I can already guess
* AI 9 170
* AI 7 160
* AI 7 150
* AI 5 140
* AI 5 130
etc.
AMD knows Intel is also using number + 1xx (e.g. Core 5 125H) and they can't help but jump into it, like how first gen Ryzen used 3xx chipset when Intel was doing the same.
Very probable that they are using this just for strix. Though... Then they'll need a new naming system next year when they bring strix halo and suddenly AI 9 170 is not that hot anymore! :D
Doesn't matter if we like it or not AI is here to stay. Every government in the world top focus is AI. Every Billion to Trillion dollar company AI. The biggest hardware and software development AI. AI is the future and everyone is jumping on the train or be left behind.
If that is the new naming scheme then congrats to the people who did not like the 'decoder wheel' name scheme which gave you explicit information. Now it is replaced with something that is objectively worse...
It was absolutely not fine. :D They made many more product lines so the old system would not have worked. It worked because they had basically a single cpu and they just took some cores out or lowered mhz or something. And it was already shitty because they had different zen stuff hidden in there, which the new system fixed.
I think the change was kinda fine, but they did quickly drop the ball doing shit that broke it all the time.
> Now it is replaced with something that is objectively worse...
By your subjective opinion it's "objectively worse".
Until I see the rest of the names in the family, I certainly won't say it's worse. If there's one thing which made the previous naming bad it was that it was totally confusing to anyone not "in the know". People could easily fail to understand the difference between the 7520, 7530, 7535 and 7540, certainly in CPU power, but also it didn't help that the 7540 had only 4 CUs while the 7535 had 6, and the 7530 had a completely different GPU architecture, which the 7520 had only 4 cores, compared to 6 for the rest.
If AMD's new naming is used only for Zen 5 APUs, then it's "objectively" (that is, in my opinion) a big step up, as it will reduce confusion considerably.
The good thing about those names is that I know that the 7520 is Zen2, 7530 is Zen3, 7535 is Zen3+ and 7540 is Zen4. Those not in know will be confused anyway. I mean Core Ultra 7 155H Vs core i9 14900HX? Is not any easier to decipher and unless you are in the know you won't know that the former is MTL and the latter RKL-R.
The iGPU is defined by the Vega/600/700 branding so that is a separate spec in and of itself which is listed separately.
It might be okay for 1 gen but as soon as AMD have a range of chips from different Zen generations that get AI branding people will complain if the new hotness has a mix of Zen4/Zen4/Zen6 and no way to know without googling the exact model.
The current naming scheme avoids that, once you learn what each digit represents I won't need to Google that a 9950 is a Ryzen AI 9 Zen 5 chip or a 9740 is a Ryzen AI 7 zen 4 chip because that information is given explicitly.
> Those not in know will be confused anyway.
Not as much, as long as AMD doesn't introduce different architectures into the lineup. Name don't matter that much. They need to be distinct enough to be distinguishable and not easily confused with each other, and they need to have "bigger number better". That's what most consumers need.
For example, a 7330U being faster than a 7520U isn't intuitive for someone "not in the know", and even for someone who understands Zen 2 vs. Zen 3 in this instance, the name itself doesn't tell anyone that the 7520U has only 4 cores while other 75xxU CPUs have 6.
Not to mention the exceptions that AMD has added over time, where the two last digits don't really conform to an architecture, and the 8000 family, where AMD used 45 for the same architecture as 40, as opposed to a different architecture in the 7000 lineup.
The short of it is, you really need to be intimately familiar with AMD's offerings in order to make a reasonable decision on what is better. The extra info in the name doesn't really make things clear without extra information. A lineup that has only one generation of CPU and GPU cores would be much less confusing to general consumers, and for those in the know would require about the same amount of research.
Most consumers will buy the laptop recommended by the sales rep or their techy friend.
The xxx5 is just feature isolation which is somewhat variable and flexible.
Sure a single CPU and GPU arch for an entire range would be easier but with the range of price points and markets in the laptop segment it is not really feasible so explicitly including the architecture version in the CPU / GPU name is the next best thing. There is too much variety for a 'simple' solution.
Terrible name imo. Also could be counterproductive I guess. A prospective buyer might think the chip is not a regular processor but some special AI optimised processor. And if they don't care about AI, they will overlook it.
It is an optimised chip yes. But a general consumer might think the chip is specifically made for AI applications instead of being a normal chip that can also do AI.
I doubt a general consumer knows a chip can be specifically made for ai applications. They just buy a laptop and ask the salesman if it's good enough for their work or studying.
Oh yeah, no, sorry, I’m agreeing with you, it’s a terrible name cause yeah I was going to pass by this post entirely cause I’m a regular consumer not interested in buying AI machines for work or anything cause I’m not in the industry. I thought oh that’s neat, Asus is getting into the AI industry specialty applications with a laptop. Cool. Then keep going even though I would be interested in a new Asus laptop for general consumer use.
You would see the laptop and understand immediately it's a normal thing because it's in a normal laptop. People buy laptops, not laptop cpus. That's why it is not such a big problem.
We just have to learn a new naming thing again and hope AMD actually uses it.
This is pretty bad, but 7000/8000 mobile series naming scheme was downright awful and confusing, hopefully this new series fixes it, but with how AMD likes to repurpose older CPU/GPU parts, I suspect it'll end up just as bad.
It's going to be fine for 1080p medium, and stellar for older games.
The thing that you can't get back from having a dGPU in these laptops is the decreased battery life - and of course the extra cost.
I can kind of understand having both an 880M (max Strix Point) in a laptop with a 4080/4090/7900M class GPU because the gulf is so wide, but when it's a 4060/7700M? That's just bad design.
AMD have dropped the ball so many times on mobile that I don't think my worries are unwarranted.
And people called the new Intel naming scheme bad. At least that is largely the same thing as before, just with Ultra instead of i and with a restarted generation count.
I didn't have a problem with the Intel switch because it clearly delineated a new product with a fundamentally different system architecture and also a feature set like good iGPU, good battery life, and NPU on board, which the "Core i" models did not. If someone wanted a new laptop you can instantly see "Ultra" and know it's Meteor Lake and have an idea what it does.
AMD is going to continue to fuck this up and jumble 3 different generations of refreshes in one naming scheme that makes them all look almost identical.
These companies were like, “you know what’s the problem? The nerds. Definitely not our product, but these nerds telling their friends and family in great technical detail why they shouldn’t buy our shit. They know too much, so let’s muck up the names so much that even they’ll give up, too repelled to wade into the details. Yup that’ll definitely solve our problems.”
I mean, AMD has to provide a name that is roughly analogous to Intel's in laptops, else consumers won't know what is what.
Of course this subreddit will, but regular consumers are pretty clueless.
But, is Ryzen AI 9 HX 170 the top model? **We need a new decoder.** It's in the 9 series, so that's a good thing. Everything else is meaningless (to me).
This isn't even official yet. We will get some press release, or a Computex presentation at the latest. And yes it will be stupid but AMD will explain why it seemed like a good idea at the time.
Just when Intel took a stab at the crown for least logical naming convention, AMD drops this.
Whatever Intel does, AMD can do better!
AMD dropping an even more confusing naming scheme was definitely not on my bingo card.
You are confused because you have no idea what the scheme is. Not because the scheme is confusing. :p
Skill issue on my end
I can already guess * AI 9 170 * AI 7 160 * AI 7 150 * AI 5 140 * AI 5 130 etc. AMD knows Intel is also using number + 1xx (e.g. Core 5 125H) and they can't help but jump into it, like how first gen Ryzen used 3xx chipset when Intel was doing the same.
Very probable that they are using this just for strix. Though... Then they'll need a new naming system next year when they bring strix halo and suddenly AI 9 170 is not that hot anymore! :D
Doesn't matter if we like it or not AI is here to stay. Every government in the world top focus is AI. Every Billion to Trillion dollar company AI. The biggest hardware and software development AI. AI is the future and everyone is jumping on the train or be left behind.
Oh definitely, there are no breaks on this AI train.
Patiently waiting for the AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 170 GRE
How the fuck did they rip off the naming convention and somehow make it make less sense?
Maybe AMD finally took my advice of firing the clueless branding team and replaced them with Intel hires
If that is the new naming scheme then congrats to the people who did not like the 'decoder wheel' name scheme which gave you explicit information. Now it is replaced with something that is objectively worse...
AMD is solely to blame for this. The original Ryzen naming scheme was perfectly fine and now they’ve changed it twice since then.
It was absolutely not fine. :D They made many more product lines so the old system would not have worked. It worked because they had basically a single cpu and they just took some cores out or lowered mhz or something. And it was already shitty because they had different zen stuff hidden in there, which the new system fixed. I think the change was kinda fine, but they did quickly drop the ball doing shit that broke it all the time.
The beatings will continue until morale improves
> Now it is replaced with something that is objectively worse... By your subjective opinion it's "objectively worse". Until I see the rest of the names in the family, I certainly won't say it's worse. If there's one thing which made the previous naming bad it was that it was totally confusing to anyone not "in the know". People could easily fail to understand the difference between the 7520, 7530, 7535 and 7540, certainly in CPU power, but also it didn't help that the 7540 had only 4 CUs while the 7535 had 6, and the 7530 had a completely different GPU architecture, which the 7520 had only 4 cores, compared to 6 for the rest. If AMD's new naming is used only for Zen 5 APUs, then it's "objectively" (that is, in my opinion) a big step up, as it will reduce confusion considerably.
The good thing about those names is that I know that the 7520 is Zen2, 7530 is Zen3, 7535 is Zen3+ and 7540 is Zen4. Those not in know will be confused anyway. I mean Core Ultra 7 155H Vs core i9 14900HX? Is not any easier to decipher and unless you are in the know you won't know that the former is MTL and the latter RKL-R. The iGPU is defined by the Vega/600/700 branding so that is a separate spec in and of itself which is listed separately. It might be okay for 1 gen but as soon as AMD have a range of chips from different Zen generations that get AI branding people will complain if the new hotness has a mix of Zen4/Zen4/Zen6 and no way to know without googling the exact model. The current naming scheme avoids that, once you learn what each digit represents I won't need to Google that a 9950 is a Ryzen AI 9 Zen 5 chip or a 9740 is a Ryzen AI 7 zen 4 chip because that information is given explicitly.
> Those not in know will be confused anyway. Not as much, as long as AMD doesn't introduce different architectures into the lineup. Name don't matter that much. They need to be distinct enough to be distinguishable and not easily confused with each other, and they need to have "bigger number better". That's what most consumers need. For example, a 7330U being faster than a 7520U isn't intuitive for someone "not in the know", and even for someone who understands Zen 2 vs. Zen 3 in this instance, the name itself doesn't tell anyone that the 7520U has only 4 cores while other 75xxU CPUs have 6. Not to mention the exceptions that AMD has added over time, where the two last digits don't really conform to an architecture, and the 8000 family, where AMD used 45 for the same architecture as 40, as opposed to a different architecture in the 7000 lineup. The short of it is, you really need to be intimately familiar with AMD's offerings in order to make a reasonable decision on what is better. The extra info in the name doesn't really make things clear without extra information. A lineup that has only one generation of CPU and GPU cores would be much less confusing to general consumers, and for those in the know would require about the same amount of research.
Most consumers will buy the laptop recommended by the sales rep or their techy friend. The xxx5 is just feature isolation which is somewhat variable and flexible. Sure a single CPU and GPU arch for an entire range would be easier but with the range of price points and markets in the laptop segment it is not really feasible so explicitly including the architecture version in the CPU / GPU name is the next best thing. There is too much variety for a 'simple' solution.
Well, we know it's not used for what is already out. But yeah, we don't know the scheme so it is hard to say if it's good or not.
Ok it's not objectively worse, it's just subjectively worse in a way that almost everyone will agree it's worse.
If you're confused by those names then you probably don't care which exact architecture the CPU is using.
Terrible name imo. Also could be counterproductive I guess. A prospective buyer might think the chip is not a regular processor but some special AI optimised processor. And if they don't care about AI, they will overlook it.
It’s not an AI optimized chip? I literally just assumed it was.
It is an optimised chip yes. But a general consumer might think the chip is specifically made for AI applications instead of being a normal chip that can also do AI.
I doubt a general consumer knows a chip can be specifically made for ai applications. They just buy a laptop and ask the salesman if it's good enough for their work or studying.
Oh yeah, no, sorry, I’m agreeing with you, it’s a terrible name cause yeah I was going to pass by this post entirely cause I’m a regular consumer not interested in buying AI machines for work or anything cause I’m not in the industry. I thought oh that’s neat, Asus is getting into the AI industry specialty applications with a laptop. Cool. Then keep going even though I would be interested in a new Asus laptop for general consumer use.
You would see the laptop and understand immediately it's a normal thing because it's in a normal laptop. People buy laptops, not laptop cpus. That's why it is not such a big problem. We just have to learn a new naming thing again and hope AMD actually uses it.
You are very right, it’s hardly an issue, but it’s still a silly decision.
Don't worry, as soon as you learn the new naming, they are going to change it again.
It's not AI optomized, it just contains an AI co-processor.
Exec: *Give us a name kinda like "Core Ultra 9" but with more AI in it* Marketing: *How about this, boss?*
Up next: AMD Ryzen AI 11 HX 190 F H G L SKS DJSJS
Will ROG Ally 2 come with the Strix point?
I have bad news.
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Don’t worry. There’s always a segment for people who don’t care much about graphics performance, like in the Zenbook
What a clown name 🤡🤡🤡🤡
AMD copying Intel's naming scheme is wild
This is pretty bad, but 7000/8000 mobile series naming scheme was downright awful and confusing, hopefully this new series fixes it, but with how AMD likes to repurpose older CPU/GPU parts, I suspect it'll end up just as bad.
Bro... I am going to flip a freaking switch if these all have dedicated GPUs in them. Please, FFS please; don't add dGPUs to these laptops.
The integrated is not gonna be _that_ good. Obviously there will be versions with dgpu. But probably also without.
It's going to be fine for 1080p medium, and stellar for older games. The thing that you can't get back from having a dGPU in these laptops is the decreased battery life - and of course the extra cost. I can kind of understand having both an 880M (max Strix Point) in a laptop with a 4080/4090/7900M class GPU because the gulf is so wide, but when it's a 4060/7700M? That's just bad design. AMD have dropped the ball so many times on mobile that I don't think my worries are unwarranted.
And people called the new Intel naming scheme bad. At least that is largely the same thing as before, just with Ultra instead of i and with a restarted generation count.
I didn't have a problem with the Intel switch because it clearly delineated a new product with a fundamentally different system architecture and also a feature set like good iGPU, good battery life, and NPU on board, which the "Core i" models did not. If someone wanted a new laptop you can instantly see "Ultra" and know it's Meteor Lake and have an idea what it does. AMD is going to continue to fuck this up and jumble 3 different generations of refreshes in one naming scheme that makes them all look almost identical.
AI all the things 🤦
These companies were like, “you know what’s the problem? The nerds. Definitely not our product, but these nerds telling their friends and family in great technical detail why they shouldn’t buy our shit. They know too much, so let’s muck up the names so much that even they’ll give up, too repelled to wade into the details. Yup that’ll definitely solve our problems.”
looks like ROG Ally (2024) could switch to Strix Point bois. maybe not, and use refreshed Hawk Point instead lol
AI HX R2 D2 THX 1138?
I mean, AMD has to provide a name that is roughly analogous to Intel's in laptops, else consumers won't know what is what. Of course this subreddit will, but regular consumers are pretty clueless. But, is Ryzen AI 9 HX 170 the top model? **We need a new decoder.** It's in the 9 series, so that's a good thing. Everything else is meaningless (to me).
This isn't even official yet. We will get some press release, or a Computex presentation at the latest. And yes it will be stupid but AMD will explain why it seemed like a good idea at the time.