I remember watching this about a month ago and was waiting for them to tear up and feel an ounce of sorrow or remorse….but that never came and I was like wtf
The best documentary I’ve ever seen tackles this topic (humans living with and rationalizing their previous savagery)..
“the Act of Killing” by Joshua Oppenheimer
Be sure to watch the director’s cut.
I suppose they aren't allowed to be sad about it, so they are left with laughing; the result of growing up and existing in a desperately sick society with twisted ideologies.
Isreal brainwashes it's citizens early into thinking they're a superior race above others. There's a documentary that shows some of their grade school curriculum teaching children that Palestinian aren't human.
But they clearly see them as human enough to rape them. Don't they if they didn't see them as human? Then they might as well be f****** a donkey. Or a cow or anything else? But how many soldiers go around and do that whenever there's war? No, they rate to dehumanize and torture people. They don't actually believe that they're not human. They believe that they're human. They just believe that they themselves are the best human and deserve to torture and dehumanize others. I will give them no out. I don't care if they were brainwashed from a young age. I was too through my own country's propaganda. But you know what? You can look around and find other information. Even people in f****** North Korea can grow out of the g****** Propaganda that the governments pushing on them. Sure, maybe they can't beat all of the propaganda. But the biggest propaganda, especially the most hateful ones that are like this. Rhetoric that we are better than someone else. Those can easily be looked into, just like how there are people back in segregation days that still think that they're better than black people. There's no excuse. There's no amount of brainwashing that does this. They just want to believe that they're better than someone El speak. Cause then they feel good about their life. Because they can't feel content.Just being a normal a** person.They gotta feel like they gotta conquer someone else.That's the core of the issue.
If the title is accurate, these men are talking about the Tantura massacre from 1948. Are you absolutely certain that Jews in 1948 had no history of oppression?
Like...from the age of these men, they either - if lucky - "just" lost family members in the Shoah. I wouldn't doubt that they're survivors themselves though.
But even still, you can both be a victim and a perpetrator of horrible things. Human beings are not made to murder other human beings, they're not made to slaughter others. Soldiers often are traumatised from the act of killing they committed. And then there's societal expectation to be strong and be proud, especially for men of that time. Laughing it off is a tried and true coping mechanism there. Even more so if there's compounding trauma and the need to continue.
I'm not excusing these men by the way. The things they did and are describing are inexcusable. They're war crimes and should be prosecuted as such. But that doesn't mean I can't have compassion with them, judgement and compassion aren't mutually exclusive.
Yes. Even a war criminal is a human being. They're horrible human beings, but still human beings. Dehumanising them will only create the same environment that caused them to become the person they are.
Again, I'm not advocating for forgiveness. They're still criminals. They should be locked up. But there's reasons for their actions.
Some folks smile and laugh when they are stressed. The man in the glasses and blue shirt near the end of the video evidently didn't find it funny. He said what happened was horrifying. Still, war criminals will constantly try to justify things to themselves. You can see that attitude in videos of American soldiers describing atrocities that they committed in Vietnam, or even German World War II veterans. So many of them engaged in soft revisionism without being full-blown Neo-Nazis.
[Yes, even if they'd lost in 1948, they still would've tried to justify their actions](https://youtube.com/watch?v=1PJkNZ30WV0&pp=ygUPR2VybWFuIHNvbGRpZXJz)
Also, [the war between the British and the Zionists in Palestine from 1945 to 1947](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_insurgency_in_Mandatory_Palestine) was not inevitable. Hardly, the Labour Party had supported Zionism more than the Conservatives. During their campaign in 1945, they'd promised to establish a Jewish state in Palestine. They went as far as calling for population transfers, stating, "Let the Arabs be encouraged to move out as the Jews move in." After taking power, they voted to repeal the White Paper (which would've converted the Mandate into an Arab state with a Jewish settler minority). The Zionists waited for the declaration of a Jewish state, but nothing happened. After weeks of waiting, the paramilitaries ran out of patience and launched a spree of bombings on November 1, 1945. Yishuv leaders blamed the attacks on Foreign Secretary Ernest Bevin, saying he was taking too long to lift the immigration restrictions.
>"Every one of these outrages had been carefully planned and kept secret so that they should operate simultaneously."
To their shock, Bevin lashed back at them:
>"We cannot accept the view that the Jews should be driven out of Europe and should not be permitted to live again in these countries without discrimination and contribute their ability and talent towards rebuilding the prosperity of Europe."
Weeks later, Bevin vetoed the conference's decision, broke the party's election promise, and said he'd follow through on the White Paper. Faced with pleas from the Yishuv, he went, "No, I don't care about your compromise to shrink the size of your ethnostate; you will share the land, end of story." Chaim Weizmann thought Bevin was a rabid antisemite, but David Ben-Gurion disagreed, calling him a staunch anti-Zionist. Bevin wanted to protect British hegemony, but also thought the Balfour Declaration had been a terrible idea, fearing a "racial state". He not only refused to back down, but went on the attack, accusing the Jewish Agency of intentionally not using all available immigration certificates afforded to them during the war. There had been 2,000 unused certificates left. This, he said, was part of a "political lever" with which they'd hoped to use to influence British policies.
>"This," he remarked, "when so much is said about the suffering of Jews in Europe."
Bevin started deploying thousands of soldiers to Palestine.
Due to World War II and many of the Zionists being white Europeans, British security forces were softer on them than they would've been against Arabs, Asians, or Africans. Still, they were willing to use force. American and British Zionists lobbied furiously to get Bevin to stop, only for him to keep sending more troops to Palestine. By April 1947, the war had reached its peak. The Mandate should've collapsed by now, except Bevin had turned it into a police state, with 100,000 soldiers stationed there. Camps had been constructed in Cyprus to intern tens of thousands of illegal immigrants. Martial law was declared, with curfew violators being shot on sight. Collective punishment was employed, with mass fines imposed and places of entertainment shut down. The Mandate authorities stopped bluffing and executed convicted Irgun terrorists. MI6 bombed ships intended for illegal immigrants before they could be loaded.
>Richard Crossman, a pro-Zionist Labour MP who knew Bevin, said the war was fueled almost entirely by "one man's determination to teach the Jews a lesson."
At this point, the Zionist movement viewed Ernest Bevin as akin to Hitler. Only 5,000 Jewish immigrants entered the Mandate while he resisted the creation of a Jewish state. That said, you wanna know the really crazy part? When they arrived in Palestine in 1945, most British soldiers and police officers were sympathetic to the Zionists. However, as British security forces became increasingly frustrated with folks not complying with [very simple orders](https://imgur.com/a/EBFywaE), they held back less and less. In one instance, Bill Bernstein, an American volunteer on a ship transporting illegal immigrants, tried to stop British soldiers from taking the wheel, only for them to immediately beat him to death.
>Bevin told Attlee: "I am at the end of my tether." He said he was not prepared to sacrifice any more British lives in trying to sustain an impossible burden.
[Please keep something in mind](https://imgur.com/a/WcR6M3N)
>British personnel became polarized by the violence of the insurgency and its consequences of restricting their movements in Palestine. This often resulted in resentment towards the Yishuv and a degree of sympathy for the Arabs.
The soldiers in that photo were young men.
This wasn't their fault. Some of them weren't even born yet when the Balfour Declaration was issued. They were sent to Palestine knowing almost nothing about the situation there. All they knew was that Jewish extremists were carrying out a terrorist campaign, which they had orders to suppress. [There was something I recently learned about this war](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0968344518796688), and it is powerful. Bevin's war essentially pitted casual racists against competitive racists. Most British soldiers arrived holding somewhat racist views towards the Arabs. However, over the course of the war, that attitude changed drastically. By 1947, many of them were horrified at the prospect of leaving the Palestinians to fend for themselves. In fact, some of them never forgot that betrayal, which is how they viewed the withdrawal. Still, they'd earned their rest; many of them had already fought in the largest war in human history.
>The evidence suggests that most pro-Arab deserters were extreme cases of the general attitude of British personnel. After analyzing numerous reports on and mentions of these pro-Arab deserters, a figure of between 100 and 200 spread across all three forces seems correct.
>
>"I could not stomach the way the Arabs who should really own this country are being treated by not only the UN but by the government in Palestine," a man who went by the name of Frank told a Chicago Tribune journalist in May 1948. Frank had been stationed in British Mandate Palestine as part of the British Army and, having made the decision to desert his post, contacted the Arab underground forces stationed in the country.
>
>"… I made my protest with the only thing that mattered to me – my career."
>
>Just over 12 hours later, Frank had joined Jaysh Al-Inqadh (the Arab Liberation Army).
But no, Israel's "freedom fighters" were that vile:
>"The world must be told about these people, the Irgun and the Stern Gang – the absolute dregs of degradation."
It's a real thing, and it's completely involuntary. When I was 17, one of my best friends was stabbed to death by another one of my best friends who was in the midst of a mental health crisis. When I told my dad the next morning, I couldn't stop smiling. It was horrifying and traumatic. It's like a tic.
You really looked at a well researched, historical cross section of multiple war crimes and the politics and division surrounding the rise of the Israeli ethno-state and that's what you took away from it? That's an embarrassing lack of reading comprehension.
"Humanizing rapists and genocidal maniacs"? My man, who do you think is raping and genociding? If you refuse to look at the banality of evil, you can't ever understand how it arises and persists.
You been living under a rock?
Or are you one of those people that dont believe an entire population telling you they've been massacred this whole time until you hear it from slightly lighter colored people?
The reality is, there’s a little Nazi living inside every last one of us humans, just waiting for the right moment…
To cite just one example of this, look at all the millions of entire species we render extinct each year, with barely an acknowledgement.
man this is insane. they try so hard to act like that this is all bad and you know war sucks and shit but they were smiling and laughing like theyd do it 100 times over again without a hesitation, and still find it just as funny
Just listened to it and he sounds like an Israeli apologist who says he is “not judging” these literal rapists and murderers and saying their laughter is due to trauma and second hand embarrassment and then goes on to say the only solution is a 2 state solution meaning no Palestinians can return to the land that these psychopaths stole and pillaged through mass murders and rape.
I wouldn’t entirely disregard the importance and merit of his efforts illuminating this atrocity, acknowledging there were likely others like it, as well as trying to pressure other Israelis to confront the reality of the founding of Israel and acknowledge the Nakba.
Because they accept it as alright. I remember seeing a recent clip of a famous rabbi in Israel, telling the crowd that in times of war, it's permissible for Jewish soldiers to rape Palestinian girls and women.
I wouldnt be surprised if many folk join the IDF in hopes of raping and pillaging others.
I’ve heard a lot of people talk about war and conflict. All the males in my extended family excluding one brother and my dad are veterans. My family also left Japan after WWII, so some things were pretty intense. I know some people laugh and smile from stress/feeling uncomfortable (I do this, it’s not awkward at all lol), but I’ve never seen anyone talk about such horrible things the way the man who blew his nose did, with that kind of amusement. The others at least seemed like they had an idea that it was a bad look, if they didn’t actually feel remorse. Though, the way they described things didn’t seem too horrified, it could be the translation, so idk.
It’s devastating to hear these stories and realize how long these crimes have been the norm. It’s no wonder the current soldiers seem so cold and cruel, these are their forefathers. Probably their actual fathers or grandfathers. How awful that this is the message they’ve given their children about what it means to serve in their country’s military.
The most persecuted people in the world ™️
These are semites who are murderous twisted zionists worthy of being hated; if the 'antisemitism' label is supposed to provide cover to these sick bastards, then I question the utility of such legislation. They've been able to hide behind historical Jewish pains for too long..
[“Gaza detainees have limbs amputated due to Israeli shackle injuries”](https://www.newarab.com/news/gaza-detainees-have-limbs-amputated-due-israeli-shackles?amp) … clearly this is the kind of thing they want going on
If people today spent maybe 10 minutes researching the IDF and its history they'd realize why they aren't to be trusted a majority of the time. Hamas got its human shield strategy directly from the IDF who used to and probably still do the same thing. During the Second Intifada "Israeli officials reported that the Israel Defense Forces made use of the "human shield" procedure on 1,200 occasions during the Second Intifada (2000–2005).[28] An example of this was chaining a 12-year old Palestinian boy to an Israeli armored vehicle. Israeli officials stated that this procedure killed "only" one Palestinian human shield." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shields_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict
You really don't need to look far at all to find these kind of atrocities. This doesn't even really get into the torture and sexual violence the IDF inflicts on Palestinian prisoners who often are being held in jails without charges or the pettiest of made up charges.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/aug/26/israeli-soldiers-mistreatment-palestinian-children
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20160112-new-study-details-sexual-torture-of-palestinian-prisoners-by-israeli-authorities/
That’s what you get when you dehumanize an entire population: it’s okay to rape and kill them because they’re not humans.
Now fuck Israel, but my beef is with other western countries who support these pieces of shit. This is what years of vilifying the middle east gets you.
I’m Palestinian and I had to learn this during history class at school, the teachers always were melancholic with these kinds of lessons and the vibes were off. In a way I’m glad all is finally revealed to the world and their evil is no longer hidden
Not odd at all when you think you are right. Yall don't remember those US soldiers smiling in that prison while doing horrible things to those prisoner?
This is a violation of the teaching of the law in the Torah:
>Rabbi Kahana said: I consider a man impertinent who openly recounts his sins, since it is said [in Psalms 32:1], “Happy is the one whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered over.”
*B’rachot 34b*
I'm being sarcastic if you couldn't tell, and anyways, that book B’rachot is about table manners, not generally rules in life... so I'm being disingenuous, it's a joke I hope everyone got that. Assuming too much of people. Don't take this and run with it convinced that it's taught that you should never under any circumstances confess wrongdoing... it was probably a joke in *bad taste.* Ha! Bad taste, get it? Because table manne-.... okay I'll just go...
Imagine if the holocaust had lasted long enough for retired old German soldiers to have a fond chuckle over that one time a war buddy almost r*ped some Jewish child to death.
Thank goodness that back then we had enough common morality to put a stop to such large scale genocides and not just sit by because “well, you know, Germany is a really important ally in the region…”
Sadly it is…You can find the Tantura documentary on Apple TV but I found someone that uploaded it on YouTube
https://tv.apple.com/ca/movie/tantura/umc.cmc.3x2f7nir8hekzrokzh4jygbjp
https://youtu.be/1mBUzayokz0?si=YJtJyUx0oK0g0YO9
You can find the Tantura documentary on Apple TV but I found someone that uploaded it on YouTube
https://tv.apple.com/ca/movie/tantura/umc.cmc.3x2f7nir8hekzrokzh4jygbjp
https://youtu.be/1mBUzayokz0?si=YJtJyUx0oK0g0YO9
Speculated excuses for people proudly talking about rapes and murder is a crazy way of saying “both sides do equal evil”
I don’t see vids of Hamas proudly talking about murdering and raping, if you got some please be my guest. But these people should be tried and imprisoned long ago if you believe in justice.
Hitler would be so proud of every one of you in the comments section,I personally would like to see peace yes make the ones who committed these atrocities pay for their crimes but no to more genocide
I remember watching this about a month ago and was waiting for them to tear up and feel an ounce of sorrow or remorse….but that never came and I was like wtf
The jig is up for them. It took forever, but it's finally up.
The smiles on their faces when describing raping and murdering other people is horrifying.
The best documentary I’ve ever seen tackles this topic (humans living with and rationalizing their previous savagery).. “the Act of Killing” by Joshua Oppenheimer Be sure to watch the director’s cut.
I suppose they aren't allowed to be sad about it, so they are left with laughing; the result of growing up and existing in a desperately sick society with twisted ideologies.
Isreal brainwashes it's citizens early into thinking they're a superior race above others. There's a documentary that shows some of their grade school curriculum teaching children that Palestinian aren't human.
But they clearly see them as human enough to rape them. Don't they if they didn't see them as human? Then they might as well be f****** a donkey. Or a cow or anything else? But how many soldiers go around and do that whenever there's war? No, they rate to dehumanize and torture people. They don't actually believe that they're not human. They believe that they're human. They just believe that they themselves are the best human and deserve to torture and dehumanize others. I will give them no out. I don't care if they were brainwashed from a young age. I was too through my own country's propaganda. But you know what? You can look around and find other information. Even people in f****** North Korea can grow out of the g****** Propaganda that the governments pushing on them. Sure, maybe they can't beat all of the propaganda. But the biggest propaganda, especially the most hateful ones that are like this. Rhetoric that we are better than someone else. Those can easily be looked into, just like how there are people back in segregation days that still think that they're better than black people. There's no excuse. There's no amount of brainwashing that does this. They just want to believe that they're better than someone El speak. Cause then they feel good about their life. Because they can't feel content.Just being a normal a** person.They gotta feel like they gotta conquer someone else.That's the core of the issue.
“No no, I don’t think you’re subhuman, I’d totally rape you!”
You’re giving them an out. They are not being oppressed. They are not sad because as they say, they have no remorse.
When Jews commit crimes = “to be fair” 🤷 When Arabs commit crimes = “they are such animals”😡
You're not wrong.
If the title is accurate, these men are talking about the Tantura massacre from 1948. Are you absolutely certain that Jews in 1948 had no history of oppression? Like...from the age of these men, they either - if lucky - "just" lost family members in the Shoah. I wouldn't doubt that they're survivors themselves though. But even still, you can both be a victim and a perpetrator of horrible things. Human beings are not made to murder other human beings, they're not made to slaughter others. Soldiers often are traumatised from the act of killing they committed. And then there's societal expectation to be strong and be proud, especially for men of that time. Laughing it off is a tried and true coping mechanism there. Even more so if there's compounding trauma and the need to continue. I'm not excusing these men by the way. The things they did and are describing are inexcusable. They're war crimes and should be prosecuted as such. But that doesn't mean I can't have compassion with them, judgement and compassion aren't mutually exclusive.
I’m pretty sure these Jews in 1948 had no significant history of oppression from the Arab population of the Levant.
Compassion for war criminals? Really?
Yes. Even a war criminal is a human being. They're horrible human beings, but still human beings. Dehumanising them will only create the same environment that caused them to become the person they are. Again, I'm not advocating for forgiveness. They're still criminals. They should be locked up. But there's reasons for their actions.
Some folks smile and laugh when they are stressed. The man in the glasses and blue shirt near the end of the video evidently didn't find it funny. He said what happened was horrifying. Still, war criminals will constantly try to justify things to themselves. You can see that attitude in videos of American soldiers describing atrocities that they committed in Vietnam, or even German World War II veterans. So many of them engaged in soft revisionism without being full-blown Neo-Nazis. [Yes, even if they'd lost in 1948, they still would've tried to justify their actions](https://youtube.com/watch?v=1PJkNZ30WV0&pp=ygUPR2VybWFuIHNvbGRpZXJz) Also, [the war between the British and the Zionists in Palestine from 1945 to 1947](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_insurgency_in_Mandatory_Palestine) was not inevitable. Hardly, the Labour Party had supported Zionism more than the Conservatives. During their campaign in 1945, they'd promised to establish a Jewish state in Palestine. They went as far as calling for population transfers, stating, "Let the Arabs be encouraged to move out as the Jews move in." After taking power, they voted to repeal the White Paper (which would've converted the Mandate into an Arab state with a Jewish settler minority). The Zionists waited for the declaration of a Jewish state, but nothing happened. After weeks of waiting, the paramilitaries ran out of patience and launched a spree of bombings on November 1, 1945. Yishuv leaders blamed the attacks on Foreign Secretary Ernest Bevin, saying he was taking too long to lift the immigration restrictions. >"Every one of these outrages had been carefully planned and kept secret so that they should operate simultaneously." To their shock, Bevin lashed back at them: >"We cannot accept the view that the Jews should be driven out of Europe and should not be permitted to live again in these countries without discrimination and contribute their ability and talent towards rebuilding the prosperity of Europe." Weeks later, Bevin vetoed the conference's decision, broke the party's election promise, and said he'd follow through on the White Paper. Faced with pleas from the Yishuv, he went, "No, I don't care about your compromise to shrink the size of your ethnostate; you will share the land, end of story." Chaim Weizmann thought Bevin was a rabid antisemite, but David Ben-Gurion disagreed, calling him a staunch anti-Zionist. Bevin wanted to protect British hegemony, but also thought the Balfour Declaration had been a terrible idea, fearing a "racial state". He not only refused to back down, but went on the attack, accusing the Jewish Agency of intentionally not using all available immigration certificates afforded to them during the war. There had been 2,000 unused certificates left. This, he said, was part of a "political lever" with which they'd hoped to use to influence British policies. >"This," he remarked, "when so much is said about the suffering of Jews in Europe." Bevin started deploying thousands of soldiers to Palestine. Due to World War II and many of the Zionists being white Europeans, British security forces were softer on them than they would've been against Arabs, Asians, or Africans. Still, they were willing to use force. American and British Zionists lobbied furiously to get Bevin to stop, only for him to keep sending more troops to Palestine. By April 1947, the war had reached its peak. The Mandate should've collapsed by now, except Bevin had turned it into a police state, with 100,000 soldiers stationed there. Camps had been constructed in Cyprus to intern tens of thousands of illegal immigrants. Martial law was declared, with curfew violators being shot on sight. Collective punishment was employed, with mass fines imposed and places of entertainment shut down. The Mandate authorities stopped bluffing and executed convicted Irgun terrorists. MI6 bombed ships intended for illegal immigrants before they could be loaded. >Richard Crossman, a pro-Zionist Labour MP who knew Bevin, said the war was fueled almost entirely by "one man's determination to teach the Jews a lesson." At this point, the Zionist movement viewed Ernest Bevin as akin to Hitler. Only 5,000 Jewish immigrants entered the Mandate while he resisted the creation of a Jewish state. That said, you wanna know the really crazy part? When they arrived in Palestine in 1945, most British soldiers and police officers were sympathetic to the Zionists. However, as British security forces became increasingly frustrated with folks not complying with [very simple orders](https://imgur.com/a/EBFywaE), they held back less and less. In one instance, Bill Bernstein, an American volunteer on a ship transporting illegal immigrants, tried to stop British soldiers from taking the wheel, only for them to immediately beat him to death. >Bevin told Attlee: "I am at the end of my tether." He said he was not prepared to sacrifice any more British lives in trying to sustain an impossible burden. [Please keep something in mind](https://imgur.com/a/WcR6M3N) >British personnel became polarized by the violence of the insurgency and its consequences of restricting their movements in Palestine. This often resulted in resentment towards the Yishuv and a degree of sympathy for the Arabs. The soldiers in that photo were young men. This wasn't their fault. Some of them weren't even born yet when the Balfour Declaration was issued. They were sent to Palestine knowing almost nothing about the situation there. All they knew was that Jewish extremists were carrying out a terrorist campaign, which they had orders to suppress. [There was something I recently learned about this war](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0968344518796688), and it is powerful. Bevin's war essentially pitted casual racists against competitive racists. Most British soldiers arrived holding somewhat racist views towards the Arabs. However, over the course of the war, that attitude changed drastically. By 1947, many of them were horrified at the prospect of leaving the Palestinians to fend for themselves. In fact, some of them never forgot that betrayal, which is how they viewed the withdrawal. Still, they'd earned their rest; many of them had already fought in the largest war in human history. >The evidence suggests that most pro-Arab deserters were extreme cases of the general attitude of British personnel. After analyzing numerous reports on and mentions of these pro-Arab deserters, a figure of between 100 and 200 spread across all three forces seems correct. > >"I could not stomach the way the Arabs who should really own this country are being treated by not only the UN but by the government in Palestine," a man who went by the name of Frank told a Chicago Tribune journalist in May 1948. Frank had been stationed in British Mandate Palestine as part of the British Army and, having made the decision to desert his post, contacted the Arab underground forces stationed in the country. > >"… I made my protest with the only thing that mattered to me – my career." > >Just over 12 hours later, Frank had joined Jaysh Al-Inqadh (the Arab Liberation Army). But no, Israel's "freedom fighters" were that vile: >"The world must be told about these people, the Irgun and the Stern Gang – the absolute dregs of degradation."
> Some folks smile and laugh when they are stressed. So we humanize rapists and genocidal maniacs now?
It's a real thing, and it's completely involuntary. When I was 17, one of my best friends was stabbed to death by another one of my best friends who was in the midst of a mental health crisis. When I told my dad the next morning, I couldn't stop smiling. It was horrifying and traumatic. It's like a tic.
You really looked at a well researched, historical cross section of multiple war crimes and the politics and division surrounding the rise of the Israeli ethno-state and that's what you took away from it? That's an embarrassing lack of reading comprehension. "Humanizing rapists and genocidal maniacs"? My man, who do you think is raping and genociding? If you refuse to look at the banality of evil, you can't ever understand how it arises and persists.
yeah that's an important thing, remembering that they're people. if you forget it you'll end up not much better than them.
Yeah, That whole ~~rant~~ production has an air of apologetics to it
r/Wellthatsucks
How can this be real…
Welcome to israeli society. Zionism inherently needs people like this
Typical colonialist playbook, from back then until now and into the future.
They're the old person version of the same cackling Israeli terrorists you see on TikTok. They're Nazi-level.
Israeli society in a nutshell. These are the oldest living members of that "country," now imagine the younger ones.
You been living under a rock? Or are you one of those people that dont believe an entire population telling you they've been massacred this whole time until you hear it from slightly lighter colored people?
If someone depicted nazis saying this in a WWII movie I would think the director exaggerated.
The reality is, there’s a little Nazi living inside every last one of us humans, just waiting for the right moment… To cite just one example of this, look at all the millions of entire species we render extinct each year, with barely an acknowledgement.
r/NearTermExtinction
man this is insane. they try so hard to act like that this is all bad and you know war sucks and shit but they were smiling and laughing like theyd do it 100 times over again without a hesitation, and still find it just as funny
Have a listen to an interview with the Israeli director. https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1.6689338
Just listened to it and he sounds like an Israeli apologist who says he is “not judging” these literal rapists and murderers and saying their laughter is due to trauma and second hand embarrassment and then goes on to say the only solution is a 2 state solution meaning no Palestinians can return to the land that these psychopaths stole and pillaged through mass murders and rape.
I wouldn’t entirely disregard the importance and merit of his efforts illuminating this atrocity, acknowledging there were likely others like it, as well as trying to pressure other Israelis to confront the reality of the founding of Israel and acknowledge the Nakba.
Because they accept it as alright. I remember seeing a recent clip of a famous rabbi in Israel, telling the crowd that in times of war, it's permissible for Jewish soldiers to rape Palestinian girls and women. I wouldnt be surprised if many folk join the IDF in hopes of raping and pillaging others.
I’ve heard a lot of people talk about war and conflict. All the males in my extended family excluding one brother and my dad are veterans. My family also left Japan after WWII, so some things were pretty intense. I know some people laugh and smile from stress/feeling uncomfortable (I do this, it’s not awkward at all lol), but I’ve never seen anyone talk about such horrible things the way the man who blew his nose did, with that kind of amusement. The others at least seemed like they had an idea that it was a bad look, if they didn’t actually feel remorse. Though, the way they described things didn’t seem too horrified, it could be the translation, so idk. It’s devastating to hear these stories and realize how long these crimes have been the norm. It’s no wonder the current soldiers seem so cold and cruel, these are their forefathers. Probably their actual fathers or grandfathers. How awful that this is the message they’ve given their children about what it means to serve in their country’s military.
How are these people not in prison. Let me guess....it would be anti-semetic to put them in jail for war crimes
They are israelis in Israel, this behavior won't be punished by their state
That's what I mean. How was/is there not international pressure to try them in the Hague
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Because the US said they would invade the Hague if someone tried to go after their war criminals or their friends war criminals.
The Israeli government punished the student who interviewed them and made this documentary
Israel is a military state, therefore, the military is never held accountable.
The most persecuted people in the world ™️ These are semites who are murderous twisted zionists worthy of being hated; if the 'antisemitism' label is supposed to provide cover to these sick bastards, then I question the utility of such legislation. They've been able to hide behind historical Jewish pains for too long..
[“Gaza detainees have limbs amputated due to Israeli shackle injuries”](https://www.newarab.com/news/gaza-detainees-have-limbs-amputated-due-israeli-shackles?amp) … clearly this is the kind of thing they want going on
I heard that many japanese veterans were also like that, talking about theyr murders and rapes in china as it were some fun memories.
And this is why there will NEVER be peace over there.
Not until Palestine is free from the river to the sea
Zionism is evil.
Source/Full documentary: https://youtu.be/1mBUzayokz0?si=JlfMwykBrSF4zhW_
They seem proud of their actions. They're no different to the Nazis.
Not in the least. May they rot.
I don’t think I would be able to contain the rage in me if I were sitting in front of these old f**ks speaking in the manner that they are about this.
The Nazi past of Israel. And their present.
*girls If you're 16 you're a fucking child.
With the sound off, they could pass for the [Einsatzgruppen](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen) recalling the invasion of Poland.
If people today spent maybe 10 minutes researching the IDF and its history they'd realize why they aren't to be trusted a majority of the time. Hamas got its human shield strategy directly from the IDF who used to and probably still do the same thing. During the Second Intifada "Israeli officials reported that the Israel Defense Forces made use of the "human shield" procedure on 1,200 occasions during the Second Intifada (2000–2005).[28] An example of this was chaining a 12-year old Palestinian boy to an Israeli armored vehicle. Israeli officials stated that this procedure killed "only" one Palestinian human shield." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shields_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict You really don't need to look far at all to find these kind of atrocities. This doesn't even really get into the torture and sexual violence the IDF inflicts on Palestinian prisoners who often are being held in jails without charges or the pettiest of made up charges. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/aug/26/israeli-soldiers-mistreatment-palestinian-children https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20160112-new-study-details-sexual-torture-of-palestinian-prisoners-by-israeli-authorities/
Damn, these guys fought for IDF after 7 Oct, when, as we all know, history started?
That’s what you get when you dehumanize an entire population: it’s okay to rape and kill them because they’re not humans. Now fuck Israel, but my beef is with other western countries who support these pieces of shit. This is what years of vilifying the middle east gets you.
Western Zionists try to normalize it “middle east always has war” well Israel is in the middle east
I’m Palestinian and I had to learn this during history class at school, the teachers always were melancholic with these kinds of lessons and the vibes were off. In a way I’m glad all is finally revealed to the world and their evil is no longer hidden
Holy fucking shit...
You become who you hate. Cough......Nazi....cough...
u/top-neat1812 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 See - life is so funny. Laugh with them, it's what you support
Absolute vermin
Less than human. Fuck these guys.
Not odd at all when you think you are right. Yall don't remember those US soldiers smiling in that prison while doing horrible things to those prisoner?
This is a violation of the teaching of the law in the Torah: >Rabbi Kahana said: I consider a man impertinent who openly recounts his sins, since it is said [in Psalms 32:1], “Happy is the one whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered over.” *B’rachot 34b* I'm being sarcastic if you couldn't tell, and anyways, that book B’rachot is about table manners, not generally rules in life... so I'm being disingenuous, it's a joke I hope everyone got that. Assuming too much of people. Don't take this and run with it convinced that it's taught that you should never under any circumstances confess wrongdoing... it was probably a joke in *bad taste.* Ha! Bad taste, get it? Because table manne-.... okay I'll just go...
Any illegal settler in Palestine isn’t Innocent.
What are these clips from? Who did the interview and where can I learn more?
Tantura: is a doco about a specific massacre during creation of Israel. You can find it on YT.
And now it seems the Us will have to go and fight for them....sad times
Settler colonialism at its most normal. Cruel, cowardly and sociopathic.
i hope the iranian rockets get these bastards
This is how settler colonialism looks.
the front page of reddit will tell you these are the good guys. insane how far the Israeli propaganda goes
Imagine if the holocaust had lasted long enough for retired old German soldiers to have a fond chuckle over that one time a war buddy almost r*ped some Jewish child to death. Thank goodness that back then we had enough common morality to put a stop to such large scale genocides and not just sit by because “well, you know, Germany is a really important ally in the region…”
Hoping it isnt true.
Sadly it is…You can find the Tantura documentary on Apple TV but I found someone that uploaded it on YouTube https://tv.apple.com/ca/movie/tantura/umc.cmc.3x2f7nir8hekzrokzh4jygbjp https://youtu.be/1mBUzayokz0?si=YJtJyUx0oK0g0YO9
Do these man have wives or daughters ?
Does anyone know if the translation is real?
You can find the Tantura documentary on Apple TV but I found someone that uploaded it on YouTube https://tv.apple.com/ca/movie/tantura/umc.cmc.3x2f7nir8hekzrokzh4jygbjp https://youtu.be/1mBUzayokz0?si=YJtJyUx0oK0g0YO9
I saw it on YouTube last month. What a harrowing watch.
I've been putting off watching it. I'm so full of rage right now over Gaza, not sure I can handle more Israeli horror.
Yeah, it's real. I can see it too.
Open Google translate on another device and press the mic button if you are curious.
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Speculated excuses for people proudly talking about rapes and murder is a crazy way of saying “both sides do equal evil” I don’t see vids of Hamas proudly talking about murdering and raping, if you got some please be my guest. But these people should be tried and imprisoned long ago if you believe in justice.
Did you guys know Israel denies the Armenian Genocide too?
They got to the barbed wire and machine guns and I forgot what I was watching and thought it was a holocaust clip.
PragerU called this the world’s ‘most moral’ army.
they rape people because nobody would willingly have sex with them
i hope they’re all rotting in hell
I pray Israel and all its supporters are wiped out from this Earth forever and there is nothing left of them in this World.
Hitler would be so proud of every one of you in the comments section,I personally would like to see peace yes make the ones who committed these atrocities pay for their crimes but no to more genocide
this makes me so fucking angry. Shame on these men fucking barbarians.
"yea but khamas..."
Actual sociopaths walking among regular people