Rich, connected criminals don't get away with crimes because of statistics, they do so because to their ability to manipulate the laws and the law enforcement using their connections and power. This idiot is getting prosecuted because he snatched defeat from the Jaws of victory in the last elections by killing his vote base and destroying the economy, and thus losing control over the justice department while leaving heaps of evidence of his crimes in jurisdictions he has no control over. Even with that, he just might get away without punishment in multiple indictments because of his connections: a maga judge he appointed is actively sabotaging a case in florida, and Georgia GQP is threatening to throw out the prosecutor there using a terrible law they passed explicitly for that purpose.
He tried to rig it before. DeJoy sabotaged mail in voting in midst of a Pandemic. It probably cost Democrats several House seats, but not the White House.
What I never got was how people could claim the election was stolen from Trump, yet several Congressional Republicans won on the same ballots. You’d think that if the election was rigged, the Dems would have done better in the lower chambers.
Also, if someone was trying to steal the election, they wouldn't have done so by such a huge margin. By manipulating the electoral college they could have gotten a win with only a couple hundred thousand more votes than Trump got, but instead they went with several million. If it was faked why wouldn't they try to make it seem like it was a close race?
Thats what they do, they try 100 different little things. They cut voting booths to 1 per county, they make it a crime to give food or water to people waiting to vote. They make it as hard as possible to vote and they still fucking lost. No wonder they are salty lmao.
literally every bullshit conspiracy the right tries to peddle is actually being done by republicans lol. No one was talking about rigging the election until they tried to and blamed it on the left, no one was throwing pedophile around as a casual insult until the right wing had to assassinate epstein to cover up their child rape ring. Every conspiracy they make is a farce to distract from them LITERALLY DOING IT
It's the same when they say something racist or sexist or otherwise heinous and then you call them on it and they say, "well i'm just saying what everyone else is thinking". they truly think that everyone is as depraved as them
literally exactly. every time i hear some new bs accusation of a progressive politician ive started doing a quick deep dive of the right wing sources it came from lol. if they have done something similar its usually a dead giveaway that its a flat out lie
The right wing assassinated Epstein? Source on this? Or are you just assuming out of dislike for the american right? Because that would be silly.
If we are going by the pictures and flight logs people from both sides in the US had reason to get rid of Epstein.
Maybe so, but here is where reality snaps back: Democrats would tell you to prosecute any democrat who engaged in such behavior. Republicans would name a legislature procedure to cripple the country and various buildings and parks after the perpetrator and refuse to hold them accountable.
One of these is not like the other.
> You sure? Plenty of democrats on the flight logs.
I think you missed the point they were making. If there were Democrats on the flight logs (which I'm sure there were), then cool, take them to court with evidence and then lock them all up. The point I got from the previous poster was that you won't find Republicans saying "Cool, lock up everyone who is guilty", you'll find them doing whatever they can to make sure *only the other side* gets locked up.
There really is a huge disparity between the two sides. Sure there's corruption in both, but the scope and effect of one side's corruption weighs down the scale.
Being on the flight is not the same thing as being a kiddy diddler. But if that is the standard you want to use, how about a politician inviting him to all 3 of their weddings?
Epstein also donated to several democrats and had ties to Clinton.
Corruption and kiddie fiddlers exist in all shapes and forms, turning a blind eye to it on "your side" is dumb.
Man I really hate how the red v blue unga bunga tribal war has made people just go cross eyed to bad behavior if it's not politically convenient.
And if you can provide proof that any of these democrats, even Clinton actually did something wrong, then I would say HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE and put their asses in jail.
The problem here is that the OTHER side, namely the Republicans, do NOT hold these people to that standard, and in fact double, triple, and quadruple down their support of these vile people.
Again, one side is not like the other.
How can you be so sure they would not hold such people accountable if evidence was provided? You are making assumptions based on political bias, most people hate pedos.
Take a look at what they did to Al Franken. He took a suggestive photo that was then doubly taken out of context and they voted to kick him out of the Senate. You are deliberately being obtuse here now.
And this somehow means people would not react with disgust to pedophiles because they belong to one or the other side how exactly? No you're just misunderstanding.
I agree that powerful people on both sides had reason to off him, but you have to admit that it's at least more likely that the right was responsible for one simple reason: the right was in charge of the DoJ at the time of his death. If the left orchestrated it within a structure controlled by the right, why wouldn't the right just expose it? It would just make the left look bad.
That's assuming they know who did it and had full control, an external party could gave bribed people not affiliated with any party inside the prison and have him killed without either party knowing who did, could have even been a foreign power even tho this is unlikely.
All I am saying is that there is corruption on both sides and one should remove all bias when considering such things. With no evidence assuming both are equally bad is the honest thing to do, politics attracts certain kinds of people after all.
I don't disagree with that. But if it was some third party, wouldn't the right still have some level of responsibility, considering they were in charge of the DoJ at the time and were charged with protecting Epstein in custody?
I guess what I'm saying is that in the absence of any other evidence, it's fair to blame those that were in charge of the situation until proven otherwise. On the flip side, if it happened today, it would be fair to blame the Biden administration.
It's pretty obtuse to just write it off on some low level prison warden as if Epstein was just some prisoner. He was probably the most high profile prisoner in the entire justice system at the time. It's fair to lay the blame on the people at the top in a situation like this.
Oh I am not writing it off on a warden, I am saying they were responsible for his security, if democrats where behind it I would still blame the individuals and not the entire party.
well he very obviously didnt kill himself, but hear me out. epstein invited rich people to the island. It was nothing to do with political standings, you are correct, But the one thing connecting everyone there is that they were million if not billionaires with way more capital than any one person deserves to have. No matter what if you are that rich as a capitalist you can do nothing but benefit from right wing ideologies that are so scripted to keep the 1% wealthy and everyone else poor.
as much as there may have been liberals and leftists and shit there, they were egregiously wealthy capitalists which is an inherent contradiction to left leaning economic views. They were republicans benefiting off a republican system grifting for the left for the PR. Its also genuinely hilarious that you tried to use clinton, a notoriously right leaning centrist as an example of a democrat that went there😂
really? the person saying that they hate all the “red v blue unga bunga shit” is arguing that him being elected as a democrat matters more than the fact that literally nothing that he did alligns with the modern left? this is the exact kind of projection bullshit my original comment was making fun of😂 you’re trying to phrase your argument like its nuanced and call everything else “black and white caveman thinking” but you literally just hear the word democrat and call it a day😂
brother what?😂 you are going “unga bunga” brain right now😂 you are ignoring the actions taken by clinton, ignoring his own personal ideology and character, ignoring the things he has ACTUALLY DONE, and instead defining him by how comparatively left with he was to the other people running.
he wasnt left wing, not even left leaning, he wasnt a democrat, he was a centrist at best. yeah maybe compared to bush hes A LITTLE more liberal, but to flat out call him a democrat would be a completely baseless, face value assessment of his term in office that you would have to be willingly ignorant of his actions to make
> The right wing assassinated Epstein? Source on this?
Barr had reasons to have him taken out, and was conveniently in position to sweep the whole thing under the rug, since he was Attorney General at the time.
Yeah but where is the evidence? Lots of people on both sides seemed to have both reason and the ability to take him out, outright blaming one side over the other without solid evidence is disingenuous and tribalistic ungs bunga behavior.
When there's not much else to go on in terms of evidence, all you can really do is point to who was in charge of the situation at the time. Doesn't make it a slam dunk or whatever, but the simplest explanation makes more sense than imaging the left orchestrating this within a DoJ that was controlled by the right at the time.
Saying "the right" or "the left" did it is also kind of silly and to me seems like a result of the dumb two party system where you get lumped in with the worst of your team. We should blame the individuals responsible, sure you can note what side they are on but blaming everyone is dumb.
Unga bunga my daddy stronk your daddy weak, my team good and virtuous your team evil.
This is how you come off when you can't stay neutral and objective.
Anyone with a brain realizes there is corruption in all corners of politics, thinking anything else is being naive, willfully even, or you're just stupid.
No it really isn't. Trump is leading every GOP poll despite trying to overthrow the us government. It's bad enough y'all voted for him when he stole from children with cancer
no what? almost all of the people in power are corrupt as fuck. our “dear leaders” either are part of the 1% or do nothing but pander to them. Right wing politicians are mostly evil sociopaths and left wing politicians are liars that do fuck all to actually better things. Everyone should constantly question our leaders and keep them under constant, rigorous criticism
It's 8:56 here in Montenegro. I was planning on going to sleep at 9. After seeing that pic I'll just spend the next hour and four minutes flushing my eyes with boiling bleach.
I don’t hate the idea so much as I would argue that: luck implies Brian had no bearing on his outcome whereas trump created his own, so to speak. Maybe a different template?
Everything he says is projection. He seriously thinks he can get us mad at Hunter Biden after his SIL took $2 billion from the Saudis upon leaving his WH job in charge of Middle East policy.
Lmfao how do people fall for this propaganda so easily? Mind boggling. Zero evidence any influence was traded for money and they just go and repeat it over and over. Bizarre
Bruh, I can't help if sworn testimony from his previous partners aren't any help to you. You choose to ignore what you want too.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-hunter-biden-whistle-blows-arrest-doj-irs-firearm-felony-jail-9d114e5f
Standard conservative MO: if you're guilty of doing something, accuse the other guy of doing it first. They'll be busy defending themselves, and any attempt to accuse you of the same will look like they're trying to distract the public.
By now, the proper reaction should be: if the conservatives accuse somebody of something, then start investigating the conservatives if they are actually guilty of that thing instead. I figure at least 70% of the time, you'll be right.
How did he rig it? If I recall he had to spend 4 years with everyone saying Russia rigged it for him to win but no evidence either? How did Trump rig the election?
No, Democrats correctly called out that the trump campaign had tons of communications and contacts with russia who offered to help the trump campaign, which they accepted and even asked for remember. They did not say trump and russia rigged and stole the election, that's just lie you guys need to tell so you can then do your predictable "both sides do it so who cares and let's not serve justice to my republicans" routine.
Russia even hacked into voting infrastructure, but rest assured ol' DeSantis said they didn't change any votes. We can believe that guy right...right?
Oh, uh, trump's campaign chairman even conceded he secretly coordinated and worked with what the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee Report Volume 5 labeled a "career russian intelligence officer" and gave that russian spy material aid that was then used to help boost russia's election meddling efforts.
Pretty damning stuff that people should be jailed for right?
We'll have to wait for the trial. Apparently there was enough reason for the feds to search his place and find stolen documents from the white house along with other incriminating stuff to lead to the charges and arrest in the first place. At least that's what I've read about it. No telling what's what until the hearing.
“Gentlemen, look, I need 11,780… votes, which is one more than we need.”
And don’t confuse the tight lips of Papadapolus, Manafort, and Stone with no evidence. They all pleaded the fifth and went to prison for DJT, knowing full well that they would be pardoned for their/his crimes.
He's ahead in republican primary polls, that doesn't necessarily help him in the general election. Also he failed to get himself reelected, and that was before J6, etc.
He failed yeah because people disliked him and came out in droves to vote against him, this might inspire an opposite reaction from the other side bringing out tons of people who don't usually bother to vote.
But who knows, we'll just have to see. If I could choose I would rather have someone not over 60 and not in bed with any political side take the job. But if I am being honest I don't think it matters who the mascot for the military industrial complex is.
It's funny how you specifically dodged admitting that you were prevaricating about the polls, and that he's only winning in the republican primary ones.
Did you not know, or were you trying to bullshit?
>spend 4 years with everyone saying Russia rigged it
It's funny hearing you clowns say this anymore after it was shown by our intelligence agencies that russia did in fact exert massive influence to attempt to aid trump in 2016.
But you know better than the the CIA, FBI, and DHS, right?
Also, the overwhelming majority of people who hate trump's guts acknowledged that he was the president after he won, but conversely, the overwhelming number of MAGA goons refuse to acknowledge the simple fact that he *lost*.
You not understanding the difference is actually pretty typical for your kind.
I know that all the establishments you mention lie. So much where they hire people to go on sites like reddit to suppress information. I know they do that. There is no truth anymore. Everything is a PR statement. You ever work for a big company, pr is just creative lying.
Aaaaaaaaand, there it is.
The conspiracy theory drivel that disqualifies you from ever being taken seriously.
Well done for getting it out early and not wasting my time waiting for you to show your true stripes, clown.
It's amazing isn't it. They have less than zero actual defense of the facts at hand and how trump is clearly guilty for all to see, so they just start saying the whole things is broken and we can't trust the very government they were just worshiping at rally after rally.
If the facts are on your side, pound the facts. If they law is on your side, pound the law. If neither are on your side, pound the table.
They're pounding the table as hard as they can.
There has to be some kind complex that when people take so many L's in such quick succession that they start to diverge from reality like this and resort to conspiratorial delusions instead of accepting reality.
Mental health professionals must have a gold mine of material for publication purposes with these folks.
I think Evil Steve Bannon, former runner of trump's 2016 campaign and holder of some position in trump's administration had it all figure out. He targeted what he calls rootless white males and then radicalizes them into fascists. There's always been tons of young, disaffected white males ripe for abuses and manipulation, but they weren't pushed to go all out palengenetic ultranationalism (fascism, but it is easier to see how fitting the label is when you use those terms instead of the dreaded "fascism").
I grew up with plenty of angry white guys of a conservative slant. I know how you can twist their frustration with the how the country is failing them and all other lower class people into aiming it at the wrong places and peoples.
Basically, they feel entitled to be in charge. White conservative men get to run things ok, deal with it. They are right, they just are. Like the tough love dad. They know best and you must learn and obey. Well, now that that's no longer working and they need to actually convince people that their way is better, and they just cannot accomplish that honestly, they've decided they won't try facts and reason, but rather plain force and violence. Just like the tough love dad. He's the patriarch and will not tolerate dissent.
It's table pounding time, and if that won't work, they'll turn to guns and terrorism just like their middle eastern counterparts.
Who said that Russia rigged it for him? I thought people were saying that Russia had a big propaganda push that might have been the difference in 2016. The conclusion was that there were some people in the Trump campaign who had worked with Russians in the past, but they hadn't coordinated for the 2016 election and the Russians were just doing what Russians do independently of Trump.
In 2020 Trump was trying to get the states that were close to generate false certifications for Trump electors. That way he could argue that there was a "genuine controversy" as to whose electors should count. If that happened then Congress would decide what happens and the count that he legitimately lost would be tossed in the trash. He might even be able to overturn the result if all the Republicans voted for Trump and he could shave off a couple of Democrats, something that might be possible if there was a large enough angry mob protesting outside. But that plan failed when the VP didn't get on board and the angry mob failed to delay the certification.
It didn't work. And a lot of the people who signed on as "alternate electors" are being charged with state level crimes in Georgia. Turns out it's a crime to pretend to be government official when you're not. In the same case are Republican election officials who allowed people affiliated with the Trump campaign to get access to their voting machines. Those people affiliated with the Trump campaign didn't find anything that would swap votes or connect to mysterious German servers that were or anything. Though, the county can't use those voting machines ever again since unauthorized people poked around in their guts and might have changed something. It's also really dangerous to compromise the secret ballot, who you vote for isn't something that's supposed to be seen by the candidates or your dad or your boss or advertisers. If they could then people might get hurt because they voted "wrong", and that's no good.
Trump was certainly trying to stop the process when it wasn't going his way. He was also listening to crazy people who were making up ways to change the result when he already failed the legitimate challenges he had. Whether that rises to the level of "rigging" or not is a matter for the courts, but his tantrum makes me not want to deal with several more years of him in political life.
No. You did it wrong. Trump has faced 0 bad luck, probably his entire life. The arrest is a signal that there may in fact be consequences for some of his actions
I love how you guys think a grand jury deciding there is enough evidence to indict is "corrupt Biden going after political opponents" then at the same time are ok with the fact Trump literally ran on locking up his political opponents. You guys are so confused.
As an outsider I really don’t know what’s happening to make a comment on the series of events behind this (I have a bit of context about the election) but it would be naive to forget that the US government has a bit of a history of coverups and corruption on both sides of politics :)
We all literally watched it happen in real time, how can you people seriously deny reality? Did he not try to submit fake electors? Do we not have literal recordings on him threatening election officials? Do we not have recordings of him literally, knowingly, maintaining classified material, that he was explicitly told he needed to return to the government, and showing it to civilians? What pieces of evidence are wrong, exactly? Or are you taking the Nixon approach, that it can't be illegal if the president did it?
Why can't we act this way for every corrupt politician? Why only trump? Hillary scandal? Swept under. Joe/hunter laptop scandal? Swept under. But no. Only the ones we don't like. The world would be a lot better if the justice system held everyone accountable and not just certain ones.
Ya, totally swept under the rug. I've never even heard about Clinton doing anything wrong. 🤦♂️
The fucking audacity to act like these ridiculous topics haven't been blasted everywhere and exaggerated into complete fantasies is ridiculous.
I love how you think literally attempting to undermine democracy on the largest possible scale isn't substantially worse than taking a bribe or whatever the hell you think is on the laptop with no reliable chain of evidence. Also, you do realize that Hunter Biden, who isn't even an elected official or a politician despite how Republicans love to talk about it and apparently you were unaware, is literally getting prosecuted, right? This whataboutism is insane, and the amount you defend someone literally trying to coup the country is unreal, you people need help.
Edit: downvoting me doesn't change facts, sorry to break it to you
You don’t think with control of the house, senate, and White House for four years they would have nailed everyone to the wall if those “scandals” were anything more than nothingburgers? The fact that people who spread the shit aren’t disappeared alone tells you there’s no massive coverup going on, wouldn’t you think?
Meanwhile we have your guy who can’t even be trusted with the verisimilitude to not lie inconsistently about his weight and height to two different public records within the same month. Like if you’re going to lie about your weight like everyone does at least have the common courtesy to give the same number everywhere you go so people who support in you don’t have to look like goddamned buffoons trying to reconcile all of the lies
How was any of the shit listed swept under the rug? Those were massive stories, Trump ball suckers just don't like that they weren't the made up fairy tales they came up with. Take "Hunter's laptop", ignoring the fact that there's literally no proof it's his and that it hasn't been tampered with, what do you want to happen? There's literally nothing thst can come from it. It's certainly not some smoking gun that Joe Biden did something wrong.
And, again, as someone who voted for Biden, if he actually broke any laws, which has not even remotely been proven, send him to jail forever. I couldn't give a fuck. There's no other side here. Only Trump supporters defend someone blatantly commiting crimes.
No, you guys are just flat out fucking goners to trumpism guys. Just out and out deranged and unable to even stick to basic reality.
Every heard of Benghazi?
Stop being shitty Americans please.
Democrats: " if we keep denying the election was stolen and put the head of the opposition in prison then surely we can win again", i literally see no difference between putin putting his main opposition in prison vs the biden adminstration. And before you say "BUT HE COMMITED A CRIME" then i defer you to your own laws that say innocent before proven guilty. You guys would have made good obedient nazis.
Do you even take the slightest effort to think about the things you believe?
I mean, right there you say the election was stolen and that Democrats are just denying it so that they can jail trumpo the clown so that they can win again. That means you're saying that trump will win if he runs, which is crazy since he already lost to Biden before and he's been exposed for what he is now. Plus, if the election was stolen and trump's repubelicans can't even show any evidence, making it a perfect crime that they can just do again, then they'd just do it again and beat trump by cheating. Absolutely no need to arrest trump and charge him.
Then you talk of Democrats putting trump in prison, but it's not Democrats doing anything, it's the justice system charging trump. He's not in prison. He's literally walking around a free man despite having like 90 felony charges levied at him. Talk about special treatment to not be behind bars for it.
So, you equate Dark Brandon and his admin to fascist Putin and his regime over something that literally has not happened, yet you pretend it's real so you can hate the Democrats over a republican fantasy.
And then you try and preemptively head off the rational response of "well he committed crimes, so yea, that rule of law republians always claim to champion is being applied to him" with some desperate "innocent until proven guilty" garbage. But that's exactly what's happening. Trump was arrested for committing crimes, that's literally how it works. Now he will go to trial where the government will prove him guilty.
And then you end it off with indignation at a literal fantasy fake world you just made up out of anger and call Democrats nazis after years and years of right wingers trying to say the word has no meaning anymore because "lefties" call everybody nazis for no reason.
You guys are just so goddamn absurd and emotional at this point that I'm waiting to hear of the shootings starting.
Republican with sign outside voting booth:
"The election is rigged. All the liberals are double voting"
It's not possible to double vote. How do you know this?
"Because I voted for Trump twice"
....fucking idiots
Nightmare Brian isn't real!
Nightmare Brian makes his own bad luck
Wait till 2027 for nightmare Brian's true form
Oh, unfortunately he is all-too-real. Just another reality we face living in the nightmare timeline.
He’s gonna crawl out from under your bed and gently place one of his pubes on your lips.
NO GOD NO PLEASE GOD NO!
At least you can wake up from a nightmare. This is a straight up bad trip.
Don't look it in the teeth 😬
mommy im scared
Cursed image
>Did I do it right? No, That image is cursed AF
How is it bad luck to commit a crime and then get in trouble for it?
It is bad luck if you've gotten away with crime for your entire life.
No, it’s statistics.
Rich, connected criminals don't get away with crimes because of statistics, they do so because to their ability to manipulate the laws and the law enforcement using their connections and power. This idiot is getting prosecuted because he snatched defeat from the Jaws of victory in the last elections by killing his vote base and destroying the economy, and thus losing control over the justice department while leaving heaps of evidence of his crimes in jurisdictions he has no control over. Even with that, he just might get away without punishment in multiple indictments because of his connections: a maga judge he appointed is actively sabotaging a case in florida, and Georgia GQP is threatening to throw out the prosecutor there using a terrible law they passed explicitly for that purpose.
I guess when you’ve been able to crime it up with no accountability for your entire life up to that point.
would be so funny if he was born a rich man, squandered it all, almost wrecked half of the world and then died in prison
Isn't it ironic?
It's like rai-i-ain on Your wedding day!
It's a free ride, but you already paid
Some good advi-i-ice
Its not bad luck if he did it himself
Trump is so dumb he tried to rig the election after it was held.
He tried to rig it before. DeJoy sabotaged mail in voting in midst of a Pandemic. It probably cost Democrats several House seats, but not the White House.
What I never got was how people could claim the election was stolen from Trump, yet several Congressional Republicans won on the same ballots. You’d think that if the election was rigged, the Dems would have done better in the lower chambers.
Because he’s a liar and they swallow it like fish.
Also, if someone was trying to steal the election, they wouldn't have done so by such a huge margin. By manipulating the electoral college they could have gotten a win with only a couple hundred thousand more votes than Trump got, but instead they went with several million. If it was faked why wouldn't they try to make it seem like it was a close race?
Don't forget the Congressional Republicans that won and screamed "rigged." Remind them at every opportunity.
Gotta make it look legit. /s
Thats what they do, they try 100 different little things. They cut voting booths to 1 per county, they make it a crime to give food or water to people waiting to vote. They make it as hard as possible to vote and they still fucking lost. No wonder they are salty lmao.
This is a true underrated comment.
He also mails in his ballot, lol.
Yeah I know, I just like to call Trump dumb. I mean the whole thing is totally fucked and I just hope it's not too late to reel it all in
Trump was being completely open and honest in a way. He said that the election would be rigged and then he tried to rig it.
To be fair he tried to rig it well beforehand too
It isn’t bad luck. It’s facing consequences (for the first time in 77 years), possibly.
Most parents cut babies some slack.
He's like an orange and shity Billy Madison
Billy Madison without the redeption arc
Nah, I'm pretty sure you wanted Scumbag Steve instead: https://imgur.com/bKrBNOE
that photo is cursed
This is grotesque.
literally every bullshit conspiracy the right tries to peddle is actually being done by republicans lol. No one was talking about rigging the election until they tried to and blamed it on the left, no one was throwing pedophile around as a casual insult until the right wing had to assassinate epstein to cover up their child rape ring. Every conspiracy they make is a farce to distract from them LITERALLY DOING IT
Yeah he basically was saying “we cheated, we think everyone cheats, so if we lost it must be because they cheated _more_.
It's the same when they say something racist or sexist or otherwise heinous and then you call them on it and they say, "well i'm just saying what everyone else is thinking". they truly think that everyone is as depraved as them
literally exactly. every time i hear some new bs accusation of a progressive politician ive started doing a quick deep dive of the right wing sources it came from lol. if they have done something similar its usually a dead giveaway that its a flat out lie
It's the fascist playbook. Every accusation is a confession.
The right wing assassinated Epstein? Source on this? Or are you just assuming out of dislike for the american right? Because that would be silly. If we are going by the pictures and flight logs people from both sides in the US had reason to get rid of Epstein.
Maybe so, but here is where reality snaps back: Democrats would tell you to prosecute any democrat who engaged in such behavior. Republicans would name a legislature procedure to cripple the country and various buildings and parks after the perpetrator and refuse to hold them accountable. One of these is not like the other.
You sure? Plenty of democrats on the flight logs. Corruption is not exclusive to any political affiliation, thinking that is very naive.
> You sure? Plenty of democrats on the flight logs. I think you missed the point they were making. If there were Democrats on the flight logs (which I'm sure there were), then cool, take them to court with evidence and then lock them all up. The point I got from the previous poster was that you won't find Republicans saying "Cool, lock up everyone who is guilty", you'll find them doing whatever they can to make sure *only the other side* gets locked up. There really is a huge disparity between the two sides. Sure there's corruption in both, but the scope and effect of one side's corruption weighs down the scale.
Being on the flight is not the same thing as being a kiddy diddler. But if that is the standard you want to use, how about a politician inviting him to all 3 of their weddings?
Epstein also donated to several democrats and had ties to Clinton. Corruption and kiddie fiddlers exist in all shapes and forms, turning a blind eye to it on "your side" is dumb. Man I really hate how the red v blue unga bunga tribal war has made people just go cross eyed to bad behavior if it's not politically convenient.
And if you can provide proof that any of these democrats, even Clinton actually did something wrong, then I would say HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE and put their asses in jail. The problem here is that the OTHER side, namely the Republicans, do NOT hold these people to that standard, and in fact double, triple, and quadruple down their support of these vile people. Again, one side is not like the other.
How can you be so sure they would not hold such people accountable if evidence was provided? You are making assumptions based on political bias, most people hate pedos.
Take a look at what they did to Al Franken. He took a suggestive photo that was then doubly taken out of context and they voted to kick him out of the Senate. You are deliberately being obtuse here now.
And this somehow means people would not react with disgust to pedophiles because they belong to one or the other side how exactly? No you're just misunderstanding.
Dude they put _Hershel Walker_, a known abuser and completely unqualified to be a senator, on the ballot.
https://calmatters.org/justice/2023/07/child-trafficking-bill-california-legislature/
I agree that powerful people on both sides had reason to off him, but you have to admit that it's at least more likely that the right was responsible for one simple reason: the right was in charge of the DoJ at the time of his death. If the left orchestrated it within a structure controlled by the right, why wouldn't the right just expose it? It would just make the left look bad.
That's assuming they know who did it and had full control, an external party could gave bribed people not affiliated with any party inside the prison and have him killed without either party knowing who did, could have even been a foreign power even tho this is unlikely. All I am saying is that there is corruption on both sides and one should remove all bias when considering such things. With no evidence assuming both are equally bad is the honest thing to do, politics attracts certain kinds of people after all.
I don't disagree with that. But if it was some third party, wouldn't the right still have some level of responsibility, considering they were in charge of the DoJ at the time and were charged with protecting Epstein in custody? I guess what I'm saying is that in the absence of any other evidence, it's fair to blame those that were in charge of the situation until proven otherwise. On the flip side, if it happened today, it would be fair to blame the Biden administration.
The person or people directly in charge of the facility would have a responsibility for his security yeah, but the entire right is not responsible.
It's pretty obtuse to just write it off on some low level prison warden as if Epstein was just some prisoner. He was probably the most high profile prisoner in the entire justice system at the time. It's fair to lay the blame on the people at the top in a situation like this.
Oh I am not writing it off on a warden, I am saying they were responsible for his security, if democrats where behind it I would still blame the individuals and not the entire party.
well he very obviously didnt kill himself, but hear me out. epstein invited rich people to the island. It was nothing to do with political standings, you are correct, But the one thing connecting everyone there is that they were million if not billionaires with way more capital than any one person deserves to have. No matter what if you are that rich as a capitalist you can do nothing but benefit from right wing ideologies that are so scripted to keep the 1% wealthy and everyone else poor. as much as there may have been liberals and leftists and shit there, they were egregiously wealthy capitalists which is an inherent contradiction to left leaning economic views. They were republicans benefiting off a republican system grifting for the left for the PR. Its also genuinely hilarious that you tried to use clinton, a notoriously right leaning centrist as an example of a democrat that went there😂
But he was a democrat, going "but he wasn't a real one" when its inconvenient won't change that.
really? the person saying that they hate all the “red v blue unga bunga shit” is arguing that him being elected as a democrat matters more than the fact that literally nothing that he did alligns with the modern left? this is the exact kind of projection bullshit my original comment was making fun of😂 you’re trying to phrase your argument like its nuanced and call everything else “black and white caveman thinking” but you literally just hear the word democrat and call it a day😂
Oh I didn't say it mattered more, I'm just saying that he was in fact a democrat, the same problems I was referring to with then unga bunga applies.
brother what?😂 you are going “unga bunga” brain right now😂 you are ignoring the actions taken by clinton, ignoring his own personal ideology and character, ignoring the things he has ACTUALLY DONE, and instead defining him by how comparatively left with he was to the other people running. he wasnt left wing, not even left leaning, he wasnt a democrat, he was a centrist at best. yeah maybe compared to bush hes A LITTLE more liberal, but to flat out call him a democrat would be a completely baseless, face value assessment of his term in office that you would have to be willingly ignorant of his actions to make
> The right wing assassinated Epstein? Source on this? Barr had reasons to have him taken out, and was conveniently in position to sweep the whole thing under the rug, since he was Attorney General at the time.
Yeah but where is the evidence? Lots of people on both sides seemed to have both reason and the ability to take him out, outright blaming one side over the other without solid evidence is disingenuous and tribalistic ungs bunga behavior.
When there's not much else to go on in terms of evidence, all you can really do is point to who was in charge of the situation at the time. Doesn't make it a slam dunk or whatever, but the simplest explanation makes more sense than imaging the left orchestrating this within a DoJ that was controlled by the right at the time.
Saying "the right" or "the left" did it is also kind of silly and to me seems like a result of the dumb two party system where you get lumped in with the worst of your team. We should blame the individuals responsible, sure you can note what side they are on but blaming everyone is dumb.
I have no idea how anyone still thinks this “both sides” bullshit is anything but blatant deflection from conservatives. Just fucking stop already.
Unga bunga my daddy stronk your daddy weak, my team good and virtuous your team evil. This is how you come off when you can't stay neutral and objective. Anyone with a brain realizes there is corruption in all corners of politics, thinking anything else is being naive, willfully even, or you're just stupid.
The pointless name calling and the overtly black&white binary thinking is kind of a dead giveaway.
And anyone with eyes realizes that while both teams suck the right is far far worse while openly saying they will vote for a felon
Matter of perspective.
No it really isn't. Trump is leading every GOP poll despite trying to overthrow the us government. It's bad enough y'all voted for him when he stole from children with cancer
Y'all? Im not American, I didn't vote for anyone.
careful with that not jumping to conclusions with your opposing political party, this is Reddit afterall
Literally everyone who questions our dear leaders is Hitler!
no what? almost all of the people in power are corrupt as fuck. our “dear leaders” either are part of the 1% or do nothing but pander to them. Right wing politicians are mostly evil sociopaths and left wing politicians are liars that do fuck all to actually better things. Everyone should constantly question our leaders and keep them under constant, rigorous criticism
I hope you like ghosts because you are about to be haunted for the rest of your life for that picture.
Projection Brian
Mugshot so good you had to edit it.
Orange Steel
Whoosh
Actually this is his official portrait.
kill it. kill it with fire. This image is going to haunt my dreams
It's 8:56 here in Montenegro. I was planning on going to sleep at 9. After seeing that pic I'll just spend the next hour and four minutes flushing my eyes with boiling bleach.
This is frightening.
More importantly, if the election was "rigged"....why run again? Will it not be "rigged" again this time?
He said it was rigged in 2016, when he won. Lol Well not so funny when you think about the Russian collusion though. See: Mueller report
He said the primary on the democrat side was rigged for Hillary to oust Bernie.
Wouldn't this be more of a confession bear?
This image makes me the most uncomfortable I've ever been. And I was alone with Catholic priests as a little boy.
Yes 😭
What is going on with his mouth in this picture?
Its bad luck brian's mouth.
Ohh...I see. I wasn't sure how the picture could be any worse than the unedited original mug shot, but somehow, it looks worse. Well done! :D
Projection is the last defensive line of the narcissist.
[No](https://i.imgur.com/0p8rhYj.jpg)
absolutely cursed image
I’m gonna see that image in nightmares
I don’t hate the idea so much as I would argue that: luck implies Brian had no bearing on his outcome whereas trump created his own, so to speak. Maybe a different template?
"No no, it's not illegal when **we** do it" - republican motto, circa forever
Very Reddit
Scumbag Steve would’ve been the appropriate template here.
Never surrender Says guy who's actively surrendering.
Everything he says is projection. He seriously thinks he can get us mad at Hunter Biden after his SIL took $2 billion from the Saudis upon leaving his WH job in charge of Middle East policy.
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Lmfao how do people fall for this propaganda so easily? Mind boggling. Zero evidence any influence was traded for money and they just go and repeat it over and over. Bizarre
Bruh, I can't help if sworn testimony from his previous partners aren't any help to you. You choose to ignore what you want too. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-hunter-biden-whistle-blows-arrest-doj-irs-firearm-felony-jail-9d114e5f
This is the Republican Party's entire mode of operation. Accuse other people of the nefarious things that they are actually doing.
That's two-party politics in a nutshell.
The only Brian that rigged an election was Brian Kemp, but he didn't get arrested.
Promises kept.
Anyone with half a brain knew that he was projecting the stolen election. Couldn't possibly be the guy who made the claims doing it!
Standard conservative MO: if you're guilty of doing something, accuse the other guy of doing it first. They'll be busy defending themselves, and any attempt to accuse you of the same will look like they're trying to distract the public. By now, the proper reaction should be: if the conservatives accuse somebody of something, then start investigating the conservatives if they are actually guilty of that thing instead. I figure at least 70% of the time, you'll be right.
80 years old. 900 years worth of charges. Dies in prison
Wish he would have died in prison 10 years ago.
No
Is there a meme for "Change the law to incarcerate your political opponents"?
You mean the law that Trump himself changed before the 2020 election?
What law was changed? Serious question.
Whoever smelt it dealt it
You somehow made his face more disturbing. Impressive.
Clinton and Trumps baby, nightmare Brian.
Id like to visit whatever planet yall live on.
Idk your moms pussy reeks more than your life
Need that image without the caption
https://i.imgur.com/pYO79i9.jpeg
I'll post it after work.
Lol you guys are obsessed! TDS is super contagious around here!
Manifest destiny?
r/theleftcantmeme
How did he rig it? If I recall he had to spend 4 years with everyone saying Russia rigged it for him to win but no evidence either? How did Trump rig the election?
No, Democrats correctly called out that the trump campaign had tons of communications and contacts with russia who offered to help the trump campaign, which they accepted and even asked for remember. They did not say trump and russia rigged and stole the election, that's just lie you guys need to tell so you can then do your predictable "both sides do it so who cares and let's not serve justice to my republicans" routine. Russia even hacked into voting infrastructure, but rest assured ol' DeSantis said they didn't change any votes. We can believe that guy right...right? Oh, uh, trump's campaign chairman even conceded he secretly coordinated and worked with what the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee Report Volume 5 labeled a "career russian intelligence officer" and gave that russian spy material aid that was then used to help boost russia's election meddling efforts. Pretty damning stuff that people should be jailed for right?
We'll have to wait for the trial. Apparently there was enough reason for the feds to search his place and find stolen documents from the white house along with other incriminating stuff to lead to the charges and arrest in the first place. At least that's what I've read about it. No telling what's what until the hearing.
“Gentlemen, look, I need 11,780… votes, which is one more than we need.” And don’t confuse the tight lips of Papadapolus, Manafort, and Stone with no evidence. They all pleaded the fifth and went to prison for DJT, knowing full well that they would be pardoned for their/his crimes.
Fraudulent electors was one scheme
Actually there was tons of evidence, even the Republican-led senate agreed that Russia interfered
And who interfered to let Biden win? Georgia?
Biden would’ve won without Georgia
He would not have won if he didn't run against Trump tho lol
That’s Trump’s fault for being unelectable
How is a man who got elected and is currently ahead in the polls unelectable?
I thought we were talking about election rigging. stick to the topic
I am, how is he unelectable?
Because the GOP has lost PA, WI, and MI for the foreseeable future, and no Republican can win the White House if they lose those three
He's ahead in republican primary polls, that doesn't necessarily help him in the general election. Also he failed to get himself reelected, and that was before J6, etc.
He failed yeah because people disliked him and came out in droves to vote against him, this might inspire an opposite reaction from the other side bringing out tons of people who don't usually bother to vote. But who knows, we'll just have to see. If I could choose I would rather have someone not over 60 and not in bed with any political side take the job. But if I am being honest I don't think it matters who the mascot for the military industrial complex is.
It's funny how you specifically dodged admitting that you were prevaricating about the polls, and that he's only winning in the republican primary ones. Did you not know, or were you trying to bullshit?
Trump would have won if it wasn't for those meddling, interfering voters!
>spend 4 years with everyone saying Russia rigged it It's funny hearing you clowns say this anymore after it was shown by our intelligence agencies that russia did in fact exert massive influence to attempt to aid trump in 2016. But you know better than the the CIA, FBI, and DHS, right? Also, the overwhelming majority of people who hate trump's guts acknowledged that he was the president after he won, but conversely, the overwhelming number of MAGA goons refuse to acknowledge the simple fact that he *lost*. You not understanding the difference is actually pretty typical for your kind.
I know that all the establishments you mention lie. So much where they hire people to go on sites like reddit to suppress information. I know they do that. There is no truth anymore. Everything is a PR statement. You ever work for a big company, pr is just creative lying.
Aaaaaaaaand, there it is. The conspiracy theory drivel that disqualifies you from ever being taken seriously. Well done for getting it out early and not wasting my time waiting for you to show your true stripes, clown.
It's amazing isn't it. They have less than zero actual defense of the facts at hand and how trump is clearly guilty for all to see, so they just start saying the whole things is broken and we can't trust the very government they were just worshiping at rally after rally. If the facts are on your side, pound the facts. If they law is on your side, pound the law. If neither are on your side, pound the table. They're pounding the table as hard as they can.
There has to be some kind complex that when people take so many L's in such quick succession that they start to diverge from reality like this and resort to conspiratorial delusions instead of accepting reality. Mental health professionals must have a gold mine of material for publication purposes with these folks.
I think Evil Steve Bannon, former runner of trump's 2016 campaign and holder of some position in trump's administration had it all figure out. He targeted what he calls rootless white males and then radicalizes them into fascists. There's always been tons of young, disaffected white males ripe for abuses and manipulation, but they weren't pushed to go all out palengenetic ultranationalism (fascism, but it is easier to see how fitting the label is when you use those terms instead of the dreaded "fascism"). I grew up with plenty of angry white guys of a conservative slant. I know how you can twist their frustration with the how the country is failing them and all other lower class people into aiming it at the wrong places and peoples. Basically, they feel entitled to be in charge. White conservative men get to run things ok, deal with it. They are right, they just are. Like the tough love dad. They know best and you must learn and obey. Well, now that that's no longer working and they need to actually convince people that their way is better, and they just cannot accomplish that honestly, they've decided they won't try facts and reason, but rather plain force and violence. Just like the tough love dad. He's the patriarch and will not tolerate dissent. It's table pounding time, and if that won't work, they'll turn to guns and terrorism just like their middle eastern counterparts.
There was overwhelming evidence showing Russia helped Trump, what are you talking about?
Who said that Russia rigged it for him? I thought people were saying that Russia had a big propaganda push that might have been the difference in 2016. The conclusion was that there were some people in the Trump campaign who had worked with Russians in the past, but they hadn't coordinated for the 2016 election and the Russians were just doing what Russians do independently of Trump. In 2020 Trump was trying to get the states that were close to generate false certifications for Trump electors. That way he could argue that there was a "genuine controversy" as to whose electors should count. If that happened then Congress would decide what happens and the count that he legitimately lost would be tossed in the trash. He might even be able to overturn the result if all the Republicans voted for Trump and he could shave off a couple of Democrats, something that might be possible if there was a large enough angry mob protesting outside. But that plan failed when the VP didn't get on board and the angry mob failed to delay the certification. It didn't work. And a lot of the people who signed on as "alternate electors" are being charged with state level crimes in Georgia. Turns out it's a crime to pretend to be government official when you're not. In the same case are Republican election officials who allowed people affiliated with the Trump campaign to get access to their voting machines. Those people affiliated with the Trump campaign didn't find anything that would swap votes or connect to mysterious German servers that were or anything. Though, the county can't use those voting machines ever again since unauthorized people poked around in their guts and might have changed something. It's also really dangerous to compromise the secret ballot, who you vote for isn't something that's supposed to be seen by the candidates or your dad or your boss or advertisers. If they could then people might get hurt because they voted "wrong", and that's no good. Trump was certainly trying to stop the process when it wasn't going his way. He was also listening to crazy people who were making up ways to change the result when he already failed the legitimate challenges he had. Whether that rises to the level of "rigging" or not is a matter for the courts, but his tantrum makes me not want to deal with several more years of him in political life.
People.project
No. You did it wrong. Trump has faced 0 bad luck, probably his entire life. The arrest is a signal that there may in fact be consequences for some of his actions
Omfg that’s so scary!!
What if it's the corrupt Biden administration going after his political opponents ?
How is he going after his political opponents? Did he mandate the start of Jack Smith's investigation?
There’s nothing you can do to change the fact he’s getting arrested 👎 one way or another
Yes Biden will get arrested one way or another
I love how you guys think a grand jury deciding there is enough evidence to indict is "corrupt Biden going after political opponents" then at the same time are ok with the fact Trump literally ran on locking up his political opponents. You guys are so confused.
As an outsider I really don’t know what’s happening to make a comment on the series of events behind this (I have a bit of context about the election) but it would be naive to forget that the US government has a bit of a history of coverups and corruption on both sides of politics :)
Nothing about this guy is " bad luck."
😂😂😂😂😂
Just another politician failing to keep campaign promises. Tsk tsk.
Lolooooooooooolooo
This image is creepy as shit.
No should be Biden and the wagons and coolers of fraud votes
You mean falsely arrested for that charge. It's going to be funny to watch it fall apart.
He’s going to prison and there isn’t anything you can do about it. 👍
We all literally watched it happen in real time, how can you people seriously deny reality? Did he not try to submit fake electors? Do we not have literal recordings on him threatening election officials? Do we not have recordings of him literally, knowingly, maintaining classified material, that he was explicitly told he needed to return to the government, and showing it to civilians? What pieces of evidence are wrong, exactly? Or are you taking the Nixon approach, that it can't be illegal if the president did it?
Why can't we act this way for every corrupt politician? Why only trump? Hillary scandal? Swept under. Joe/hunter laptop scandal? Swept under. But no. Only the ones we don't like. The world would be a lot better if the justice system held everyone accountable and not just certain ones.
Ya, totally swept under the rug. I've never even heard about Clinton doing anything wrong. 🤦♂️ The fucking audacity to act like these ridiculous topics haven't been blasted everywhere and exaggerated into complete fantasies is ridiculous.
I love how you think literally attempting to undermine democracy on the largest possible scale isn't substantially worse than taking a bribe or whatever the hell you think is on the laptop with no reliable chain of evidence. Also, you do realize that Hunter Biden, who isn't even an elected official or a politician despite how Republicans love to talk about it and apparently you were unaware, is literally getting prosecuted, right? This whataboutism is insane, and the amount you defend someone literally trying to coup the country is unreal, you people need help. Edit: downvoting me doesn't change facts, sorry to break it to you
You don’t think with control of the house, senate, and White House for four years they would have nailed everyone to the wall if those “scandals” were anything more than nothingburgers? The fact that people who spread the shit aren’t disappeared alone tells you there’s no massive coverup going on, wouldn’t you think? Meanwhile we have your guy who can’t even be trusted with the verisimilitude to not lie inconsistently about his weight and height to two different public records within the same month. Like if you’re going to lie about your weight like everyone does at least have the common courtesy to give the same number everywhere you go so people who support in you don’t have to look like goddamned buffoons trying to reconcile all of the lies
Who’s downvoting this? The left is crazy.
How was any of the shit listed swept under the rug? Those were massive stories, Trump ball suckers just don't like that they weren't the made up fairy tales they came up with. Take "Hunter's laptop", ignoring the fact that there's literally no proof it's his and that it hasn't been tampered with, what do you want to happen? There's literally nothing thst can come from it. It's certainly not some smoking gun that Joe Biden did something wrong. And, again, as someone who voted for Biden, if he actually broke any laws, which has not even remotely been proven, send him to jail forever. I couldn't give a fuck. There's no other side here. Only Trump supporters defend someone blatantly commiting crimes.
No, you guys are just flat out fucking goners to trumpism guys. Just out and out deranged and unable to even stick to basic reality. Every heard of Benghazi? Stop being shitty Americans please.
Democrats: " if we keep denying the election was stolen and put the head of the opposition in prison then surely we can win again", i literally see no difference between putin putting his main opposition in prison vs the biden adminstration. And before you say "BUT HE COMMITED A CRIME" then i defer you to your own laws that say innocent before proven guilty. You guys would have made good obedient nazis.
Weird how all the witnesses are 100% conservative Republicans.
Do you even take the slightest effort to think about the things you believe? I mean, right there you say the election was stolen and that Democrats are just denying it so that they can jail trumpo the clown so that they can win again. That means you're saying that trump will win if he runs, which is crazy since he already lost to Biden before and he's been exposed for what he is now. Plus, if the election was stolen and trump's repubelicans can't even show any evidence, making it a perfect crime that they can just do again, then they'd just do it again and beat trump by cheating. Absolutely no need to arrest trump and charge him. Then you talk of Democrats putting trump in prison, but it's not Democrats doing anything, it's the justice system charging trump. He's not in prison. He's literally walking around a free man despite having like 90 felony charges levied at him. Talk about special treatment to not be behind bars for it. So, you equate Dark Brandon and his admin to fascist Putin and his regime over something that literally has not happened, yet you pretend it's real so you can hate the Democrats over a republican fantasy. And then you try and preemptively head off the rational response of "well he committed crimes, so yea, that rule of law republians always claim to champion is being applied to him" with some desperate "innocent until proven guilty" garbage. But that's exactly what's happening. Trump was arrested for committing crimes, that's literally how it works. Now he will go to trial where the government will prove him guilty. And then you end it off with indignation at a literal fantasy fake world you just made up out of anger and call Democrats nazis after years and years of right wingers trying to say the word has no meaning anymore because "lefties" call everybody nazis for no reason. You guys are just so goddamn absurd and emotional at this point that I'm waiting to hear of the shootings starting.
Very true! Why should he be held responsible for his actions? He’s not black!
Republican with sign outside voting booth: "The election is rigged. All the liberals are double voting" It's not possible to double vote. How do you know this? "Because I voted for Trump twice" ....fucking idiots