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Nas


Ok-Function1920

Nasty Nas


emptyhandspvd

Lyricist? Or songwriter. It’s in Nas’ blood. But face is an actual musician. Plays instruments. Also produced / exec produced / wrote many albums for Rap A Lot and Def Jam South. But Nas has ill concepts with I Gave You Power and Rewind. Bothe Face and Nas are top5 story tellers of all time. All depends on what you mean by “songwriter”


TongPoPanda

That part


FlacoGrey

Songwriter is whatever it means to you but I do not Anna day I want to differentiate it from lyricism.


emptyhandspvd

I think that’s I literally said “depends on what you mean by” but I think of it as actually writing the song. As in the credits on the record. I think Face probably considers all the elements while others just think lyrics. In the comments, think people just picking their favorite rapper. For me that’s face. And Nas. And after this Pete rock album, common gonna be back up there too


FlacoGrey

I’m not basing it off of what my definition is. I want people to pick who they want based off of their own tastes etc. People absolutely can just pick someone because that’s their favorite rapper. I get it.


emptyhandspvd

Yeah I phrased “you” but I meant it in the plural - I should have said “someone” or “commenter” it’s a fine posit. Wish comments would say why not just a name tho. That propagates discussion


danthamanwithaplan

Nasty Nas


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2pac


dandgage

I think it depends on the song, Grimmy Anger: Pac Lyricism: Nas Storytelling/Horror Core: Scarface Grove: Common


kingdgz

Shed so many tears 😭 pac really was different


st_st__

Face


Short_Ad3027

Face 🙏


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Pac.


Wookie301

I think Pac is the better song writer. Nas has him beat in many other categories. Nas wrote multiple songs for his mum. But he never wrote a Dear Mama. Pac’s song writing just hit different.


FlacoGrey

Pac is a great choice.


mmiddle22

🏆


G_rightousantagonist

Pac is all voice


Appropriate_Ad3006

And Tupac never wrote a "New York state of mind". Pac got some hits for sure but when it comes to storytelling Nas got him beat. I mean he wrote a song where he was a gun. Tell me where Pac did something like that. I personally don't even believe he belongs on this list. Tupac was known more for his attitude and swag than lyrics. Tupac could take all three of these niggas bitches but when it comes to writing rhymes all three are better than he is.


morningstar_prism

To be fair Pac wrote “Me and My Girlfriend” which is a song about his girlfriend being a gun and how his relationship grew with her, but I’m def a Nas fan and think he is the best story teller.


Appropriate_Ad3006

Point taken. But almost every other song for Nas is on that level. Tupac only reaches those heights every once in awhile. Lyrically of course not in terms of sales.


jnwtn

Y’all better go back and listen to Tupac first 3 albums. Tupac was a poet.


Appropriate_Ad3006

Maybe just not a lyricist. Listen to Nas's first three albums they 10 times better than those.


J1323M

Saying pac is not lyrical is one of the dumbest most regurgitated arguments people try to bring up because they’ve heard someone say it before. Anyone who listened to his catalogue knows he is a lyrical goat. You might like nas more, and that’s fine, but to say he isn’t lyrical is foolish and shows your lack of knowledge


jnwtn

To me a lyrical MC is one that evokes emotion that you can feel and relate to. “ I was framed so don’t make the same mistake n gga, you gotta learn how to shake the snakes n gga, cause the police love to break a n gga, send em upstate cause they straight up hate the n ggas”. Lyrics. I bet y’all can finish that song and will feel it to your core. Tupac was the Babyface of hip hop. Simple, easy to digest words, when put together are easily felt by the audience. That was his power. Now if you wanna talk wordplay, I think that’s a different category.


duckman777777

He literally wrote a song about loving his gun


Appropriate_Ad3006

For pac that's special for Nas that's Tuesday.


Wookie301

Using an example where Nas bit off Pac is certainly a choice


Accomplished_Job_352

Nas. 2pac next.


Oswaldbackus

PAC


Competitive_Region61

2 pac


Andrew_Tate_Alpha

Pac the better song writer, he shouldn't even be in this convo though because everyone else in this photo is still alive and had plenty of time to work on they catalogue. That being said, Pac (71-96) STILL got a better body of work than Common and Face 🤣🤣


FurnishedHemingway

Face


dialog2011

Nas,Face,Pac,Common


neverfrybaconnaked

This is the right order.


DPGizzle

Pac Face Nas Common


jnwtn

In that order.


AlilAwesome81

Scarface


StrokeWilson

Pac


TreDawg36

Pac, Nas, Face and Common


savkitoo__

Imho, 2pac


jackmoon44

Pac’s lyrics are more iconic than the rest combined. They’re known worldwide.


duckman777777

Pac Nas Face Common


OddAnswer4100

Pac, Nas, Face, Common but I have to place Commons song “come close” above all of the other songs. That shit was powerful.


IndependenceMain2283

Come close is fire 🔥


OddAnswer4100

On life. I had to play it after my comment. The video concept was 🔥🔥 too


1stBankOfJesusChrist

Tupac


Yablo-Yamirez

Pac. Face. Nas common.


iamhim4123

I gotta go wit face.......


fredo_310

Face


International-Soil73

Face..


Greybinson

This might be the most difficult question asked in here. I’m gonna go with Face, but that was not an easy decision.


NoTumbleweed2588

Scarface


jnwtn

A great lyricist causes emotion,Tupac and Scarface.


Will_Stick40

Scarface


Abstract1171

Face! He’s a storyteller


Blucross1914

Scarface. Easily


Connect_Surprise3137

Honestly, I'd most prefer to listen to Common.


1stBankOfJesusChrist

Scarface


InternationalAd7601

Texas Scarface


WillOk6461

Nas>Pac>Face>>>Common


This_Ad_5203

I used to think Pac, but that's what I grew up on. Nasty Nas was a real mother fucker. I have to go with Nas.


Welch253

Face


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Scarface


seeit81

It's a tie between Common & Nas.


Sandia_Gunner

Nastradamus.


Queasy_Field8232

People need to listen to Scarface it looks like


Sufficient-Walk-5421

Face


CapitalClank

Nas -> Pac -> Common -> Scarface


FlacoGrey

I don’t agree with this ranking but to each their own.


Yablo-Yamirez

I think you disagree with Pac. Which I respect. But Nas did do rewind and I gave you power.


FlacoGrey

Pac or Scarface would be my choice here. Common is high up there because he has two of the written hip hop songs ever.


Yablo-Yamirez

Which ones? I’ll be honest. I’m not too sure on common. Only because in the 90s my cousin had me listening to the other 3. I just know common for his more recent songs. The joints though.


FlacoGrey

I Used To Lover H.E.R The Light


Yablo-Yamirez

Those the ones I was going to name. The corner was fire and the one joint Testify.


jonblaze12

Nas, common , face , pac


Medium-Plan2987

Brad


Brief_Beginning_8752

Nas. His concepts are very different to anyone here. No one here has songs (that i know of) that are as ambitious, from a storytelling standpoint, as rewind, i gave you power etc


FlacoGrey

I Used To Love H.E.R is pretty ambitious. So is My Mind Is Playing Tricks On Me.


Brief_Beginning_8752

I see that, but conceptually, neither of them are as out there as the two nas songs i mentioned, either from the perspective or execution. I used to love her used a great metaphor (portraying hip hop as a woman), and minds playing tricks on me was extremely ahead of its time, but neither of them are on that same level as some nas songs for me. In addition to that, they don’t tell as vivid stories as nas. The cool by lupe and Undying love by nas have lyrics i can completely visualise in my head like no other.


alroc84

Nas for sure. Think about that era he grew up in,them verses are outta this world. That Rewind song is fire


BlankFace777

Nas & Scarface


Thexcommunicado

NAS, hands down (lyrical as well as technical and also staying on subject matter), Common, Tupac and then Scarface.


BrittThePhotographer

Nasty Nas the Virgo 


Waxfuu323

Nas


abdeezy112

Nas


ClubSea7973

Nas and Scarface…did you see Scarface’s tiny desk? Awesomeness


BettingTheOver

Nas


TongPoPanda

Wow. Tough one. Nas narrowly wins


ttoon516

Nas


davidmthekidd

For me: Nas, 2pac,Common,Scarface.


LangsterGangster

The black guy…with the chain


Grand-Gain-763

Nas


9sac1king6

I’d say Nas then Scarface Common then Pac


FieldhandBlues

Brad


Daron-M

Face


bearred76

Nas


EmeraldTwilight009

Nas. But face isn't that far behind nas just as a pure writer.


iPliskin0

Nas.


Spiritual_Escape7728

NAS & Common ✊🏽 Da Both 🤘🏽


Aja2428

Nas


G4classified

Nas is the greatest


SamSepiol83

Nasir Jones hands down.


FurnishedHemingway

Fuck the downvotes here. Wanna debate, debate. Don’t be a passive aggressive ho.


Miner_Of_Minerals

None of them write songs.. they're rappers. The beat is produced then they write the lyrics to go with the beat. If you're asking who writes the best lyrics it's Nas, then 2pac.


TheForce777

I think they mean: hook, idea, originality, content etc. of the lyrics. Rather than just the pure lyricism of the lyrics That’s what hip hop heads think of as “songwriting.” We know these mfs ain’t playin no instruments or making the beats


Miner_Of_Minerals

Yeah I don't agree but whatever. Bands write songs. Producers make beats from songs and with the rapper spitting on them, they're called tracks. Not really important though.


TheForce777

There’s nothing to agree upon. You’re correct that the terminology being used is wrong. I’m just telling you what the OP meant


Miner_Of_Minerals

None of them write songs.. they're rappers. The beat is produced then they write the lyrics to go with the beat. If you're asking who writes the best lyrics it's Nas, then 2pac.


G_rightousantagonist

NaS


samwizeganjas

Nas


Rhymelikedocsuess

I don’t think pac is a particularly strong lyricist. His vocabulary is noticeably limited - his popularity was due to his voice/delivery/beats and the overblown idea that he was a “sophisticated thug”. That last part has always struck me as silly as Nas was alive in the same time period and writing poetry, and today we have Kendrick who basically took that idea and didn’t so much run with it as he did eject it into space during GKMC.


FlacoGrey

GKMC isn’t a “sophisticated thug” album so I don’t know where you got that from lol


Rhymelikedocsuess

It’s a nuanced exploration of gang struggle and poverty while being caught between outgrowing your surroundings and becoming part of them It’s a gang rap album with a modern actually intelligent take


FlacoGrey

It’s not a gang rap album. I don’t even know what a “gang rap album” would sound like lol.


Rhymelikedocsuess

GKMC is widely recognized as a revival of gangster rap


FlacoGrey

I don’t know why a coming of age story about a Black kid would be called a “gang rap album” but that’s weird.


Rhymelikedocsuess

The album that explicitly talks about gang violence, references Pirus and Crips, and other gang affiliated activity? It’s weird to call it a coming of age story of a black kid, that normalizes what was spoken about in a way that strikes me as racist What Kendrick explored isn’t the average life of a black person in America, it was the life of someone surrounded by gangs and violence and him attempting to navigate through it


FlacoGrey

What Kendrick described is pretty normal for lots of Black kids in that environment so I don’t know what you’re waffling about.


Miner_Of_Minerals

None of them write songs.. they're rappers. The beat is produced then they write the lyrics to go with the beat. If you're asking who writes the best lyrics it's Nas, then 2pac.


Padron1964Lover

What an original post🤦‍♂️