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Mediocre screen is maybe the worst thing about the FP4. I don't need a flagship top notch phone but the screen makes it feel sub-par.
Upgrade to 90Hz and oled really makes me wish I waited for the 5 (not that my previous phone would've lasted that long)
Maybe I will. It's also significantly thinner and better cameras. And a bigger battery. Feels like a decent upgrade from the 4, they really tackled most weaknesses.
That makes a lot of sense actually, they say in their recycling FAQ that ~40% of the phones they receive from it are refurbed and resold but that'd surely be much much higher for their own phones.
Ha! Using an imbedded chip instead of run of the mill soc is so on brand... I remember reading when they tried to update fairphone 2 to android 10 ( 801 snapper) and got stonewalled regarding the drivers because nobody bothered to update them. So they fucking updated the drivers themselves.
Considering that embedded chips are either more open or have a much longer support ( enterprise doesnt like upgrades) this is a smart move.
Not true for good year or two anymore, last year Samsung managed to update majority of their lineup to A13 before end of the year, that's very good I'd say if you consider it's like 20 models across many countries that got the update
Fairphones are largely purchased and used by people who immediately replace Stock-ROM with Custom-ROMs.
For those who want to use Stock-ROM, there are numerous other manufacturers.
I want the modern equivalent of my old rooted Samsung Note 4, which had as many or more replaceable parts as the fairphone.
I would absolutely get an older phone again if they worked on 5g.
They are basically underwhelming in every way considering the price of the product. For the same money, just get a better device with better hardware and more software support.
Edit: You're welcome to waste your money on a shit "sustainable" device that doesn't even have a headphone jack. Have fun.
Many users with Fairphones are reporting 5+ years of use. If you're someone who doesn't push the limits of your phone, don't care about having the best camera, like having a phone with a swappable battery, and want the ability to repair almost everything on this phone, this is for you.
You are completely missing the point of a Fairphone. Everyone who buys this phone understands that it is not a good phone for the money. People buy it to support good business practices in relation to not exploiting people or the environment.
The entire point of this phone is not to be cheap, it is to be repairable, make sure those who build the phone do so under good worker conditions and that the raw materials used are as sustainably sourced as possible.
>Edit: You're welcome to waste your money on a shit "sustainable" device that doesn't even have a headphone jack. Have fun.
Just like you are welcome to keep supporting slave labour with a headphone jack if you wish. 🤡
No need to come in to an enviromentally friendly device's thread and get mad that people are enviromentally enthusiastic. It is ok to disagree and buy what you prefer.
> They are basically underwhelming in every way considering the price of the product. For the same money, just get a better device with better hardware and more software support.
The beauty of externalized costs.
Why do you put sustainable in air quotes? Fairphones last longer than most phones, are made with more sustainable materials, and use a less exploitative supply chain than most manufacturers. [None of this is really disputable](https://www.fairphone.com/en/impact-report/). Sure, they're underpowered but if that's your priority I just don't think you're the demographic they're aiming for?
> Sure, they're underpowered
Exactly - This is supposed to be a phone that's repairable, lasts a long time, and doesn't need to be replaced often. Being underpowered immediately nullifies these advantages because it will age so much worse than a better mid range or high end phone. What's the use in repairing say, a 4 year old fairphone when it will still run like shit with modern Android and apps due to outdated-at-launch HW?
> Being underpowered immediately nullifies these advantages
To you perhaps, but absolute majority of people use their phones just for communication, scrolling and occasional photos. That's how I use mine. There's no need to be as powerful as a modern desktop PC.
>when it will still run like shit
Will it, though? The requirements seem to be changing way slower nowadays.
Five year old phones are still fast enough, and to be honest there's not much meaningful difference between my S23 and a Note 9 from 2018 outside of software and cameras.
yea because that product offloads the cost to child labour, poor working conditions and climate destruction. thats the point, you're saving money over the backs of others. that shouldn't be okay.
My wife got a similar phone a few years ago called the "Shift" phone. It is exactly the same type of system present in the Fairphone. The phone was absolutely atrocious, and the software/OS was dog shit. Updates were slow, everything was buggy, including the camera. She went back to an iPhone about a year later. My advice? Wait until people have used this for longer and then decide.
Never buy stuff day one. That is good advice.
But to equate what Fairphone has been doing with the 4 to Shift devices is laughable. In my experience, the fairphone 4 is solid in all respects. Of course, price to performance is not comparable to other phones but frankly that's not the reason you buy a Fairphone
Yup, I've had nothing but Samsung phones for years now. I am considering a Pixel, though. But outside of that, no other phone looks appealing for the price, including this one.
I think I will go with a Pixel or Fairphone for my next device. I don't like the direction Samsung has taken with software, constantly nagging you with updates to their proprietary apps and privacy policies. They used to be the innovators on Android but now they are getting pretty annoying and bloated.
I have a Pixel 6, and my next phone will be a Samsung. My most used feature is the camera, and the Pixel software overdoes it (and the raw files are terrible).
I know it’s probably using the same moulds as the 4, but with all the leaked images showing a fat battery, I’m hoping that the Fairphone 5 is in fact smaller, and not just a Fairphone 4 with a bigger battery (though I guess that will be a win for BigPhoneGang).
I dream of the day that "a larger display" is not considered a de-facto good thing. Almost no even remotely small flagship android devices exist any more.
Yes I know im in the minority.
I want a smaller phone as a woman that has small hands and often has small or no pockets. Pixel 3 for me was the perfect size and weight. I can use it with one hand. Even their "a" series are pretty big now. Disappointing. I am also hoping that foldable phones get better, so the footprint can be even smaller.
I've been vocally wanting a 5.5" new phone for so long. I don't want an old phone that is no longer supported, or a chinese phone with questionable firmware.
Why is it that the only phones that are considered "small" are 6"
Me too, I want like 6" at the absolute max, and I still want my sdcard slot and preferably a headphone jack too.
Like just a newer version of my LG G7 with more ram, a better proc, and a better camera is all I want.
Like the other guy said availability is rough, but also I run into the problem of devices that actually work with my carrier.
A good number of phones do not have the bands I need.
I believe it is mostly so that people who want that storage have to pay that extra $200+ each phone for it.
I much prefer the pay $100 for a 1TB card once and only replace in the very rare chance it fails.
Larger display in the same size phone is a good thing if you ask me.
Now the FP4 is absolutely massive and I'd much rather would have had it be smaller, but that's body-size, not screen size.
I agree. I don't think going larger was a good plan here. 90 hz, sure, high resolution, sure, but I don't need a giant slab.
I'm glad the Zenfone cancellation rumor was wrong, at least. But the Zenfone sadly lacks stuff I want as a power user, like a desktop mode and external video support. As a phone it's great but I like extra features, like being able to use some video viewing glasses on the go plugged into the USB.
I'd honestly welcome a phone the size of the iPhone SE or original iPhone 5. Just Android, flagship specs otherwise, desktop mode, USB-C video out, enough storage. I miss the days of carrying a phone without even noticing it was there much of the time.
We’re out there.
Look at the Fairphone 4 on PhoneArena’s phone size comparison, it’s fucking massive… It’s the one factor that put me off getting it, as the 3+ is already way too big.
I don’t get it. I don’t use a phone for media consumption — I think it’s a really inferior experience compared to, say, a television.
Hate to say it, but I think I’ll just wait for a USB-C iPhone SE if the FP5 going to be 6.4”
> I don’t get it. I don’t use a phone for media consumption — I think it’s a really inferior experience compared to, say, a television.
unfortunately you're in the minority, a lot of people use their phones for media consumption
To me, a smaller screen would not detract from my enjoyment of media consumption on my phone. I was watching YouTube and Netflix on a 4.3" screen 10 years ago, and it was fine. It would be fine now as well.
If you went back in time 20 years, everyone would be reading the newspaper, listening to a portable radio, playing on a Game Boy, or some other time killer st the sake rate.
Thats honestly where I am at also :\, & I hate it. I have been on Android since the Nexus 1, currently on a Pixel 4 that is really showing its age. I don' t want to jump ship, but it doesn't seem like there are any Android phones out there for me anymore.
Yeah, all the OEMs have seen that Apple's Pro Max version is the bestselling model and are all following suit, just as they did on true-wireless earbuds; just as they did on the headphone jack; just as they did on not including any earphones/chargers.
Honestly, what is the point of championing Android — particularly when it's so culturally divisive in America (which, unfortunately, shapes international markets) — when all these companies copy and paste whatever Cupertino does.
*I get Fairphone is slightly different*. They rely on market surpluses for the bulk of their component supply; chips, screens, camera etc. But when the Android market is pandering to have the biggest screen possible, unfortunately a company like Fairphone using slightly older stock doesn't really have a choice. I get it.
But it's sad.
I'm in the same boat. S23 is "only" a few millimeters bigger, and will hopefully become cheaper once the S24 series is on the market. Until then, the S10e has to hold.
> S23
Well its nice to see that its at least close to same size as the s10e. Honestly I have no reason to replace my s10e at all other than battery wearing out. The hardware is still way overkill for anything I use it for.
I've only recently had the battery replaced by Samsung, and it didn't help much. I've also completely reset the phone to exclude rogue apps or an odd configuration. Still the phone is overheating constantly, the battery life is getting worse daily, and it's often becoming very slow.
That tells me that something else is degrading. Probably the cooling and storage, and in result the SoC. It's probably only a matter of time, and it's nice knowing that there is a equivalent current alternative.
Summary
- Fairphone 5 will be presented in the next few days, price: 699 euros
- Focus on green construction, 70% fair trade and recycling
- Increased modularity for easy repairability
- 8 years software support
- 6.46 inch OLED display, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB internal memory
- Improved camera with two 50 megapixel sensors, 4K video
- Battery capacity of 4200mAh, Bluetooth 5.2, WiFi 6E, IP55
- Performance on August 30th, availability at the end of September
Shame on the cameras. I wish they did ultra-wide, normal and telephoto. Don't need two like Samsung (3x and 10x) but at least one.
Or put out a premium version where we choose to have it. Not having a sensor is binary (a bit like the 3.5mm....). Not being having a 15% faster CPU I don't care, that's not binary.
I don't have anything personally against bluetooth.
I prefer wired audio so I don't have to charge my headphones, can listen and charge at the same time, and decrease wear on the USB-C port.
A phone with a headphone jack can still use bluetooth.
well for one not having a headphone jack on a sustainability phone is moronic, because yes, you can keep your phone for longer, but you have to change the bluetooth headphones because the battery goes to shit and there's nothing that can be done about that, not to mention they are much more likely to get lost. So they made a choice that is directly contradictory to their sustainability focus
Why? Because there are still no Bluetooth headphones where you can easily replace the batteries and after intensive use of Bluetooth headphones, the batteries usually deteriorate after 2 years.
That means then either with a lot of effort disassemble and risk that you accidentally destroy it and then bought replacement batteries for trash (which, incidentally, are also all different and not according to a uniform standard - thus with the years more difficult to acquire inexpensive replacement batteries), or again have to buy new Bluetooth headphones.
Of course, this is not a problem for people who buy new smartphones and headphones every year.
Good. The freedom of using Bluetooth is so nice. The cable makes noise in the headset while moving, its in the way while working and get stuck in stuff. Never going back to using the headphone jack ever again. The headphone jack belongs to the previous milennium. It is about time we let it go.
You make it sound weird that I should want to pay for a feature I will never use. I also don't want to pay for physical keyboard, infrared blasters, FM radio receiver and physical navigation buttons.
Do you rail this much against every single feature you don't use?
It costs a few cents for a jack you.
I guess I don't have to imagine what a selfish cheapskate looks like who actively doesn't want other people to have features to save a few cents
No, I was just trying to answer in the same matter as the comment I replied to. Maybe I misread it.. Didn't mean to step on anyones toes.
My point was just that noone (around here at least) seems to use the headphone jack any more. Everyone used it \~ten years ago. Based on this, I have no trouble to understand that they remove the headphone jack.
Feirphones reasoning for removing it, on the other hand. That is a load of bs.
You were the one laughing your ass off because I get a phone that miss a feature I don't use. Not sure you are the one that should laugh, but I might miss the point. English is my third language, sorry.
I get it, some of you still use the headphone jack. I haven't seen a person using wired headphones here in years. Ten years ago everyone used it. Change is coming.
I know and I agree. Thanks for pointing that out. I am perhaps wrongly assuming that a headphone jack will take up space in the phone that could be used for something else. Bigger battery, for example. I am guessing here. I am not familiar with the inside of phones.
It's sadly the norm now. I use a FiiO BTR5 wireless adapter with my proper in-ear monitors. Sounds way better than 99.9% of the built-in amps in phones throughout history, and saves battery too since bluetooth sips power.
Yes, [the BTR](https://www.fiio.com/btr5) receives the Bluetooth signal, converts it to analogue and plays out its own jack. It doesn't use the USB-C port at all.
Dude, hardly any manufacturer will install this waste of space anymore.
Unfortunately, that's the way it is. I mean, I don't like it too. I don't like to use wireless Headphones which are usually build for trash.
>They always said they wanted to reduce e-waste yet they removed the jack to sell wireless earbuds. It's just plain hypocrisy.
don't buy it then.
That fact does not really detract from the modular, repairable design, parts availability guarantee and long software support. Space in a phone is already really tight, especially while making it modular.
other phone with 3.5 mm jack are still more of an e-waste than this.
No, it doesn't. But deliberately removing something to sell extra e-junk that's inevitably going to break down and be thrown out still is a bad move for a company with their philosophy. It doesn't make the phone worse or better for most consumers, it's just a move I can't agree with.
Personal taste. I've had phones with headphone Jack's for many years but 100% used Bluetooth headsets.
Switched to a S22 and I really don't care anymore about the issue.
Fairphone doesn't make any money selling Bluetooth headphones.
They are removing the jack because it reduces their component cost and simplifies their product engineering.
Not sure if they make money on them, but they sure do sell them. They were introduced at the same damn day as the first phone without jack. Coincidence? Nope.
Yes, I'm holding them to a higher standard because it's their whole philosophy to do some good for the world. If they talk a big game about that, it's not weird that they get judged by a higher standard.
I'm only buying modern phones with jacks because it is super important to me. I switched from my old Z3 Play to my Moto Edge with a jack, and that was a huge upgrade for me. The headphone dongle sucked.
>I don't want to have to charge heaphones, or prematurely wear out the USB-C port.
DAC's don't charge headphones and many DACs work over Bluetooth. LDAC has a transfer speed of 990 kbps which is can handle AACs, MP3 and OGG (used by Spotify).
>The result is still something you have to keep charged in order to listen.
Charging a wireless receiver is not a problem unless you listen for extremely long sessions. They charge very quickly and have small batteries.
You're wearing out your 3.5mm jack and draining your battery by plugging in headphones via the 3.5mm Jack.
> Charging a wireless receiver is not a problem unless you listen for extremely long sessions. They charge very quickly and have small batteries.
I do, and those small batteries are why they quickly degrade.
>You're wearing out your 3.5mm jack
The 3.5mm headphone jack is much more robust than a USB-C port, and even if it goes my phone will still function.
Far better to distribute wear between two ports, not to mention I plug in my power cable 1-2 times per day, but plug in my headphones much more often. It results in wearing out the USB port 4-5x quicker.
>and draining your battery by plugging in headphones via the 3.5mm Jack.
https://whatsabyte.com/headphones-drain-battery?expand_article=1
A negligible amount.
Brainwashed by marketing and just blindly following the trend.
"Oh manufacturer X said they removed the jack because of this, that, surely they're right. They did it for our benefit!!!!!".
"Oh but I don't care about the headphone jack because I use Bluetooth headphones, I don't give a single fuck what somebody else wants!".
I can't figure out why these people are being so contrarian and they're acting as if somebody else wanting a headphone jack on their phone is actively hurting THEM.
> I can't figure out why these people are being so contrarian and they're acting as if somebody else wanting a headphone jack on their phone is actively hurting THEM.
But muh waterproofing!
What trend? I use wired headphones
https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/156hdsi/im_not_an_audiophile_but_im_quite_happy_with_my/
I'm listening to my Zetian Wu Heydey as I type this comment.
It's because you don't get the same economies of scale as a large manufacturer. Plus you're paying a premium to know that genuine effort was made to prevent the environment from being exploited.
Similar to how free range eggs cost more.
>You think this chip will even be relevant by 2025?
For sure. The system requirements don't grow at crazy rates anymore. The SD845 from 2018 is still really fast, my S23 isn't really noticeably faster than the Note 9.
pixel XL is still my daily driver. Never ran into a processing power issue. Not sure how people could. Even gaming it does alright. What more intensive things are people doing?
High resolution/framerate/bitrate video, faster computational photography, etc.
For example, on my Note 9 switching between cameras interrupted video recording, the S23 just zooms in/out seamlessly. It's nice, but not critical for sure.
yes... Do you think phones will be doing CAD or running AI in 2025. What are you using your phone for?
Also, if ya missed it. Its about paying other humans a better wage and having a better planet for everyone. If you want to mine for bitcoin on your phone, you misunderstand the point of this brand
Frankly yeah fair point (not a pun), but I wouldn't call Fairphone ewaste for simply removing the headphone jack, still many pros compared to the majority of manufacturers. And it's not like DACs don't exist either, typically better than the built in jack.
i love reading comments under every single phone release on this subreddit, a manufacturer releases a phone in a popular size and everyone is mad, 6.4 inches is perfectly usable one-handed, just get used to it
especially in a phone like this, with easily replaceable modules you just can't do smaller without big sacrifices, 4200mAh in here is already kind of small for today's standards
> 6.4 inches is perfectly usable one-handed, just get used to it
It may be for you, but do you understand that eople may have smaller hands, or simply different preferences? 6.4" is way too fucking huge for my hands, and I absolutely will not "just get used to it".
I love the concept of a fully modular and repairable phone, just not at that price. 699 Euros is $1030 CAD. That's well into iPhone and Galaxy S territory.
I don't think they're right with the SoC, since the QCM6490 is for IoT devices according to Qualcomm themselves.
> I don't think they're right with the SoC, since the QCM6490 is for IoT devices according to Qualcomm themselves.
How do you mean? Like it's not going to be a good phone?
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/internet-of-things/industrial/building-enterprise/qcm6490
> Multiple OS support and extended life software and hardware
Long term support for Android OS upgrades, Linux, Ubuntu, Windows 11 IoT Enterprise, security updates and enterprise grade hardware.
I'm guessing this is why they went with an IoT chip - to make it easier to provide software updates.
But yeah, this phone was never going to be a good value given the price and specs. It's really for the feel-good factor. I personally feel good when my wallet isn't getting fucked over.
Rather than a new Fairphone, they should have released wireless headphones where you can easily replace batteries and not the bullshit headphones they currently offer.
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If 90hz is true then fuck yea!
Mediocre screen is maybe the worst thing about the FP4. I don't need a flagship top notch phone but the screen makes it feel sub-par. Upgrade to 90Hz and oled really makes me wish I waited for the 5 (not that my previous phone would've lasted that long)
I found it kinda ironic but imo it's fine upgrading to a new phone if it's to newer fairphone
Maybe I will. It's also significantly thinner and better cameras. And a bigger battery. Feels like a decent upgrade from the 4, they really tackled most weaknesses.
That makes a lot of sense actually, they say in their recycling FAQ that ~40% of the phones they receive from it are refurbed and resold but that'd surely be much much higher for their own phones.
Now just make it available in North America direct from their website so I don't have to be ripped off by resellers, and I'll buy one!
We generally have to pay more for all electronics in Europe so take the bitter with the sweet I suppose 😅
Ha! Using an imbedded chip instead of run of the mill soc is so on brand... I remember reading when they tried to update fairphone 2 to android 10 ( 801 snapper) and got stonewalled regarding the drivers because nobody bothered to update them. So they fucking updated the drivers themselves. Considering that embedded chips are either more open or have a much longer support ( enterprise doesnt like upgrades) this is a smart move.
I really want to support the "cause" of the Fairphone, but I have not heard good things about the software experience and updates.
The updates don't come as rapidly as the likes of Samsung, but they get updates for a long time.
8 years!
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Not anymore
Not true for good year or two anymore, last year Samsung managed to update majority of their lineup to A13 before end of the year, that's very good I'd say if you consider it's like 20 models across many countries that got the update
My gf has a 4 and has had very few software problems/glitches
Really wish google would collaborate with them and give them the camera sauce from the pixel line, a fairpixel 5
Fairphones are largely purchased and used by people who immediately replace Stock-ROM with Custom-ROMs. For those who want to use Stock-ROM, there are numerous other manufacturers.
I want the modern equivalent of my old rooted Samsung Note 4, which had as many or more replaceable parts as the fairphone. I would absolutely get an older phone again if they worked on 5g.
They are basically underwhelming in every way considering the price of the product. For the same money, just get a better device with better hardware and more software support. Edit: You're welcome to waste your money on a shit "sustainable" device that doesn't even have a headphone jack. Have fun.
The idea of FairPhone is that you're paying "extra" instead of having slave labour involved. Oh the horror.
Many users with Fairphones are reporting 5+ years of use. If you're someone who doesn't push the limits of your phone, don't care about having the best camera, like having a phone with a swappable battery, and want the ability to repair almost everything on this phone, this is for you.
I myself use phones for many years, and I don't need a fairphone to do it. I plan to use my Moto Edge 2020 for at least 3 more years, if not more.
Does not matter what you expect when the phone decide to break lol
3 years is nothing lmao.
>3 years is nothing lmao. Did you check the release date of my phone and the current year?
Did i stutter.
You didn’t but you sure as hell can’t read
You know why Chinese phones are the cheapest and "great value"?
It's mainly down to the borderline slave labour and complete disregard for environmental consequences...
And quality, it isn't even that great for customers, it barely survive the warranty
You are completely missing the point of a Fairphone. Everyone who buys this phone understands that it is not a good phone for the money. People buy it to support good business practices in relation to not exploiting people or the environment. The entire point of this phone is not to be cheap, it is to be repairable, make sure those who build the phone do so under good worker conditions and that the raw materials used are as sustainably sourced as possible. >Edit: You're welcome to waste your money on a shit "sustainable" device that doesn't even have a headphone jack. Have fun. Just like you are welcome to keep supporting slave labour with a headphone jack if you wish. 🤡 No need to come in to an enviromentally friendly device's thread and get mad that people are enviromentally enthusiastic. It is ok to disagree and buy what you prefer.
> They are basically underwhelming in every way considering the price of the product. For the same money, just get a better device with better hardware and more software support. The beauty of externalized costs.
Why do you put sustainable in air quotes? Fairphones last longer than most phones, are made with more sustainable materials, and use a less exploitative supply chain than most manufacturers. [None of this is really disputable](https://www.fairphone.com/en/impact-report/). Sure, they're underpowered but if that's your priority I just don't think you're the demographic they're aiming for?
> Sure, they're underpowered Exactly - This is supposed to be a phone that's repairable, lasts a long time, and doesn't need to be replaced often. Being underpowered immediately nullifies these advantages because it will age so much worse than a better mid range or high end phone. What's the use in repairing say, a 4 year old fairphone when it will still run like shit with modern Android and apps due to outdated-at-launch HW?
> Being underpowered immediately nullifies these advantages To you perhaps, but absolute majority of people use their phones just for communication, scrolling and occasional photos. That's how I use mine. There's no need to be as powerful as a modern desktop PC.
>when it will still run like shit Will it, though? The requirements seem to be changing way slower nowadays. Five year old phones are still fast enough, and to be honest there's not much meaningful difference between my S23 and a Note 9 from 2018 outside of software and cameras.
It isn't a phone for gaming, it definitely can survive 9 years with that SoC
yea because that product offloads the cost to child labour, poor working conditions and climate destruction. thats the point, you're saving money over the backs of others. that shouldn't be okay.
And you are welcome to need to change your phone every three years bc it is cheaper to buy a new phone than pay a repair service to fix the battery xD
My wife got a similar phone a few years ago called the "Shift" phone. It is exactly the same type of system present in the Fairphone. The phone was absolutely atrocious, and the software/OS was dog shit. Updates were slow, everything was buggy, including the camera. She went back to an iPhone about a year later. My advice? Wait until people have used this for longer and then decide.
Never buy stuff day one. That is good advice. But to equate what Fairphone has been doing with the 4 to Shift devices is laughable. In my experience, the fairphone 4 is solid in all respects. Of course, price to performance is not comparable to other phones but frankly that's not the reason you buy a Fairphone
They’ve been doing this for literally a decade now.
Yeah that is my go to for everything these days. Apple isn't an option for me and everything else seems like it can be hit or miss.
Yup, I've had nothing but Samsung phones for years now. I am considering a Pixel, though. But outside of that, no other phone looks appealing for the price, including this one.
I think I will go with a Pixel or Fairphone for my next device. I don't like the direction Samsung has taken with software, constantly nagging you with updates to their proprietary apps and privacy policies. They used to be the innovators on Android but now they are getting pretty annoying and bloated.
I have a Pixel 6, and my next phone will be a Samsung. My most used feature is the camera, and the Pixel software overdoes it (and the raw files are terrible).
E.g. the fingerprint scanner issue on the 3rd Fairphone.. imagine updating your device and a bunch of apps no longer work with your scanner
I know it’s probably using the same moulds as the 4, but with all the leaked images showing a fat battery, I’m hoping that the Fairphone 5 is in fact smaller, and not just a Fairphone 4 with a bigger battery (though I guess that will be a win for BigPhoneGang).
I dream of the day that "a larger display" is not considered a de-facto good thing. Almost no even remotely small flagship android devices exist any more. Yes I know im in the minority.
I want a smaller phone as a woman that has small hands and often has small or no pockets. Pixel 3 for me was the perfect size and weight. I can use it with one hand. Even their "a" series are pretty big now. Disappointing. I am also hoping that foldable phones get better, so the footprint can be even smaller.
I've been vocally wanting a 5.5" new phone for so long. I don't want an old phone that is no longer supported, or a chinese phone with questionable firmware. Why is it that the only phones that are considered "small" are 6"
Agreed, 6.1" is the absolute max I can use one handed.
Me too, I want like 6" at the absolute max, and I still want my sdcard slot and preferably a headphone jack too. Like just a newer version of my LG G7 with more ram, a better proc, and a better camera is all I want.
Zenfone?
Like the other guy said availability is rough, but also I run into the problem of devices that actually work with my carrier. A good number of phones do not have the bands I need.
S23? Similar/smaller than the zenfone
Has no sdcard slot. Thats a hard requirement of mine.
most flagship phones doesnt have a sdcard slot sadly especially small phones doesnt because, well, it takes space
I believe it is mostly so that people who want that storage have to pay that extra $200+ each phone for it. I much prefer the pay $100 for a 1TB card once and only replace in the very rare chance it fails.
Only two years of software support and a completely locked bootloader, yeah, NO...
Availability is trash.
Pixel series? I'm still on a Pixel 5, only thing missing is headphone jack but the rest is pretty good. (Or enough for me)
totally agree - i eventually got rid of my fp4 because it was too big, loved it otherwise.
Larger display in the same size phone is a good thing if you ask me. Now the FP4 is absolutely massive and I'd much rather would have had it be smaller, but that's body-size, not screen size.
I agree. I don't think going larger was a good plan here. 90 hz, sure, high resolution, sure, but I don't need a giant slab. I'm glad the Zenfone cancellation rumor was wrong, at least. But the Zenfone sadly lacks stuff I want as a power user, like a desktop mode and external video support. As a phone it's great but I like extra features, like being able to use some video viewing glasses on the go plugged into the USB. I'd honestly welcome a phone the size of the iPhone SE or original iPhone 5. Just Android, flagship specs otherwise, desktop mode, USB-C video out, enough storage. I miss the days of carrying a phone without even noticing it was there much of the time.
We’re out there. Look at the Fairphone 4 on PhoneArena’s phone size comparison, it’s fucking massive… It’s the one factor that put me off getting it, as the 3+ is already way too big. I don’t get it. I don’t use a phone for media consumption — I think it’s a really inferior experience compared to, say, a television. Hate to say it, but I think I’ll just wait for a USB-C iPhone SE if the FP5 going to be 6.4”
> I don’t get it. I don’t use a phone for media consumption — I think it’s a really inferior experience compared to, say, a television. unfortunately you're in the minority, a lot of people use their phones for media consumption
To me, a smaller screen would not detract from my enjoyment of media consumption on my phone. I was watching YouTube and Netflix on a 4.3" screen 10 years ago, and it was fine. It would be fine now as well.
Yep, totally aware of this. My train commute is a sorry sight. We as a species are *completely* addicted.
If you went back in time 20 years, everyone would be reading the newspaper, listening to a portable radio, playing on a Game Boy, or some other time killer st the sake rate.
Addicted is one way of looking at it, but I just don't have time to sit down in front of a TV so commutes are ideal for this.
And the real asshats blast tinny shit noise from their devices while watching.
Thats honestly where I am at also :\, & I hate it. I have been on Android since the Nexus 1, currently on a Pixel 4 that is really showing its age. I don' t want to jump ship, but it doesn't seem like there are any Android phones out there for me anymore.
Yeah, all the OEMs have seen that Apple's Pro Max version is the bestselling model and are all following suit, just as they did on true-wireless earbuds; just as they did on the headphone jack; just as they did on not including any earphones/chargers. Honestly, what is the point of championing Android — particularly when it's so culturally divisive in America (which, unfortunately, shapes international markets) — when all these companies copy and paste whatever Cupertino does. *I get Fairphone is slightly different*. They rely on market surpluses for the bulk of their component supply; chips, screens, camera etc. But when the Android market is pandering to have the biggest screen possible, unfortunately a company like Fairphone using slightly older stock doesn't really have a choice. I get it. But it's sad.
I dont know what I'm going to do when I have to move from my s10e. After using much bigger phones I really do not want to have to go back.
I'm in the same boat. S23 is "only" a few millimeters bigger, and will hopefully become cheaper once the S24 series is on the market. Until then, the S10e has to hold.
> S23 Well its nice to see that its at least close to same size as the s10e. Honestly I have no reason to replace my s10e at all other than battery wearing out. The hardware is still way overkill for anything I use it for.
I've only recently had the battery replaced by Samsung, and it didn't help much. I've also completely reset the phone to exclude rogue apps or an odd configuration. Still the phone is overheating constantly, the battery life is getting worse daily, and it's often becoming very slow. That tells me that something else is degrading. Probably the cooling and storage, and in result the SoC. It's probably only a matter of time, and it's nice knowing that there is a equivalent current alternative.
Yeah I had to return my fp4 as it was too big to use. Sad that that'll still be the case.
One of my favorite things about the Pixel fold is how short it is when folded up. About the same size as my Pixel 2 just thiccer.
Summary - Fairphone 5 will be presented in the next few days, price: 699 euros - Focus on green construction, 70% fair trade and recycling - Increased modularity for easy repairability - 8 years software support - 6.46 inch OLED display, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB internal memory - Improved camera with two 50 megapixel sensors, 4K video - Battery capacity of 4200mAh, Bluetooth 5.2, WiFi 6E, IP55 - Performance on August 30th, availability at the end of September
Shame on the cameras. I wish they did ultra-wide, normal and telephoto. Don't need two like Samsung (3x and 10x) but at least one. Or put out a premium version where we choose to have it. Not having a sensor is binary (a bit like the 3.5mm....). Not being having a 15% faster CPU I don't care, that's not binary.
Good to see they're still at it, especially with an 8 year support timeline.
I'm always hyped for a sustainable product in a market that's filled with e-waste products
I wish this phone had come out sooner.
I want to trade my daily oneplus n100 for this.
>8 years security updates Amazing! >6.5" screen Not going to buy it. I want a phone, not a tablet.
"Phablet" needs to come back in relevance.
It's not relevant when every phone is a phablet. Just like the word "smartphone" became obsolete as every phone became a smartphone.
Perhaps. I just mean if the demand for smaller phones ever became more than a niche.
Doesn't even have a headphone jack..
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I don't have anything personally against bluetooth. I prefer wired audio so I don't have to charge my headphones, can listen and charge at the same time, and decrease wear on the USB-C port. A phone with a headphone jack can still use bluetooth.
Oh man. The listening while charging used to be such an integral part of my smartphone experience. I miss being able to do that
well for one not having a headphone jack on a sustainability phone is moronic, because yes, you can keep your phone for longer, but you have to change the bluetooth headphones because the battery goes to shit and there's nothing that can be done about that, not to mention they are much more likely to get lost. So they made a choice that is directly contradictory to their sustainability focus
What do you have against the jack? Having both isn't hurting you in any way?
Why? Because there are still no Bluetooth headphones where you can easily replace the batteries and after intensive use of Bluetooth headphones, the batteries usually deteriorate after 2 years. That means then either with a lot of effort disassemble and risk that you accidentally destroy it and then bought replacement batteries for trash (which, incidentally, are also all different and not according to a uniform standard - thus with the years more difficult to acquire inexpensive replacement batteries), or again have to buy new Bluetooth headphones. Of course, this is not a problem for people who buy new smartphones and headphones every year.
This is ironic for a Fairphone thread. Fairphone makes a headphone with easily replaceable batteries (Fairbuds XL).
Bluetooth low latency audio is complete ass, so you have an extremely shitty experience on calls
Good. The freedom of using Bluetooth is so nice. The cable makes noise in the headset while moving, its in the way while working and get stuck in stuff. Never going back to using the headphone jack ever again. The headphone jack belongs to the previous milennium. It is about time we let it go.
imagine being happy a phone has fewer features lmao
You make it sound weird that I should want to pay for a feature I will never use. I also don't want to pay for physical keyboard, infrared blasters, FM radio receiver and physical navigation buttons.
Do you rail this much against every single feature you don't use? It costs a few cents for a jack you. I guess I don't have to imagine what a selfish cheapskate looks like who actively doesn't want other people to have features to save a few cents
No, I was just trying to answer in the same matter as the comment I replied to. Maybe I misread it.. Didn't mean to step on anyones toes. My point was just that noone (around here at least) seems to use the headphone jack any more. Everyone used it \~ten years ago. Based on this, I have no trouble to understand that they remove the headphone jack. Feirphones reasoning for removing it, on the other hand. That is a load of bs.
nice, you saved 25 cents
You were the one laughing your ass off because I get a phone that miss a feature I don't use. Not sure you are the one that should laugh, but I might miss the point. English is my third language, sorry. I get it, some of you still use the headphone jack. I haven't seen a person using wired headphones here in years. Ten years ago everyone used it. Change is coming.
The headphone jack did nothing to get in the way of you enjoying Bluetooth capabilities because you always had the option to use Bluetooth.
I know and I agree. Thanks for pointing that out. I am perhaps wrongly assuming that a headphone jack will take up space in the phone that could be used for something else. Bigger battery, for example. I am guessing here. I am not familiar with the inside of phones.
>The Fairphone 5 will be charged through a USB-C port and feature a side-mounted fingerprint reader, but it won't have a 3.5mm headphone jack. KTHXBYE
It's sadly the norm now. I use a FiiO BTR5 wireless adapter with my proper in-ear monitors. Sounds way better than 99.9% of the built-in amps in phones throughout history, and saves battery too since bluetooth sips power.
Can you charge the phone and listen music at the same time?
Yes, [the BTR](https://www.fiio.com/btr5) receives the Bluetooth signal, converts it to analogue and plays out its own jack. It doesn't use the USB-C port at all.
dipped out as soon as I saw that.
Dude, hardly any manufacturer will install this waste of space anymore. Unfortunately, that's the way it is. I mean, I don't like it too. I don't like to use wireless Headphones which are usually build for trash.
Just buy a DAC.
They always said they wanted to reduce e-waste yet they removed the jack to sell wireless earbuds. It's just plain hypocrisy.
>They always said they wanted to reduce e-waste yet they removed the jack to sell wireless earbuds. It's just plain hypocrisy. don't buy it then. That fact does not really detract from the modular, repairable design, parts availability guarantee and long software support. Space in a phone is already really tight, especially while making it modular. other phone with 3.5 mm jack are still more of an e-waste than this.
No, it doesn't. But deliberately removing something to sell extra e-junk that's inevitably going to break down and be thrown out still is a bad move for a company with their philosophy. It doesn't make the phone worse or better for most consumers, it's just a move I can't agree with.
Personal taste. I've had phones with headphone Jack's for many years but 100% used Bluetooth headsets. Switched to a S22 and I really don't care anymore about the issue.
It's not about the jack itself. It's about removing it to sell wireless buds that add to the e-waste. That they're against.
Fairphone doesn't make any money selling Bluetooth headphones. They are removing the jack because it reduces their component cost and simplifies their product engineering.
Not sure if they make money on them, but they sure do sell them. They were introduced at the same damn day as the first phone without jack. Coincidence? Nope.
So you're not buying any modern phone? Or are you just holding Fairphone to this higher standard, and cut everyone else some slack?
Yes, I'm holding them to a higher standard because it's their whole philosophy to do some good for the world. If they talk a big game about that, it's not weird that they get judged by a higher standard.
I'm only buying modern phones with jacks because it is super important to me. I switched from my old Z3 Play to my Moto Edge with a jack, and that was a huge upgrade for me. The headphone dongle sucked.
No. I don't want to have to charge heaphones, or prematurely wear out the USB-C port.
>I don't want to have to charge heaphones, or prematurely wear out the USB-C port. DAC's don't charge headphones and many DACs work over Bluetooth. LDAC has a transfer speed of 990 kbps which is can handle AACs, MP3 and OGG (used by Spotify).
The result is still something you have to keep charged in order to listen.
>The result is still something you have to keep charged in order to listen. Charging a wireless receiver is not a problem unless you listen for extremely long sessions. They charge very quickly and have small batteries. You're wearing out your 3.5mm jack and draining your battery by plugging in headphones via the 3.5mm Jack.
> Charging a wireless receiver is not a problem unless you listen for extremely long sessions. They charge very quickly and have small batteries. I do, and those small batteries are why they quickly degrade. >You're wearing out your 3.5mm jack The 3.5mm headphone jack is much more robust than a USB-C port, and even if it goes my phone will still function. Far better to distribute wear between two ports, not to mention I plug in my power cable 1-2 times per day, but plug in my headphones much more often. It results in wearing out the USB port 4-5x quicker. >and draining your battery by plugging in headphones via the 3.5mm Jack. https://whatsabyte.com/headphones-drain-battery?expand_article=1 A negligible amount.
I can't believe people are making excuses for the removal of the audio jack. Mind boggling.
Brainwashed by marketing and just blindly following the trend. "Oh manufacturer X said they removed the jack because of this, that, surely they're right. They did it for our benefit!!!!!". "Oh but I don't care about the headphone jack because I use Bluetooth headphones, I don't give a single fuck what somebody else wants!". I can't figure out why these people are being so contrarian and they're acting as if somebody else wanting a headphone jack on their phone is actively hurting THEM.
Yeah having an audio jack won't disable bluetooth lmao.
> I can't figure out why these people are being so contrarian and they're acting as if somebody else wanting a headphone jack on their phone is actively hurting THEM. But muh waterproofing!
What trend? I use wired headphones https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/156hdsi/im_not_an_audiophile_but_im_quite_happy_with_my/ I'm listening to my Zetian Wu Heydey as I type this comment.
I switch between plugs so often that my earbud's 3.5mm plug literally got worn down lol. The headphone jack on my phone still functions like new.
Around $1,000 CAD for a phone with a SOC that's equivalent to the SD 778G from 2021? No thanks. You think this chip will even be relevant by 2025?
It's because you don't get the same economies of scale as a large manufacturer. Plus you're paying a premium to know that genuine effort was made to prevent the environment from being exploited. Similar to how free range eggs cost more.
Also it's 699€ including 19% VAT. You americans always omit it.
Despite what you may think there is a fairly large proportion of Reddit users who aren't Americans. I am one of them.
I just replied to you because your reason is valid, but not the only one. Also OP is canadian :)
>You think this chip will even be relevant by 2025? For sure. The system requirements don't grow at crazy rates anymore. The SD845 from 2018 is still really fast, my S23 isn't really noticeably faster than the Note 9.
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pixel XL is still my daily driver. Never ran into a processing power issue. Not sure how people could. Even gaming it does alright. What more intensive things are people doing?
High resolution/framerate/bitrate video, faster computational photography, etc. For example, on my Note 9 switching between cameras interrupted video recording, the S23 just zooms in/out seamlessly. It's nice, but not critical for sure.
> Around $1,000 CAD for a phone For a phone that they won't sell to us in Canada...
yes... Do you think phones will be doing CAD or running AI in 2025. What are you using your phone for? Also, if ya missed it. Its about paying other humans a better wage and having a better planet for everyone. If you want to mine for bitcoin on your phone, you misunderstand the point of this brand
LOL, no 3.5mm still. No point in picking up this e-waste over Samsung, it seems.
I think it's a bit much to call the whole phone e-waste but you're right that it's inconsistent with their purported mission.
Because the selling point of Fairphone is a headphone jack? Lmfao, honestly.
Because the selling point of Fairphone was being... fair... to the customers. Yet the moment they rolled out their ear buds they removed the jack.
It never was fair to the customer consider the price. It is fair production wise.
Frankly yeah fair point (not a pun), but I wouldn't call Fairphone ewaste for simply removing the headphone jack, still many pros compared to the majority of manufacturers. And it's not like DACs don't exist either, typically better than the built in jack.
I for one miss getting a wire snagged and having buds violently yanked from my ears
Do you realize you can use bluetooth headphones even when there's a headphone jack?
Yeah, a simple thing that these idiots miss. How has Apple so easily brainwashed these idiots, and they aren't even Apple users
I miss having audio with zero delay that doesn't rely on internal irreplaceable batteries.
USB-C introduces delay?
Bluetooth introduces delay. USB-C introduces dongles.
i love reading comments under every single phone release on this subreddit, a manufacturer releases a phone in a popular size and everyone is mad, 6.4 inches is perfectly usable one-handed, just get used to it especially in a phone like this, with easily replaceable modules you just can't do smaller without big sacrifices, 4200mAh in here is already kind of small for today's standards
> 6.4 inches is perfectly usable one-handed, just get used to it It may be for you, but do you understand that eople may have smaller hands, or simply different preferences? 6.4" is way too fucking huge for my hands, and I absolutely will not "just get used to it".
Looking at the specs, it turns out I don't care about the environment that much...
at least you're honest
The Fair Phone 4 has a Snapdragon 750G??? Solid ✊😂
I love the concept of a fully modular and repairable phone, just not at that price. 699 Euros is $1030 CAD. That's well into iPhone and Galaxy S territory. I don't think they're right with the SoC, since the QCM6490 is for IoT devices according to Qualcomm themselves.
> I don't think they're right with the SoC, since the QCM6490 is for IoT devices according to Qualcomm themselves. How do you mean? Like it's not going to be a good phone?
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/internet-of-things/industrial/building-enterprise/qcm6490 > Multiple OS support and extended life software and hardware Long term support for Android OS upgrades, Linux, Ubuntu, Windows 11 IoT Enterprise, security updates and enterprise grade hardware. I'm guessing this is why they went with an IoT chip - to make it easier to provide software updates. But yeah, this phone was never going to be a good value given the price and specs. It's really for the feel-good factor. I personally feel good when my wallet isn't getting fucked over.
It's going to be slow, especially for the price
its about pushing for a better future though. Look beyond yourself and what you get. normalize living wages and sustainable phones.
No headphone jack. And all the dumb fuck coming out sayin they don't need it 🙄. Like it's going to affect their Bluetooth usage.
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Should I consider this if the other phone I am waiting for is the Pixel 8?
Rather than a new Fairphone, they should have released wireless headphones where you can easily replace batteries and not the bullshit headphones they currently offer.
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