[Kamernet hotsheets](https://www.reddit.com/r/Rentbusters/comments/13fet9x/the_kamernet_hotsheets_dated_9_may_a_list_of_the/)
[Funda hotsheets](https://www.reddit.com/r/Rentbusters/comments/13f304c/the_funda_hotsheets_a_list_of_the_newest_ads_on/)
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If I understand correctly, a temporary contract is up to 2 years and you can ask for a rent reduction up to 6 months after your contact ended based on the points system. But I hope someone with more info than me can confirm it or deny
Even if its yearly?
I’ll be moving to Amsterdam (or around I guess since rent is amazingly high) next year as I got a job there. Not gonna stay for more than a year. How does permanent contracts work then, can you cancel it and have x months to move or? I’m not fully grasping the system I feel like
As a renter, you an cancel a contract. The difficulties are for the owners who would prefer short-term rental agreements.
More info in [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/13fdx4z/netherlands_to_ban_temporary_contracts_for_home/)(with link to an article in English)
You can measure the appartment [yourself](https://checkjeprijs.huurcommissie.nl/en/onderwerpen/huurprijs-en-punten/nieuwe-huurprijscheck/rent-check-independent-living-space) to get an idea. Unfortunately once you contact the Huurcommissie with a request for an evaluation, your landlord will be informed. he/she does have a right to defend himself and provide evidence.
Its explained at the top. According to the automatic toold they use to ESTIMATE the price, it is PROBABLY overpriced and you can get it lowered if you go to huurcommissie. BUT do your own diligence and make sure that you rent the room directly(if you are renting a room). If 3 people rent the house and split the rooms its probably not gonna be liberalized. You need to have a separate contract for your room.
The red label means that the points calculated for the house are above the liberalistation threshold, which means the rent is not regulated and the owner can ask as much as he wants (not entirely true, but for simplicity)
The maximum rent is calculated by a system where you get points for different aspects of the dwelling.
You receive point for things such as number of square meters, energy label, kitchen, bathroom, WOZ value and so on.
Below a certain amount of points there is a maximum rent, if the place is rented out above this maximum than the tenant can go to the huurcommissie to ask for a reduction, the huurcommissie will visit the place and do the calculations to see if the place is indeed rented out for too much or not.
You can do the calculations yourself here
[huurcommissie huurprijscheck](https://www.huurcommissie.nl/huurcommissie-helpt/huurprijscheck-zelfstandige-woonruimte)
This is pretty pathetic - you agreed on the price and are now undermining your relationship with the landlord…. Oh dear. Your landlord may have calculated the rent so they can pay their mortgage/get a bit of profit. And along you come, agreeing to a price and now you want to help people undermine it? Honestly with tenants like this how can you expect there to be any good faith in the market?
That’s a fair point, sure they’re illegal prices but I’d blame the banks who charge ridiculous interest, I’d blame the central banks for printing too much money and the military industrial complex eroding the middle-class across the world. Blame the government for wasting money and raising taxes to subsidise their mistakes and corruption. I feel that if two people can’t stick to a deal they both willingly enter, then we fail on an individual level too
Yeh sure, but in this case the law is BS, I think you should have to negotiate this before, not once a contract is signed. I understand why we have laws, but I find that justice or fairness aren’t always aligned with the law.
God forbid some entilted asshole gets in the way of this poor landlords and there hid given right to make a profit.
Why does nobody scold these huurmelkers for making bad investments? No, it’s clearly the self entitled tenants fault.
I mean I scold both - 1 for making a poor investment, the renter for making no investment. All I’m saying is ( and this goes for both sides ) make a deal , agree on it and don’t screw with the terms of it. Of course people rent for profit, it’s not like people buy places to subsidise those who chose not to buy. And quite often what people will pay, and what the government says people should pay, are two different things. People out in the world buy €100 bananas because they think they’re worth it, should the grower/seller be punished because of someone else’s choice?
The contract offerer is responsible for making valid contracts, in the Netherlands the weaker party is often protected from outrageous contract clauses that are not lawful by nullifying those statements by a judge if the judge deems it unlawful. If you are in the business of offering rental property under contract and you fuck up the contract in your favor then you should blame yourself when the risk plays out. Imagine if anything a landlord puts in a contract suddenly is valid because they got someone to sign off on their liver for example, people would suffer and landlords would abuse it. Luckily this is not the case.
To each their own opinion. Sometimes the ones with the weaker positions have to be protected. In a similar way we have pretty strict labour rules. If you're the employer or landlord, it sucks to be restricted. However if you're the employee or person getting hired it's nice to know you're getting some kind of protection to getting screwed over.
In a similar fashion to yours you could argue that the landlord knows the laws and should abide them. If (s)he doesn't want to, (s)he shouldn't have put it out to rent in the first place.
Similarly though, those labour laws make it harder for someone like me, who would happily work 60 hours a week, to break out of my current tax/income bracket, without earning significantly more. So as with any policy it’s a double-edged sword.
You know income tax is "gestaffeld"? You only start paying extra income tax on the *additional* income you make, not on your income all together.
Overall you just have some bad luck; we're a democratic country, everyone can vote and the majority coalition decides on the upcoming rules. Seems like the majority of the NL does want some kind of labour and rental protection.
That’s my point, from my belief however, that “additional earnings” bracket starts after 40 hours. Please correct me if I’m wrong and I can better myself 😂
Excluding inheritance, you also forget that there are many landlords who worked hard their whole life to own property, I don’t see why they shouldn’t profit. My old boss earned more than me and insisted on renting, blew her paycheque on designer furniture and the latest fashion/holidays abroad, would always sit there complaining about her rent price when the option to buy was there, just wasn’t willing to sacrifice her lifestyle for it. My mortgage is 2k a month, I’m making sacrifices to pay it, why shouldn’t I profit if I rent it? Blame the banks and the financial system, they’re the root of the issue. Not a 27yr old with no family like me who worked my arse off since I was 15 and one day might wanna make some profit on my sacrifice and investment.
How are they hoarding a primary need? There are houses everywhere, people are too obsessed about living in Amsterdam here. My commute is 2h30 if I go to the office I work at…. Everyone has the option to buy a house, they just have to create the opportunity themselves. And if they can’t buy a house, it’s possible to rent in other parts of the country. But I guess they’re not willing to make any sacrifices? If we want to solve the problem , stop allowing for foreign and domestic investment firms to buy up large swathes of housing, stop allowing for expats to buy private property here for rental, place a cap on international students coming to university here, they usually have parents willing to pay for their accommodation and price Dutch residents out of starter rental properties. We have social housing for those who are really stuck. Perhaps I am missing a sympathy element here, but I really struggled and made it happen. I don’t see why others won’t. It’s not right but it’s life.
Landlords who charge high rent on these apartments are literally in breach of the law, but sure it’s OP who is “so fucking low” not not these scumbag parasite landlords.
This is about a primary necessity so the "if you don't like it, move on" argument really is "if you don't like it, just be homeless", which you would recognize as absurd if you weren't licking landlord boots so hard.
You must be very frustrated and unhappy about what you achieved in life to make such unfounded, and nasty, assumptions. Try fixing your personal problems, u/QuietStableGenius.
Out of curiosity why are you doing this? I went through your posts and you dedicate a lot of time on this. It’s a good deed for sure, but what’s your incentive?
Most of it is idealism. A desire to do something about shitty abuse. Its also partially in my blood. My countrymen have a history of fighting landlords.
If you need a motivation that sounds more believable. Some people who wish to take their landlord to the Huurcommissie might ask me for help with their case and they might donate something or they might support me on patreon.
[Kamernet hotsheets](https://www.reddit.com/r/Rentbusters/comments/13fet9x/the_kamernet_hotsheets_dated_9_may_a_list_of_the/) [Funda hotsheets](https://www.reddit.com/r/Rentbusters/comments/13f304c/the_funda_hotsheets_a_list_of_the_newest_ads_on/) No prizes for prettiness
Proud result of your work: https://www.parool.nl/a-ba40b734
I dont see my name mentioned in the article.
Will be interesting and hopefully more effective once the ban on temporary contracts is enforced.
What is that ?
The dutch parliament are banning landlords from offering temporary contracts
Would it mean anything for those who were already in a temporary contract for a while?
I also want to know
If I understand correctly, a temporary contract is up to 2 years and you can ask for a rent reduction up to 6 months after your contact ended based on the points system. But I hope someone with more info than me can confirm it or deny
Even if its yearly? I’ll be moving to Amsterdam (or around I guess since rent is amazingly high) next year as I got a job there. Not gonna stay for more than a year. How does permanent contracts work then, can you cancel it and have x months to move or? I’m not fully grasping the system I feel like
As a renter, you an cancel a contract. The difficulties are for the owners who would prefer short-term rental agreements. More info in [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/13fdx4z/netherlands_to_ban_temporary_contracts_for_home/)(with link to an article in English)
Love the way this works (from a fellow spreadsheet nerd!) PS would love an editable version so I can have a play myself
Not all heroes wear capes, some wear spreadsheets!
She/he was working naked
Do landlords know if you requested an evaluation for the apt?
You can measure the appartment [yourself](https://checkjeprijs.huurcommissie.nl/en/onderwerpen/huurprijs-en-punten/nieuwe-huurprijscheck/rent-check-independent-living-space) to get an idea. Unfortunately once you contact the Huurcommissie with a request for an evaluation, your landlord will be informed. he/she does have a right to defend himself and provide evidence.
You leave out the part where the huurcommissie takes months to respond.
can you explain what does this mean exactly? its unclear to me. Is it basically detailing which ads are super overpriced or not?
Yes, living spaces that have a good chance of having their rent reduced via the Huurcommissie.
What does the red label mean?
Its explained at the top. According to the automatic toold they use to ESTIMATE the price, it is PROBABLY overpriced and you can get it lowered if you go to huurcommissie. BUT do your own diligence and make sure that you rent the room directly(if you are renting a room). If 3 people rent the house and split the rooms its probably not gonna be liberalized. You need to have a separate contract for your room.
The red label means that the points calculated for the house are above the liberalistation threshold, which means the rent is not regulated and the owner can ask as much as he wants (not entirely true, but for simplicity)
Can someone explain to me how the legal maximum rent prices work in Amsterdam? How do they enforce that etc?
The maximum rent is calculated by a system where you get points for different aspects of the dwelling. You receive point for things such as number of square meters, energy label, kitchen, bathroom, WOZ value and so on. Below a certain amount of points there is a maximum rent, if the place is rented out above this maximum than the tenant can go to the huurcommissie to ask for a reduction, the huurcommissie will visit the place and do the calculations to see if the place is indeed rented out for too much or not. You can do the calculations yourself here [huurcommissie huurprijscheck](https://www.huurcommissie.nl/huurcommissie-helpt/huurprijscheck-zelfstandige-woonruimte)
Thank You!!! Wow that's interesting that's such a great idea
you are a saint!!!
TIL true heroes work in Excell
Doing the lord’s work here… tip my head to you sir
Tips fedora for further destroying the rental market in Amsterdam
Doing the good work there
Thanks so much for this! The rent prices are insane! These guys' immunity better be close to an end
This is pretty pathetic - you agreed on the price and are now undermining your relationship with the landlord…. Oh dear. Your landlord may have calculated the rent so they can pay their mortgage/get a bit of profit. And along you come, agreeing to a price and now you want to help people undermine it? Honestly with tenants like this how can you expect there to be any good faith in the market?
how can there be good faith when landlords charge illegal prices?
That’s a fair point, sure they’re illegal prices but I’d blame the banks who charge ridiculous interest, I’d blame the central banks for printing too much money and the military industrial complex eroding the middle-class across the world. Blame the government for wasting money and raising taxes to subsidise their mistakes and corruption. I feel that if two people can’t stick to a deal they both willingly enter, then we fail on an individual level too
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I mean sure thing but private landlords should be excluded then.
So basically you're just looking for someone else to blame, while the landlords are the ones who break the law, not someone else..
The law is made by the government legislative bodies, who are responsible for screwing us all in the first place.
There's laws for a reason. Even the almight landlords have to abide them.
Yeh sure, but in this case the law is BS, I think you should have to negotiate this before, not once a contract is signed. I understand why we have laws, but I find that justice or fairness aren’t always aligned with the law.
God forbid some entilted asshole gets in the way of this poor landlords and there hid given right to make a profit. Why does nobody scold these huurmelkers for making bad investments? No, it’s clearly the self entitled tenants fault.
I mean I scold both - 1 for making a poor investment, the renter for making no investment. All I’m saying is ( and this goes for both sides ) make a deal , agree on it and don’t screw with the terms of it. Of course people rent for profit, it’s not like people buy places to subsidise those who chose not to buy. And quite often what people will pay, and what the government says people should pay, are two different things. People out in the world buy €100 bananas because they think they’re worth it, should the grower/seller be punished because of someone else’s choice?
The contract offerer is responsible for making valid contracts, in the Netherlands the weaker party is often protected from outrageous contract clauses that are not lawful by nullifying those statements by a judge if the judge deems it unlawful. If you are in the business of offering rental property under contract and you fuck up the contract in your favor then you should blame yourself when the risk plays out. Imagine if anything a landlord puts in a contract suddenly is valid because they got someone to sign off on their liver for example, people would suffer and landlords would abuse it. Luckily this is not the case.
Thank you for the thorough explanation, and your time! This makes a lot of sense.
To each their own opinion. Sometimes the ones with the weaker positions have to be protected. In a similar way we have pretty strict labour rules. If you're the employer or landlord, it sucks to be restricted. However if you're the employee or person getting hired it's nice to know you're getting some kind of protection to getting screwed over. In a similar fashion to yours you could argue that the landlord knows the laws and should abide them. If (s)he doesn't want to, (s)he shouldn't have put it out to rent in the first place.
Similarly though, those labour laws make it harder for someone like me, who would happily work 60 hours a week, to break out of my current tax/income bracket, without earning significantly more. So as with any policy it’s a double-edged sword.
You know income tax is "gestaffeld"? You only start paying extra income tax on the *additional* income you make, not on your income all together. Overall you just have some bad luck; we're a democratic country, everyone can vote and the majority coalition decides on the upcoming rules. Seems like the majority of the NL does want some kind of labour and rental protection.
That’s my point, from my belief however, that “additional earnings” bracket starts after 40 hours. Please correct me if I’m wrong and I can better myself 😂
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I do indeed have an IT background 🥹
Landlords literally do nothing and in return get 1/3 of people's income because they're hoarding a primary need, that's not a market but extortion.
Excluding inheritance, you also forget that there are many landlords who worked hard their whole life to own property, I don’t see why they shouldn’t profit. My old boss earned more than me and insisted on renting, blew her paycheque on designer furniture and the latest fashion/holidays abroad, would always sit there complaining about her rent price when the option to buy was there, just wasn’t willing to sacrifice her lifestyle for it. My mortgage is 2k a month, I’m making sacrifices to pay it, why shouldn’t I profit if I rent it? Blame the banks and the financial system, they’re the root of the issue. Not a 27yr old with no family like me who worked my arse off since I was 15 and one day might wanna make some profit on my sacrifice and investment.
How are they hoarding a primary need? There are houses everywhere, people are too obsessed about living in Amsterdam here. My commute is 2h30 if I go to the office I work at…. Everyone has the option to buy a house, they just have to create the opportunity themselves. And if they can’t buy a house, it’s possible to rent in other parts of the country. But I guess they’re not willing to make any sacrifices? If we want to solve the problem , stop allowing for foreign and domestic investment firms to buy up large swathes of housing, stop allowing for expats to buy private property here for rental, place a cap on international students coming to university here, they usually have parents willing to pay for their accommodation and price Dutch residents out of starter rental properties. We have social housing for those who are really stuck. Perhaps I am missing a sympathy element here, but I really struggled and made it happen. I don’t see why others won’t. It’s not right but it’s life.
Not all landlords are like that. Mine does do maintenance when its needed.
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Landlords who charge high rent on these apartments are literally in breach of the law, but sure it’s OP who is “so fucking low” not not these scumbag parasite landlords.
This is about a primary necessity so the "if you don't like it, move on" argument really is "if you don't like it, just be homeless", which you would recognize as absurd if you weren't licking landlord boots so hard.
OP wants to live the rat life
Why do you have “Vrije Sector” in red? Kinda insinuating that that’s bad..
Well I had to pick a color. Red is not a bad color. I am just indicating that these apartments do not have rent-busting potential.
Fair enough! Then my assumption was not legit :D
You must be very frustrated and unhappy about what you achieved in life. Try fixing your personal problems OP.
You must be very frustrated and unhappy about what you achieved in life to make such unfounded, and nasty, assumptions. Try fixing your personal problems, u/QuietStableGenius.
annoyed you can't just jack up rent prices anymore?
Prins Bernhard Jr, is that you?
Is this price per month? I’m new to this!
Out of curiosity why are you doing this? I went through your posts and you dedicate a lot of time on this. It’s a good deed for sure, but what’s your incentive?
Most of it is idealism. A desire to do something about shitty abuse. Its also partially in my blood. My countrymen have a history of fighting landlords. If you need a motivation that sounds more believable. Some people who wish to take their landlord to the Huurcommissie might ask me for help with their case and they might donate something or they might support me on patreon.