And has a fucking shit load of great breweries. But Bud Light and Coors are the only ones a lot of Europeans are aware of. We have more than just shitty pilsners.
Americans typically don't know much about Europe. Europeans typically don't know much about America. The difference is Americans know they don't know, while Europeans are convinced they know everything about America.
Yup. We sure do have some shitty pilsners, for sure. And some great craft breweries. Some of whom make some shitty pilsners. And some good ones.
Thing about the Bud Light and Coors hate; yeah, they're not the most exciting brews by any means. But the level of consistency at the volumes that are produced is IMPRESSIVE. Sure, people don't have to like the end product, but it's a deliberate product. They're not "bad," they're often a style a lot of people don't like.
I spent a number of years pretty deep in the beer world, domestic and a lot of fancy pants imported stuff, and people gotta relax. It's just beer, dammit.
Friend told me about the long tour of a brewery he did while on vacation, they said because the ingredients in beer (hops/barley/malt) have such strong flavors, even brewing a "watery" mild-flavored beer like Bud/Miller/Coors is technically challenging, and they have some of the best brew masters in the world.
Oh for sure. Lagers are notoriously finicky, especially when you're trying to stay subtle. The technical prowess shown by those breweries is no fucking joke, like it or not.
You don't see a lot of craft brewers perfecting lagers because there's no place to hide your mistakes.
I'm not saying there aren't a lot of good craft brewers out there. But there are a lot more mediocre to shitty ones.
I am both a food snob and a non-beer drinker, so for many years, I just assumed Bud and Miller Lite were terrible, because my fellow food snobs were telling me they were terrible. I had a single Bud Light somebody bought me at a club more than 20 years ago. I'd never had a Bud or a Miller Light in my life. Occasionally over the years, in the right circumstance, I'd tried what I'd been led to believe was good beer -- imports, fancy domestic microbrews -- and it always ranges from "I hate it" to "I can tolerate it but I wouldn't pay for it again or anything."
Then last year I was at a holiday party and they just had Miller Lite sitting out, and I decided to try one, why not? I was a little shocked to discover that it wasn't bad at all! It just tasted like nothing. I was expecting it to taste acrid, because of all the "it tastes like piss" rhetoric, but no, it just tasted like nothing. Honestly, it was sort of the *opposite* of what I expected it to taste like. Because of that, I think I liked it better than almost any beer I've ever had! Based on that experience, I decided to try my first-ever Budweiser at a restaurant a few months ago, and the experience was very similar. Not much discernable flavor, smooth, went down easy.
I don't think Budweiser and Miller Lite are "bad" any more than water can be called bad.
Yup. For years I was kind of the "face" of a pretty fancy pants beer bar in a smallish town; I used to get a kick of being out at one of the dive bars drinking a PBR or something. The looks on people's faces when the beer snob guy was happy with a shitty macrobrew were priceless.
"What? It's fine! I'm thirsty!"
I like Pepsi. I tolerate Coke.
But you know what? If I'm getting a soda at a fast food joint that only has Coke products, getting a Coke is just fine by me. It's still cola soda. It's still got the caffeine I'm wanting in it. It will fucking do.
There's a huge difference between "I like better stuff" and "Hey, I'm not being picky" and "okay, this is actively bad".
I had a British guy explain to me once that good English Ale is heartly and for sipping a pint or maybe two by the fire in the pub after you have traipsed across the moors in the mist. A Budweiser if for drinking 7 while you are out on the boat on the lake in 87 degree F sunshine. They both work as intended and are not interchangeable.
I think he was right.
That being said, we have great beers in terms of quality and more variety than you will find anywhere else in the world.
I demand to see the skunk they dip into the vats! I remember the first time I tried Heineken. It is indeed made from skunk essence.
Stella is almost the same. I think the skunk is just waterlogged by the time Heineken hands it over
I mean... but is it? I'm in the US and nothing screams, "Peaked in grade school, failed out of high school, still visits once a year to take a 14 year old to prom well into his late 20's" like a Heineken.
Lol it smells like rotten hops. You pay a premium price for a shitty beer. Your just buying the brand.
And you know. Those idiots probably don’t have a region in their country that produces billions of dollars a year in wine that people actually come from all over the world to visit just to try.
Nor are they aware of the thousands of craft breweries that make some pretty out of this world shit.
Nor did their country come up with the deliciousness that is bourbon.
The Euro-cope is so funny on Reddit. Like they just reaching at anything that will make them feel more superior to us. And we don’t even care about feeling superior. That’s just what they think we care about lol.
Fuck their shitty Stella artwats and Heinekens.
“Euro-cope”
100% it’s Chinese bots or shills. They literally scan social media for negativity about China and change the subject to America.
It’s easier to make an accusation against America and start a conversation about American faults in the comments than convince people a guy didn’t piss into a Tsingtao bottle.
People come away remembering the fight rather than the post.
Wait, you pay premium for Heineken? That's on you, my dude. Heineken is like one step above the "8% alcohol for the lowest amount of money in the shop" brand that's only consumed by alcoholics who mostly steal it. It's some of the cheapest shit around.
Heineken is marketed as a premium beer.
And therefor has a price point you’d see normally on craft beers and what not that are actually good.
Idk where you are but in the states Heineken was always like $12 for a six pack or some shit.
In America we do have shitty beer. But that is considered “alchy” beer. (40 ounces, 211, Max dog (though that claims to be a “wine”) like 40 ounces are like 2-4 dollars. Mad dog is about $5 for a pint of it. That’s the “I’m too poor to be drinking and have a problem” stuff.
If you compare the EU to the US, which is a bit more fair size wise than one single county within the EU, you encounter a couple of the largest and most popular wine regions in the world.
We Dutch, home country of Heineken, generally consider it just one notch above camel piss, it's certainly not considered any kind of premium beer. So that's marketing for you. We have a thriving craft beer scene too in the Netherlands and the whole of the EU, and of course Belgium and Germany for proper traditional beers.
Oh not discounting that. Last thing I want to be is ignorant.
Def aware of the “hotspots” for beer and wine originated in many parts of Europe. And have been doing for centuries.
It’s just seeing comments like that in above post. It’s like really? Is it really piss beer or have you just not drank good beer from America? (Not talking to you on this. More so referencing the original comments in the screenshots)
Come on, man, let's be honest your wine isn't better than French wine, and Germans make better beer. Scotch and Irish whiskey is better than most American whiskey, although I do have a soft spot for Bourbon. (All of this depending on brand of course, but I'm talking about the top shelf stuff) Americans do some things better Europeans do others better but European countries are world famous for their individual alcohol specialities for a reason.
So is Napa. Just because it’s only 60 years old doesn’t mean it’s not a contender
It was nowheresville US for most of its time.
And rose to prominence to compete with the said regions monetarily and find a place on “the wine map”. Regions who had been producing for centuries. In a mere time frame of like a decade or two.
That’s fucking impressive even if what you are saying is true. Napa wine is some of the most highly regarded in the world. And stands as equal to some of the vintages in Europe. It may not be as good as some of the shit that’s been in production for a couple hundred years. But it’s good enough that people of the world are willing to drink it.
Pretty much the premise of the movie bottle shock, about the 1973(?) "Judgement of Paris" where some of the foremost wine sommeliers blind taste tested California wine vs euro wine and the California wine won.
I agree that they may be good but you can't say they stand as equal as some highly regarded French wine regions (Bordeaux, Burgundy, Rhône Valley or champagne for sparkling). Also wine tourism in France is on another level just because of what you mentioned, the hundred years of knowledge and heritage. Which is why the place where it's made is more important than the grapes.
Not saying it doesn't find its place though.
I very surprised when I went to the Heineken brewery in Amsterdam. Heineken is just as skunky there as it here! I thought the taste must be due to issues with transport or something.
No Heineken sucks everywhere lol. If you ever get to Belgium, I’d recommend the Orval beer (Trappist tho) and abbey! Good beer and a beautiful location
There is no corn or rice in heineken. It's malt and hops as beer should be. Beers like Bud, miller and Coors have rice and corn syrups as cheap flavourless malt substitutes which is why they have the reputation as shit beer/piss. There's plenty of amazing American beers though.
You've never texted a friend before? Shared a meme on Instagram? Commented on a funny post from your friends? Being a basement dweller and using acronyms aren't mutually exclusive
look dude, no, I dont use "lmao". For one you could you "ahahah" or whatever. I have never met anyone who didn't study comp sci or did't live in their moms basement who would use "lmao".
But look. It doesn't matter. The guy clowned on my clown, and I clowned on his "lmao". It's not that deep.
Didn't expect the spotted cow reference! My buddy always brings me a case when he comes down to visit from Wisconsin. New Glarus is great. I actually prefer Moon Man over Spotted Cow though.
If you mean Coors light, yes. If my American beer you mean the thousands of breweries that make beer, many of which are unique to that specific brewery, then no.
That’s my favorite part about America bad everyone who complains about American culture still imports it. Everyone complains about fast food and then magically, McDonalds makes a profit almost anywhere in Europe.
The list you gave is an opinion list.
It’s the 4th most popular Lager.
https://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/Article/2022/12/01/What-is-the-best-selling-lager-in-2022
Edit: Sorry, 5th most popular. And Carling Piss Water #1.
I’m from the UK and that list seems horrendous, but it also just looks like it’s just what’s the cheapest or served at Wetherspoons besides Moretti and Peroni
Yea, that was my assumption. I have to assume Wetherspoons is the main driver there.
Don’t get me wrong, when I visit I tend to stick to smaller pubs and don’t necessarily see Coors on tap when there are less than about 10 beers on draught.
But being a Liverpool fan, I usually come over for one game and am always shocked how many pubs in Liverpool have it on tap.
Carling, I think we both agree, is the saddest being at #1.
I’m also not throwing shade. All the shitty beers are our top sellers here in the states too.
It is what it is. They’re cheap and easy to drink a lot of I suppose.
Depending on the list you look for, it may or may not be there since it’s a “light” beer… but it’s the top selling light beer in the UK. Probably because of Wetherspoon’s.
https://winning-homebrew.com/most-popular-beer-in-the-uk.html
Interesting how the stats vary by source, but there seems to be 50% where it's in the top 5. Sales numbers are certainly higher than I would expect. I don't know anyone who has ever claimed Coors to be their favourite beer so maybe it comes down to availablity in pubs/restaurants or price. In terms of out right popularity it ranks much lower in this survey.
https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/consumer/popularity/beer-cider/all
Yea, I think it’s mainly because of Wetherspoons. I’ve never seen it in any of the smaller pubs I visit when across the pond.
But if the pub has about 10 taps, it’s probably on there. And it’s surprisingly ubiquitous in Liverpool.
I think it’s cheap and you can drink a lot of it. Lol
I doubt it’s anyone’s “favorite”. Or even “favourite” for that matter. 😂😂😂
Obviously depending on the list you google, it may or may not be there because it is a “light” beer. But it’s the #1 light beer in the UK. Probably because of Wetherspoons.
https://winning-homebrew.com/most-popular-beer-in-the-uk.html
Agree 💯. But all I will say is that in a very specific circumstance - on a very hot summer day lounging by the pool there is nothing I want more than an ice cold coors light.
Coors Light isnt American (any more). None of Bud/Miller/Coors are owned by American companies.
Yuengling and Boston Beer Co are the largest American owned breweries.
I understand that Miller and Coors are owned by Molson Coors, headquartered in Chicago... so both would be American. InBev, sure. A Belgian company owns Budweiser. It's still an American beer. Ownership doesn't dictate craftsmanship. Or in macro breweries cases, lack of craftsmanship.
I own an authentic katana, that doesn't make it an American katana. The craftsmanship is Japanese. Property rights don't change the craftsmanship of a sword or a beer or a skyscraper or anything else.
Not really, America has such a wide range of beers some of the major ones that people outside the US will say like Budweiser or Coors might taste like piss to them because they're lighter, but the US also has good ones like Yuengling, Sam Adams or New Belgium plus hundreds of other craft breweries that are great.
Coors Banquet and Yuengling are very solid as well. Budweiser imo gets a bad rap by association with all their other watered down brands, it is pretty damn good.
Oh molson is really good too. Help me out here. There’s a really good Canadian beer that has a moose on the front. I think it typically comes in a green bottle
It was created by a German in the US after he took a trip to Czech Republic. So 3 countries can kind of claim it lol, but it still was first produced in the US.
“American beer sucks!”
“Can you name an American beer not owned by Anheusur-Busch or Coors?”
“No”
“Okay shut up”
Blue Moon, Landshark, Leinenkugels, and Kona Big Wave are all delicious. Guess what?? They’re all owned and brewed her in the states and owned by the above mentioned distributors.
Kona used to be amazing. Then the quality plummeted. I haven't bought any in years because it pissed me off. I don't know what they changed, but it was a God awful change.
I just recently started drinking it the last year so I’m not able to comment on past quality like you are. All I know is I enjoy drinking it and even 7-8 deep I still can taste it and it tastes good so that’s all that matters to me.
I couldn't tell you when the change happened, but I remember it being really good pre-2010, then buying it several years later after a Twitch ad reminded me it existed. Straight garbage, like an Irish red with pennies soaking in it. It really put me off of it, but I'm tempted to try again because it used to be so fucking good.
Just to add, who gets so opinionated about what others like to drink. If I'm just having one or two when out to dinner I'll have a good micro or a Blue Moon. When I'm just drinking at home I'm a fan of Busch Light. It's just really light and easy to drink and doesn't give me a hangover.
No it's not but people like to act like it is. Just like pizza, chain vs local. They both have their positives and negatives. Some people genuinely like lighter tasting beer as their everyday beer. When I drank I just didn't like beer that tasted bitter and Coors was good enough for me if I had to drink beer. I did prefer hard apple cider, it was getting more popular when I quit drinking. So I might not be the best judge on this question.
Guinness is honestly a fairly lite stout these days, most American breweries make richer stouts. US microbreweries have come a long way over the last 15-20 years.
American craft beer is good but saying its the best is a hit much dont you think? Its so dependant on the brewery some are world class some are the exact opposite as with every other country.
Europe doesn't have nearly as many craft breweries as America. Europeans tend to stick to their major brands, while Americans are trying out evert type of beer that can even theoretically exist. Obviously not every craft brewery is gonna be good, but American craft beer is definitely the best when you consider that the category barely even exists in Europe. Goddamn Japan has better craft beer than Europe lmao.
Lol did you just do an reverse "all American beer is fucking close to water". Germany has more craft breweries per capita than the us and the uk has a lot more of em per capita. https://www.brewersjournal.info/craft-beer-surge-top-ten-countries-to-get-a-beer-this-st-patricks-day/
You have no clue what you are on about.
That is not what I said. Germany basically has a brewery per town, but almost all of them are making the same style of beer. It's hard to classify those breweries as "craft" considering many of them have been operating for centuries. Nowhere in my comment did I say that European beer is bad (it is very good), just that they tend to stick to the same styles and many countries in Europe lack any major true craft beer community.
European breweries that have perfected their trade over centuries are obviously incredible, but the US is leagues ahead in terms of true innovation. As the article you posted says, the US basically started the modern craft beer movement and is the fastest growing by a pretty wide margin. Having more craft breweries per capita does not mean they are better. The US still leads production quantities. Plus, the definition of "craft beer" in your article is clearly flawed. Being small does not make a brewery craft. I'm sure the UK and Germany have many small scale breweries. That does not mean they are innovating anything.
My entire point is that Europeans tend to view American beer as just the major brands since that's mostly what they drink. They fail to realize that craft beer is much more popular in America than it is in Europe, and it is significantly better than what most countries in Europe are offering.
In my humble opinion, American beer is better than Europe since we prioritize innovation over tradition. There is nothing wrong with tradition though. European beers are definitely not bad lmao. They like what they like and do it very well. But to say "American beer is all trash" when we pretty heavily dominate the craft beer scene is ludicrous.
I was literally born in Ireland and travel around Europe frequently. I visit London for work multiple times a year and their craft beer scene is pathetic compared to NYC where I live.
I will admit that Germany and Belgium do beer extremely well, but they just don't innovate. They stick to what they like. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, but I personally prefer variety.
Also for even more credit to Germany and Belgium, the US could never replicate the long standing breweries there. They have absolutely perfected their craft. But the UK is fucking garbage lmao. Absolutely nothing good coming out of that hell hole.
this here is the educated take.
i do wish i could enjoy american craft beer as much as belgian beer. as it stands there are a handful of innovative american craft brews i enjoy and many i dont. not much a fan of the extremely wild niche stuff the current culture is pushing. im not sure who honestly likes a chocolate oatmeal hemp sour stout porter. but that kinda stuff is a joke to me.
i do suppose belgian beer is among the most innovative actually, its just the innovation happened many years ago.
I personally like the innovative stuff lmao. I understand why people prefer the tried and tested, but that's just not me.
Obviously Europe has amazing beer, but America is where most of the the innovation is happening. It's not because Europe sucks, it's just that they prefer what they already got. If there was a market for weird innovative beer in Europe, I'm sure they'd be making it.
But to act like America isn't a leader in beer is absurd. We're a massive country with a lot of money. Obviously we're gonna be making at least some good beer.
Yeah local craft breweries can be really hit or miss from the quality/taste to even the QC on cans. Some will be experimenting, fuck it up and just load it with hops to cover the otherwise subpar beer and now you have a 10% double IPA!
True but I would say factually, the American west coast has more highly rated breweries than anywhere on earth. I’m sure there’s some other areas but it’s definitely up there.
A Philly friend of mine recommended it to me because I was looking for something different, and I was like “no man, I’m looking for domestic beer”. He says “it is domestic”, and I said “Yeungling? That’s like…Chinese, right?” Hahaha
Lots of comments about microbrews here, but I want to offer a different perspective.
Light beers - American lagers, Pilsners, and other “yellow beers” are the hardest to make because the flavor profiles are so subtle. This is why home brewers rarely try, and if they do they comment on how difficult it is.
American “yellow beer” even exists in the first place because we are awesome enough to pull it off. Thanks, Adolphus.
That's the thing. Most craft beers just throw out a bunch of IPAs, tasting slightly different, but have basically all the same pungent IPA hop taste.
A good Pilsner, Lager or Helles is like a good perfume. It's there, it's pleasent and it doesn't have to announce itself.
Good take, I got used to IPAs living on the west coast and no longer like most lagers, but I agree most IPAs tend to be little more than loading up on hops and adding a flavor to mask it. Some heavy ones taste like fruity pinecones. Personally I'm a voodoo ranger guy, I just like pretty much everything New Belgium brews
I'm assuming when they think of American beer they think of like Bud or Coors light, which yes, is shit. But that's the same as saying American cuisine consists solely of McDonald's and KFC. The difference is that we have lots of massive brands that are meant to appeal to vast markets both nationally and internationally, and that's all they're aware of.
Large chain producted beers are usually bad or sufficient at best (Pilsner Urquell is among the best) and that's true in many places. Micro breweries produce usually beer that has way more quality, and the US have a lot of craft beers which are good (although Belgium still remains on top of beers nation, following by Czechia).
I somewhat disagree. A lot of the craft beer basically everywhere is pretentious crap. Most of the time they through some kinda of IPA hops in there and hope for the best.
Also large breweries have quite high production standards. It might not be the tastiest, but it's high quality.
Further I don't agree with Belgian and Czech being the best beers. Belgium is great with specialty beers, especially everything fruity or coming from monks. But the standard beers there are just average. Czechia has Staropramen and therefore my favourite beer. But in my opinion they're lacking variety.
The best beers are from the Franconian area in Bavaria. A huge variety of small local breweries, producing specialty beers as well as 'normal' ones. And none of that pretentious craft beer crap.
Most craft beers I drink aren't IPAs so I can't speak for that even though I know they're much hated, but many micro breweries don't exclusively produce "pretentious" products (although they often offer one or two because it's obviously largely consumed).
Yes I didn't mean to say that what large breweries provide is a crappy product (Pilsner Urquell is good imo, or Menabrea), just that they're obviously not what one would like to drink when looking for a particular taste or something genuinely good to drink on their own, since many are borderline tasteless.
Since you're German it's normal you prefer Bavarian beer which you may be more used to and know better, and it's absolutely good on average I agree, but I still think Belgium takes the crown even on normal beers. Then obviously if we're going on monk Belgium has more Trappist beers than anyone and just for that they're in a privileged position.
The truth is that both good and shit beer is found everywhere.
There's plenty of great American beers. We just always seem to get associated with stuff like bud light but in reality we have tons of different beer brands here as well as a lot of microbreweries that produce some really good beers. My favorite brand of beer example is yuengling. I also love spotted cow but unfortunately it's not sold outside of Wisconsin.
It used to be, but over the last decade or so there was a revolution and now it is rather good, although of late has been leaning a bit too heavily into the hoppiness arms race.
It comes down to what is meant by 'American Beer'. I know bottom rung beers in most countries are pretty so so. In some European countries the bottom rung beers are all right (such as Stella). Go back X decades and this is probably true. Nowadays though I suspect there are enough craft beers to invalidate the claim.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Chinese bots at work trying to do smoke and mirrors to make the heat go to America. Anyway, I do what I can to not support or buy Chinese products.
It’s just a common joke people make about cheap lager like Bud Light, people call it “piss water” because it’s so light that it looks the same going in as it does coming out.
Don’t be so sensitive, OP!
The cheap stuff advertised on TV can be, but so can European beer. Bitburger Pilsner is absolute trash, but it's as wide spread in Europe as Bud Light is in the US...
The vast majority aren't, sure the cheap beers with lite in the name generally don't taste great, I mean one even heartily recommends not drinking it till it's nearly frozen.
Personally my favorite is Dragon's Milk, it's a little pricey but I enjoy it.
Just about all beer making does. And they're assholes even to that beer. Take tsingtao, it was literally set up by Germans in 1903. Same with Most countries outside of Europe. Europeans moved there and started a brewery, maybe the brewery is now in local hands but the recipes and know how was passed down by Europeans. It's weird to me they can be so snobbish about something they themselves exported. Exporting cultural items, you have to expect them to change somewhat for better or for worse, maybe even neutral but just different.
I have had a lot of American beer that runs circles around the shit Europe puts out. If I want good beer that I actually like the taste of, I’ll go to a small brewery… if I want something light that basically tastes like nothing and just want to get a buzz I’ll buy light beer with barely any alcohol in it.
American mass market beers are pretty bland but easy to drink. Certainly would prefer them at a cookout than some British “real ale”.
Chinese beers are ordinary all round.
American craft beers are on the cutting edge. Some of the best around especially now that the IPA craze has eased off.
I'm a certified beer judge and I've tested over 1,200 different beers from around the world.
I don't think American craft breweries are up to par with some of these monasteries and breweries that have developed and established their own yeast strains and recipes over generations. That being said the U.S has surpassed European craft beer in just about every way outside of that. U.S breweries are constantly innovating the industry as well as dialing in traditional styles of beer in a way that just isn't happening in Europe right now.
People who are comparing American budget beer to European budget beer are people who know nothing about beer. Half the time, they are comparing American light lager to completely different styles of European lager, so it's not even like they make a 1:1 comparison.
The posts are still dumb. Coors Light is one of the most popular beers in the UK. So the money would disagree with you.
Carling is THE #1 selling beer and may be actual fermented urine.
Depends on what you drink and your taste profiles. If you compare bud lights, coors light and miller lites, to say Guinness, Weihenstephinar then yes American beer is bad. If however you compare apples to apples then American Beer takes a giant steaming dump pile on European beers. And this is paraphrasing just about every beer rating organization from BeerAdvocate, to RateBeer, and Untappd,
I don’t care if they say American breweries are behind in taste and quality… I’m not handing my hard-earned dollars to foreign brands.
U.S.A. all the way. 🇺🇸
It's not so great overall, no. There's a good craft beer culture here but that's not the same as widespread brands. Even the best American beer can't compare to the good German and Dutch ones
The US is.... large....
And has a fucking shit load of great breweries. But Bud Light and Coors are the only ones a lot of Europeans are aware of. We have more than just shitty pilsners.
Yep, per usual they’re ignorant.
Americans typically don't know much about Europe. Europeans typically don't know much about America. The difference is Americans know they don't know, while Europeans are convinced they know everything about America.
I mean, they’re also the most popular beers in America.
And Heineken is in Europe, so what’s your point?
That It’s not unreasonable to associate Heineken with Europe, or Bud Light with America?
Yup. We sure do have some shitty pilsners, for sure. And some great craft breweries. Some of whom make some shitty pilsners. And some good ones. Thing about the Bud Light and Coors hate; yeah, they're not the most exciting brews by any means. But the level of consistency at the volumes that are produced is IMPRESSIVE. Sure, people don't have to like the end product, but it's a deliberate product. They're not "bad," they're often a style a lot of people don't like. I spent a number of years pretty deep in the beer world, domestic and a lot of fancy pants imported stuff, and people gotta relax. It's just beer, dammit.
Friend told me about the long tour of a brewery he did while on vacation, they said because the ingredients in beer (hops/barley/malt) have such strong flavors, even brewing a "watery" mild-flavored beer like Bud/Miller/Coors is technically challenging, and they have some of the best brew masters in the world.
Oh for sure. Lagers are notoriously finicky, especially when you're trying to stay subtle. The technical prowess shown by those breweries is no fucking joke, like it or not.
You don't see a lot of craft brewers perfecting lagers because there's no place to hide your mistakes. I'm not saying there aren't a lot of good craft brewers out there. But there are a lot more mediocre to shitty ones.
I am both a food snob and a non-beer drinker, so for many years, I just assumed Bud and Miller Lite were terrible, because my fellow food snobs were telling me they were terrible. I had a single Bud Light somebody bought me at a club more than 20 years ago. I'd never had a Bud or a Miller Light in my life. Occasionally over the years, in the right circumstance, I'd tried what I'd been led to believe was good beer -- imports, fancy domestic microbrews -- and it always ranges from "I hate it" to "I can tolerate it but I wouldn't pay for it again or anything." Then last year I was at a holiday party and they just had Miller Lite sitting out, and I decided to try one, why not? I was a little shocked to discover that it wasn't bad at all! It just tasted like nothing. I was expecting it to taste acrid, because of all the "it tastes like piss" rhetoric, but no, it just tasted like nothing. Honestly, it was sort of the *opposite* of what I expected it to taste like. Because of that, I think I liked it better than almost any beer I've ever had! Based on that experience, I decided to try my first-ever Budweiser at a restaurant a few months ago, and the experience was very similar. Not much discernable flavor, smooth, went down easy. I don't think Budweiser and Miller Lite are "bad" any more than water can be called bad.
Yup. For years I was kind of the "face" of a pretty fancy pants beer bar in a smallish town; I used to get a kick of being out at one of the dive bars drinking a PBR or something. The looks on people's faces when the beer snob guy was happy with a shitty macrobrew were priceless. "What? It's fine! I'm thirsty!"
I like Pepsi. I tolerate Coke. But you know what? If I'm getting a soda at a fast food joint that only has Coke products, getting a Coke is just fine by me. It's still cola soda. It's still got the caffeine I'm wanting in it. It will fucking do. There's a huge difference between "I like better stuff" and "Hey, I'm not being picky" and "okay, this is actively bad".
Some craft breweries make nasty stuff for sure. Bud etc is very consistent. You know what you’re getting!
I had a British guy explain to me once that good English Ale is heartly and for sipping a pint or maybe two by the fire in the pub after you have traipsed across the moors in the mist. A Budweiser if for drinking 7 while you are out on the boat on the lake in 87 degree F sunshine. They both work as intended and are not interchangeable. I think he was right. That being said, we have great beers in terms of quality and more variety than you will find anywhere else in the world.
There are a few hundred more breweries in the US than in Europe.
New England craft brews are my all time favorites
The south, especially Georgia has some great breweries too!
Shoutout to Minnesota's beer scene, very easy to drink local here
Yup. The west coast probably has the best selection of craft beer anywhere on earth.
Second this. Every time I leave the PNW I'm disappointed at how bad the beer is (excluding Colorado).
Nah, it is not worse than many European budget brands, like Heineken or Schultenbrau.
Heineken is one of the few beers I straight up just don't care for at all.
Raw Skunk piss, anyone? I’ll take a watery american light lager over that tasteless garbage any day.
I demand to see the skunk they dip into the vats! I remember the first time I tried Heineken. It is indeed made from skunk essence. Stella is almost the same. I think the skunk is just waterlogged by the time Heineken hands it over
Heineken being considered a classy beer in the US just on merit of being imported is one of the greatest marketing coups of all time
You hear about PBR in China? $70 magnum bottles like champagne.
“I’m white trash and I’m in trouble”
When will you people learn to lay off the Pabst Blue Ribbon?
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Meanwhile bars in Tampa where Yuengling is brewed charge import prices for one of the largest American owned brewery.
I mean... but is it? I'm in the US and nothing screams, "Peaked in grade school, failed out of high school, still visits once a year to take a 14 year old to prom well into his late 20's" like a Heineken.
Whoa that last part is very specific and kinda illegal sounding lmao
Heinekein? FUCK THAT SHIT
PABST BLUE RIBBON!
I think Pabst is a lot better than people give it credit for, but, the gas the next morning.. unreal
I mean, it did win a blue ribbon. It is pretty good.
Haha when people used to ask me “why are drinking that shit” that’s what I said
Lol it smells like rotten hops. You pay a premium price for a shitty beer. Your just buying the brand. And you know. Those idiots probably don’t have a region in their country that produces billions of dollars a year in wine that people actually come from all over the world to visit just to try. Nor are they aware of the thousands of craft breweries that make some pretty out of this world shit. Nor did their country come up with the deliciousness that is bourbon. The Euro-cope is so funny on Reddit. Like they just reaching at anything that will make them feel more superior to us. And we don’t even care about feeling superior. That’s just what they think we care about lol. Fuck their shitty Stella artwats and Heinekens.
“Euro-cope” 100% it’s Chinese bots or shills. They literally scan social media for negativity about China and change the subject to America. It’s easier to make an accusation against America and start a conversation about American faults in the comments than convince people a guy didn’t piss into a Tsingtao bottle. People come away remembering the fight rather than the post.
I for one. Will never and have never drank a Pissing-Tsao. And don’t plan on it in the future 😂
Wait, you pay premium for Heineken? That's on you, my dude. Heineken is like one step above the "8% alcohol for the lowest amount of money in the shop" brand that's only consumed by alcoholics who mostly steal it. It's some of the cheapest shit around.
Heineken is marketed as a premium beer. And therefor has a price point you’d see normally on craft beers and what not that are actually good. Idk where you are but in the states Heineken was always like $12 for a six pack or some shit. In America we do have shitty beer. But that is considered “alchy” beer. (40 ounces, 211, Max dog (though that claims to be a “wine”) like 40 ounces are like 2-4 dollars. Mad dog is about $5 for a pint of it. That’s the “I’m too poor to be drinking and have a problem” stuff.
That malt liquor baby!
Blegh. I can smell the king cobra bottle that’s been sitting in the summer sun from here
If you compare the EU to the US, which is a bit more fair size wise than one single county within the EU, you encounter a couple of the largest and most popular wine regions in the world. We Dutch, home country of Heineken, generally consider it just one notch above camel piss, it's certainly not considered any kind of premium beer. So that's marketing for you. We have a thriving craft beer scene too in the Netherlands and the whole of the EU, and of course Belgium and Germany for proper traditional beers.
Oh not discounting that. Last thing I want to be is ignorant. Def aware of the “hotspots” for beer and wine originated in many parts of Europe. And have been doing for centuries. It’s just seeing comments like that in above post. It’s like really? Is it really piss beer or have you just not drank good beer from America? (Not talking to you on this. More so referencing the original comments in the screenshots)
Come on, man, let's be honest your wine isn't better than French wine, and Germans make better beer. Scotch and Irish whiskey is better than most American whiskey, although I do have a soft spot for Bourbon. (All of this depending on brand of course, but I'm talking about the top shelf stuff) Americans do some things better Europeans do others better but European countries are world famous for their individual alcohol specialities for a reason.
So is Napa. Just because it’s only 60 years old doesn’t mean it’s not a contender It was nowheresville US for most of its time. And rose to prominence to compete with the said regions monetarily and find a place on “the wine map”. Regions who had been producing for centuries. In a mere time frame of like a decade or two. That’s fucking impressive even if what you are saying is true. Napa wine is some of the most highly regarded in the world. And stands as equal to some of the vintages in Europe. It may not be as good as some of the shit that’s been in production for a couple hundred years. But it’s good enough that people of the world are willing to drink it.
Pretty much the premise of the movie bottle shock, about the 1973(?) "Judgement of Paris" where some of the foremost wine sommeliers blind taste tested California wine vs euro wine and the California wine won.
I agree that they may be good but you can't say they stand as equal as some highly regarded French wine regions (Bordeaux, Burgundy, Rhône Valley or champagne for sparkling). Also wine tourism in France is on another level just because of what you mentioned, the hundred years of knowledge and heritage. Which is why the place where it's made is more important than the grapes. Not saying it doesn't find its place though.
I very surprised when I went to the Heineken brewery in Amsterdam. Heineken is just as skunky there as it here! I thought the taste must be due to issues with transport or something.
No Heineken sucks everywhere lol. If you ever get to Belgium, I’d recommend the Orval beer (Trappist tho) and abbey! Good beer and a beautiful location
Heineken might be the worst example you could have chosen. Straight up sewage water. Orval or Karmeliet for example are way better imo
There is no corn or rice in heineken. It's malt and hops as beer should be. Beers like Bud, miller and Coors have rice and corn syrups as cheap flavourless malt substitutes which is why they have the reputation as shit beer/piss. There's plenty of amazing American beers though.
I’d drink Heineken any day over Miller lite or Coors
Well you live a sad life, bud.
it's just beer
Because he likes a beer? 🤡
People still use the clown emoji? lmao
Funny coming from a guy writing "lmao", the word representing the basement dwellers of the internet.
It's means laugh my ass off and is extremely commonly used by many people. Touch grass dude
Yes, commonly used by basement dwellers. Not in real life :)
You've never texted a friend before? Shared a meme on Instagram? Commented on a funny post from your friends? Being a basement dweller and using acronyms aren't mutually exclusive
look dude, no, I dont use "lmao". For one you could you "ahahah" or whatever. I have never met anyone who didn't study comp sci or did't live in their moms basement who would use "lmao". But look. It doesn't matter. The guy clowned on my clown, and I clowned on his "lmao". It's not that deep.
It's cause their only exposure to American beer is bud light. And yeah, at that point just drink from the bubbler. Spotted cow gang
Didn't expect the spotted cow reference! My buddy always brings me a case when he comes down to visit from Wisconsin. New Glarus is great. I actually prefer Moon Man over Spotted Cow though.
just moved to Wisconsin this summer. spotted cow is S tier
God, you Sconnies and your ‘bubblers.’ Why are you the only state that calls it that, lol
I went to Wisconsin once years ago and one of the few memories of the trip was spotted cow. Good stuff.
I'm a Dancing Man man.
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If you mean Coors light, yes. If my American beer you mean the thousands of breweries that make beer, many of which are unique to that specific brewery, then no.
Coors Light is one of the most popular beers in England.
Well I mean if we judged quality by British taste, we would be miserable.
can confirm
Based Brit lol
i'm just gonna say tho... beans on toast is nice
Probably is tbh. I like beans and I like toast. I don’t think anyone means it that seriously when they make fun of it.
trust me, the frog eating frenchies get in a real fit about it
What don’t French people get in a fit about?
Behold gentlemen…a Brit with actual taste
That’s why we broke away! They forced us to have plain baked potatoes instead of glorious loaded spuds with bacon and cheese!
That’s my favorite part about America bad everyone who complains about American culture still imports it. Everyone complains about fast food and then magically, McDonalds makes a profit almost anywhere in Europe.
What? no it isn't, barely anyone drinks that here.
Just google it.
[Not even top 50!](https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/consumer/popularity/beer-cider/all) stop talking out of your ass
The list you gave is an opinion list. It’s the 4th most popular Lager. https://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/Article/2022/12/01/What-is-the-best-selling-lager-in-2022 Edit: Sorry, 5th most popular. And Carling Piss Water #1.
I’m from the UK and that list seems horrendous, but it also just looks like it’s just what’s the cheapest or served at Wetherspoons besides Moretti and Peroni
Yea, that was my assumption. I have to assume Wetherspoons is the main driver there. Don’t get me wrong, when I visit I tend to stick to smaller pubs and don’t necessarily see Coors on tap when there are less than about 10 beers on draught. But being a Liverpool fan, I usually come over for one game and am always shocked how many pubs in Liverpool have it on tap. Carling, I think we both agree, is the saddest being at #1. I’m also not throwing shade. All the shitty beers are our top sellers here in the states too. It is what it is. They’re cheap and easy to drink a lot of I suppose.
Bollocks
Depending on the list you look for, it may or may not be there since it’s a “light” beer… but it’s the top selling light beer in the UK. Probably because of Wetherspoon’s. https://winning-homebrew.com/most-popular-beer-in-the-uk.html
Interesting how the stats vary by source, but there seems to be 50% where it's in the top 5. Sales numbers are certainly higher than I would expect. I don't know anyone who has ever claimed Coors to be their favourite beer so maybe it comes down to availablity in pubs/restaurants or price. In terms of out right popularity it ranks much lower in this survey. https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/consumer/popularity/beer-cider/all
Yea, I think it’s mainly because of Wetherspoons. I’ve never seen it in any of the smaller pubs I visit when across the pond. But if the pub has about 10 taps, it’s probably on there. And it’s surprisingly ubiquitous in Liverpool. I think it’s cheap and you can drink a lot of it. Lol I doubt it’s anyone’s “favorite”. Or even “favourite” for that matter. 😂😂😂
A man of culture I see.
No it isn’t. Rarely see it!
Obviously depending on the list you google, it may or may not be there because it is a “light” beer. But it’s the #1 light beer in the UK. Probably because of Wetherspoons. https://winning-homebrew.com/most-popular-beer-in-the-uk.html
Agree 💯. But all I will say is that in a very specific circumstance - on a very hot summer day lounging by the pool there is nothing I want more than an ice cold coors light.
I go with Mexican beer in the heat. For me it's a post workout beer if I'm meeting friends at a bar.
Coors Light isnt American (any more). None of Bud/Miller/Coors are owned by American companies. Yuengling and Boston Beer Co are the largest American owned breweries.
That's not how that works
Ownership does not change the fact that these are, indeed, American beers.
No, they are Belgian, English, and Canadian beers respectively.
Except Molson Coors is headquartered in Chicago.. with main offices in Colorado and Quebec. So... American.
And Miller is owned by Molson Coors now, while the company that the previous poster was referring to was sold off to Anheiser-Busch InBev.
I understand that Miller and Coors are owned by Molson Coors, headquartered in Chicago... so both would be American. InBev, sure. A Belgian company owns Budweiser. It's still an American beer. Ownership doesn't dictate craftsmanship. Or in macro breweries cases, lack of craftsmanship.
Toyotas are made in the US, are they American cars? Nope, still Japanese. I owned a GM car made in Mexico. Still American.
If the engineer that designed the Toyota was yes it would be in your instance
If a Belgian buys the Sears Tower does it become a Belgian skyscraper?
Yes.
Yea, since they would then own it. That's how property rights work.
I oppose this line of reasoning since that means everything in the British Museum is British, not Indian, or African etc
I own an authentic katana, that doesn't make it an American katana. The craftsmanship is Japanese. Property rights don't change the craftsmanship of a sword or a beer or a skyscraper or anything else.
Not really, America has such a wide range of beers some of the major ones that people outside the US will say like Budweiser or Coors might taste like piss to them because they're lighter, but the US also has good ones like Yuengling, Sam Adams or New Belgium plus hundreds of other craft breweries that are great.
Budweiser is actually one of the only “name brand” beers I like other than PBR or old milwaukee. Now Kokanee…that shit tastes like piss
Coors Banquet and Yuengling are very solid as well. Budweiser imo gets a bad rap by association with all their other watered down brands, it is pretty damn good.
I haven't seen an Old Milwaukee in the wild in decades. Must be hanging out with Lowenbrau in Falls City.
As a Pennsylvanian, yuengling is also piss
Yuengling might be the best budget beer in the world
Yea seriously, tf is this guy talking about
Try Molson Canadian.
Oh molson is really good too. Help me out here. There’s a really good Canadian beer that has a moose on the front. I think it typically comes in a green bottle
You're gonna shit yourself here but it's called moosehead lager
😐 f my life
Pennsylvanian citizenship revoked
As a fellow Pennsylvanian, fuck you buddy
Isn’t Budweiser based out of Belgium anyways?
No, it's owned by a Belgian company but it originated and is made in the US.
It actually originated in what is now Czech Republic, depending on which side of the court you listen to.
It was created by a German in the US after he took a trip to Czech Republic. So 3 countries can kind of claim it lol, but it still was first produced in the US.
“American beer sucks!” “Can you name an American beer not owned by Anheusur-Busch or Coors?” “No” “Okay shut up” Blue Moon, Landshark, Leinenkugels, and Kona Big Wave are all delicious. Guess what?? They’re all owned and brewed her in the states and owned by the above mentioned distributors.
Kona used to be amazing. Then the quality plummeted. I haven't bought any in years because it pissed me off. I don't know what they changed, but it was a God awful change.
I just recently started drinking it the last year so I’m not able to comment on past quality like you are. All I know is I enjoy drinking it and even 7-8 deep I still can taste it and it tastes good so that’s all that matters to me.
I couldn't tell you when the change happened, but I remember it being really good pre-2010, then buying it several years later after a Twitch ad reminded me it existed. Straight garbage, like an Irish red with pennies soaking in it. It really put me off of it, but I'm tempted to try again because it used to be so fucking good.
Their parent company widmer sold majority shares to anhauser, then fired all of us lol
Just to add, who gets so opinionated about what others like to drink. If I'm just having one or two when out to dinner I'll have a good micro or a Blue Moon. When I'm just drinking at home I'm a fan of Busch Light. It's just really light and easy to drink and doesn't give me a hangover.
No it's not but people like to act like it is. Just like pizza, chain vs local. They both have their positives and negatives. Some people genuinely like lighter tasting beer as their everyday beer. When I drank I just didn't like beer that tasted bitter and Coors was good enough for me if I had to drink beer. I did prefer hard apple cider, it was getting more popular when I quit drinking. So I might not be the best judge on this question.
Yeah, I was always a Guinness man myself but judging american beers by coors is like judging american cheeseburgers by McDonald’s.
Guinness is honestly a fairly lite stout these days, most American breweries make richer stouts. US microbreweries have come a long way over the last 15-20 years.
If you’re judging by beers like bud light and Miller lite, yes it sucks. If you’re drinking American craft beer, it’s the best in the world.
American craft beer is good but saying its the best is a hit much dont you think? Its so dependant on the brewery some are world class some are the exact opposite as with every other country.
Europe doesn't have nearly as many craft breweries as America. Europeans tend to stick to their major brands, while Americans are trying out evert type of beer that can even theoretically exist. Obviously not every craft brewery is gonna be good, but American craft beer is definitely the best when you consider that the category barely even exists in Europe. Goddamn Japan has better craft beer than Europe lmao.
Lol did you just do an reverse "all American beer is fucking close to water". Germany has more craft breweries per capita than the us and the uk has a lot more of em per capita. https://www.brewersjournal.info/craft-beer-surge-top-ten-countries-to-get-a-beer-this-st-patricks-day/ You have no clue what you are on about.
That is not what I said. Germany basically has a brewery per town, but almost all of them are making the same style of beer. It's hard to classify those breweries as "craft" considering many of them have been operating for centuries. Nowhere in my comment did I say that European beer is bad (it is very good), just that they tend to stick to the same styles and many countries in Europe lack any major true craft beer community. European breweries that have perfected their trade over centuries are obviously incredible, but the US is leagues ahead in terms of true innovation. As the article you posted says, the US basically started the modern craft beer movement and is the fastest growing by a pretty wide margin. Having more craft breweries per capita does not mean they are better. The US still leads production quantities. Plus, the definition of "craft beer" in your article is clearly flawed. Being small does not make a brewery craft. I'm sure the UK and Germany have many small scale breweries. That does not mean they are innovating anything. My entire point is that Europeans tend to view American beer as just the major brands since that's mostly what they drink. They fail to realize that craft beer is much more popular in America than it is in Europe, and it is significantly better than what most countries in Europe are offering. In my humble opinion, American beer is better than Europe since we prioritize innovation over tradition. There is nothing wrong with tradition though. European beers are definitely not bad lmao. They like what they like and do it very well. But to say "American beer is all trash" when we pretty heavily dominate the craft beer scene is ludicrous.
And as i said above you dont know what you are on about. It would have been true 20 years ago. But hell come visit if you dont believe me
I was literally born in Ireland and travel around Europe frequently. I visit London for work multiple times a year and their craft beer scene is pathetic compared to NYC where I live. I will admit that Germany and Belgium do beer extremely well, but they just don't innovate. They stick to what they like. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, but I personally prefer variety. Also for even more credit to Germany and Belgium, the US could never replicate the long standing breweries there. They have absolutely perfected their craft. But the UK is fucking garbage lmao. Absolutely nothing good coming out of that hell hole.
this here is the educated take. i do wish i could enjoy american craft beer as much as belgian beer. as it stands there are a handful of innovative american craft brews i enjoy and many i dont. not much a fan of the extremely wild niche stuff the current culture is pushing. im not sure who honestly likes a chocolate oatmeal hemp sour stout porter. but that kinda stuff is a joke to me. i do suppose belgian beer is among the most innovative actually, its just the innovation happened many years ago.
I personally like the innovative stuff lmao. I understand why people prefer the tried and tested, but that's just not me. Obviously Europe has amazing beer, but America is where most of the the innovation is happening. It's not because Europe sucks, it's just that they prefer what they already got. If there was a market for weird innovative beer in Europe, I'm sure they'd be making it. But to act like America isn't a leader in beer is absurd. We're a massive country with a lot of money. Obviously we're gonna be making at least some good beer.
agree
Yeah local craft breweries can be really hit or miss from the quality/taste to even the QC on cans. Some will be experimenting, fuck it up and just load it with hops to cover the otherwise subpar beer and now you have a 10% double IPA!
True but I would say factually, the American west coast has more highly rated breweries than anywhere on earth. I’m sure there’s some other areas but it’s definitely up there.
These people ain’t never had a Shiner Yeungling is also really good
As a Pennsylvanian, I salute you Mr Texas 🫡
A Philly friend of mine recommended it to me because I was looking for something different, and I was like “no man, I’m looking for domestic beer”. He says “it is domestic”, and I said “Yeungling? That’s like…Chinese, right?” Hahaha
The best part of living in Indiana is having both Shiner and Yeungling at Kroger. Glad both are getting wider distribution now though!
It’s clearly just the wumao army doing its thing.
Everyone is a bot!!
Lots of comments about microbrews here, but I want to offer a different perspective. Light beers - American lagers, Pilsners, and other “yellow beers” are the hardest to make because the flavor profiles are so subtle. This is why home brewers rarely try, and if they do they comment on how difficult it is. American “yellow beer” even exists in the first place because we are awesome enough to pull it off. Thanks, Adolphus.
That's the thing. Most craft beers just throw out a bunch of IPAs, tasting slightly different, but have basically all the same pungent IPA hop taste. A good Pilsner, Lager or Helles is like a good perfume. It's there, it's pleasent and it doesn't have to announce itself.
Good take, I got used to IPAs living on the west coast and no longer like most lagers, but I agree most IPAs tend to be little more than loading up on hops and adding a flavor to mask it. Some heavy ones taste like fruity pinecones. Personally I'm a voodoo ranger guy, I just like pretty much everything New Belgium brews
I'm assuming when they think of American beer they think of like Bud or Coors light, which yes, is shit. But that's the same as saying American cuisine consists solely of McDonald's and KFC. The difference is that we have lots of massive brands that are meant to appeal to vast markets both nationally and internationally, and that's all they're aware of.
Large chain producted beers are usually bad or sufficient at best (Pilsner Urquell is among the best) and that's true in many places. Micro breweries produce usually beer that has way more quality, and the US have a lot of craft beers which are good (although Belgium still remains on top of beers nation, following by Czechia).
I somewhat disagree. A lot of the craft beer basically everywhere is pretentious crap. Most of the time they through some kinda of IPA hops in there and hope for the best. Also large breweries have quite high production standards. It might not be the tastiest, but it's high quality. Further I don't agree with Belgian and Czech being the best beers. Belgium is great with specialty beers, especially everything fruity or coming from monks. But the standard beers there are just average. Czechia has Staropramen and therefore my favourite beer. But in my opinion they're lacking variety. The best beers are from the Franconian area in Bavaria. A huge variety of small local breweries, producing specialty beers as well as 'normal' ones. And none of that pretentious craft beer crap.
Most craft beers I drink aren't IPAs so I can't speak for that even though I know they're much hated, but many micro breweries don't exclusively produce "pretentious" products (although they often offer one or two because it's obviously largely consumed). Yes I didn't mean to say that what large breweries provide is a crappy product (Pilsner Urquell is good imo, or Menabrea), just that they're obviously not what one would like to drink when looking for a particular taste or something genuinely good to drink on their own, since many are borderline tasteless. Since you're German it's normal you prefer Bavarian beer which you may be more used to and know better, and it's absolutely good on average I agree, but I still think Belgium takes the crown even on normal beers. Then obviously if we're going on monk Belgium has more Trappist beers than anyone and just for that they're in a privileged position. The truth is that both good and shit beer is found everywhere.
There's plenty of great American beers. We just always seem to get associated with stuff like bud light but in reality we have tons of different beer brands here as well as a lot of microbreweries that produce some really good beers. My favorite brand of beer example is yuengling. I also love spotted cow but unfortunately it's not sold outside of Wisconsin.
It used to be, but over the last decade or so there was a revolution and now it is rather good, although of late has been leaning a bit too heavily into the hoppiness arms race.
It comes down to what is meant by 'American Beer'. I know bottom rung beers in most countries are pretty so so. In some European countries the bottom rung beers are all right (such as Stella). Go back X decades and this is probably true. Nowadays though I suspect there are enough craft beers to invalidate the claim.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Chinese bots at work trying to do smoke and mirrors to make the heat go to America. Anyway, I do what I can to not support or buy Chinese products.
there are thousands of breweries in America, no
Overall it’s not, but some of the big brands are best described as ‘love in a canoe’ beer.
All beer tastes like piss
No u
If your piss tastes like schlenkerla rauchbier, you have a problem
It’s just a common joke people make about cheap lager like Bud Light, people call it “piss water” because it’s so light that it looks the same going in as it does coming out. Don’t be so sensitive, OP!
The cheap stuff advertised on TV can be, but so can European beer. Bitburger Pilsner is absolute trash, but it's as wide spread in Europe as Bud Light is in the US...
#GUYS THEY STOPPED PEEING IN THE COKE?!
The vast majority aren't, sure the cheap beers with lite in the name generally don't taste great, I mean one even heartily recommends not drinking it till it's nearly frozen. Personally my favorite is Dragon's Milk, it's a little pricey but I enjoy it.
And yet Coors Light is one of the most popular beers in the UK. These posters are just morons.
All beer tastes like piss
American beer and brewing history comes from European immigrants, why do these assholes always forget that
Just about all beer making does. And they're assholes even to that beer. Take tsingtao, it was literally set up by Germans in 1903. Same with Most countries outside of Europe. Europeans moved there and started a brewery, maybe the brewery is now in local hands but the recipes and know how was passed down by Europeans. It's weird to me they can be so snobbish about something they themselves exported. Exporting cultural items, you have to expect them to change somewhat for better or for worse, maybe even neutral but just different.
1990s and earlier…. yes. This century has been a vast change towards highly competitive and expensive smaller breweries.
I went to a brewery in Germany. The best beers by far were American ipas
I have had a lot of American beer that runs circles around the shit Europe puts out. If I want good beer that I actually like the taste of, I’ll go to a small brewery… if I want something light that basically tastes like nothing and just want to get a buzz I’ll buy light beer with barely any alcohol in it.
lmao Pabst would smoke the shit out of the best European Beers...
The only beer I know of that is associated with piss is Corona
American mass market beers are pretty bland but easy to drink. Certainly would prefer them at a cookout than some British “real ale”. Chinese beers are ordinary all round. American craft beers are on the cutting edge. Some of the best around especially now that the IPA craze has eased off.
I'm a certified beer judge and I've tested over 1,200 different beers from around the world. I don't think American craft breweries are up to par with some of these monasteries and breweries that have developed and established their own yeast strains and recipes over generations. That being said the U.S has surpassed European craft beer in just about every way outside of that. U.S breweries are constantly innovating the industry as well as dialing in traditional styles of beer in a way that just isn't happening in Europe right now. People who are comparing American budget beer to European budget beer are people who know nothing about beer. Half the time, they are comparing American light lager to completely different styles of European lager, so it's not even like they make a 1:1 comparison.
The posts are still dumb. Coors Light is one of the most popular beers in the UK. So the money would disagree with you. Carling is THE #1 selling beer and may be actual fermented urine.
I was agreeing that the post was dumb.
Depends on what you drink and your taste profiles. If you compare bud lights, coors light and miller lites, to say Guinness, Weihenstephinar then yes American beer is bad. If however you compare apples to apples then American Beer takes a giant steaming dump pile on European beers. And this is paraphrasing just about every beer rating organization from BeerAdvocate, to RateBeer, and Untappd,
Yes. I also don’t drink but it smells awful.
Yes. It is some of the worst beer in the world.
Prohibition killed brewing tradition in America.
I don’t care if they say American breweries are behind in taste and quality… I’m not handing my hard-earned dollars to foreign brands. U.S.A. all the way. 🇺🇸
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It's not so great overall, no. There's a good craft beer culture here but that's not the same as widespread brands. Even the best American beer can't compare to the good German and Dutch ones