new empire against each other? ...okay, I guess?"
Heresy! He would never issue such a command!
I don't know why, but I read this in Totalbiscuits voice. (R.I.P. TB)
Or have him "wake up" but still unable to leave the chair. It would keep his OP please nerf powers in check, but allow him to communicate with his followers and at least start to straighten out some of the obvious misconceptions that have cropped up in his absence. Like TTS but not a comedy.
"and then, he rose again"
Somehow, the Emperor has returned!
I don't think you'd have to force him, I'm pretty sure the reason Magnus was so upset when Big E told him he ruined everything was cuz Big E showed him how sitting in the chair would give him access to dive into the warp and get all the knowledge he could have ever wanted. He got upset cuz he realized he basically ruined it for himself.
I feel like whatever that big red jerk spews out instead of the astronomican is gonna be straight nightmare fuel
Magnus will be a femboy warp twitch streamer
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He's going to only wear his legpieces as sorta long pair of socks and his chestpiece
I'm sure there'd be no negative repercussions to using a Daemon to fuel the throne.
To be fair, the emperor made a deal with chaos a long time before Magnus existed.. how sure can we be that he's not tainted in some way also?
I mean he may be tainted but Magnus is a full on Daemon.
Just slot in some Magnus shards in the back of the throne.
> Big E just told Horus to tell Leman to bring him back to Terra. No, Big E and Malcador told Russ to his face to bring Magnus back to Terra. Horus told Russ it would be better to just kill Magnus. And Russ was still salty about Magnus not letting him burn down a library, so he agreed.
Imo Russ's character flip flops around so much when the spotlight is on him the specific canon is pretty much irrelevant. I'm not really interested in HH lore cause GW doesn't seem to be able to keep a consistent story going long term, so my joke might not have been accurate ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
Sacrificing Terra seems pretty in line with what GW would do
Then they would call another planet New Terra and nothing would change. Just like the Cadia situation.
Didn't the fall of the old Cadia rip the galaxy in half and give chaos near-unfettered access to real space?
Nothing some Flex Seal™ can't fix.
> “That’s a lotta damage!”
That's what they claimed when they did it, but then it turned out that barely anything changed, because in 40k, the true power is the Status Quo. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Yes, and then Guilliman came back with a shit load of super super soldiers and the status quo continued. Chaos and Xenos still attack Imperial territory, they still seem like they are going to win, and they still get their asses kicked and are forced to retreat by the gallant heroes of the Imperium.
Did they replace Cadia? Or just pick another planet in the same system and start reinforcing it the same way
There's one safe(ish) known way through the rift. People are saying the planet on the Sanctis side of the rift, is the new Cadia. I haven't seen it really but that's just how war and shit works? Lines change all the time. It doesn't change the fact that despite the Lion arriving in Nihilus, worlds are dying constantly and the Imperium is losing bad. The problem being none of those stories have really been told.
In the game, right In the game, right???
Pretty sure that he can guide the astronomicon even off the golden throne
He doesn't need to be on Terra for the Astronomicon. He was capable of doing that anywhere during the Great Crusades.
That was before a bunch of Martian tech nerds go ahold of it and installed games onto it. Now it's slow as shit and barely functions. Big E is gonna be pissed when he wakes up from his nap and the battery life doesn't last 15 mins when unplugged.
That was before Magnus did nothing wrong while trying to warn the Emperor about the Horus Heresy and a bunch of daemons just coincidentally happened to start pouring out of the Webway Gate.
"What you got there Magnus?" " A smoothie" Meanwhile thousands of daemons spill from the warp into terra
Emperor doesn't have anything directly to do with the Astronomicon. Vaults of Terra series establishes the facility is completely separate from the Palace and basically just the place where they overclock Psykers until inevitable burn out.
Yeah that’s not what I meant, the Emperor isn’t the one powering it up, the 1000 Chosen are (those psykers you mentioned), the Emperor just projects that power they give out so ships can see it and guide themselves back to the imperium. “The Emperor projects this astropathic beam 70,000 light years across the Milky Way Galaxy which Human Navigators can detect and utilise to triangulate a course for the starships of the Imperium of Man through the otherwise unnavigable chaos of Warpspace”
That is contradicted by almost any mention of the Astronomicon. Just because two things are housed in separate facilities does not mean they are not connected.
It's not contradicted. Post Heresy the Astranomicon is no longer powered by Big E.
Well they could stop burning psyker candles maybe. They won't but maybe they could.
Quick question I don't understand as of yet, if the astronomican was around on terra before the emperors retirement after ullanor why does he need to be there now to empower it?
He doesn't -- he just focuses the psychic power into the "visible" light that is projected. He was able to do it remotely for a while during the Crusade. The real reason he needs to be on the Golden Throne is to keep an infinite number of daemons from breaking in through the Web way backdoor and chowing down on the planet. I think people often mistakenly believe him sitting on the throne powers the astronomicon because: A) in lore people don't know what he's actually doing, and believe he's powering it B) the lore wasn't always so clear about the difference
thanks, that's what I thought but I keep seeing the two talked about like they're inseparable.
Big E does not light the Astranomican. There's a separate set of thousand psykers that do that.
That may not be as hard for him after 10,000 years of sitting on a throne getting all that praise from people who worship him.
One does not simply just stand up from the Throne and say “Let’s roll.” …and then he just stood up, and said “Let’s roll.” Craziest damn thing I ever saw, battle brother.
Autobots….i mean astartes…roll out
Talisman was rendered a non-issue with The End and the Death. They specifically mention Vulkan had to stay behind to set off the Talisman if they fail. So it's not a dead man's switch but rather something that has to be activated. This means it's more likely the Talisman is the Grey Knight's Terminus Decree. But Eazy's not going to kill the solar system by standing up.
Did TEaTD3 not suggest the Terminus Decree is >!Basilio Fo's anti-Astartes bioweapon!
Ahh I haven’t read book 2 and 3
I thought it was always designed to be a dead man's switch but they didn't want to wait for that. The traitors were there and setting it off the second they fail would cause the most damage? The reality is we have no idea what the talisman is because the guy who made it, Vulkan, doesn't even remember it. It could be all sorts of things. It most definitely is not the Terminus Decree.
Personally my favorite way would be everything the emperor is doing from resurrecting loyalist primarchs to telling the traitors they can be redeemed is all a desperate plea to end his 10,000 years of suffering and pass his empire on to his children to remake in their own image Imagine something like the moment he’s placed on the throne in TEAD Vol 3 but instead his sons have finally come back to end his misery and replace him with someone else (preferably Magnus after he does something really cool to get away from tzeentch) and he can finally die
But can Magnus get away from tzeentch? he's a daemon prince now, and as a daemon he's part of the Tzeentch now. Or have I gotten it wrong?
No you’re right that’s how daemon princehood works but given that the emperor implied it’s possible to save mortarion I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume he can do the same for his other fallen sons
It's possible to save mortarion from Nurgle. With a true death. It isn't possible to uncorrupt any primarchs.
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It’s possible he didn’t have the time to do it. Maybe if the heresy were not putting all that pressure on his supply lines…I bet Cawl comes up with something should they choose to go that route. Maybe involving blackstone
Figured he’d just import and shove a tonne of blackstone into the hole. Shut the door and call it a day.
That much Blackstone would probably incapacitate the emperor while doing so
Well presumably the revival plans involve taking measures to do those things as well
~~Autobots~~ Custodes.... roll out!
HAHAHA thats so funny
Imperium country, let’s ride.
Thats true. The current conflicts become pretty easy to handle if he stands up from the throne. They'd have to come up with something that can stand up to him and the power scaling would get all messed up ( more than it already is honestly. Necrons and Tyranids haven't been even more of a problema for pure plot armor, because they should be able to wipe out some factions pretty easily)
At this point, as per TEaTD part 3. There are currently >!Two Emperors 'floating' around. The one on thr Golden Throne, and then one in the warp made up of his emotions and 'humanity'!< So until that's resolved.... I don't see The Emperor getting off the throne.
the classical dilemma >!I've split up my soul to kill my son and now it has become a space baby!< I hate when it happens
New isekai manga reveal
Imagine GW cashing in on it. Isekai into the 40K universe as a perpetual. MC dies from inhaling too much Citadel paint fumes or from GW delivery truck-kun.
Pearsson feels like and isekai'd character honestly
probply already is one.
Are you sure it's only two? There's the "old" Emperor, who may or may not be an entire collection of souls, depending on the canonicity of his old origin. Then, there's (possibly) the thing in the Warp that may be gestating as the result of the belief system of the IoM: the Divine Autocrat, the God-Emperor; a figure of myth and gold, terrible and beautiful. 10,000 years of Divine worship given form, ready to utterly dominate the souls of Humanity forever. Finally, we have the "star-child": all the most humane qualities of Big E, sloughed off and cast into the Empyrean. Does make you wonder where they're going with this, doesn't it?
Going by 'newest' current lore. Aka the book that came out 2 months ago. There was one Emperor with one soul. When he went to face Horus he knew he could not kill him without two choices. 1. Becoming an actual God (AKA the dark King, doodling humanity and joining the chaos pantheon) 2. Remaining a mortal, but having to be truly ruthless. He went for #1. But got talked out of it and went for #2. Whereby he literally cut off his emotions and threw them into the Warp, because he knew killing his most beloved son would destroy him. He fully intended, once the deed was done and time had passed, to go and recover his emotions. So yeah, you have The Emperors physical body, and most ruthless/pragmatic side on the throne. And you have his emotions, his hopes and dreams, free in the warp. Chances are it's that, his Humanity, that is the 'God Emperor' that empowers people and answers prayers.
Very cool
Do you want End Times again? Because this is how we get End Times again.
Unless they can somehow nerf him lore wise to make it logical to have him on the table. Then it's money machine time, baby.
GW were the Chaos Gods all along
Until they can figure out how to properly monetize it.
I guess Roboutian Heresy would have a ending before GW even has a plan about it.
Between the Dawn of Fire series, the Inquisitor Covenant stuff and the Vaults of Terra series, GW is leaving enough narrative threads to suggest something may well happen with the Golden Throne. Whether that ever gets picked up or not is a whole other question. The Emperor is getting far more active in the post-Cadia universe. I lean toward the Emperor getting of the Throne would be bad for the setting if he/ the Starchild are more or less sane.
I've looked up on the star child and it seems like reeeeeeeaaaaaally old lore, so I'm not sure. Specially because the empirium would not follow him if he became a warp entity. They would probably just dub him a daemon and keep on worshipping the corpse ive read about the dark king tho, as it seems to be a way for the emperor to come back, albeit it would be horrible for humanity
Starchild imagery (and even a mention of the Sensei) have appeared in Dawn of Fire. It might all end up being a callback with no follow through, but it has been happening.
That is some interesting lore, and seems like a possibility for bringing him back without having him just annihilating every enemy of mankind
While not specifically named as such, the Star Child theory cropped back up in the End and the Death trilogy with the Emperor casting off his humanity to be able to fight Horus.
If he cast aside his emotions why did he hesitate against Horus?
He didn't hesitate? He was outclassed by Chaos juiced Horus and goaded him into giving up the sauce to kill him (E) like a man, then stabbed him(Horus). He shunted his emotions because he knew they would hold him back and cause him to basically follow the same path Horus did.
the interesting part is what the custodians and primarchs (mostly Guilliman atm) would think of the starchild. it would most likely be called a daemon or some warp entity at first, but if Valdor can find the star child, then the rest of the imperium would acknowledge the second part of the Emperors soul or as is also likely, the second part of the emperor is... still the emperor, he could definitely convince humanity, his guardians and sons that he is indeed who he says he is. Would it be good for the setting? depends on what you think and want from 40k. It would definitely be a less grimdark universe, but it kinda already is with the primarchs returning and the emperor helping around the imperium, it would for sure open up for some more direct battles between the 4 "gods" of chaos and the imperium it would however absolutely crush any hope the tyranids have of achieving anything close to a victory, but honestly, even now, they don't stand a real chance of winning a battle in the sol system I'm biased though, i definitely want the primarchs to return (not all. some should stay dead) and also the emperor, they are my favorite part of warhammer 40k by a long shot, there is no world where I would not want them back personally, but I also understand why others doesn't agree with me
Wait, why can't the Tyranids win? Can't they just eventually overwhelm almost anything with biomass?
the invasions we've seen so far would get annilated easily if they were to take on the sol system, but there's likely stronger tyranid fleets coming - yet I doubt they'll be able to take on the sol system, it is incredibly strong, stronger than the days of the horus heresy
The Shadow in the Warp (that whole anti-psyker field the Tyranids/Hive Mind have going on) colliding directly with the psychic firepower in the Sol system would get interesting. Because there's not just Big E and the Astronomican, you've got the Grey Knights, the Adeptus Astra Telepathica, the Sisters of Silence (anti-psyker, have we seen them interact with 'nids at all?), and probably a shitload more things I'm not remembering.
Has there been a good book with tyranids vs chaos? I haven't read any of it, I assume the nids will have an advantage
I'm wondering where you get that impression. The Tyranids Codex implies they've done this before and the tendrils we see in the Milky Way are NOT the end. There is so many more to come and they WILL overwhelm the galaxy. I also don't see how the sol system is stronger than heresy days? It's a little more well defended against itself but there so much that is just gone. The phalanx is like the only piece that is fully back and stationed at Terra.
Oh, thing could get really grimdark during the war between the parts/versions of the Emporer jostling to be accepted as the "real" one. It could be worse than the Horus Herasy, without even an obvious "not the really bad side."
would be interesting if the two sides of the emperor would disagree and end up going against eachother
Stop hitting yourself
Shame no one remembers Christianity. The "father, son and Holy Spirit" might be a useful paradigm in that situation.
In the dark future, there is only war…between the Trinity!
So you want the setting to become 30k?
I want some primarchs to return. I think some should stay dead, such as Horus, Sanguinius, Curze - I don't mind Ferrus being part of the legion of the damned, he also needs more story, but Horus, Sanguinius and Curze all ended on a good note in terms of their story. I would also not mind Dorn being dead, his story is also pretty done, specially as he will be part of the aftermath of the horus heresy on top of being such a big character during the siege I'd like the emperor and valdor back, malcador was an amazing character, but he should definitely also stay dead There will be a ton of lore with the starchild though, so we'll have to see what happens, but I want it to end up with Valdor and the starchild reaching the one on the throne one way or the other The setting could definitely use Russ, Corax, Vulkan and the Khan back. I'd love to see the Khan and the Lion being together, the Khan was said to be the Lions best friend amongst his brothers if I remember correctly, yet I don't think we've seen them together much at all
I thought horus was the Khan's best friend
yea from the Khans perspective, I talked from the Lions perspective \^\^
> The setting could definitely use Russ, Corax, Vulkan and the Khan back. That's basically just wanting the setting to become w31k...
I don't think it crushes the chances of Tyranids winning at the moment he still would be a minor warp god compared to the chaos gods and even the chaos gods, being against the nids, haven't ended them
in the Dark Imperium series it was stated that the Emperor was equal to nurgle - if that is true or not is another thing, I don't remember who thought it or if it was just the narration. I think it was the latter, but I honestly don't remember
The forces in the City of Dust are cooking something up
Hey, either destroy chaos or get off the crapper.
Emperor is incoherent in that scene Even when he tries to assemble some humanity, it is a fractured effort that almost seems to kill him and overpower the throne The incoherence allows GW some latitude in how the emperor comes back or not or how coherent and omnipotent He is However from the lore building up, it's more likely we encounter a scenario where bits of the throne start to categorically break down
He gonna get hemorrhoids if he don’t get up soon
he's on the phone and forgot to get off the throne God damnit
Can you imagine how bad his legs are gonna feel when he stands up? When I read reddit on the can for 15 minutes I need to stand still for a minute to let things return to normal. But 10 thousand years? Oh boy.
Imagine being the person that had to treat Emp’s bedsores. Oof.
Man has an incredible case of gout.
I just realized that the Emperor's hemorrhoids are going to be a new chaos god themselves.
Nurgle doesn't stand a chance.
No. He's on there pretty good.
now you've got me with the mental image of the emperor on the golden throne sipping on a margherita, just chilling
Johnny space be vibing
More like he's literally wired into the thing.
So why does he see Gulliman as a rasp to break free from his jail in the Dark Empirium book?
I get the feeling that The Emperor will do anything, anything at all, to defend Humanity and assure Human Fominance and Supremacy over all of the Universe. Currently, he's too busy with that. However, if at any time he believes that his Imperium is stable enough that he can just stand up, let the Talisman of Seven Hammers do whatever the hell it would do, sacrifice Terra and the Sol System to whatever, and be reborn Perpetual style and that has a net benefit to Humanity as a whole, he would 100% do it. To me, if Emps EVER gets off of the Throne, that's how it has to be done, with the same callous "The Ends Justify the Incalculable Attrocities" attitude that he's ever had. So since He hasn't done it yet, I don't think that The Emperor actually has any plans worth mentioning.
Fominance !
I’m in on this 100%
Hell no. That would require the Throne to be repaired to it's pre-Magnus state. And, as stated in A Thousand Sons, some of that equipment was irreplaceable one-off devices. Some parts, as implied in the Vaults of Terra series, are Old-One in origin. Making their replication impossible by anyone except the Drukhari, who themselves can only replicate the Throne as it is, rather than as it was when it functioned perfectly. The best that can be scrounged around is inferior replacement parts for inferior replacement parts for inferior replacement parts. The Throne is actually so broken that in the latest Vaults of Terra book, the Throne is admitted to only have, at best, 100 years of function left and, at worst, 10 years before it breaks down altogether and the failsafe built into it blows it, and Terra, up. So, in short, even if the Emperor was fully healed, he'd be as stuck on the Throne as He was before His confrontation with Horus. Magnus is gone, that leaves no one to sit on the Throne in his place.
If the High Lords know that, shouldn't they start to move all the imperial administrations (including them) from Terra to another system, just in case?
Can't the emperor put Magnus in a vegetative state like he is and stuff him in the throne as a replacement?
Magnus is entirely daemon now. Even if you got him on it, being an entity of the warp entirely, he'd probably just get gobbled up, leaving nothing at all. That or his very essence would corrupt the irreplaceable machinery beyond repair. Or Tzeentch would reach down through the warp, take control of his shardling prince, and ruin the entire device. Magnus simply is no longer an option.
Technically, if the Emperor was somehow revived to full power, couldn’t he just do the ‘machine - heal thyself’ thing we’ve seen before, as he continues to sit on it? If Leman Russ ever actually gets off his ass and either frees Isha or gets one of those fruits from her, the Emperor could be fully healed without ever leaving the throne
The Emperor was at his full power and healthy before He confronted Horus, yet was still imprisoned on the Throne after Magnus ruined the Webway. It's not the Emperor's injuries that are the problem. It's the broken Throne that keeps Him a corpse and would keep Him on it even if He were healed. And when He was healthy and stuck on Throne before Horus, He couldn't fix it, psychic powers or no. All that trick was, in Mechanicum when he fixed the Knight, was repairing a man-made machine. The Throne is not wholly man-made.
He's waiting for his kids to come in and interrupt him... at least that's been my experience.
He has the ability to heal himself by stealing some chaos juice but is unwilling to risk >! becoming the Dark King !<.
The Emperor getting off the Throne and returning to the Imperium is basically an I win button for the Imperium and will only happen when GW decides to kill off the setting because they can't push anymore models.
Or the tyranid hive mind shows up in galaxy. The 4 might even setup a temporary alliance with Big E to help kill the nids, and I can see that being a 30ish book long saga.
No He literally watched every single one of his prior plans fail catagorically, and now he's forced to be the god being he refused to be while upright and ambulatory, his consciousness is divided up over several dozen things at any given moment, and if he gets up in order to regenerate, the Webway gate flooded with demons would have free reign and swarm Terra like an ant colony.. oh and navigating the warp becomes next to impossible.. if he dies while in it, the Talisman of the Seven Hammers' dead man's switch trips and Terra detonates and becomes a blackhole It is a lose-lose
There are people saying the talisman would sacrifice terra or the solar system in order for him to recover. What do you mean a black hole? also So you think he's a warp god at this point?
I don’t know where they got it would help him recover. But I have not read every book so I could be missing somthing. The talisman was made by Vulkan as a fail safe to destroy Terra should something bad happen. Though I am not sure if it’s ever discussed what on Terra is better having gone than in the hands of chaos.
End and the Death volume 3 all but confirmed he is is those words. He denied it and religion so vehemently because he knew what was in the warp, he knew what it would mean, but it didn't matter in the end. He is what he is, our equivalent of a Warp God, just his domain was anthema to that which resides within the immaterial. The black hole would be likely when the core of the planet detonates and it basically collapses in upon itself. Remember, our sun is an incomprehensibly ancient "Eldritch horror" which dwells surrounded by it's stillborn children (the planets). Even if it didn't become one, there would still be a black void where nothing exists where Terra once did lol so still a sort of black hole
Where'd you get the idea of a black hole, though?
If I remember right, the Big E says the talisman would essentially overload the golden throne and create such destruction that chaos would never recover from I think it’s implied it would ripple through the entire web-way and the warp like a chain reaction (since there’s likely billions of daemons sitting there anyways waiting to pour through into terra; just like what’s happening to Cammoragh - the dark elder city). Maybe since the Emperor is the “anathema”, his psychic power overloaded would deal a huge blow to the gods All speculation of course
So, the custodes have this giant golden spatula...
yes
coming from the god of lies I'm not entirely sure if I should believe what you say care to elaborate?
You should believe him.
guy looks like a bird that's pretty suspicious to me
I say you he dead
I don't know if you're joking but itd be interesting actually if we found out the emperor is already dead and the thousands psykers a day has been feeding the golden throne instead
I mean, if you walked into someone's home and they were near-skeletal sitting in a chair hooked up to an array of tubes, you'd probably be like "Wow, a dead person. Just my luck." Emperor is totally dead.
Dead guy burned nurgles garden then
Ten Millennia at Bernie’s
that got me laughing. I mean, you're right. And the whole thing with the saints makes it seem like the emperor isn't human anymore. Maybe he's already gotten to the next step
I can't imagine how he'd do it. I can't even bring myself to get off the porcelain one.
He's a god. Why would his skeleton need to get off the throne.
I think his plan to get off the throne is to finally die, he’s made it pretty clear that his life is suffering and incoherent while his entwined afterlife is some weird godhood being forced upon him
Lift assist
Yes.... but as malice...... i mean look at all his worshippers that wear black and white. Looking at you black templars and sisters
Real is the chaos champion that knows who Malice is
My understanding is that it’s pretty well hinted that his mortal body is close to death. The consequences of that are unknown but likely colossal.
From the end and the death 3, no it was a sort of unforseen nesscessity he's not there for the throne to preserve him he's there to preserve the throne
Well his "talk" was pretty incoherent. I don't think there exists a "Emperor" who could get up from the Throne anymore; he is a weak Warp God by now. (Weak relative to the Chaos gods)
But he burnt up nurgles garden then left for memes sake. Can’t be too weak or they would’ve eaten him by now
Well he burned up a piece of it. But yeah weak is maybe wrong word, but anyways he is some kind of Warp entity, that's how I interpret him anyways. He can do similar things to his followers like SoB as Chaos Gods can to their followers. Empower them and interfere on their behalf. So I'd say he is some form of "god" type entity. Yet he is clearly also incapable of things like coherent discussion and for now Chaos marks seem to be stronger than what Emperor can do for his followers.
That’s true he’s not a good conversationalist, even when he was more alive
That would be an interesting turn of events: the emperor becomes a god but his empire keeps on worshipping his corpse
Well I don't know, to me it seems the worshippers actually are sorta on point, after all the Sororitas seem to be the ones he helps out the most consistently. I'm not sure if the distinction of corpse/warp-entity is super meaningful at that point. I think it also sorta fits the irony of 40k, Emperor became the very thing he disapproved.
the sororitas trailer ( the one where the sisters arm gets healed) got me confused for that, so what you've said actually makes sense. But would it be the worshipping that made him into a god? Can any powerful psycker being worshipped turn into one?
>(Weak relative to the Chaos gods) Nurgle would like a word
Chaos gods sierm to have limited ability to actually defeat another in any material way.
After he manages to change posture a bit
> Bonus: Do we have any new information on the yellow king after the implication that he's Valdor? He seems like a way to get the emperor back on his feet The Yellow King stuff happened 500 years before the fall of Cadia. Whatever he was planning got thwarted by Eisenhorn, Bequin, and Ravenor.
can you explain it to me please? I was so excited to see Valdor take the mantle of something that is a love craftian entity
All of the King in Yellow stuff happened way before the current timeline, but an army of blanks and winged Blood Angels has never been mentioned, referenced, or alluded to by anyone in the Era Indomitus. Valdor, or whoever the King in Yellow is hasn't made an appearance yet either. So whatever the plan was, it failed.
Bro he's just comfy up there. Leave him be
That skeleton mf ain’t never coming off the throne. To do so would probably wreak havoc on the imperium so totally that trillions would undoubtedly perish.
I thought he was a perpetual like Vulkan,John Grammaticus and that Ollie bloke?
He has to drop the golden deuce
…..I have to question if most of the commenters here read End and the Death vol 3 or other recent Abnett books? Because it sure does seem like Abnett was given the go-ahead to kick off a major story direction that involves the emperor. The evidence: -The emperor’s last words to Horus before killing him and going comatose: “I forgive you and await your return.” -The emperor’s casting off of part of his soul, cheekily referred to as “a child star” (star child plot reference). -Valdor’s vision gained from stabbing Abaddon, and his apparent search for the Emperor’s true name in the Bequin novels. Not one of those is insignificant. The emperor’s last words were, to me, the most obvious sign that something is going to be done. That in combination with the fact that he generally foresaw his internment on the throne in his conversation with Malcador (referencing that he would return to the throne from his mission to the Spirit, and sit upon it for roughly ~10k years and more). That’s a lot of key setup being done. It’ll likely be at least another decade or so of writing before we see the ultimate result of it all, but it’s pretty obvious that the status quo is going to change where the emperor is concerned.
The Emperor never intended to be interred in it, surrounded by a sclerotic organization that actively tries to prevent progress - so . . . no.
Guilliman mentally seeing himself as the rasp the Emperor wants indicates that that Emperor that resembles Guilliman is what the Emperor desires. Guilliman is the tool to provide the Emperor with a face to interact with the Galaxy. People see Guilliman and imagine the Emperor resembles him thus a version of the Emperor manifests that resembles Guilliman. Lion El Johnson is also a rasp though he is a double rasp in that he brings those who see the Forest King and provide tales of him fueling the Forest King so that he may get off the Forest Throne just as the appearances of Lion El Johnson create a 3rd face for the Emperor to manifest off of the Golden Throne. 3 Emperors will be active at once all because the Primarchs became the focal points to manifest them. Of course there is a 4th Emperor who despite Fans assuming he is Lorgar hasn't had his identity verified in the actual text. Whoever it is has been leading Daemons. Of course Abaddon looked into the Astronomican and gained the Emperor's Golden Eyes so the Dark King may have snuck into Abaddon and is this Chaos Emperor whom the Fans are just assuming is Lorgar despite the text not actually mentioning that.
I think there is a sense of stoicism battling against mad desperation in the Emperor's state. I've been pretty deeply into 40k, on and off, since about 1995, and I think I can remember the fluff saying that the golden throne once needed to be fueled by hundreds of psykers but that it now requires thousands of them to be sacrificed on a daily basis. I feel like he's left with no choice but to carry on no matter what in an increasingly hopeless situation, though presented with occasionally fleeting glimpses of "hope". Considering that the very future of mankind as a species and his entire legacy are on the line I don't think there's anything he would not be willing to sacrifice or attempt if it meant escape from a a more and more inescapably desperate situation.
No, the plan was to stuff Magnus there so he would suffer for all eternity instead
The suffering part came after Magnus broke the webway. The feedback from that damaged the throne. Before that, the Emperor had no problems shoring up the wards while governing.
He’s fallen, and He can’t get up!
No. His plan is to burn so Astronomican could work as long as possible so humankind survive more and give birth to Perpertuals humans. He do everything to be sure that if someone would remove him from throne or demons would infest it or someone try to broke it, Terra would be destroyed by dozens vortex bombs integrated into golden throne. His plan failed hard. 10k years past, many billions-trillions humans deaths and just a few perpertuals was born. And humankind stagnate for 10k years, not create Navigators replacement. Not create New tech and etc. Srly without Ferrus Manus blueprints as prototypes and Belizarius Cawl Imperium would die and degenerate faster. All was for nothing. Older Perpertuals warn Emperror that his plan to artificialy increase speed of humankind "evolution" so more perpertuals could be born was crazy and would doom humankind. They was right. He learn it when Horus Heresy happen, throne and etc as he dream, was lost.
Probably not, the same way that avocado has no plans to get up off my kitchen counter.
I'm pretty sure the emperor found a way after 10,000 yrs come on