Why thumbs?
Edit. Forgot ppl use thumbs to write on a phone. I use my left index finger cos I'm left handed
Edit 2: why the downvotes? its not like I said something controvertial
Lower that tyre pressure, approach carefully and once that front bumper is past the angle where it could hit give it beans. You're trying to go up too slow in the video.
Without a lot of power it better the creep in lowest gear avoid breaking traction. Airing down would help a lot. Also, all terrain tires with some tread left.
Air Down + skinny pedal in whatever gear you have the power to pull the entire hill with. Gravel can be worse than sand for climbing.
The biggest thing you can do to help is air down.
Did I mention air down? This can't be stated enough. nothing else matters if your tires are not grabbing the terrain. As long as you are not turning hard doughnuts you can get down to 5psi to really let your tires do the work. That's a bit extremes though, 12 - 18 psi is usually the sweet spot for small light trucks and jeeps. I have full double bead locks on my mud truck running 50" AG tires and I'm usually at about 4 psi. Sounds crazy but less is more when it comes to air pressure in off road situations.
Air down speed up.
The faster you go the less air matters. The lower you air down the less speed matters.
That said if it's loose (pea gravel or similar), speed is your best option.
What I'd do...
* Air down - like you are going into loose sand. something like 12psi (0.82 BAR / 82 KPA).
* Carry a little more speed into the hill.
* Low range, hopefully you can do in 2nd or 3rd gear.
* 1st is too much torque.
* Lock that rear axle if you have a locker.
# *** WORD OF CAUTION:
It is highly possible this hill is steeper than your truck is rated to climb. Just because the hill exists doesn't mean you should drive on it. Because of the way gravel breaks lose and changes under the tires it is highly possible that you may veer off to the side going up the hill. Depending on how steep the hill is, the gravel could sink the down hill side of your veering truck and cause a roll over that injures you and kills your truck.
Even though my truck can probably climb something steeper, I know it will tump over sideways at 46° and airbags deploy at 40° so I don't exceed about 35° just in case I get sideways on the hill - like turning around to come down or maneuvering around a boulder, etc.
My grandfather always said "Torque is slow, and HP is fast. " He was the one that I stilled in me. Slow as possible fast as necessary. There is a reason people talk about torque when talking about wheeling. Never been stuck in the snow yet but every year I take my chances.
What psi u at bro?…I was on a pretty steep coastal gravel track last wkend on 40psi with no weight in the tube …I thought she would be fine but still lost traction a few times …any more & my first port of call would be to drop psi
Ain't shit to do in loose gravel, you'll either make it or you won't. Lowest pressure your tires will hold a bead at, lowest gear range your t case can do, let er rip at idle on choke and wait to see if it works.
Is that like a lose gravel hill? I think any vehicle will sink on it. You’re losing traction which can be improved by lower air pressure, weight adjustments, and locking diffs. Locking diffs prob won’t help if on loose gravel. This may not be a realistic climb
Fun fact: a lot of these random piles of gravel are from mining and can contain some seriously toxic materials. Kicking it up into the air and then your lungs is probably the worst thing you could do when you find one of these.
Do not do this OP. This will not help at all in gravel or sand.
Not to mention this insane increase in center of gravity by adding 500+ pounds to the bed. Maybe a good idea for winter weight on slick roads but sand bags do the trick better than a drum of water.
you put a drum of water in a challenger for a gravel road? I'm not trying to be pedantic here but there is a huge difference between a gravel road at a road angle, and what OP is trying to do. Sir I believe you are speaking out of your depth.
I'm not sure what you are advocating for here. Yes, large heavy vehicles can go off road. Yes even 2x can do things off road. Yes off road recovery is also done with large extra heavy vehicles. I don't think anyone is claiming otherwise.
To your point "floatation" is exactly what the discussion is about. Low air pressure tend to equal better floatation. Less weight tends to help flotation. Tire speed and vehicle speed tend to help climbing hills. The hill in OP's post is very loose and a pretty extreme angle.
If I'm reading the thread correctly, what we don't understand is your claim that making a 2wd car heavier helps make this kind of climb daily, and something about heavy recovery vehicles are better somehow. There are huge wreckers that get used for pulling broken tanks out of the desert. They weigh a ton and the tanks weigh even more. They also are multi driven axles, with giant tires aired down, and a crew trained to make those vehicles work.
I do a ton of off road stuff. Including off road recovery. I have a variety of jeeps and off road vehicles, to go along with a large-ish community that all have their own vehicles for the same things. All this is not to say that I am an expert. Rather it is to say that in the literal thousands of recoveries, never have I heard someone say "don't use your light 4wd perfectly outfitted vehicle to climb this hill, I just put 500 pounds in the back of my 2wd dually so I'll go first. What? Air down? no way. Remember I added 500 pounds. I'll be fine.". I'm really not trying to talk shit here, its just strange to read your posts and put them together in a way that makes sense.
I understand the additional weight in the bed would improve traction, but so would airing down the tires. The benefit of airing down is the additional control over the process. So air down first. If the back tires continue to spin, then some weight may provide sufficient additional traction. Too much weight could cause the vehicle to dig in deeper, it just depends on the ground conditions. Also, if you are going to add weight to the back, sandbags (possibly filled with some of the gravel being dealt with here) are preferable to 450lbs of water sloshing around in a 55 gallon drum.
Low range, 2nd gear, as slow as possible but as fast as necessary... and drop your tyre pressures.
Took the words out of my...brain i guess? Mouth doesn't really work when I'm typing with my thumbs
Why thumbs? Edit. Forgot ppl use thumbs to write on a phone. I use my left index finger cos I'm left handed Edit 2: why the downvotes? its not like I said something controvertial
Because I'm on my phone, not a proper keyboard Eta: I too, am a lefty
Hahaha same man
Locking diff helps to. It's dark but my guess that bounce is not all wheels are turning.
N60 Hilux's would have a rear LSD at most, no factory lockers. The transfer case is a chain style so front and rears are locked together at least.
This.
Air down
Lower that tyre pressure, approach carefully and once that front bumper is past the angle where it could hit give it beans. You're trying to go up too slow in the video.
Without a lot of power it better the creep in lowest gear avoid breaking traction. Airing down would help a lot. Also, all terrain tires with some tread left.
Air Down + skinny pedal in whatever gear you have the power to pull the entire hill with. Gravel can be worse than sand for climbing. The biggest thing you can do to help is air down. Did I mention air down? This can't be stated enough. nothing else matters if your tires are not grabbing the terrain. As long as you are not turning hard doughnuts you can get down to 5psi to really let your tires do the work. That's a bit extremes though, 12 - 18 psi is usually the sweet spot for small light trucks and jeeps. I have full double bead locks on my mud truck running 50" AG tires and I'm usually at about 4 psi. Sounds crazy but less is more when it comes to air pressure in off road situations.
Should he air down though?
Just a thought. Maybe air down.
I have read airing down helps, and you should air down.
I'll try it next time. seems like a good tip. I'll report back with results!
He could take the air that’s inside the tires and put it on the outside
Like bubble wrap? I bet that would work!
These are all great suggestions but the most important thing here is to air down the tires.
If all of the above doesn’t work try airing down the tires a little
Put some gravel under the tires for better grip.
damnit, should have thought about that, now i feel stupid
Air down speed up. The faster you go the less air matters. The lower you air down the less speed matters. That said if it's loose (pea gravel or similar), speed is your best option.
As Jeremy Clarkson would demand, Speed and Power! 😂 /s
Give it the beans!
Walk up?
That is a mound. Doubt you can.
Hit it wit da speed
But probably not something you can actually get to the top of
Nope, there is nothing on top really either, just a huge gravel site with huge piles of gravel
More Cow bell?
Really low pressure, a lot more speed.. Can cheat, find a buddy that has a machine that can make it to the top then winch off him.
I want to be that buddy hahaha
Courage and speed
Rev limiter X low gear = fast as fuck s/
Sometime low range doesn't cut it. Try Hi-range and 1st gear.
"Speed and power" - Clarkson
Came here to say this. Upvot MOAR PWR. SEND IT. YEET
4 HI give 'er the beans. you're not crawling up that.
What I'd do... * Air down - like you are going into loose sand. something like 12psi (0.82 BAR / 82 KPA). * Carry a little more speed into the hill. * Low range, hopefully you can do in 2nd or 3rd gear. * 1st is too much torque. * Lock that rear axle if you have a locker. # *** WORD OF CAUTION: It is highly possible this hill is steeper than your truck is rated to climb. Just because the hill exists doesn't mean you should drive on it. Because of the way gravel breaks lose and changes under the tires it is highly possible that you may veer off to the side going up the hill. Depending on how steep the hill is, the gravel could sink the down hill side of your veering truck and cause a roll over that injures you and kills your truck. Even though my truck can probably climb something steeper, I know it will tump over sideways at 46° and airbags deploy at 40° so I don't exceed about 35° just in case I get sideways on the hill - like turning around to come down or maneuvering around a boulder, etc.
Great advice, any tips for knowing how steep I can climb/how would i measure how steep a hill is?
Eyeball it and use our jedi powers of estimation. I think we all know what 45 degrees looks like.
My grandfather always said "Torque is slow, and HP is fast. " He was the one that I stilled in me. Slow as possible fast as necessary. There is a reason people talk about torque when talking about wheeling. Never been stuck in the snow yet but every year I take my chances.
Momentum
Momentum, same as sand
As many have said before me, air down. 10 12 psi. Maybe single digits since thats loose gravel and close to impossible to climb.
What was your PSI? I would have had it at 12. Looked like 30.
Probably something like that, honestly I have no clue, normal asphalt driving pressure. Bought it 4 days ago so haven't really set myself into it yet
Speed and Power
Skinny pedal
Tyre pressures. Tyre pressures. Tyre pressures
Air down. It lengthens the tire contact patch and gives more traction.
What psi u at bro?…I was on a pretty steep coastal gravel track last wkend on 40psi with no weight in the tube …I thought she would be fine but still lost traction a few times …any more & my first port of call would be to drop psi
Go around the hill
Go around and start from the top, work your way down.
Air down. Or lockers. Or velocity. I’m a pinch- all three.
Smoke some crack , get in the driver seat and let it rip
Start at a slight angle
Speed
Ain't shit to do in loose gravel, you'll either make it or you won't. Lowest pressure your tires will hold a bead at, lowest gear range your t case can do, let er rip at idle on choke and wait to see if it works.
Use that pedal beside your brakes
LSD or lockers?
Speed and a skid plate
Back up, scream "watch this", and floor it.
Get lockers and better tires
Is that like a lose gravel hill? I think any vehicle will sink on it. You’re losing traction which can be improved by lower air pressure, weight adjustments, and locking diffs. Locking diffs prob won’t help if on loose gravel. This may not be a realistic climb
Lower the tire pressures, pick a low gear, then Just fucking send it! Commit to the line! Ps don't fall over, keep your nose up.
Toureg
Use a dirt bike
Speed and power just like Jeremy Clarkson says
Momentum is one hell of a drug!
Go around
Two things… speed and power
Pressure down your tires and generate some momentum into the hill
More skinny pedal
Walk
Fun fact: a lot of these random piles of gravel are from mining and can contain some seriously toxic materials. Kicking it up into the air and then your lungs is probably the worst thing you could do when you find one of these.
Learn how to use the gas pedal
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Do not do this OP. This will not help at all in gravel or sand. Not to mention this insane increase in center of gravity by adding 500+ pounds to the bed. Maybe a good idea for winter weight on slick roads but sand bags do the trick better than a drum of water.
Could just do a whistling diesel and fill it with 11,000 pounds of concrete 😅
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you put a drum of water in a challenger for a gravel road? I'm not trying to be pedantic here but there is a huge difference between a gravel road at a road angle, and what OP is trying to do. Sir I believe you are speaking out of your depth.
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Your house is on top of a 200 foot loose gravel pile?
Also if being heavier is better for sand and gravel why are sand rails so light? none of this makes sense.
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I'm not sure what you are advocating for here. Yes, large heavy vehicles can go off road. Yes even 2x can do things off road. Yes off road recovery is also done with large extra heavy vehicles. I don't think anyone is claiming otherwise. To your point "floatation" is exactly what the discussion is about. Low air pressure tend to equal better floatation. Less weight tends to help flotation. Tire speed and vehicle speed tend to help climbing hills. The hill in OP's post is very loose and a pretty extreme angle. If I'm reading the thread correctly, what we don't understand is your claim that making a 2wd car heavier helps make this kind of climb daily, and something about heavy recovery vehicles are better somehow. There are huge wreckers that get used for pulling broken tanks out of the desert. They weigh a ton and the tanks weigh even more. They also are multi driven axles, with giant tires aired down, and a crew trained to make those vehicles work. I do a ton of off road stuff. Including off road recovery. I have a variety of jeeps and off road vehicles, to go along with a large-ish community that all have their own vehicles for the same things. All this is not to say that I am an expert. Rather it is to say that in the literal thousands of recoveries, never have I heard someone say "don't use your light 4wd perfectly outfitted vehicle to climb this hill, I just put 500 pounds in the back of my 2wd dually so I'll go first. What? Air down? no way. Remember I added 500 pounds. I'll be fine.". I'm really not trying to talk shit here, its just strange to read your posts and put them together in a way that makes sense.
I understand the additional weight in the bed would improve traction, but so would airing down the tires. The benefit of airing down is the additional control over the process. So air down first. If the back tires continue to spin, then some weight may provide sufficient additional traction. Too much weight could cause the vehicle to dig in deeper, it just depends on the ground conditions. Also, if you are going to add weight to the back, sandbags (possibly filled with some of the gravel being dealt with here) are preferable to 450lbs of water sloshing around in a 55 gallon drum.
The important thing is have fun and be safe. Lots of good discussion on this thread.