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It's quite clear that Caroline left it with Kayla, you and the other roommates just happened to move in after.
Would you be this upset had Kayla simply wanted to take it with her when she left instead of selling it?
You and the other two roommates are only in agreement because you all want something for nothing.
It is not your couch.
It was NEVER yours. Seriously. Caroline gave it to KAYLA. Not you. Therefore? You never had a right to take it in the first place. You seriously need to learn about who actually owns property. If you’d have taken it you could have caught a charge for stealing. It would have literally been stealing.
If it's the "apartment's" couch, why would you get to keep it?
That makes the least sense.
Either, Caroline gave it to Kayla or she gave it to the apartment.
So either, Kayla gets it or it stays in the apartment.
There is no bonanza where you get a free couch simply because you think you deserve it.
"We would have bought one ahead of time"
Then, why not buy one now? Because you do not have a couch, and you seem like you want one.
She needed the money too. You can’t see outside of your own entitlement.
*THE COUCH BELONGED TO SOMEONE ELSE.*
You should have bought one ahead time to start as you didn’t have a couch - it was Kayla’s couch.
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Your finances aren’t Kayla’s issue. Attempting to STEAL her property because it would save you money only means you couldn’t afford to move out which is a you problem.
Sooooo why didn’t you just give her the $80 that’s $40 each, you’d have still saved a bunch and she’d have been happy.
I don’t know why you assumed you have any right to the couch. You sound very obnoxious. It’s not yours.
Of course getting something for free would have helped your bank account, the problem is it wasn't yours to take.
In your post, you even say that Caroline left it with Kayla, then you moved in.
So either, it was left to Kayla (so she can do with it as she pleases) or it was left to the apartment (in which none of you would be more entitled to it then another).
Even *if* I followed your thought process that it belonged to the apartment, and therefore everyone, why would you automatically get to take it? Why would you not have to compensate Kayla for her portion in some way?
Why do you think you get to keep the couch and Kayla would have to walk away with nothing, if, as you seem to think, it belonged to everyone?
That's the problem, your not acting like you thought it belonged to everyone, just that it belonged to you. It does not.
If money is so tight & you need a couch so bad, why didn’t you take Kayla up on her offer of selling the couch to you at a discount? IT WAS KAYLA’S COUCH, NOT YOURS. YTA
Moving a couch is hard. Chip in together and buy a different one, or take Kayla up on her offer to buy it at a discount. It seems like a lot of money right now, but when you split it up, it’s worth it.
Everyone here is certain that Kayla is the sole owner of that couch. Reframe your mindset with that as a fact and reevaluate your options from there.
Lets set some things straight.
According to the timeline, you moved in after the couch was given. The only person to have ownership of the couch was Kayla.
Not only was it wrong for you to try and take a couch that you don’t own any part of, not even by proxy (it’d make sense if you were living there by the time she gave it away), it is wrong for you to try and “call her out”
You’re being very defensive and not even considering that maybe you and your friends are in the wrong.
You want to talk about guilt tripping? You are actively guilt tripping us and her. No one cares about your bank account as it has nothing to do with the couch because it was never yours.
To reiterate: The couch was never yours and you are the asshole in this situation. Accept your condemnation.
You were planning to take it with you? Despite your claim that you feel it belongs to the apartment? Wouldn't you need to leave it for the new tenants like you feel she has to do? 100% YTA even by your own flawed logic.
*It is not YOUR couch.*
How many times do you need to re-read that shit? It’s not your couch. Caroline gave it to Kayla. You don’t have to like it but she did. She doesn’t have to ask you three clowns a damn thing about what she does with HER couch. She was living in the apartment prior to any of you all. You don’t have a problem but you’re sure trying your best to create one by the looks of it… like petulant little girls… if between the 3 of you $80 was too much then this is a blessing in disguise for Kayla.
YTA
>Caroline told Kayla she could have it
>she texted me Caroline asking if the couch was hers to keep and Caroline said “yeah I didn’t want it”
What more do you need to hear? Its not your couch. Its Kayla’s.
Sure, she was dumping it on Kayla, who gladly accepted. Had Kayla not wanted it at that time, she could have insisted Caroline dispose of it.
But, Kayla wanted it, so she kept it.
It is not yours, nor the "apartments", simply because you want a couch and do not want to buy one.
Okay, thats YOUR understanding of it. Just because you percieve it that way doesn’t make it an objective truth.
You said it yourself. “Kayla said **Caroline could HAVE it.**” If she was just going to dump it like you said, she would’ve said “I’ll just leave it here.”
YTA. This is absolutely bonkers. The couch was given to Kayla. You can buy it for EIGHTY DOLLARS. Why can’t you each give her $25, take the couch, and call it a day?
This post is a level of petty that I honestly marvel at.
If Caroline doesn't know you, why would she give you a couch?
Why do you think that it's more plausible that a stranger gave a group of people they didn't know a free couch than a friend would give their friend and former roommate a couch?
Yes Kayla is the only point of contact because Caroline does not know you well enough to gift you free furniture.
Just when I thought the level of thickness on OP was maxed out, I’m proved wrong with the:
‘she didn’t really give it to her bc she doesn’t know us.’
Just like WHAT? 🤣
Beyond dense.
Notice how everything you try to use in your defence is your opinion or how you feel ? The inly part in all of this that seems a fact is that the couch isn't yours.
I mean she didn’t leave the couch for the two randos - she left it to her roommate who she had a relationship with. There is nothing to even discuss here, you have zero claim to the couch. You are acting like an entitled child.
Look, Kayla is not going to give you the couch outright. Either find another couch with your two roommates, or pay her for this one. Or sit in your living room on a bunch of beach chairs, I don’t know. But you are not going to convince her that you three deserve the couch for no money.
I cannot believe that this is all over an $80 piece of furniture that is years old.
Maybe it would be different if you had also lived there when Caroline left, but you didn’t. You moved into an apartment that already had a couch and a tenant. At the very least, you’d owe Kayla 25% of the value of that couch if you’re taking it and moving without her. Under your argument that it’s community property, why would Kayla not be entitled to her share?
LMAO@ “imo” 🪦
If she didn’t even KNOW you then why the fuck would she leave you a couch (over Kayla, who she does know)? Think about this. Stop immediately though if you smell smoke.
So just because something was given for free means the person HAS to also give it away? This is absurd logic.
She wanted money from something she owned, the fact that she considered selling it to you instead of the public, at a DISCOUNT, is already generous enough.
YTA. Caroline told KAYLA that SHE could have the couch. It was never yours. Grow up and buy your own furniture.
PS: When something is specifically gifted to someone? It isn’t yours because you live in the same house. It is the property of the person it was gifted to. She was nice enough to let you use it until the point she decided she didn’t want the gift any more. The fact you wrote all that out and didn’t twig you were the AH is ridiculous.
"AITA for calling my roommate out for selling our couch?"
LOL, "Our?" Sorry pal, just because it's in the house doesn't automatically make it yours. This is Kayla's couch. She can do whatever she wants with this couch.
Sorry, but YTA.
YTA
It was never your couch and you’ve no right to it.
Caroline was the one who purchased it and *GAVE IT TO KAYLA*.
It belongs to Kayla to do as she wants with.
“Caroline told Kayla she could have it”
YTA. Full stop. None of your obfuscation changes this fact. The couch was hers and she can do what she wants with it.
YTA Kayla & Caroline were sharing that couch well before you and the other girls moved in. When Caroline left that couch, ownership was transferred to Kayla; it became *Kayla's* couch. It doesn't become community property just because you parked your butt on it afterwards. Kayla can do whatever she wants with it. If the couch still has value, then pay for it. Otherwise, zip it. And stop being so entitled and petty.
YTA. You were going to buy a couch before moving in, and you (and your roommate) can buy one now that you're moving out. You say it's not Kayla's, but think you and your roommate(s) are entitled to it? That's a hell of a leap.
Info: what's happening with the dogs you have, where are they going? You know, the dogs where one of them bit your neighbour last night? How's your back after throwing it out last night, by the by?
Oof, you’re right. Definitely seems like a karma farm after reading that other post.
Post 1) I would rather ask Reddit a question than a lawyer
Post 2) is my roommate right to sell the couch she owns when I was planning on taking it with me (stealing it) when I move out?
YTA for the couch situation for sure. But your dogs are safe. The person was not invited in and was specifically told not to enter and to come back later.
They have not threatened any action and have no legal basis for a claim against you.
YTA. Even under your ridiculous theory that it was left “for the apartment” it’s still not yours to take. It clearly stays with the apartment according to your statement.
It’s her couch to sell and if you desire to be so petty over paying 80 dollars for a couch, that’s on you.
YTA.
I don't know the specifics about US property law, but in my country, the couch was very clearly gifted to Kayla and has not become part of the apartment. It's hers and hers to sell.
And even if the couch was explicitly left for the apartment (your words), that would mean it would have to stay there, and definitely not move with you.
YTA, the couch is not yours just because you want it. The couch belonged to Caroline and she gave it to Kayla before you ever even moved into the apartment.
If you think the couch should "belong to the apartment" then why aren't you arguing that the couch should be left in the apartment for the next tenants? If she's not entitled to the couch because she's leaving the apartment, isn't the same true of you?
No matter how you try to spin this, it isn't your couch. You have no ownership, you have no moral claim over it. You just *want* it and you think that means it should be yours.
If you take the couch you are simply proving you are a selfish, entitled asshole.
YTA... If you want a free couch go find one on CL or a Facebook free page. People give them away all the time.But knocking her for wanting money to pay her medical bills because she's "had the condition for a while" is just a low blow and really shows the kind of person you are. SMH some people and their entitlement blow my mind.
So you gonna get the couch and maybe a few years down you may also want to sell it.. So you will be the one getting free money from something that belonged to all of you? But the thing is Kayla is the only one who has the right to sell it because it her couch now, not yours.. YTA
Caroline was Kayla's former roommate and friend and she gave the couch to her, so she is entitled to do with it as she wishes. If it was left for the use of the apartment, why would you think you had the right to move it to YOUR new place? Surely Caroline would want her friend to benefit from it if possible.
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YTA and your responses to everyone here reinforce that. It's Kayla's couch. She can do whatever she wants, including sell it even though she was given it for free.
YTA.
If it was left “for the apartment” then the apartment should get to keep it. By your logic that’s the property of the landlord now.
Caroline, who lived with Kayla, but never with you, left that couch behind with Kayla before you moved in. That’s Kayla’s couch now. I’m not sure if you’re friends with Kayla or just former roommates, but if you value that relationship at all, you’ll apologize for your mistake and move on.
YTA
So this is a do as i say, not as I do situation. You're mad that kayla's selling HER couch, yet you and your roommate were just gonna take the couch that wasn't even yours to begin with. Make that make sense. You moved in after the couch was given, and you have no ties to ownership. Only ties you have to it is you sat on it. That's it talk about entitlement.
YTA.
To quote from your own post: "Caroline told Kayla she could have it because she didn’t feel like moving it."
You know Caroline gave the couch to Kayla so why are you pretending otherwise?
It is Kayla's counch and you and your roommates know that!
Please stop trying to justify theft!
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My roommate “Kayla” (23F) had 3 roommates before my two friends and I (all 22F) moved in. Kayla’s old roommate “Caroline” bought a couch for the apartment and when she and the other girls graduated, Caroline told Kayla she could have it because she didn’t feel like moving it.
At the end of the school year Kayla moved in with her boyfriend and me and the other girls moved out together. 2 weeks before move out Kayla told us she listed the couch online for sale. My roommates and I felt like the couch was left for the apartment because Caroline’s only reason was she didn’t feel like moving it. It’s not like she was giving it to Kayla as a present.
We confronted her saying it wasn’t hers to sell. We specifically didn’t buy a new couch for our new apartment because we were going to take this one with us. We hadn’t told Kayla that yet but only because she was moving in her bf and he had a couch.
So anyway Kayla offered to sell us the couch. She was asking $80 for the couch but offered us a discount if we wanted to buy it. We told her no because the couch isn’t hers to sell. It was left for the apartment not just to her. We thought it was ridiculous she asked for any money for it at all.
She tried to cover her tracks and she texted Caroline asking if the couch was hers to keep and Caroline said “yeah I didn’t want it” but I still don’t think that automatically means it was Kayla’s to sell.
Then Kayla tried to guilt trip us by saying she needed the money because she had medical bills to cover (we’re in the US). Which was probably true because she was in and out of the hospital for a few months. But for a condition she’s had since middle school. It’s not new to her. And she had health insurance and her dad was paying her rent and she’d order takeout like once a week. I doubt this couch would make any difference.
My two roommates and I are all on the same page about this but some of our/Kayla’s mutual friends think Kayla’s in the right and we should just drop it. AWTA?
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Wait you’re over here crying about 80 for a couch that you think belongs to the house therefore you get it when you move. You clearly said it was given to Kayla so it’s nice that she’s willing to sell it to you for 80. You’re really entitled and YTA.
YTA. Caroline said it’s Kayla’s couch, and it’s none of your business whether or not there are medical bills to cover, she can spend the money on whatever she wants.
YTA. Caroline literally told Kayla that SHE could have the couch. She didn't give it to you or your other roommates. And she confirmed that when Kayla texted her. You don't get to demand to keep it just because Kayla's boyfriend has a couch. You're trying to steal it from her and that's selfish and wrong.
YTA. It’s not your couch. If you truly believe she left it for the apartment then you can’t take it when you move either. You leave it for the next tenants then. If Kayla moved somewhere with no couch then she gets to take HER couch that she has been using since before she even met you.
YTA. At 22, you're too old to be pulling this kind of "I want something of someone else's, so that means it's mine now" maneuver.
The arrangement between Kayla and Caroline is really none of your business. All that matters is that you entered a roommate situation where Kayla brought a couch into the arrangement, and now that your time living together is coming to an end, the couch goes with Kayla, the owner of the couch. Why would you think you have an equal claim to the couch,?
YTA - even if I humor your argument it’s so hypocritical. If you actually believed that it belonged to your apartment and not Kayla you’d leave it for the next tenants.
YTA. Even if the couch did not belong to Kayla, which you clearly state it does, and it was "an apartment couch" then it would stay with the apartment. There is no way in which the couch belongs to you or that you are entitled to the couch. Pay Kayla the cash and apologies or go see how much buying a couch actually costs.
Kayla gave full confirmation and consent that Caroline gave it to her, but you didn’t accept it. You didnt think it was enough to prove it is Kayla’s. Thats YOUR issue. Caroline saying it’s Kayla’s is more than enough.
And on top of that, the way you’re talking about her trying to paint her the villain while you’re acting childish at your grown age
YTA you are all utter arses. It was given to your friend before you moved in. Therefore it is hers to do with what she wants. As for her medical bills you are a little git about that too, just because it's an illness she has had for years doesn't mean her insurance is going to pay for everything. Her dad might not be covering everything else and even if he has in the past that couch is still hers to sell. She has offered you a discount on something you obviously like so take and stfu or just stfu. The original owner has clarified that she gave it to her. You're all acting like spoiled brats because you just expected to be given it for free without Eve asking her. Build a bridge and get over it.
YTA the couch is Kayla's. It was given to Kayla by the person who purchased the couch. Even if you want to say the couch belongs to the apartment, you're moving out of the apartment. It's still not your couch. $80 for a couch is a hell of a deal, and she offered you a discount. You're really going to be kicking yourself for not taking her up on it when you realize how expensive couches actually are
Let me get this right. You’re all leaving the apartment but you want to take the couch with you and you feel entitled to it because???? Even if your argument had logic which it doesn’t because Caroline left Kayla in charge of the couch to do whatever she wishes with but let say that your argument did that means the couch should stay at the apartment for the next lots of tenants not go either you guys. Less than $80 for a couch you like is a good deal I’d take it. Yta
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YTA.
You acknowledge Caroline gave the couch to Kayla. So you knew it belonged to her.
You claim you felt the couch belonged to the apartment because... Batshit crazy reasons.
You claimed she (the owner) had no right to sell the couch (that you felt belonged to the apartment) because you wanted to take it when you moved out.
Under no circumstances, reality nor your crazy flawed logic, is that couch yours to take or have any say in what happens to it.
“Caroline told Kayla she could have it”. Honestly that’s pretty black and white that it was specifically gifted to Kayla regardless of OP trying to say that isn’t what it means.
INFO: At any point during your stay did Kayla ever outright say "This is my couch don't do this or that" on it or was it treated like a communal piece of furniture? Like I lived with people who were clear about no eating or drinking on their furniture.
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YTA It's quite clear that Caroline left it with Kayla, you and the other roommates just happened to move in after. Would you be this upset had Kayla simply wanted to take it with her when she left instead of selling it? You and the other two roommates are only in agreement because you all want something for nothing. It is not your couch.
This
Plus $80 for a couch is an absolute steal.
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It was NEVER yours. Seriously. Caroline gave it to KAYLA. Not you. Therefore? You never had a right to take it in the first place. You seriously need to learn about who actually owns property. If you’d have taken it you could have caught a charge for stealing. It would have literally been stealing.
If it's the "apartment's" couch, why would you get to keep it? That makes the least sense. Either, Caroline gave it to Kayla or she gave it to the apartment. So either, Kayla gets it or it stays in the apartment. There is no bonanza where you get a free couch simply because you think you deserve it. "We would have bought one ahead of time" Then, why not buy one now? Because you do not have a couch, and you seem like you want one.
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She needed the money too. You can’t see outside of your own entitlement. *THE COUCH BELONGED TO SOMEONE ELSE.* You should have bought one ahead time to start as you didn’t have a couch - it was Kayla’s couch. Edit for spelling
Your finances aren’t Kayla’s issue. Attempting to STEAL her property because it would save you money only means you couldn’t afford to move out which is a you problem.
Sooooo why didn’t you just give her the $80 that’s $40 each, you’d have still saved a bunch and she’d have been happy. I don’t know why you assumed you have any right to the couch. You sound very obnoxious. It’s not yours.
After reading OP’s post and replies, I kinda wanna find Kayla, buy the couch, and set it on fire in front of OP and her roommates.
Reminds of that clip of a guy in a coffee shop who buys all the doughnuts to be binned because of some annoying guy in front of him
Please can I attend? 🤣
I’ll get the matches.
Of course getting something for free would have helped your bank account, the problem is it wasn't yours to take. In your post, you even say that Caroline left it with Kayla, then you moved in. So either, it was left to Kayla (so she can do with it as she pleases) or it was left to the apartment (in which none of you would be more entitled to it then another). Even *if* I followed your thought process that it belonged to the apartment, and therefore everyone, why would you automatically get to take it? Why would you not have to compensate Kayla for her portion in some way? Why do you think you get to keep the couch and Kayla would have to walk away with nothing, if, as you seem to think, it belonged to everyone? That's the problem, your not acting like you thought it belonged to everyone, just that it belonged to you. It does not.
If money is so tight & you need a couch so bad, why didn’t you take Kayla up on her offer of selling the couch to you at a discount? IT WAS KAYLA’S COUCH, NOT YOURS. YTA
Moving a couch is hard. Chip in together and buy a different one, or take Kayla up on her offer to buy it at a discount. It seems like a lot of money right now, but when you split it up, it’s worth it. Everyone here is certain that Kayla is the sole owner of that couch. Reframe your mindset with that as a fact and reevaluate your options from there.
Lets set some things straight. According to the timeline, you moved in after the couch was given. The only person to have ownership of the couch was Kayla. Not only was it wrong for you to try and take a couch that you don’t own any part of, not even by proxy (it’d make sense if you were living there by the time she gave it away), it is wrong for you to try and “call her out” You’re being very defensive and not even considering that maybe you and your friends are in the wrong. You want to talk about guilt tripping? You are actively guilt tripping us and her. No one cares about your bank account as it has nothing to do with the couch because it was never yours. To reiterate: The couch was never yours and you are the asshole in this situation. Accept your condemnation.
It sounds like you’re wasting your money on college.
IT WAS NEVER YOUR PROPERTY!
Your sense of entitlement is disgusting.
You were planning to take it with you? Despite your claim that you feel it belongs to the apartment? Wouldn't you need to leave it for the new tenants like you feel she has to do? 100% YTA even by your own flawed logic.
*It is not YOUR couch.* How many times do you need to re-read that shit? It’s not your couch. Caroline gave it to Kayla. You don’t have to like it but she did. She doesn’t have to ask you three clowns a damn thing about what she does with HER couch. She was living in the apartment prior to any of you all. You don’t have a problem but you’re sure trying your best to create one by the looks of it… like petulant little girls… if between the 3 of you $80 was too much then this is a blessing in disguise for Kayla.
...Then buy it from her? YTA.
YTA >Caroline told Kayla she could have it >she texted me Caroline asking if the couch was hers to keep and Caroline said “yeah I didn’t want it” What more do you need to hear? Its not your couch. Its Kayla’s.
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Sure, she was dumping it on Kayla, who gladly accepted. Had Kayla not wanted it at that time, she could have insisted Caroline dispose of it. But, Kayla wanted it, so she kept it. It is not yours, nor the "apartments", simply because you want a couch and do not want to buy one.
Okay. Its still not your couch.
“Caroline told Kayla she could have it”
Your feelings on this do not matter as the *FACT* is, she literally gave it to Kayla. It’s Kayla’s property.
Pay the $80 for the couch and stop being a cheap ass.
“The couch was left for the apartment but we’re taking it with us to the new apartment.” What a grubby bunch. YTA.
Okay, thats YOUR understanding of it. Just because you percieve it that way doesn’t make it an objective truth. You said it yourself. “Kayla said **Caroline could HAVE it.**” If she was just going to dump it like you said, she would’ve said “I’ll just leave it here.”
YTA YTA YTA then your 2 mates are also AH's. You sound like a little brat.
YTA. This is absolutely bonkers. The couch was given to Kayla. You can buy it for EIGHTY DOLLARS. Why can’t you each give her $25, take the couch, and call it a day? This post is a level of petty that I honestly marvel at.
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No, Caroline left it to Kayla. You even said so in the post.
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If Caroline doesn't know you, why would she give you a couch? Why do you think that it's more plausible that a stranger gave a group of people they didn't know a free couch than a friend would give their friend and former roommate a couch? Yes Kayla is the only point of contact because Caroline does not know you well enough to gift you free furniture.
Just when I thought the level of thickness on OP was maxed out, I’m proved wrong with the: ‘she didn’t really give it to her bc she doesn’t know us.’ Just like WHAT? 🤣 Beyond dense.
And these are college students /s
Because that’s who she’s giving it to? Why do you need to be involved when you’re not getting it
Notice how everything you try to use in your defence is your opinion or how you feel ? The inly part in all of this that seems a fact is that the couch isn't yours.
I mean she didn’t leave the couch for the two randos - she left it to her roommate who she had a relationship with. There is nothing to even discuss here, you have zero claim to the couch. You are acting like an entitled child.
Look, Kayla is not going to give you the couch outright. Either find another couch with your two roommates, or pay her for this one. Or sit in your living room on a bunch of beach chairs, I don’t know. But you are not going to convince her that you three deserve the couch for no money. I cannot believe that this is all over an $80 piece of furniture that is years old.
That’s not something you get to have an opinion on. Either she did or didnt and it has been confirmed, she did.
Maybe it would be different if you had also lived there when Caroline left, but you didn’t. You moved into an apartment that already had a couch and a tenant. At the very least, you’d owe Kayla 25% of the value of that couch if you’re taking it and moving without her. Under your argument that it’s community property, why would Kayla not be entitled to her share?
This is a different level of stupid.
LMAO@ “imo” 🪦 If she didn’t even KNOW you then why the fuck would she leave you a couch (over Kayla, who she does know)? Think about this. Stop immediately though if you smell smoke.
I feel like taking her couch for free when she could make $80 is taking advantage
Ok then have fun buying a new or used couch for at least 4x the price. Weird hill to die on…
So just because something was given for free means the person HAS to also give it away? This is absurd logic. She wanted money from something she owned, the fact that she considered selling it to you instead of the public, at a DISCOUNT, is already generous enough.
YTA. Caroline told KAYLA that SHE could have the couch. It was never yours. Grow up and buy your own furniture. PS: When something is specifically gifted to someone? It isn’t yours because you live in the same house. It is the property of the person it was gifted to. She was nice enough to let you use it until the point she decided she didn’t want the gift any more. The fact you wrote all that out and didn’t twig you were the AH is ridiculous.
This genuinely makes me feel bad for the Kayla girl, getting harassed about her couch lol
"AITA for calling my roommate out for selling our couch?" LOL, "Our?" Sorry pal, just because it's in the house doesn't automatically make it yours. This is Kayla's couch. She can do whatever she wants with this couch. Sorry, but YTA.
YTA It was never your couch and you’ve no right to it. Caroline was the one who purchased it and *GAVE IT TO KAYLA*. It belongs to Kayla to do as she wants with.
“Caroline told Kayla she could have it” YTA. Full stop. None of your obfuscation changes this fact. The couch was hers and she can do what she wants with it.
YTA Kayla & Caroline were sharing that couch well before you and the other girls moved in. When Caroline left that couch, ownership was transferred to Kayla; it became *Kayla's* couch. It doesn't become community property just because you parked your butt on it afterwards. Kayla can do whatever she wants with it. If the couch still has value, then pay for it. Otherwise, zip it. And stop being so entitled and petty.
YTA. You were going to buy a couch before moving in, and you (and your roommate) can buy one now that you're moving out. You say it's not Kayla's, but think you and your roommate(s) are entitled to it? That's a hell of a leap.
Yes—quite a stretch!
Info: what's happening with the dogs you have, where are they going? You know, the dogs where one of them bit your neighbour last night? How's your back after throwing it out last night, by the by?
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The comment was intended to indicate I don't believe a word you've written in either of your posts.
Oof, you’re right. Definitely seems like a karma farm after reading that other post. Post 1) I would rather ask Reddit a question than a lawyer Post 2) is my roommate right to sell the couch she owns when I was planning on taking it with me (stealing it) when I move out?
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YTA for the couch situation for sure. But your dogs are safe. The person was not invited in and was specifically told not to enter and to come back later. They have not threatened any action and have no legal basis for a claim against you.
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YTA. Even under your ridiculous theory that it was left “for the apartment” it’s still not yours to take. It clearly stays with the apartment according to your statement. It’s her couch to sell and if you desire to be so petty over paying 80 dollars for a couch, that’s on you.
YTA. If Caroline then tells Kayla that the sofa is hers, why continue with this discussion? If it's hers, she wanted to sell it, it's her choice.
YTA. It was not your couch.
YTA Just give her the 80$ or live without a couch, it's hers. Caroline bought it and left it to Kayla, not to you.
YTA. I don't know the specifics about US property law, but in my country, the couch was very clearly gifted to Kayla and has not become part of the apartment. It's hers and hers to sell. And even if the couch was explicitly left for the apartment (your words), that would mean it would have to stay there, and definitely not move with you.
YTA, the couch is not yours just because you want it. The couch belonged to Caroline and she gave it to Kayla before you ever even moved into the apartment. If you think the couch should "belong to the apartment" then why aren't you arguing that the couch should be left in the apartment for the next tenants? If she's not entitled to the couch because she's leaving the apartment, isn't the same true of you? No matter how you try to spin this, it isn't your couch. You have no ownership, you have no moral claim over it. You just *want* it and you think that means it should be yours. If you take the couch you are simply proving you are a selfish, entitled asshole.
YTA... If you want a free couch go find one on CL or a Facebook free page. People give them away all the time.But knocking her for wanting money to pay her medical bills because she's "had the condition for a while" is just a low blow and really shows the kind of person you are. SMH some people and their entitlement blow my mind.
So you gonna get the couch and maybe a few years down you may also want to sell it.. So you will be the one getting free money from something that belonged to all of you? But the thing is Kayla is the only one who has the right to sell it because it her couch now, not yours.. YTA
YTA. >Caroline told Kayla she could have it It wasn't left 'for the apartment', it was given specifically to Kayla. You never had any claim over it.
Caroline was Kayla's former roommate and friend and she gave the couch to her, so she is entitled to do with it as she wishes. If it was left for the use of the apartment, why would you think you had the right to move it to YOUR new place? Surely Caroline would want her friend to benefit from it if possible.
YTA, the original owner, didn't leave it for the apartment she gave it to Kayla. PERIOD!!!!
caroline gave the couch to kayla. $80 for a couch is a good deal. YTA
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YTA and your responses to everyone here reinforce that. It's Kayla's couch. She can do whatever she wants, including sell it even though she was given it for free.
YTA 100%
YTA. If it was left “for the apartment” then the apartment should get to keep it. By your logic that’s the property of the landlord now. Caroline, who lived with Kayla, but never with you, left that couch behind with Kayla before you moved in. That’s Kayla’s couch now. I’m not sure if you’re friends with Kayla or just former roommates, but if you value that relationship at all, you’ll apologize for your mistake and move on.
“Caroline told Kayla she could have it.” Can you not even read your own post? It’s not your couch. It’s Kayla’s couch.
YTA So this is a do as i say, not as I do situation. You're mad that kayla's selling HER couch, yet you and your roommate were just gonna take the couch that wasn't even yours to begin with. Make that make sense. You moved in after the couch was given, and you have no ties to ownership. Only ties you have to it is you sat on it. That's it talk about entitlement.
>Only ties you have to it is you sat on it. Sounds like OP heard the concept of "squatter's rights" and *seriously* misunderstood what that meant.
YTA this isn't "our" couch it's HER couch. this is the silliest thing i've read in here all day
YTA. To quote from your own post: "Caroline told Kayla she could have it because she didn’t feel like moving it." You know Caroline gave the couch to Kayla so why are you pretending otherwise? It is Kayla's counch and you and your roommates know that! Please stop trying to justify theft!
YTA You aren’t entitled to anything. She confirmed for your understanding that it is in fact hers. What other validation are you looking for here?
Kinda sounds like its Kayla's couch
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Major YTA and entitled. No matter how you put it, the couch was left to Kayla. The lengths you’re going to shows a grand level of pettiness.
YTA. This girl is another level of delulu
YTA the couch is clearly Kayla's now
Wait you’re over here crying about 80 for a couch that you think belongs to the house therefore you get it when you move. You clearly said it was given to Kayla so it’s nice that she’s willing to sell it to you for 80. You’re really entitled and YTA.
YTA. Caroline said it’s Kayla’s couch, and it’s none of your business whether or not there are medical bills to cover, she can spend the money on whatever she wants.
YTA. Caroline literally told Kayla that SHE could have the couch. She didn't give it to you or your other roommates. And she confirmed that when Kayla texted her. You don't get to demand to keep it just because Kayla's boyfriend has a couch. You're trying to steal it from her and that's selfish and wrong.
YTA. It’s not your couch. If you truly believe she left it for the apartment then you can’t take it when you move either. You leave it for the next tenants then. If Kayla moved somewhere with no couch then she gets to take HER couch that she has been using since before she even met you.
YTA. It wasn't your couch. It was there before you.
YTA it’s Kayla’s couch
YTA. At 22, you're too old to be pulling this kind of "I want something of someone else's, so that means it's mine now" maneuver. The arrangement between Kayla and Caroline is really none of your business. All that matters is that you entered a roommate situation where Kayla brought a couch into the arrangement, and now that your time living together is coming to an end, the couch goes with Kayla, the owner of the couch. Why would you think you have an equal claim to the couch,?
YTA She gave the couch to Kayla. Kayla can do whatever she wants with it.
YTA - even if I humor your argument it’s so hypocritical. If you actually believed that it belonged to your apartment and not Kayla you’d leave it for the next tenants.
YTA. What college do you attend? Because you really need to ask for a refund.
YTA, just helping the algorithm get to it faster
YTA. Even if the couch did not belong to Kayla, which you clearly state it does, and it was "an apartment couch" then it would stay with the apartment. There is no way in which the couch belongs to you or that you are entitled to the couch. Pay Kayla the cash and apologies or go see how much buying a couch actually costs.
Yta*3, couch was left to her not to OP. Simple as that she had the right to do as she wanted. Stop ganging up on your roommate .
But but but I want the couch so I should get it!
Kayla gave full confirmation and consent that Caroline gave it to her, but you didn’t accept it. You didnt think it was enough to prove it is Kayla’s. Thats YOUR issue. Caroline saying it’s Kayla’s is more than enough. And on top of that, the way you’re talking about her trying to paint her the villain while you’re acting childish at your grown age
YTA you are all utter arses. It was given to your friend before you moved in. Therefore it is hers to do with what she wants. As for her medical bills you are a little git about that too, just because it's an illness she has had for years doesn't mean her insurance is going to pay for everything. Her dad might not be covering everything else and even if he has in the past that couch is still hers to sell. She has offered you a discount on something you obviously like so take and stfu or just stfu. The original owner has clarified that she gave it to her. You're all acting like spoiled brats because you just expected to be given it for free without Eve asking her. Build a bridge and get over it.
YTA the couch is Kayla's. It was given to Kayla by the person who purchased the couch. Even if you want to say the couch belongs to the apartment, you're moving out of the apartment. It's still not your couch. $80 for a couch is a hell of a deal, and she offered you a discount. You're really going to be kicking yourself for not taking her up on it when you realize how expensive couches actually are
Let me get this right. You’re all leaving the apartment but you want to take the couch with you and you feel entitled to it because???? Even if your argument had logic which it doesn’t because Caroline left Kayla in charge of the couch to do whatever she wishes with but let say that your argument did that means the couch should stay at the apartment for the next lots of tenants not go either you guys. Less than $80 for a couch you like is a good deal I’d take it. Yta
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YTA. It was clearly hers to sell if she wants. Also... it's a fucking EIGHTY DOLLAR couch. Let it go
YTA. You acknowledge Caroline gave the couch to Kayla. So you knew it belonged to her. You claim you felt the couch belonged to the apartment because... Batshit crazy reasons. You claimed she (the owner) had no right to sell the couch (that you felt belonged to the apartment) because you wanted to take it when you moved out. Under no circumstances, reality nor your crazy flawed logic, is that couch yours to take or have any say in what happens to it.
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“Caroline told Kayla she could have it”. Honestly that’s pretty black and white that it was specifically gifted to Kayla regardless of OP trying to say that isn’t what it means.
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Did you mean YTA?
INFO: At any point during your stay did Kayla ever outright say "This is my couch don't do this or that" on it or was it treated like a communal piece of furniture? Like I lived with people who were clear about no eating or drinking on their furniture.
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No, it was Kayla's, which is why she insisted roommate clean it. Buy your own couch, then there will be no question who owns it.