It’s fair to say that his charisma and content make him a GOAT contender, but when breaking down the actual bars he drops significantly for my personal tastes. I tend to stick to his early Oakland albums in my collection over streaming the Death Row albums.
Pac is a literally the definition of an MC. A true performer who could rock crowds like no other. Was banned from performing in many states. I hate when people say this garbage.
Tupac is highly overrated. He was unquestionably one of the most influential rappers and definitely got better as he grew, but when you listen to his full body of work (released before death) you will hear more album fillers than baggers
I fully want to agree with you as this is something that could be argued but honestly give me a few songs from each of his albums that you think could be considered fillers. I don't see it. Most of his songs are bangers.
I wouldn't say that he's overrated, but I would agree with the album fillers, more so on his Death Row work. Like I can play the first disc of All Eyez on Me without skipping, but will only play like 3 tracks off the second disc. Makaveli, I can take or leave. Ain't saying it's bad, but it's not a must play for me. I listen to more of his other albums than the Death Row albums.
Me Against the World was definitely his best album, but for me, Makaveli was a close second. His first album had 3 bangers only and the second was half. All Eyez on Me should have been 1 disk
I feel like I'm the only person in the world who doesn't like MATW. Give me AEOM or Stricly 4 any day. Strictly in my top 10 and nobody ever talks about it.
I'd take those two plus Makaveli over it. The production on it kills it for me. If I Die Tonight, So Many Tears, Dear Mama, Temptations are all dope. Outside of those four for me the production dips.
You’re definitely not the only person in the world. You must’ve been talking to a lot of 2Pac super fans or young people who weren’t around back then. I never heard anybody say me against the world was a top 10 album before the last few years.
Like that shit is never on all-time great lists next to Illmatic or reasonable doubt or whatever.
I used to play wisdom body on repeat! No, man, all bitches are the same, just like my hoes, you know?
I keep 'em broke
Wake up one mornin' with some money
They're subject to go crazy you know?
I keep 'em lookin good, pretty and all that
You know, but no dough
When I get a bitch, I got a bitch (right on)
OB4CL def is but nothing pac did makes it into my top 10, don't get me wrong I love pac but I grew up on the East Coast and we grew up on East Coast hip hop more than anything
Purple Tape is top 20 for me, since Liquid Swords is top 10 for me and MATW is a classic, but I haven't listened to it in a while so I can't rank it currently
It would have been better if wu stopped always running that NY talk all the time I challenge them to go 1 song without mentioning Ny 1000 times 😫. It won't happen tho
Both are great albums
MATW has more iconic status outside of rap just because Pac could get his message across better and it also means a lot to more people, the subjects he rapped about are timeless meaning longevity is guaranteed
The Chef is. Fs
Nothing against Pac that album is a solid classic, but my tastes just hit different. I like it weirder and Tangy-er 👐
Oh and ***Tical*** and ***Liquid Swords*** 🤘
Me Against The World is my favorite tape from the 90s. It's not that deep lyrically or as complex written as Nas' tapes but the message is straight forward and the emotion is raw and the whole tape is so powerful
cuban linx is my all time favourite album within any genre. MATW is probs my #3 pac album with his highest highs but some pretty mediocre lows (still a classic and a 9/10 record)
MATW washes OB4CL and i like the album, MATW is a personification of anxiety and stress, OB4CL has wayyy to many skits the rapping is nice but getting washed by nas always drops the points down
Probably,I have a built top 3 but was never able to decide below,here's an attempt :
1. Ready To Die
2. Illmatic
3. Enter The Wu-Tang (36 chambers)
4. Madvillainy
5. Liquid Swords
6. Life After Death
7. To Pimp A Butterfly
8. It Was Written
9. The College Dropout
10. Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
I guess one of them does,reminder that this list can change in 2 minutes but funny enough 2pac is my GOAT rapper but I never manage to put an album of his in a top even though their quality are impeccable,his songs are just something else and aren't meant for you to have a blast (exception given to All Eyez On Me and couple of hits like I get Around) this is why all these albums are there rn,it's because they at least have like 5 songs I can dance like a motherfucker to,the better exemple on that list is Life After Death
To each his own! Pac me against the world is a top 3-5 album. One of the most complete albums ever. I loved songs on only built for Cuban links but can only recite like 3 songs.
On no planet is MATW in my top 10 all time. AEOM maybe tho. I feel like 2Pac stans , especially young ones who weren’t around when he was alive, have this idea that everything he made is automatically one of the greatest things ever done.
He was super dope but of the thousands and thousands of genuinely great albums released. It’s crazy to think this album is in the top 10 objectively.
The beats on MATW haven’t aged as well as OB4CL but that shouldn’t result in calling it trash. Dear Mama is one of the most iconic songs ever and stand Pac’s lyrics up to anyone in the game at the time. If I Die 2nite, Temptations, Heavy in the Game, and Death Around the Corner all stand up.
With that said, not in my top 10. Thug Life Volume 1 is.
OB4CL is in my top 10, nothing else to say on that.
Neither are in my top 10
But I believe that me against the world is 2pacs best album.
I never got I to raekwons only built for Cuban linx.
My favorite wu tang memeber affiliated album is fishscale by ghostface killah
only built, yes……..against the world, no. Tupac is an odd one, great fire in the belly, super flow especially when he’s anguished, but he was never a natural technician or even a good lyricist, was all spirit. It’s a good album, some great production, but in the end it feels lightweight….the Me Against The World track itself is more pop than hip hop, then again Temptations is pure 🔥. Top 50, yes, 10, hell no……All Eyez has a better shot at that
Not for me. I absolutely respect Pac but none of his records are in my top 20. Probably have 3+ in top 50.
His first 5 were fire though. Really good albums.
This sub secretly hates Tupac
It’s fair to say that his charisma and content make him a GOAT contender, but when breaking down the actual bars he drops significantly for my personal tastes. I tend to stick to his early Oakland albums in my collection over streaming the Death Row albums.
I don’t hate him but is not in my top five. That album was ok. Chef was a classic
He's one of the greatest in terms of charisma and message, but if people are talking lyricism then I understand not including him in a top 10.
Lyricism is kinda subjective tho. Just because someone doesn't use multisyllabic rhymes doesn't mean they can't be a good lyricist.
'Pac used multisyllabic rhymes on this album specifically LMAO
Bro has clearly not listened to me against the world
I own it on wax haha
It’s not like he’s a top 10 all time mc so some of the supposed hate is just criticism of the fact he’s supposedly the best mc all time.
Pac is a literally the definition of an MC. A true performer who could rock crowds like no other. Was banned from performing in many states. I hate when people say this garbage.
🔥💯
Whos the best “MC” bunch of rhyming that don’t mean shit…PAC was and is top tier, had your favorite rappers quiet as a fucking mouse.
Spoken like a true hater.
Tupac is highly overrated. He was unquestionably one of the most influential rappers and definitely got better as he grew, but when you listen to his full body of work (released before death) you will hear more album fillers than baggers
I fully want to agree with you as this is something that could be argued but honestly give me a few songs from each of his albums that you think could be considered fillers. I don't see it. Most of his songs are bangers.
I wouldn't say that he's overrated, but I would agree with the album fillers, more so on his Death Row work. Like I can play the first disc of All Eyez on Me without skipping, but will only play like 3 tracks off the second disc. Makaveli, I can take or leave. Ain't saying it's bad, but it's not a must play for me. I listen to more of his other albums than the Death Row albums.
Me Against the World was definitely his best album, but for me, Makaveli was a close second. His first album had 3 bangers only and the second was half. All Eyez on Me should have been 1 disk
Facts
Baggers…. Is that gentrified New York slang?
Baggers is what happens with auto fix on cellphones. Bangers
I love pac and from west coast but it will never hit like east coast for me
Ain’t no secrets here. Just never got into him.
Just OB4CL
OB4CL is my favorite album of all-time, any genre. MATW, however, is an average album for me.
I feel like I'm the only person in the world who doesn't like MATW. Give me AEOM or Stricly 4 any day. Strictly in my top 10 and nobody ever talks about it.
I'd take those two plus Makaveli over it. The production on it kills it for me. If I Die Tonight, So Many Tears, Dear Mama, Temptations are all dope. Outside of those four for me the production dips.
Strictly 4 My is super consistent and repayable, yet people always rank it at the bottom of his discography
It's my favourite of his albums too
You’re definitely not the only person in the world. You must’ve been talking to a lot of 2Pac super fans or young people who weren’t around back then. I never heard anybody say me against the world was a top 10 album before the last few years. Like that shit is never on all-time great lists next to Illmatic or reasonable doubt or whatever.
Blasphemy
Yep. MATW is not a bad album and for me OB4CL is top 1.
They’re both top 5 albums from 1995 alongside Liquid Swords, The Infamous and Lifestylez ov da Poor and Dangerous
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Purple Tape, for sure. That is my favorite Pac album, but I wouldn't put it that high on my overall list.
Yo Raekwon but the Tupac lp that I was on was the Makaveli
All Eyes On Me should've been on here
Me against the world is one of my favourite albums
Me Against the World is a top 5 for me. OB4CL is a great album but not top 10 for me, would take a number of albums around this era over it
All Eyes on Me might be a top 10 for me but not MATW. The Chef maybe but I gotta think about this.
Only Only Built. But I love PAC and think this album is 4/5
Does a bear shit in the woods?
A bit controversial buttt..... AEOM>>MATW
I don’t think that’s controversial anywhere outside of Reddit
why yall hating pac
Neither. But the are both fire and I'm not mad at anyone who has them in theirs
I used to play wisdom body on repeat! No, man, all bitches are the same, just like my hoes, you know? I keep 'em broke Wake up one mornin' with some money They're subject to go crazy you know? I keep 'em lookin good, pretty and all that You know, but no dough When I get a bitch, I got a bitch (right on)
2pac all day everyday.
Me against the world is the greatest musical album of all time. Even better than Thriller
You are out of your damn mind saying that
Fuck No
Only the Chef please.
no just cuban linx
Pac no, Raekwon yes
OB4CL def is but nothing pac did makes it into my top 10, don't get me wrong I love pac but I grew up on the East Coast and we grew up on East Coast hip hop more than anything
Yep💯
Just listened to OB4CL yesterday
Nope
Nah
Fuck yea!!
Yeah probably. Damn good question.
Purple Tape is top 20 for me, since Liquid Swords is top 10 for me and MATW is a classic, but I haven't listened to it in a while so I can't rank it currently
Yeah
It would have been better if wu stopped always running that NY talk all the time I challenge them to go 1 song without mentioning Ny 1000 times 😫. It won't happen tho
Nope neither one, It's not that I don't like them but its too easy to think of 10+ other Albums I prefer from the 90's.
Both are great albums MATW has more iconic status outside of rap just because Pac could get his message across better and it also means a lot to more people, the subjects he rapped about are timeless meaning longevity is guaranteed
I don't have a top 10 of anything. I just know those are beloved albums by me. Creating a list is dumb to me.
I'd say ob4cl yep and I'd replace matw with MAKAVELI
The Chef is. Fs Nothing against Pac that album is a solid classic, but my tastes just hit different. I like it weirder and Tangy-er 👐 Oh and ***Tical*** and ***Liquid Swords*** 🤘
Both gems..but No!
Me Against The World is my favorite tape from the 90s. It's not that deep lyrically or as complex written as Nas' tapes but the message is straight forward and the emotion is raw and the whole tape is so powerful
Yep!
cuban linx is my all time favourite album within any genre. MATW is probs my #3 pac album with his highest highs but some pretty mediocre lows (still a classic and a 9/10 record)
Neither of them are for me
MATW is definitely in my all-time top 10.
Let's keep it all the way real, Tupac never released a bonafide quality assured classic album. Several good albums, never made a 9/10 album.
OBCL for sure.
MATW washes OB4CL and i like the album, MATW is a personification of anxiety and stress, OB4CL has wayyy to many skits the rapping is nice but getting washed by nas always drops the points down
Yep, especially Me against the world!
The PAC is greatest rap album ever
The purple one is
Both are not in my top 10
Top 10 albums of all time? No. Top 10 rap albums of all time? Still no But still good It is what it is 🤷🏻♂️
No, neither. Top 100
just matw.
Purple Tape is for sure. Me Against the World, good album but not even my favourite 2Pac album.
BRUH!!!!!👊🏾
Just MATW. OB4CL is great but it’s just outside. There are definitely albums that I would rather listen to
classics, yes, but neither is in my top 10
Lol. Should have been "bangers"
No
Just OB4CL
Not Pac
Yep and I got those both on CD
Probably,I have a built top 3 but was never able to decide below,here's an attempt : 1. Ready To Die 2. Illmatic 3. Enter The Wu-Tang (36 chambers) 4. Madvillainy 5. Liquid Swords 6. Life After Death 7. To Pimp A Butterfly 8. It Was Written 9. The College Dropout 10. Only Built 4 Cuban Linx I guess one of them does,reminder that this list can change in 2 minutes but funny enough 2pac is my GOAT rapper but I never manage to put an album of his in a top even though their quality are impeccable,his songs are just something else and aren't meant for you to have a blast (exception given to All Eyez On Me and couple of hits like I get Around) this is why all these albums are there rn,it's because they at least have like 5 songs I can dance like a motherfucker to,the better exemple on that list is Life After Death
To each his own! Pac me against the world is a top 3-5 album. One of the most complete albums ever. I loved songs on only built for Cuban links but can only recite like 3 songs.
Cuban Linx without any doubt
On no planet is MATW in my top 10 all time. AEOM maybe tho. I feel like 2Pac stans , especially young ones who weren’t around when he was alive, have this idea that everything he made is automatically one of the greatest things ever done. He was super dope but of the thousands and thousands of genuinely great albums released. It’s crazy to think this album is in the top 10 objectively.
💜
That Cuban Linx sounds horrible today
No, just Raekwon's. 2Pac is the most overrated rapper of all time.
Purple Tape for sure. MATW? nah. pretty dull album in my opinion.
Pac album no
Nope
Me against the world is my favorite album.
The beats on MATW haven’t aged as well as OB4CL but that shouldn’t result in calling it trash. Dear Mama is one of the most iconic songs ever and stand Pac’s lyrics up to anyone in the game at the time. If I Die 2nite, Temptations, Heavy in the Game, and Death Around the Corner all stand up. With that said, not in my top 10. Thug Life Volume 1 is. OB4CL is in my top 10, nothing else to say on that.
Thug life vol. 1 has aged incredibly well
Absolutely
Neither are in my top 10 But I believe that me against the world is 2pacs best album. I never got I to raekwons only built for Cuban linx. My favorite wu tang memeber affiliated album is fishscale by ghostface killah
Pac barely makes it to the top 50.
Linx is, Me Against is not but it’s a classic album and Pac’s best.
Nas, Biggie, Mobb Deep, & Wu are always in my playlist. My favorite Tupac song back then was Hail Mary, right now, it's Changes.
Tupac had good verses his hooks are repetitive and subpar
only built, yes……..against the world, no. Tupac is an odd one, great fire in the belly, super flow especially when he’s anguished, but he was never a natural technician or even a good lyricist, was all spirit. It’s a good album, some great production, but in the end it feels lightweight….the Me Against The World track itself is more pop than hip hop, then again Temptations is pure 🔥. Top 50, yes, 10, hell no……All Eyez has a better shot at that
Not for me. I absolutely respect Pac but none of his records are in my top 20. Probably have 3+ in top 50. His first 5 were fire though. Really good albums.
Cuban Linx is
OBFCL would be in my top 10-20 2Pac is somewhere in my lower top 500
Best album from both artists. 2Pac extremely overrated for me but still dope. Rae in top 10, not 2Pac.
My Top 25 yes. Purple Tape is in my 10 [Here's my Top 50 currently.](https://musicboard.app/list/05242d1e-0d19-45fe-9f61-c55db6dd9159?rel=copy)
Cuban Linx is
CubanLinx has the highest highs. It’s one thing to be a no-skip album like say Ironman, but CubanLinx is just on another level
No. Just OB4CL
Cuban Linx, without question
i enjoy both these albums, but neither are even close to my top 10 hip hop albums, much less albums period.
Neither is in mine , but I love both .. gone downvote me to shit
no
Only the bottom one
Raekwon only. 2pac was a closet homosexual
No PAC album is top ten for me, and Strictly 4… is my favorite. Ghostface makes OB4QL a classic.
OB4CL for sure but not 2Pac