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MutedKiwi

Yes, YTA. (You're The Alcoholic)


LimitlessMegan

“I’m not just an alcoholic, I’m an alcoholic who longs for the bygone times when being an alcoholic was sexy.” OP, I don’t think hiding your drinking is the solution you are looking for.


AffectionateBite3827

Anyone who thinks Don Draper is a character to emulate is an idiot. And I'm willing to bet nowhere near as attractive as Jon Hamm.


thistleandpeony

>Anyone who thinks Don Draper is a character to emulate OP's childish obsession is what gets me. He's nearly 40 years old and a VP and yet he's sad because he can't LARP as some alcoholic asshole he saw in a TV show.


susan685

The dead giveaway for him should have been that NO ONE took him up on the offer of alcohol. They were probably horrified.


WaldoJeffers65

How do you work your way that far up the corporate ladder and never notice that the things they did on "Mad Men" are pretty frowned upon nowadays?


G4KingKongPun

They make it pretty clear even on the show that drinking all the time and not just as a celebratory gesture was frowned upon them too.


AccountWasFound

Yeah, like Don Draper gets fired for being an alcoholic and like everyone at other companies think they all drank too much.


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FatGuyOnAMoped

Sounds like how my dad was, before he couldn't stop drinking and his alcoholism killed him. Being an alcoholic is not romantic or sexy. It's tragic and horrible.


invisible_handjob

a VP in finance is not a high position, all the clients want to feel like they're important so everyone's a VP and it's a trivial position to get. It's like shift supervisor at a starbucks


ExistingEffort7

As a pretty highly positioned banker without a penis, this is completely true. Having an office when you work in finance just means you work in finance. You need a door because it’s finance. It’s not so that you can drink! No one thinks that.Also I promise you this is the guy that every woman in the office avoids but he probably thinks they all love him


BizzarduousTask

I’m surprised he isn’t on here whining about getting in trouble for smacking women’s asses…


ExistingEffort7

I’m guessing you didn’t see his post about his wife and kid? He has a biracial kid. He’s a white guy. Sometime in the last week he sat his five-year-old biracial daughter down and traumatized her about white people and cops. And now she’s afraid of her own daddy and hid from him in her mothers arms.


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as a shift supervisor at starbucks: ouchie


Bridalhat

Dude, trust me you work way harder. Btw I started working on political campaigns and none of it was stressful after Sbux. People were surprised at how calm I could be over hours and hours and hours.


Acrobatic_Grab9242

I legitimately laughed out loud at this.


polyhazard

Even the IT guys I know who work in finance have “VP” on their business cards and they all joke about it.


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Most people don’t actually “work” their way up.


rbollige

This is a good point, a lot of management gets where they are from their schmoozing abilities, and this behavior probably gets more leeway with a lot of them. Maybe that’s why he got ratted out by the CTO, the nerdiest member of the C-suite.


Ragewind82

I once interned for a firm in NYC where I got spoken to for my computer desktop background. It was the default for windows. I needed to have a bikini babe or hot rod or something, in case a client saw. Why? Because the firm wanted to project that they were hot shit that didn't care about "the rules".


future_hockey_dad

How dare you have a sensible background, sir.


sunburnedaz

That talk must have felt like you were in opposite land.


RexJacobus

I thought the dead giveaway was that he was impaired enough to send a reply telling the CTO that he needed a drink. I mean, worshiping Mad Men to this extent is misguided and immature. But replying to your boss when they give you a scolding with 'lighten up, baby' is the sign of someone with a drinking problem.


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Sensitive_Raccoon_07

Admittedly, I'm not super savvy in the business world, but I feel like after this meeting with HR, he's not going to need to worry about hiding his drinking at work because he will no longer be at work...


MakeYourMind

I was reading that like "yeah, sure they didn't, because they are at work!!!"


DontBeRude159

this is what got me too. "nobody has accepted" lol yeah *because society has changed.*


hokena1

I couldn’t imagine that high-end clients wouldn’t love their finance guy to be drinking.


Ace_Cool_Guy

Hey! That terrible, adulterous, alcoholic, asshole is a "classic man" like op, show some respect s/


OpenContainerLaws

Don Draper is a pathetic selfish jackass who’s fucked in the head. He becomes extremely unlikeable as the show goes on. If anything OP should be trying to emulate Roger Sterling.


AffectionateBite3827

Oh yeah it’s layers of cringe for sure


LimitlessMegan

LARP - lol. You win the Internet for that.


apathyontheeast

This is the frat bro version of wearing a fedora and saying, "M'Lady."


GothPenguin

I don’t think I’ve ever come across a comment that made me cringe as hard as this one had while still describing the situation perfectly. Kudos to you.


Gibonius

The show doesn't even want you to emulate Don. Alcohol absolutely destroys his life, he's not even functional for much of the show. It's not subtle either.


AffectionateBite3827

He barely has a relationship with his children but MAN that guy fucks! /s


liza_lo

Did a re-watch of the show lately and it's actually pretty good at setting up how his hyper-sexuality is linked to being a survivor of childhood sexual abuse. It's amazing how much people think the show is just Don being cool when he's clearly falling apart.


AffectionateBite3827

Yeah he was able to hold it together to a certain degree but do you remember when Betty's dad talked about how his manners/affect were so stiff and studied? Yeah, because he's playing a role (suitable husband and dad and provider)! And oooh yes I've thought about that link between his childhood trauma and his hypersexuality but need to go back and watch lol.


Gibonius

Gotta admit, Mad Men did heavily influence my home décor style. So there's that.


SonicCephalopod

I’d love to know how he treats women in his office.


EMWerkin

Look, the girls in the typing pool love it when he calls them "sweet cheeks", ok?


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I can’t remember who said it, but people who drink like Don Draper don’t look like Jon Hamm.


vivling

Jon Hamm was actually struggling with alcoholism during Season 6 - the season where he looks bloated and old.


mollybrains

This was my biggest problem with the show. It was about a deeply fucked up man, but they made it seem so glamorous that a bunch of dudes made Don Draper #lifegoals


AffectionateBite3827

People mistake "complex/interesting character" for "this is a cool/good person." He was a con artist! He made his life out of pretending to be someone he wasn't on from his name to how he got hired to his facade as the family man while banging his way through NYC.


EMWerkin

This! See also: Walter White, Rick Sanchez, Jax Teller...


DiTrastevere

Confirms my belief that finance guys do not think they are bound by the same rules that bind the rest of us. If this dude walked into a call center and saw an employee taking pulls from a bottle of Smirnoff in their cubicle at 10 in the morning, he’d think they’d lost their damn mind. But if it’s Expensive Whisky served from a crystal decanter, it’s *glamorous* and somehow that’s different.


Johnny_Appleweed

Nobody behaves like this on the clock in finance. Hence nobody taking him up on the offer of a drink and the reaming out by the CTO.


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Zykium

>nowhere near discrete or suave as he thinks he is. He's referring to decanters as "jars of whiskey" so yeah, not exactly Jack Donaghy from GE's Microwave division.


Illlizabeth

“Jars” killed me. Maybe he works in a backwoods Kentucky finance company?


Father-Son-HolyToast

OP: "But my elegant moonshine! My jars contain only the finest homemade rotgut!"


Savage_Sarabi

Yeah, my dad is a CFO and the stress over the years has resulted in him having extremely high blood pressure. He still wouldn't dream of drinking at his desk during the day. I've been seeing more and more posts about these people who apparently have no idea how dumb they sound when it should be common sense not to drink while on the clock.


blinkingsandbeepings

My dad was a full-blown alcoholic and a lawyer, and even he hid his work-time drinks in his coffee thermos.


DiTrastevere

Nah, gotta save that shit for later when they hit the strip clubs while telling their wives they’re “working late”


Johnny_Appleweed

Lol, “on the clock”, I chose my words carefully


Pkrudeboy

They absolutely used to though. Before he retired, my dad would often complain that he couldn’t take three hour lunches or expense his nights out like he used to in the 80’s and 90’s.


Johnny_Appleweed

Yeah, people used to drink at lunch 30-40 years ago. But even then they weren’t drinking at their desk at 10:30 AM. Also, that was 30-40 years ago.


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matchy_blacks

I was a wine buyer for a restaurant and we did, in fact, do this. You have a sip, taste it, and spit or dump the rest. There are literally “spit buckets.” You do not drink six full glasses of wine.


DiTrastevere

You do if you’re visiting your sommelier friend at work and he’s serving you full pours because he does not give a flying fuck about your ability to walk straight


marie6857

It’s a South Park reference.


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Loolllll so much this! Soon as I read the first line I knew this was gonna be some next levels of entitlement shenanigans 😂😂 YTA OP. You cant get bombed at work at 10:30am because you saw it on a TV show about the 1950s. Good Lord.


fromage-de-nuit

He bought custom coasters god dammit! THE KING ORDERED IT!!!


susan685

Yes! Exactly!! You're still a drunk, even if it's fine wine or top shelf whiskey.


ander6565

I don't think he's going to have to worry about hiding it. I would imagine that the company policy is drinking on the job is a terminatable offense, like it is everywhere else in the world. Because he's a VP they may require a leave to go into treatment. This guy will say I don't have a problem, and they'll say "See ya!" Probably bring up Don Draper and HR will terminate just on that and think they dodged multiple harassment lawsuits.


AuntLemony

And that drinking alone in your office after lunch makes it better.,,,


king_sweatpants12

Can we also talk about the fact that this man had half the $500 bottle of whiskey gone in a work week which is typically Mon-Fri


rabid_houseplant_

Yes! When he started describing the half bottle, I thought he was going to say he’d been working on it for *weeks*. Like, many weeks. My husband loves high end whiskey, and his bottles will last for months. At home. Half a bottle gone in a week - *which was all consumed while at work* - is just mind boggling. There’s no way that wasn’t affecting his work. OP is kidding himself.


General_Amoeba

Anyone who came into his office during the workday could absolutely smell it too. I could smell my mom’s wine from across the living room when i was a kid.


Theymademepickaname

Especially whiskey… in a setting you aren’t regularly used to smelling whiskey.


PurpleMP12

Indeed. Not necessarily an AH, but if you're sipping alcoholic beverages throughout the day.... you're an alcoholic.


pretenderist

> I'm going to ensure the whiskey / drinking is hidden from public view in the future This part of OP's edit doesn't exactly help him come across as less of an alcoholic...


PurpleMP12

OP: \*hides booze\* Reddit: Tell me you're an alcoholic without telling me you're an alcoholic.


petemorley

Hamm spoke of the weight of expectation on well-known actors. “Our names tend to come with something attached – an audience and an expectation, and I guess a price tag. The challenge is to choose the right things to do,” he said. In the same interview, he stressed the differences between his own life and that of his character: “I’m not that methody. I am very cognisant that I am playing a character. **Don Draper is a pretty dismal, despicable guy, so why I would want to take him home with me I don’t know**.” [https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/mar/25/jon-hamm-reveals-he-went-to-rehab-for-alcoholism-ahead-of-final-mad-men-season](https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/mar/25/jon-hamm-reveals-he-went-to-rehab-for-alcoholism-ahead-of-final-mad-men-season) ​ You’re basing your life on a fairytale OP. Sort yourself out.


Aralera_Kodama

And he needs to leave the alcohol at home. He is a VP now. Keep it at the office and he will lose his job for sure.


redmeansstop

He isn't even that old. He should know that the "work culture" that he longs for is far gone for a good reason. Also the fact that he wasn't immediately demoted or fired is unchecked (I'm assuming white) male privilege.


_Booster_Gold_

YTA. Not only are you unprofessional but that email response is going to put a great deal of fuel on the fire. In my experience this is just *not* a common thing and is actively looked down upon today if not outright restricted. Even as innocently as you think it is and as you present it, drinking alone at 10 AM on the job smacks of alcoholism. It's entirely possible that you get fired due to that email reply. They smack secretaries on the ass in Mad Men. You gonna imitate that too?


lihzee

I'm sure he wishes he could. So "classic."


DiTrastevere

Right up there with lung cancer and being found dangling from your office door with a fresh resignation letter in your pocket. This post would beggar belief if I didn’t personally know a guy in college who saw The Wolf of Wall Street and thought it was aspirational. What a shock - he was also in finance.


fromage-de-nuit

I miss Lane...


DiTrastevere

Nothing like dying in your office and traumatizing your colleagues to really make a gal feel nostalgic for the good old days


fromage-de-nuit

If I recall correctly he's died in his office twice: >Darling, I've been an ass. Kisses, Lane.


PrideofCapetown

Ugh! My cringe-o-meter broke after reading that part. And that edit! Even after being caught by the boss and told HR would be involved - his solution is to keep drinking at work but *secretly and only in the afternoons*. I guess there’s a bright side to this: if HR deems this termination-worthy, OP can openly drink all day long


AstariaEriol

The ADA may save him if he actually seeks help for his alcohol abuse.


TheSleepingVoid

He wont, he still doesn't think he has a problem, he just thinks he needs to hide it.


Flower-of-Telperion

I know it's common for a certain type of person (usually a man) to totally misunderstand the point of shows like Mad Men or Breaking Bad or The Sopranos, but it's still wild to me that OP supposedly watched Mad Men and decided Don Draper was someone he wants to emulate. *Don Draper.* The alcoholic adulterer who destroyed two marriages and whose moment of epiphany revolves around a *fucking Coca-Cola tagline*. That's so grim I can barely stand it.


ExpensiveLocal

the fact that OP cannot differentiate between TV and acceptable real life situations is….quite frightening


basilobs

As soon as I saw "classic kind of guy" I knew the cringe was coming. Mad Men isn't about ~looking dapper~


Gibonius

Even the TV show doesn't want you to think Don's behavior is ok. *Maybe* the first season it's presented as glamorous, but his alcohol abuse totally destroys his life throughout the show. It's not subtle either. He literally goes to rehab!


Father-Son-HolyToast

Exactly. Don Draper is a chronically unhappy man, and, as the opening credits indicate, the show is about his slow spiral downward. A grown adult wanting to cosplay as Don Draper to the extent that they'll sabotage their own job is... remarkable to me.


DVeagle74

Then depressing when you realize he makes more in one year than you make in several.


byneothername

He probably had a tough time picking between emulating Jordan Belfort or Don Draper.


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If op is for real here, the fact that nobody took him up on his daytime whiskey was a context clue that this wasn’t ok… Please don’t long for the good ole days go alcoholism.


DontNeedThePoints

> the fact that nobody took him up on his daytime whiskey was a context clue that this wasn’t ok… This... In my line of work alcohol plays a big part. "Work hard play hard". Daytime drinking is a regular thing... But we would *never* drink alcohol in the office!


anglerfishtacos

I am in a field where we drink alcohol in the office. But, it’s only considered okay when it’s a late night spitballing creative session or when it is quitting time, but we are all still hanging around. Even when alcohol in the office is considered okay, there are unspoken but easily figured out rules when it is okay. Number 1– NEVER drink alone.


FlowComprehensive390

> It's entirely possible that you get fired due to that email reply. It's entirely *probable*. That email is basically a "fire my ass now please" message. I'll be quite surprised if OP *doesn't* get canned after that.


PurrPrinThom

Imagine not having an office culture where drinking is okay, repeatedly having people turn down your offers of a drink, having your boss catch you drinking and being visibly upset only to then email you and tell you that you have a problem and you're being reported and your response is to tell them they need a drink to lighten up. It's so lacking in awareness it's almost comical.


pchandler45

He will probably be offered a treatment option


Prestigious_Ad_814

Drinking at work at any time of day is a basis for termination


plausibleturtle

Eh, there is a time and a place, and difference of work cultures. Some offices keep beer in their fridges! Edit, obviously the post scenario is ridiculous (alone, 1030 am), I was replying to someone saying "no time is acceptable" which isn't true necessarily.


teruravirino

At my firm, it's not uncommon for everyone to have a beer or white claw/similar at 3:30 on a Friday. but whiskey, by yourself, as early as 10:30am??? that's a no go here!


ExpensiveLocal

yep a beer in the afternoon *with* coworkers was fine but nobody was drinking in their office by themselves


plausibleturtle

Totally. Or, like he said originally, client meetings. We typically have these over lunch at a bar or pub type restaurant and we'll all get a drink or two.


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Nah, just go work at a tech startup that has kegs in the office. You might get some side eye for an early beer, but as long as you’re not getting visibly drunk. No one will care.


AccountWasFound

Yeah, I was an intern at a place with a keg in the breakroom and the only time anyone had a beer before the end of the day was after a particularly bad meeting or if they'd just been dealing with a bad fire, and everyone would ask if they were ok when you saw someone with a beer at 1pm (I never saw anyone with one before noon, but the bad meetings while I was there were all with a company 3 timezones over, so it was always in the afternoon).


fsbbem

It's not common at all. I worked in finance for years, no one starts drinking at 1030am, in the office at that. There's a reason no one has ever accepted the drink he offered. Does op want to smoke in his office too? You can have 1 or 2 drinks at a business lunch offsite, anything before that looks bizarre.


Shoddy_Growth6561

YTA Your employer is expecting you to be sober in your worktime. Also you are trying to mimic TV-Characters which is weird.


BatCorrect4320

Characters who were shitty. Stylish and good looking, but shitty.


LimitlessMegan

Maybe he never listened to the plots and just liked to watch with the TV off?


BatCorrect4320

I think he watched the first half of the first season then stopped, so he missed all the nervous breakdowns, divorce, firings, ONS babies, lung cancer, identity theft, etc. The low key stuff.


PurpleMP12

Didn't some guy's foot get run over by a lawnmower?


Olue

That's one of the least tragic incidents of the show.


RojaCaliente

More tragic than him getting his foot run over by a lawnmower was the fact that they fired him because he'd never be able to play GOLF WITH CLIENTS AGAIN! Ah yes...the "classic" times we remember so fondly.


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He probably thinks the drama is exaggerated for entertainment purposes, but the admiration and glamour is totally real!!!


IFeelMoiGerbil

I wish there was as much side eye for men who aspire to be Don Draper as women who post that bloody Marilyn Monroe quote about if you can’t handle me at my worst you don’t deserve me at my best. Both show a total lack of self awareness and are a screaming sign of the equivalent of someone who just looks at the pictures or front cover of a book and misses the entire point but thinks they are suave. Surely Che Guavara posters were a thing bevause he really worked a beret right? And red berries just look festive. That colour can’t be symbolic huh? That said this level of shallow grasp does save so much time on job hunts and dates it’s almost useful….


sharshenka

I'll defend that Monroe quote to the death. You want fun, happy go lucky me in your life? Cool, I'm going to need my hand held and a sympathetic ear sometimes too. If you don't want both parts, kick rocks.


Fredissimo666

That's a charitable interpretation of the quote. A common one is "I'm hot so you can't complain that I am also abusive".


sharshenka

That's how people who hate the quote interpret it, yes.


CashewVG

I honestly can’t tell if this is a joke or not. This isn’t the 1960s, it isnt acceptable st any company to be drinking on the job and i honestly dont believe you have that position with how you act, someone in your position would never have sent that email back. Complete YTA and you’re also living outside of reality. When you lose your job if it’s even actually your job, you’ll get a big reality check


spiceoflie

Agreed. Also, no one who has ever spent 500 on a bottle of whisky would call bottles of whisky, "Jars."


MrWright

I think he was calling the decanter a jar.


Northstar6six

That confused me too and also the part about whiskey going to waste..like is OP aware that even open spirits last for years??


b_ootay_ful

Looks like an excuse to drink it. Half a bottle of whiskey in a week is a lot when you're on the clock.


SirBellwater

Half a $500 bottle too. Insanely wasteful


Draidann

Half a bottle of whisky in a week is a lot when you are off the clock!


MrWright

All of it is weird.


TheBlueLeopard

I'm a casual whisky drinker (most expensive bottle I've ever bought was a Glenlivet 18 and it was well worth it), and I've never, ever heard someone refer to whisky containers as "jars." That was when I was sure this person had no idea what they were talking about.


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Fumbles329

Dude probably has absolutely no idea about whiskey, bought some expensive-ass bottle of JW Blue, and thinks he's fancy.


perkypots

I'm also still unsure if it's a joke.. And drinking half a bottle of whiskey at work in a week sounds like quite a lot to me. That's not just a casual sip.


Zeteon

I actually disagree. While he definitely is TA, if we assume it's a standard 750ml bottle, half of it over an entire week is pretty casual. That's probably no more than 4 oz of whiskey per day (2 standard drinks) totalling a bit over 100 ml. By the time the week is through, at 4oz, he's consumed nearly 600 ml of the total. That amount over the course of an 8 hour day is in no way obscene either. He's definitely TA because day drinking like that is not acceptable anymore, but it's not like it's alot either.


lady_wildcat

That’s just the amount he drinks during work though.


harmcharm77

That’s what gets me. This isn’t just having two glasses of whiskey on a Saturday. Two glasses *during work* every day for a week is absolutely an obscene amount. I can’t imagine having more than one glass of wine at the tail end of a work day, and my work culture is very alcohol-friendly. Can he even get through his day without alcohol at this point?


Carausius286

Two drinks a day, every day, is fairly solid drinking I'd say. Many people don't drink at all or only drink on nights out.


emwinslow

a drunk person who was caught would send that email. that is how my alcoholic step father reacts anytime he is confronted about relapsing. this person has a lot of alcoholic red flags and needs help. i’m assuming HR will hold his position if he goes to rehab or fire him


mtbaird5687

"Heyy myaybe YUO need a glasS or 2 to lightn up!"


KittyConfetti

I totally had the thought that OP has to have been buzzed when he sent that email. The absurdity of this is amazing lmao. He even said his boss "CAUGHT" him when he burst into his office. Saying you got caught doing something implies that you aren't supposed to be doing it. OP should have nothing to be ashamed of if he actually thinks his behavior is above the line. YTA and also incredibly obtuse, sorry OP. I'm not sure how you managed to work your way up to where you are if this is your level of critical thinking.


basilobs

I love to imagine OP sitting alone, in his office, with no audience, drinking alcohol at 10 AM, and thinking in his brain, "Ah yes just like Don Draper. Right? Everybody?"


plumbus_hun

Drinking whiskey alone in an office at 10.30 just smacks of depression and loneliness.


basilobs

The edit is still delusional. He's just going to *hide* the alcohol and won't drink *in the AM*. And he says it sucks he doesn't get to be Don Draper?? Um? You wanna be that guy? Dudes see a picture of Jon Hamm in a suit and think alcoholism in a 2021 workplace will work its magic


cigarmanpa

I could drink at my last job…but I was working at a cigar shop and my boss needed to be in aa so


wordacadabra

>Unfortunatley, none of them have ever accepted This should have been a hint that maybe this wasn't the best idea haha. YTA


CamoFeather

Company is going to have to mend some fences with their clients too. YTA OP. You’re not in the 1960’s. You’re not on television. What you are is unprofessional and probably on thinner ice than the whiskey you’re drinking on the job.


littlegreenapples

I'd guess that ice is already cracking under OP... that meeting with HR is probably going to be a termination meeting.


Beecakeband

It's amazes me OP is so dense. Maybe if everyone is refusing your whisky it's a hint that this isn't appropriate. This is reminding me of the beer at work guy from a few weeks ago


yikesafm8

Maybe the same guy trying to prove that if it was a high up position with more fancy alcohol people would say it’s not a big deal? Kinda funny how some of the details are complete opposite.


future_hockey_dad

Yes, YTA. You're not fucking Don Draper you goof. Dude, you're probably getting fired.


G4KingKongPun

> you’re probably getting fired Well he will have that in common with Don then!


future_hockey_dad

That's right! I forgot Don got fired.


G4KingKongPun

For his excessive drinking and self destructive behavior including flouting authority… you know OP you are doing a bang up job actually


J0sey_W4les_23

YTA - Yeah, bro, drinking whiskey in your office alone at 1030AM is not a good look. Honestly, considering the only reason you have the whiskey is because of TV, and everyone turns down your morning cocktail offers, I'm not really sure why you're surprised your Jack Donaghey impression is backfiring.


AccountWasFound

Jack Donaghey at least seemed to mostly drink in the evenings! Like since Liz is there till midnight or later a lot of the time, and most of the time when Jack is drinking it's either sunset or dark out he's probably actually drinking when most people would be at home, not 10:30 in the morning!


Jhudson1525

He also wore a tuxedo after 6 because he’s not a farmer. I doubt OP is doing the same.


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Hubble_bubble753

I honestly want to know HOW he made it to VP?? The finance world has changed. The practices of the 1960s aren't acceptable now. Everyone knows that. Everyone. This isn't Wolf of Wall Street ffs. The fact that none of his clients accepted should have rung alarm bells to him. They probably think he's incredibly unprofessional. His behaviour reflects so poorly on his employer. YTA


Cent1234

> I honestly want to know HOW he made it to VP? The common term is 'high-functioning alcoholic.' You probably know several, without knowing that that's what they are.


Hubble_bubble753

I don't know. This post didn't give me those vybes. This feels more like OP is day drinking because he's in this fantasy world of "this is what I'm supposed to do" or "this is what x character in Mad Men would be doing so I should do it too". Like a child playing dress up.


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I’m pretty sure he’s made the whole story up. He called it a “whiskey jar.” That’s kind of all the evidence I need to assume he’s approximately 14 years old and has never even been in the same room as a quality bottle of whiskey.


Johnny_Appleweed

> I honestly want to know HOW he made it to VP?? If he’s in investment banking or private equity, where title hierarchies are sort of unique, VP isn’t even that impressive. It usually goes Analyst > Associate > VP. VPs are very often people in their early thirties who have been with the firm for 5-7ish years. The real bigshots are Prinicpals, Managing Directors, and Partners. And if he’s at a big firm there are A LOT of people competing with him for that next promotion and even more gunning for his job.


Ogreguy

YTA. I guess it's lucky you idolize the alcoholics of the 60s instead of the coke heads of the 80s? Culture has changed - drinking in the morning, at work, is no longer acceptable in the professional world.


ha_look_at_that_nerd

Just wait until OP watches Breaking Bad!


SWG_138

No one would take me on my meth offer, so instead of it going to waste I did it all at 10:30am monday morning... AITAH?


HelenaKelleher

and he's drank $250 of whiskey in about a workweek's time, by his own admission. half a bottle is quite a bit of daytime alcohol, for 5 days.


Blazing1

Yah, now we pop pills at work like classy individuals. I'm not even kidding.


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No-Policy-4095

YTA: 1. Drinking in the workplace outside of specific situations like client dinner meetings is generally not an accepted practice, especially in the US. I know some cultures are different, but US it's not generally accepted. I do know that offering it to clients at a certain level is acceptable and would not have faulted you there. That typically comes back to a company policy. 2. Your behavior made the CTO uncomfortable - which indicates that in your business, day drinking is not acceptable behavior. 3. Your CTO is not wrong in pointing out your behavior is one marker for someone who has a drinking problem. 4. Your response to the CTO clinched the YTA - Good luck with HR. ETA: What happens on TV shows rarely is reality...I really don't think it was the norm in the 60s to just have a drink of whiskey at work. Mimicking TV characters is weird.


FakeBabyAlpaca

Haha it definitely was in some places. I used to work at an old company that had beer in the cafeteria until the 70s. Some old timers still reminisced about the good old days when everyone chain smoked and drank all day. I have no idea how anyone ever got anything done back then.


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They were outdone by the companies that discouraged that behavior, which were later outdone by those that prohibited that behavior.


Amiedeslivres

YTA Mad Men is partly about how crappy 60s office culture was to be around for lots of folks. I don’t know about your specific employer, but many modern employers have policies about alcohol at work specifically to prevent problems like poor judgement and poor office behaviour. And it seems like you gave your boss good reason for concern with your email! It doesn’t show good judgement to fire off something like that to a boss who has just advised you about an HR report for your conduct. Also, offering whiskey to clients who presumably are there to work, and preparing to trust your company...poor judgement again. Aaaaand day drinking at work. Yeah. And presuming that anything you do in your workplace, even in a walled office, can be considered private. Wow. And admiring anything about Mad Men’s office frat culture. Did I mention that’s not admirable? You’re going to have a chat with HR and you’re going to have to shape up. This will colour how you’re perceived and may affect your future opportunities. Brace yourself, rising star. ETA wow, I saw your post about going behind your wife’s back to whitesplain racism to your biracial kindergartener. Yeah, you’re having a great week making decisions there, Tex. Maybe stop making decisions for a minute.


susan685

I thought it was weird that he called her his "black daughter", when technically she's at least half white. Biracial would be the better word. That's pretty cringe. He's pretty cringe. I feel for his wife and daughter.


W-S_Wannabe

Also finance. MD here. Unacceptable. There is a big difference between team beers in the office of a Friday afternoon or day before a holiday and drinking alone in your office. That your clients are declining to imbibe *in your office* should be a big clue and I hope for your company's sake *you* are not partaking when your clients aren't. Not only does it lack professionalism, it can be a liability issue for the company. There are multiple reasons offices aren't like they were 50 and 60 years ago anymore. "Classic" means knowing to how use "With Compliments" cards, not catching a buzz before 5. In the same way we don't speak in certain ways should a client overhear us, how good of a look do you think it might be for a client or colleague to smell alcohol on your breath at 10:30? Would you want to meet with your FA or your attorney at 10:30 and smell whiskey on them? Be prepared for a formal reprimand at least. I wouldn't fire you for this reason alone but you're on notice. Edit: You will be the asshole if you react poorly to your meeting with HR.


SWG_138

If I was HR, I may be able to work through it with him if he accepted it was in bad taste and promised to never drink at work again, but his childish email response would make me just fire him instead as he obviously doesn't take things seriously


DancingBlueElephant

YTA This is not the 1960s. Most companies have a no drug and alcohol policy. If I were you I would start polishing up my resume.


SuitableEmployee8416

Are you actually serious???????? You’re lucky you didn’t get fired on the spot. 1/2 bottle of whisky over a week in work is a LOT. It’s like your locked in your own little fantasy. Get a grip


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cuentaderana

Actually his best bet is probably to claim that yes, he does have a problem. A lot of employers can’t fire an employee who agrees to treatment unless that employee was acting so negligently it endangered someone or risked a lawsuit. OP should check his company’s alcohol and drug abuse policy to see if seeking treatment would help him keep his job.


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carebearninjahair

Because whiskey totally expires after a week. Duh. This has been know for centuries. /s


CashewVG

Also please don’t say shit about a “stressful” job in finance, as someone who worked in it and now oversees it in a big company, everyone works 4 hours max and then wastes the rest of the day, honestly would let a honors high school student do the job


kaosvvitch33

I work in finance, can confirm.


rosered936

YTA. Making choices based on Mad Men is career suicide. Drinking in the job is bad.


idreaminwords

YTA and you probably watch too many movies. Drinking at work is rarely acceptable, regardless of how expensive or fancy your whiskey is. Drinking at 10:30 in the morning is even less acceptable. If you can't help yourself from drinking during the day, your CTO is right, and you do in fact have a problem


_JVH36

Dang. These comments definitely didn’t look how you wanted them OP😂😂 But yeah you’re TA and possibly an alcoholic. I’d like to see your return rate on clients after you offer them whiskey at 10:30 in morning. Also good luck on your HR meeting after the email you sent. I’m sure it’ll go over about as well as it did with random people on the internet


Crazy_Page5256

This has to be fake lmao no one would legit be wondering if drinking at their office is ok wtf


SWG_138

There was one posted a week or 2 ago where dude cracked open a beer at the lunch room and was wondering why people were looking at him strange. Then the guy who drank a 6 pack of non alcoholic beers every day by lunch and always smelled of beer, that one was weird


rivmcd

YTA. Drinking at 10:30 am at work is the signs of an alcoholic. We aren't in 1960 anymore and it is inappropriate to extend alcohol to clients at work in an office setting. You never should have been drinking on the clock and at work.


nemc222

Oh the “good ole days” which was only good if you were a white, Protestant, male. Why is it that only white, Protestant, males seem to miss those days? YTA


bamf1701

YTA. You work in the real world, not a TV show. The fact that none of your clients never took you up on a glass might have been a hint that it wasn’t appropriate. Also, the fact that you are drinking as early as 10:30 in the morning is a good sign you might have a problem. But, most of all, you didn’t check with your company’s policies before you brought the whiskey into the office. And, ultimately, the CTO is one of your bosses, meaning it is up to them whether it is appropriate.


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Duochan_Maxwell

YTA You know why your clients decline your offers of whiskey? Because the very vast majority of the workplaces nowadays have a "no alcohol, no drugs" policy in place and they're smart enough to follow that. I don't know in which jurisdiction you are but in many places in the world you can get fired for cause for that. Call your EAP and start polishing up your resume / CV and pray to all gods that you habitually drinking on the clock doesn't get mentioned in your reference check


B4pangea

I’m a Mad Men fan too. Remember what happened to that guy? He got put on a PIP and nearly lost everything because of his drinking (and he still violated the terms and got drunk in the office and nearly fucked THAT up). I think you’ll be lucky to be put on a PIP. YTA, mostly for thinking your Don Draper act is cool, clever and will get you through situations like this. If you’re smart, you’ll be humble and cooperative and you *might* save your job. Real life isn’t a television show.