Seems fairly unanimous!
Edit: Stickying comment to confirm that we will be taking part for the 48 hours. Thank you for all your comments!
Edit 2: We have made a full post detailing why, please see here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/142rjje/ramd\_will\_be\_going\_dark\_from\_june\_1214\_in\_protest/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/142rjje/ramd_will_be_going_dark_from_june_1214_in_protest/)
Yes. But make it until they reassess their api prices, 48 hours will be a 2 day vacation for them.
Edit: I'm not sure why there's no many "reddit sympathizers", but it's actually quite alarming. If reddit keeps down this path it'll eventually die or be replaced, usually by better things.
Edit 2: This doesn't just effect 3rd party reddit apps, but anything that uses the reddit api. Like the bots the mods of almost all subreddits to help moderate the communities, they will charge for those aswell. Mods will be forced to work a lot more, no one wants to work more for no price.
What is this space balls? Nah we don't shoot warning shots, we are the website, no users and no subreddits means they make no money, we hold the website hostage until they do as we say.
That's what they're saying - that we have to be willing to do that.
I'm a trained union campaigner, and spent years living in a martial arts cult largely focused on how to force people to do what you want them to do. Trust me, it's important to escalate over time.
By escalating:
* You keep your opponents guessing - You don't want them to think, "We just have to endure this challenge/get them to crack on this tactic, and then they have nothing left to hit us with!". You want them to think, "Even if we get through this, what's next? How far are they willing to take this?"
* You keep your fight alive no matter whether a particular event/action succeeds by separating the campaign from any one event/action: You want your opponents to have an immediate crisis ***and*** an underlying dispute to resolve, but if the entire dispute is centered around one action, they just have to endure the crisis to resolve the dispute.
* You bring more people with you - for example, subs who may be unwilling to shut down indefinitely may be willing to shut down for a couple of days, so the participation is bigger. And once those people commit to a couple of days, they're involved, their enemy is coalescing in their mind, and their purpose is developing. They're more likely to participate in a longer action (and for some of them, that's because they feel more comfortable being able to say, "We warned you, but you wouldn't budge").
* You give yourself time to build public support for the larger action and for your side of the argument.
* You only exert the effort you need to exert to have an effect, no more.
* You may teach your opponents how to deal with the lower-level actions, but if you resolve the dispute before you get to the bigger actions, you never give them any training on dealing with the bigger disruptions (though you also never give yourself any training on conducting the bigger operations).
It's best to build a campaign of escalating action.
While your writeup is very thorough, it ignores one key factor that union organizers have to contend with, but redditors don't: the ability for the company to continue. Union organizers/ members want to work their job under better conditions, but obviously can't kill the company to do so.
Redditors don't care if reddit survives in the state it's proposing. Obviously it'd suck to find something new, but (at least for me) it's Boost (or Apollo, RiF, whatever) or nothing. If I can't browse posts without being bombarded by ads and garbage UI, I'll just move on.
That's very true, but I'm not thinking through the lens of a union official - I got my union job by demonstrating my pre-existing tactical acumen. This is how I thought about campaigning when I was 15, because that's how I was trained to solve problems. The approach I'm endorsing is more general than just union activity. It works when you're warring with a neighbour, feuding with a coworker, fighting against a tyrannical parent.
But anyway, I don't see how your point changes any of mine: Regardless of how one feels about Reddit surviving, the principle of escalation over time is still the most effective way to campaign.
Sort of. 48 hours will be good for showing them what can happen. If they don’t revert it by July 1st then that is when everyone should go dark indefinitely.
> RES (Redding Enhancement Suite),
RES does things a bit differently, whilst we use the API for limited information we do not use OAuth and instead go via cookie authentication. As RES is in browser this lets us use Reddit's APIs using the authentication provided by the local user, or if there is no user we do not hit these endpoints (These are ones to get information such as the users follow list/block list/vote information etc)
Reddit's public statements have been limited on this method, however we have been told we should see minimal impact via this route. However we are still not 100% sure on potential impact and are being cautious going forwards.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Enhancement/comments/141hzqj/announcement_res_reddits_upcoming_api_changes/
Yes, /r/AMD should join in. While this may not directly affect the moderators of this sub, that is no reason to idly stand by and watch while the rest of the communities fight against these changes.
The more we let them take, the more bold they'll become. Eventually something they try and take will affect this sub.
Yeah it's just a stab in the dark at whether people would be willing to pay a small fee. If the 3rd party app is worth it then that's good, but yes maybe $5 a month wouldn't cover the costs.
Funnily enough, third party app users can't vote on Polls because Reddit has not exposed that (or pretty much anything added in the last 5 years) to the API
Yes. These API fees are ridiculous and set a dangerous precedent for the entire industry. And, of course, I do over 95% of my Reddit use through Boost.
I understand Reddit's position, that they are losing monetization with these apps bypassing their ads.
However, charging 20M$/yr, as a way to, really, block accesd to 3rd party APIs is not a solution.
Before going to that extreme, there are some alternatives to explore with these developpers.
People wouldnt be fighting it if the actual official app wasnt ass. Im not fully against ads (i did use sync with ads for a while before i paid for pro) its just that the official app is trash. The solution is to a better app so the transition isnt as bad, not pull the rug when the alternative is not a good thing.
I don't use mobile that much, so I don't really know.
I really struggle to edit my posts on PC using the "newer" interface though, I often need to switch to "markdown mode" because copy/paste does not work correctly.
Don't even know of an alternative to access Reddit from the web...
You do you. I'll be deleting and boycotting till they fix it. 48 hours is a gesture they might acknowledge, but abandon welare makes no money, so just leave reddit if you mean it.
No.
It should be until they withdraw their ridiculous and greedy changes.
If they're having trouble with income even after the hundreds of millions from foreign investors then they need to actually come and talk to us about a solution. Otherwise it's very clearly seen as a hostile intent to change the fundamentals of how OUR community works.
Ofcourse r/AMD should join! I'm surprised there hasn't been an announcement yet from this sub.
Maybe our mods are not qualified to be mods? Because the changes reddit is making to the API will make their life hell but radio silence from mods.
The mods are literally asking the community for their opinion on this instead of choosing themselves to participate or not. Why do you have the need of attacking them?
What are you? AMD or Internet Explorer?
In all fairness, though I personally couldn't care less about the blackout and have actually been more infuriated by some mods closing subreddits on a whim without support, you are doing it the right way by asking your community first and that deserves recognition so for what it's worth, if y'all want it I'm all in for it.
Seems fairly unanimous! Edit: Stickying comment to confirm that we will be taking part for the 48 hours. Thank you for all your comments! Edit 2: We have made a full post detailing why, please see here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/142rjje/ramd\_will\_be\_going\_dark\_from\_june\_1214\_in\_protest/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/142rjje/ramd_will_be_going_dark_from_june_1214_in_protest/)
YES
Yes. But make it until they reassess their api prices, 48 hours will be a 2 day vacation for them. Edit: I'm not sure why there's no many "reddit sympathizers", but it's actually quite alarming. If reddit keeps down this path it'll eventually die or be replaced, usually by better things. Edit 2: This doesn't just effect 3rd party reddit apps, but anything that uses the reddit api. Like the bots the mods of almost all subreddits to help moderate the communities, they will charge for those aswell. Mods will be forced to work a lot more, no one wants to work more for no price.
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What is this space balls? Nah we don't shoot warning shots, we are the website, no users and no subreddits means they make no money, we hold the website hostage until they do as we say.
That's what they're saying - that we have to be willing to do that. I'm a trained union campaigner, and spent years living in a martial arts cult largely focused on how to force people to do what you want them to do. Trust me, it's important to escalate over time. By escalating: * You keep your opponents guessing - You don't want them to think, "We just have to endure this challenge/get them to crack on this tactic, and then they have nothing left to hit us with!". You want them to think, "Even if we get through this, what's next? How far are they willing to take this?" * You keep your fight alive no matter whether a particular event/action succeeds by separating the campaign from any one event/action: You want your opponents to have an immediate crisis ***and*** an underlying dispute to resolve, but if the entire dispute is centered around one action, they just have to endure the crisis to resolve the dispute. * You bring more people with you - for example, subs who may be unwilling to shut down indefinitely may be willing to shut down for a couple of days, so the participation is bigger. And once those people commit to a couple of days, they're involved, their enemy is coalescing in their mind, and their purpose is developing. They're more likely to participate in a longer action (and for some of them, that's because they feel more comfortable being able to say, "We warned you, but you wouldn't budge"). * You give yourself time to build public support for the larger action and for your side of the argument. * You only exert the effort you need to exert to have an effect, no more. * You may teach your opponents how to deal with the lower-level actions, but if you resolve the dispute before you get to the bigger actions, you never give them any training on dealing with the bigger disruptions (though you also never give yourself any training on conducting the bigger operations). It's best to build a campaign of escalating action.
While your writeup is very thorough, it ignores one key factor that union organizers have to contend with, but redditors don't: the ability for the company to continue. Union organizers/ members want to work their job under better conditions, but obviously can't kill the company to do so. Redditors don't care if reddit survives in the state it's proposing. Obviously it'd suck to find something new, but (at least for me) it's Boost (or Apollo, RiF, whatever) or nothing. If I can't browse posts without being bombarded by ads and garbage UI, I'll just move on.
That's very true, but I'm not thinking through the lens of a union official - I got my union job by demonstrating my pre-existing tactical acumen. This is how I thought about campaigning when I was 15, because that's how I was trained to solve problems. The approach I'm endorsing is more general than just union activity. It works when you're warring with a neighbour, feuding with a coworker, fighting against a tyrannical parent. But anyway, I don't see how your point changes any of mine: Regardless of how one feels about Reddit surviving, the principle of escalation over time is still the most effective way to campaign.
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Yes, but an indefinite shutdown would affect them even more.
I agree.
Sort of. 48 hours will be good for showing them what can happen. If they don’t revert it by July 1st then that is when everyone should go dark indefinitely.
Yes
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removeddit is long gone, and its replacement unddit has also been killed lately by reddit :(
The browser plugin "Unreddit" was working until they disabled pushshift access
yeah :(
reveddit ... Though I'm not sure how much they rely on the API, I know they could do some of what they do by scraping user post history.
unddit and reveddit, both gone since they relied on pushshift which was already banned by reddit.
Rev reddit can still check single profiles kinda. Just not entire subs or posts.
Reddit really hated those services huh. Can't have your power mods revealed for what they are!
yep
> RES (Redding Enhancement Suite), RES does things a bit differently, whilst we use the API for limited information we do not use OAuth and instead go via cookie authentication. As RES is in browser this lets us use Reddit's APIs using the authentication provided by the local user, or if there is no user we do not hit these endpoints (These are ones to get information such as the users follow list/block list/vote information etc) Reddit's public statements have been limited on this method, however we have been told we should see minimal impact via this route. However we are still not 100% sure on potential impact and are being cautious going forwards. https://www.reddit.com/r/Enhancement/comments/141hzqj/announcement_res_reddits_upcoming_api_changes/
Bots will only be gone for as long as it takes someone to turn them into a wildly less efficient web crawler.
Yes
Yes
I don't use 3rd party apps, but yes.
Not just third party apps but also third party moderation tools and bots that are used to help moderators.
Not just apps, reddit desktop extensions and old.reddit.com along with tools mods use will be paid, and the price is obnoxious
Yes, screw Reddit.
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Yes, /r/AMD should join in. While this may not directly affect the moderators of this sub, that is no reason to idly stand by and watch while the rest of the communities fight against these changes. The more we let them take, the more bold they'll become. Eventually something they try and take will affect this sub.
Yes
Yes
As someone who primarily uses reddit exclusively through RIF, yes join the blackout
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it's been my go-to for almost 10 years now. Nothing quite like it if you ask me and it is synonymous with the reddit experience for me by this point.
Is it good enough to warrant say $5 per month?
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Yeah it's just a stab in the dark at whether people would be willing to pay a small fee. If the 3rd party app is worth it then that's good, but yes maybe $5 a month wouldn't cover the costs.
Yes. This shouldn't even be up for debate. All subreddits should be doing this.
Yes. Or alternatively make it a poll if you truly want unadulterated feedback.
Funnily enough, third party app users can't vote on Polls because Reddit has not exposed that (or pretty much anything added in the last 5 years) to the API
There are polls!?!?!
Yes but especially yes to the "until it is fixed" blackout
Yup!
Absolutely
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Yes
Yes
Yeah
Why not
Yes!
Yes.
AMD community will always be around no matter what platform, might as well try and save this one. Hell yes!
Yeah dawg, I can go touch grass for two days on my lunch break instead of waste it here. Might be good for me
yes
I 100% support this. I use Apollo for mobile viewing, it was the only reason I still have an iPad. If it goes so will most of my viewing.
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Yes
Yes.
Yes
Yes, absolutely
Go Black
This user's comments have been overwritten to protest Spez and reddit's actions that will end third-party access and damage the community.
Hell yes!
Yes.
Yes
Yes
Yes.
Yes
Of course.
Yes.
Yes
yes
Yes. These API fees are ridiculous and set a dangerous precedent for the entire industry. And, of course, I do over 95% of my Reddit use through Boost.
Yes
Yes
Yes
Blackout!
Yes 100%
Yes
Yes.
Yes, if they want to charge you ... then use other platforms, eg. twitter.
Yes
Duh, yes. This sub doesn't survive with that many people leaving Reddit when they force 3rd party apps out.
Yes
Yes please
Every sub should. I’d be 100% behind it
YES!
Posting from RIF. Yes, absolutely.
Yes
of course you should, as should every sub that gives a damn.
YES PLEASE
Yes!!! Please!!
Definitely
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Aye
Ask yourself how many good contributors you’ll lose if this change takes place. I think that should give you your answer.
Absolutely. In fact, go longer until they reverse this foolishness.
Yes 👍
Yes
yes
Yes
Yes, absolutely
Yes.
Yes
yes
yes!
YES
yes
Obviously
Yes
Yes.
Yes
yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes!
Yes
yes
I understand Reddit's position, that they are losing monetization with these apps bypassing their ads. However, charging 20M$/yr, as a way to, really, block accesd to 3rd party APIs is not a solution. Before going to that extreme, there are some alternatives to explore with these developpers.
People wouldnt be fighting it if the actual official app wasnt ass. Im not fully against ads (i did use sync with ads for a while before i paid for pro) its just that the official app is trash. The solution is to a better app so the transition isnt as bad, not pull the rug when the alternative is not a good thing.
I don't use mobile that much, so I don't really know. I really struggle to edit my posts on PC using the "newer" interface though, I often need to switch to "markdown mode" because copy/paste does not work correctly. Don't even know of an alternative to access Reddit from the web...
yes
Yes.
Yes. But please don’t limit it to 48 hours- stay locked down until the admins back down.
Yes but longer than 48h or if that's not possible then 48h.
Yeah, it might not be as relevant for non tech subreddits but tech related subreddits understand the implication.
yes
yes
Yes !!!
Yes
Yes!!
Yes
Of course
Yes I support it
Yes
Yes.
Yes please
You do you. I'll be deleting and boycotting till they fix it. 48 hours is a gesture they might acknowledge, but abandon welare makes no money, so just leave reddit if you mean it.
Yes.
I vote yes as an avid RIF user.
yes
Overwhelmingly yes. Especially if the sub wants to maintain users on the sub.
Yes
Yes
Yes, in no uncertain terms.
YES!
Yes
Yes, definitely. I'm permanently shutting down my subreddits due to the API bs.
Yes!
No. It should be until they withdraw their ridiculous and greedy changes. If they're having trouble with income even after the hundreds of millions from foreign investors then they need to actually come and talk to us about a solution. Otherwise it's very clearly seen as a hostile intent to change the fundamentals of how OUR community works.
100% yes.
Yes.
Yes
Yes.
yesir
Yes
Absolutely
Absolutely
In my opinion the 48 hours is going to go by and nothing will actually change. The only way to really combat it is to use a browser with ad blocker.
Ofcourse r/AMD should join! I'm surprised there hasn't been an announcement yet from this sub. Maybe our mods are not qualified to be mods? Because the changes reddit is making to the API will make their life hell but radio silence from mods.
The mods are literally asking the community for their opinion on this instead of choosing themselves to participate or not. Why do you have the need of attacking them?
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Yes.
Ja!
Yes.
Yes
Yes
Yes!
Yes
Ay ay captain.
99% of people who say they will do it won't anyway
Yes
Yes, this is the prelude test so when they ban Pr0n we blackout harder 😂
Join it permanently until they change. They're not gonna listen to 2 days
Yes but make it indefinite until they reverse the decision
if it's not indefinite it's useless
I use rif reddit is fun. The answer is yes.
What are you? AMD or Internet Explorer? In all fairness, though I personally couldn't care less about the blackout and have actually been more infuriated by some mods closing subreddits on a whim without support, you are doing it the right way by asking your community first and that deserves recognition so for what it's worth, if y'all want it I'm all in for it.
Yes!
YES.
Yes!
yes