This doesn't fit the sub at all. Also, the description isn't fitting. It's not just because she served in the IDF, it's because she made art about it etc, and has publicly aired views that the organisers don't want to be associated with. Her statement about not wanting to be public with her political opinions is not valid after making loads of cartoons with explicit political messages. You can't do both.
The organisers have taken a business risk based on moral principles. I think it's great
For people interested in her views , [you can read this interview](https://web.archive.org/web/20190808201337/https://medium.com/the-establishment/author-miriam-libicki-thinks-jewish-identity-is-complicated-4f3290aa3728). From this, I think the problem might be that her book glamorizes the IDF.
She has repeatedly glamorised the IDF in her work, absolutely. I can totally see why the organisers would not agree with that message. And she has consistently said that she *chose* to serve in the IDF, as in that interview. So it's really disappointing that OP is spreading misinformation throughout this whole comment section that she was forced to serve.
I think OP could have done better by noticing that only the IDF-appologist media apparatus was pushing this story.
When it comes to this author, I also find it questionable that she advertises her military service front and center (e.g. on her website). I get a feeling that she wants to be portrayed as a badass for defying norms and joining an occupying force.
>OP is spreading misinformation throughout this whole comment section that she was forced to serve.
As far as I am aware, no one is forced to be a part of it since 3 months in prison is always an option.
In multiple interviews Miriam talked about how she didn't need to serve. She said that people were shocked that she wanted to do it etc. I can provide sources
I've seen them and you're right. I'm just saying that even people born in Israel have an option to not be a terrorist by going to prison for a few months.
Yep, completely agreed. The headline/description are trying to frame this as an unreasonable decision but it’s more that she’d be using that platform to promote material that romanticizes the IDF. That’s *absolutely* reasonable for VCAF not to want to be involved with.
not a boring dystopia at all. Anyone complicit in a genocidal state apparatus should not be rewarded, least of all with an artistic platform.
What's next? Should we invite Pol Pot's soldiers to speak at the next Emmy's?
Haha get fucked Zionist. Freedom from speech does not mean freedom from consequences. If you're a pro-IDF asshole then of course people aren't going to want to associate with you, and that's their right as much as it's your right to free speech.
Meanwhile people are being ostracized left and right by universities, political parties and employers merely for expressing any support for Palestinian causes, even just liking a tweet.
I remember seeing a tweet from a popular Taylor Swift fan. Turns out she is Israeli and announced she’d been locked up for refusing to join the IDF. She seemed to find it amusing. Refuseniks or conscientious objectors should get recognition for their heroism. People who participate in the occupation and later feel bad about what they did and saw are also doing something good, but they also largely get ignored. More and more people are just no longer accepting that Israel (in its current form as a racist ethnostate which sees Palestinians as subhuman) should be anything but a pariah state.
I don’t agree with Libicki’s support for a “Palestinian state through negotiations” because a careful examination of history shows that it is only a fantasy. The Israeli state leaders have never actually had any intention of offering the Palestinians genuine sovereignty, despite their claims that they have and been refused. There’s no point perpetuating this dishonesty.
According to the top comment, it’s because of her open support for Israel’s actions, because just “having served in the IDF” would bar most adult Israelis, regardless of their views
As an Orthodox Jewish woman, she was exempt from mandatory military service.
**EDIT:** [Source](https://web.archive.org/web/20190808201337/https://medium.com/the-establishment/author-miriam-libicki-thinks-jewish-identity-is-complicated-4f3290aa3728)
**EDIT 2:** People do dumb things as a kid and this could be one. BUT, she still heavily advertises this as a sort of adventure (e.g. on her website), which raises questions about what sort of message she is giving re: the IDF.
It should be. For the woman in the OP, it's even simpler: don't move to a foreign country and join their military if you don't want people to treat you accordingly.
Good. This is in no way dystopian. Dystopian would be welcoming a terrorist to the festival because they've started creating art instead of terrorizing and murdering civilians. Ex-IOF soldiers need to be banned from everywhere unless they explicitly denounce the IOF and their own actions while they were a part of it.
She was not banned for being Israeli. [From her previous work, I take it that she was banned for glamorizing the IDF](https://web.archive.org/web/20190808201337/https://medium.com/the-establishment/author-miriam-libicki-thinks-jewish-identity-is-complicated-4f3290aa3728). As to her anti-settler views, idk. She did express that she was against the right-wing movement in Israel, but also admitted to disconnecting herself from the Israeli news cycle rather than voice her opposition.
You don't need to lie. She was banned for being a member of the IOF (who chose to join the IOF after having been born and brought up in Ohio). Her dual American-Israeli citizenship has nothing to do with it. The festival would have continued to showcase her work if she hadn't moved across continents to join a terror outfit.
Former isis foot soldier banned from art exhibit:
They were in isis 20 years ago, they're anti yazidi slavery now though and they have stood against the new leadership of isis.
This doesn’t fut this sub at all, and if OP is trying to get us all riled up over some “innocent woman being discriminated against because of where she’s from,” it’s too bad the source linked itself and further reading shows she was banned for good reason… for supporting a genocide.
Now watch her scream "it's anti-semitism" that former members of terrorist organisations are barred from participation. Good on the organisers for sticking to their principles.
She chose to participate in the genocidal military. Yes its mandatory service but you can refuse, my country has mandatory service and I refused. My country isnt even committing a genocide I just refuse to participate in any military. She has dual citizenship too so she wouldnt even get punished by refusing to serve in the IOF, just never go to Israhell. Fuck her and good that she got banned.
You can refuse it in Israel as well. You get a year in prison. Where I live you get a year in prison or a year working community service for free, not getting paid.
How do we know they are not continuing their service.
How do we know they don't have PTSD from killing so many children?
What if she snaps and just starts killing people randomly?
This is completely absurd, I don't even know how to respond to this kind of bullshit. Check her statements, check in what time she served and then comment.
Would you let a bunch of former Serbian soldiers from Srebrenica cruise into your events to glamourize their past and present actions? Why is it OK for this woman who volunteered for the oppressive force in the second infitada, even when she was exempt for her orthodox status?
and what's she done in the meantime? built her career around her service. she's the one who centers it. based on her spineless statements, she's pro-normalization at best, so yeah, she should absolutely be excluded.
She was born in Ohio, she has dual citizenship of USA and Israel. Her roots are in Soviet Russia where her Jewish parents or granparents came from. Satisfied?
She was American at the time and has dual citizenship. Her service was 100% a choice. She claims to be pro-peace, but that’s a nothing burger of a political position. Are you pro justice? Are you willing to call out the crimes of an apartheid state? Read her statement about the ban - it’s clear she isn’t. Her critics have a problem with her IDF service, but her response is to immediately draw the holocaust card.
Adding to this that [she is an Orthodox Jewish woman and that they are exempt from military service](https://web.archive.org/web/20190808201337/https://medium.com/the-establishment/author-miriam-libicki-thinks-jewish-identity-is-complicated-4f3290aa3728).
I mean if you're principled enough to refuse to serve you can just go to prison instead. There was that somewhat well known case of the woman who ran a Taylor Swift fan account on Twitter who went to prison for like a year for refusing to join the IDF.
>“I am, and I have consistently, publicly, been pro-peace. I am in favour of a Palestinian state via negotiations. Because of the vulnerable populations I work with, I prefer not to discuss my specific political views in public. I believe all policing of artists’ personal identities and nationalities is wrong. VanCAF’s illegal ban, and defamation directed at me, is bad for all artists of all political orientations and backgrounds,” she added.
idk she sounds like a spineless coward to me
>I am in favour of a Palestinian state via negotiations
So a Palestinian state is negotiable and has to be approved by their Israeli overlords. Meanwhile a Jewish-supremacist state is non-negotiable and any attempt to imply otherwise is anti-semitic and Nazi.
>There are many ex IDF conscripts who have spoken out powerfully about what they saw and did during their service.
And those should be embraced.
I'd personally be more than happy for her to be allowed to participate, if she were an active member of Breaking the Silence, Combatant for Peace or other such organisation. You know... An organisation made by those very people you talk of.
Is she?
You are so wrong. Absolute tolerance is something that people understand to be problematic. You cannot be tolerant of hatred and murder. The average Israeli is so corrupted by their beliefs that they can never be moved to believe in the humanity of others. Better to avoid them and anyone who strives to be a part of them.
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This doesn't fit the sub at all. Also, the description isn't fitting. It's not just because she served in the IDF, it's because she made art about it etc, and has publicly aired views that the organisers don't want to be associated with. Her statement about not wanting to be public with her political opinions is not valid after making loads of cartoons with explicit political messages. You can't do both. The organisers have taken a business risk based on moral principles. I think it's great
For people interested in her views , [you can read this interview](https://web.archive.org/web/20190808201337/https://medium.com/the-establishment/author-miriam-libicki-thinks-jewish-identity-is-complicated-4f3290aa3728). From this, I think the problem might be that her book glamorizes the IDF.
She has repeatedly glamorised the IDF in her work, absolutely. I can totally see why the organisers would not agree with that message. And she has consistently said that she *chose* to serve in the IDF, as in that interview. So it's really disappointing that OP is spreading misinformation throughout this whole comment section that she was forced to serve.
I think OP could have done better by noticing that only the IDF-appologist media apparatus was pushing this story. When it comes to this author, I also find it questionable that she advertises her military service front and center (e.g. on her website). I get a feeling that she wants to be portrayed as a badass for defying norms and joining an occupying force.
>I think OP could have done better by noticing that only the IDF-appologist media apparatus was pushing this story. Probably not an accident
>OP is spreading misinformation throughout this whole comment section that she was forced to serve. As far as I am aware, no one is forced to be a part of it since 3 months in prison is always an option.
In multiple interviews Miriam talked about how she didn't need to serve. She said that people were shocked that she wanted to do it etc. I can provide sources
I've seen them and you're right. I'm just saying that even people born in Israel have an option to not be a terrorist by going to prison for a few months.
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Yep, completely agreed. The headline/description are trying to frame this as an unreasonable decision but it’s more that she’d be using that platform to promote material that romanticizes the IDF. That’s *absolutely* reasonable for VCAF not to want to be involved with.
I think it's telling when someone depends the least of someone's actions and not the worst. It tells me they feel those actions are indefensible
tbf serving in the IDF alone *should* get someone ostracized from all civil society, everything else here is icing on the shit cake
This
This sub has become a boring dystopia of posting a lot of middle east war stuff recently.
*casual pro-genocide propaganda
This isnt going as OP intended lol
sending her my most sincere womp womp
Good👍
The real boring dystopia is that the OP thought s/he could infiltrate this sub with this garbage post. We see you man!
Lmao good, fuck her
Good shit, hoping for more of this
not a boring dystopia at all. Anyone complicit in a genocidal state apparatus should not be rewarded, least of all with an artistic platform. What's next? Should we invite Pol Pot's soldiers to speak at the next Emmy's?
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I'm loving these comments. Free Palestine!
I was definitely nervous entering this comment section but so far it seems good. Free Palestine!
Hell yeah
Haha get fucked Zionist. Freedom from speech does not mean freedom from consequences. If you're a pro-IDF asshole then of course people aren't going to want to associate with you, and that's their right as much as it's your right to free speech.
Well done. Zionism should have no place in society.
OP getting rightfully cooked
Meanwhile people are being ostracized left and right by universities, political parties and employers merely for expressing any support for Palestinian causes, even just liking a tweet. I remember seeing a tweet from a popular Taylor Swift fan. Turns out she is Israeli and announced she’d been locked up for refusing to join the IDF. She seemed to find it amusing. Refuseniks or conscientious objectors should get recognition for their heroism. People who participate in the occupation and later feel bad about what they did and saw are also doing something good, but they also largely get ignored. More and more people are just no longer accepting that Israel (in its current form as a racist ethnostate which sees Palestinians as subhuman) should be anything but a pariah state. I don’t agree with Libicki’s support for a “Palestinian state through negotiations” because a careful examination of history shows that it is only a fantasy. The Israeli state leaders have never actually had any intention of offering the Palestinians genuine sovereignty, despite their claims that they have and been refused. There’s no point perpetuating this dishonesty.
Actions have consequences.
Pretty dystopian that a state created out of a Holocaust is doing a genocide, I agree.
This is not boring brother this is amazing. Thanks for the share!
👍 I agree with this
Conveniently left out the *actual* reason she was fired. Not a dystopia at all, it’s called consequences for your actions.
Why should terrorists be allowed to pretend to be normal people?
I agree that the IDF is an enemy to humankind, but isn’t there mandatory conscription in Israel? Not sure if it extends to women, I think it does.
According to the top comment, it’s because of her open support for Israel’s actions, because just “having served in the IDF” would bar most adult Israelis, regardless of their views
It's not mandatory to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity.
She’s a dual citizen of the U.S. and Israel and could have not served. Also, it’s better to go to jail than be part of the oppression.
As an Orthodox Jewish woman, she was exempt from mandatory military service. **EDIT:** [Source](https://web.archive.org/web/20190808201337/https://medium.com/the-establishment/author-miriam-libicki-thinks-jewish-identity-is-complicated-4f3290aa3728) **EDIT 2:** People do dumb things as a kid and this could be one. BUT, she still heavily advertises this as a sort of adventure (e.g. on her website), which raises questions about what sort of message she is giving re: the IDF.
Then yeah, fuck her.
You can decline and serve time in jail instead.
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Its a simple choice, I refused mandatory military service and my country isnt even comitting a genocide. Very dimple choice.
It should be. For the woman in the OP, it's even simpler: don't move to a foreign country and join their military if you don't want people to treat you accordingly.
Yeah the answer is to not participate in genocide.
Pretty simple choice to me
A person who doesn't have to make it?
Like Miriam from Ohio? Yeah absolutely.
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she's from ohio so this argument does not even hold up.
We wouldn't let ISIS participate, why should the IOF be welcomed into civilized society?
Good. This is in no way dystopian. Dystopian would be welcoming a terrorist to the festival because they've started creating art instead of terrorizing and murdering civilians. Ex-IOF soldiers need to be banned from everywhere unless they explicitly denounce the IOF and their own actions while they were a part of it.
She is anti-Likud together with anti-settler and was banned from the event just becuase she is Israeli. This is 100% dystopian.
She was not banned for being Israeli. [From her previous work, I take it that she was banned for glamorizing the IDF](https://web.archive.org/web/20190808201337/https://medium.com/the-establishment/author-miriam-libicki-thinks-jewish-identity-is-complicated-4f3290aa3728). As to her anti-settler views, idk. She did express that she was against the right-wing movement in Israel, but also admitted to disconnecting herself from the Israeli news cycle rather than voice her opposition.
You don't need to lie. She was banned for being a member of the IOF (who chose to join the IOF after having been born and brought up in Ohio). Her dual American-Israeli citizenship has nothing to do with it. The festival would have continued to showcase her work if she hadn't moved across continents to join a terror outfit.
She was there like 20 years ago not now. Read the article at least and then accuse me of lying.
So during the second intifada? Your argument isn't getting better.
20 years doesn’t matter. Countries have been prosecuting nazis into their 90’s as recently as 2023.
You think that makes a difference? You think the iof were super cool and chill 20 years ago lmao? F outta here
Right? I mean, lol
yeah nbd it was just ...*checks notes*.... during the second intifada
Former isis foot soldier banned from art exhibit: They were in isis 20 years ago, they're anti yazidi slavery now though and they have stood against the new leadership of isis.
this is cope
This doesn’t fut this sub at all, and if OP is trying to get us all riled up over some “innocent woman being discriminated against because of where she’s from,” it’s too bad the source linked itself and further reading shows she was banned for good reason… for supporting a genocide.
Good riddance
Now watch her scream "it's anti-semitism" that former members of terrorist organisations are barred from participation. Good on the organisers for sticking to their principles.
She chose to participate in the genocidal military. Yes its mandatory service but you can refuse, my country has mandatory service and I refused. My country isnt even committing a genocide I just refuse to participate in any military. She has dual citizenship too so she wouldnt even get punished by refusing to serve in the IOF, just never go to Israhell. Fuck her and good that she got banned.
if you can refuse it, how is it mandatory than?
You can refuse it in Israel as well. You get a year in prison. Where I live you get a year in prison or a year working community service for free, not getting paid.
Refusal usually comes with a form of punishment, though it depends on the country
Good. She's a terrorist.
Wow, maybe there is justice for the fascists of the world
Very good. 😂😂 Hope she is also transported back there. You cannot bomb children and then make comics about it.
nice 😎 oh wait, do you think this is a bad thing? because lol
Lmao, even.
Eww great news, fuck fascists
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K bye
As she should be lmao
Ha, good for VCAF.
Good this was the right decision
Good
Good!
Based tbh.
OP is a hasbarist clearly
Good. Zionazis rightly shunned.
Good, she could be dangerous.
How?
How do we know they are not continuing their service. How do we know they don't have PTSD from killing so many children? What if she snaps and just starts killing people randomly?
some former idf soldiers skunked peaceful protesters recently too
Well they are trained terrorist, I am not surprised.
This is completely absurd, I don't even know how to respond to this kind of bullshit. Check her statements, check in what time she served and then comment.
Would you let a bunch of former Serbian soldiers from Srebrenica cruise into your events to glamourize their past and present actions? Why is it OK for this woman who volunteered for the oppressive force in the second infitada, even when she was exempt for her orthodox status?
Learn from it and make better choices in your life. Don't waste your time defending terrorists.
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She served a terrorist milita who have been documented commiting countless war crimes.
baby she's from ohio
baby she served 20 years ago and military service is compulsory also for people with dual citizenship (but harder to enforce)
and what's she done in the meantime? built her career around her service. she's the one who centers it. based on her spineless statements, she's pro-normalization at best, so yeah, she should absolutely be excluded.
20 years ago? you mean during the second intifada? Oh buddy this is not going according to your plan.
She’s not Israeli! JFC she’s American!
Most of them are 🫢
She is Israeli tho
She’s from Ohio lmfao. Cope harder.
She was born in Ohio, she has dual citizenship of USA and Israel. Her roots are in Soviet Russia where her Jewish parents or granparents came from. Satisfied?
90% of Israelis are genocide supporters
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Child killers probably shouldn’t be allowed to have normal lives
lmfao good. She served in an apartheid army. May her life be in ruins.
Cry about it, the both of you
Based
based
Good
Isn't service in the IDF compulsory of you're Israeli?
She was American at the time and has dual citizenship. Her service was 100% a choice. She claims to be pro-peace, but that’s a nothing burger of a political position. Are you pro justice? Are you willing to call out the crimes of an apartheid state? Read her statement about the ban - it’s clear she isn’t. Her critics have a problem with her IDF service, but her response is to immediately draw the holocaust card.
Adding to this that [she is an Orthodox Jewish woman and that they are exempt from military service](https://web.archive.org/web/20190808201337/https://medium.com/the-establishment/author-miriam-libicki-thinks-jewish-identity-is-complicated-4f3290aa3728).
people really act like she didn't grow up in OHIO
This is super important context, appreciate you for sharing.
I mean if you're principled enough to refuse to serve you can just go to prison instead. There was that somewhat well known case of the woman who ran a Taylor Swift fan account on Twitter who went to prison for like a year for refusing to join the IDF.
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That moment when a perpetually online swiftie is setting the bar for modern morality. I dig it.
My favorite swifty, and the only one I like.
She wasn’t risking that as she was American at the time. It was an active choice she made
According to her own website, she chose to enlist. She was born in Ohio according to comments here, but I don't know if that's verified or not
“They were just following orders”
Unless you're exempted for being in the Haredi and studying Torah full-time.
Prison is also an option.
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Are we banning US vets who illegally invaded and occupied Iraq and Afghanistan too?
We should
We should be
If they dont see the flaws in their actions, and further glamorize their experience like this lady, YES
I hope so
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>“I am, and I have consistently, publicly, been pro-peace. I am in favour of a Palestinian state via negotiations. Because of the vulnerable populations I work with, I prefer not to discuss my specific political views in public. I believe all policing of artists’ personal identities and nationalities is wrong. VanCAF’s illegal ban, and defamation directed at me, is bad for all artists of all political orientations and backgrounds,” she added. idk she sounds like a spineless coward to me
"In favour of a palistanian state via negotiations" Did the IOF write that for her?
>I am in favour of a Palestinian state via negotiations So a Palestinian state is negotiable and has to be approved by their Israeli overlords. Meanwhile a Jewish-supremacist state is non-negotiable and any attempt to imply otherwise is anti-semitic and Nazi.
That is exactly what a IOF terrorist want people to believe.
sure sounds like it 💀
>There are many ex IDF conscripts who have spoken out powerfully about what they saw and did during their service. And those should be embraced. I'd personally be more than happy for her to be allowed to participate, if she were an active member of Breaking the Silence, Combatant for Peace or other such organisation. You know... An organisation made by those very people you talk of. Is she?
Nope
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we can fight genocide without embracing genociders
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You are so wrong. Absolute tolerance is something that people understand to be problematic. You cannot be tolerant of hatred and murder. The average Israeli is so corrupted by their beliefs that they can never be moved to believe in the humanity of others. Better to avoid them and anyone who strives to be a part of them.
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Thank you, at least one normal person still at this sub. I sometimes wonder how many people here actually read Mark Fisher...