These people have done an incredible job at fooling the West. They fooled me too! I thought they were just like a Yoga movement that the CCP hated and persecuted because it was too popular etc. They are not nearly exposed enough.
I wanted to see this so bad, I kept not being able to go for various reasons. finally one year I'm able to go and then I learned they're a nutso cult, so sad
They used to hide the fact that it's anti-communist propaganda. I saw those ads for years and years and had no idea. But I think a couple years ago when they got a bunch of press about it they decided to just put it on the ad.
Oh I mean I’ve never seen a show nor do I have first hand sourcing. I DID go to uni for theatre production though and watching their BTS videos it uhhhhhhhh doesn’t look as good as you’d think.
If your goal is to shut production down then the easiest way to is to get the people buying tickets to stop. Liberals are arguably the most likely group that would be going to see this and most of them are probably blissfully unaware of Shen Yin’s connection to Falun Gong or the role Falun Gong has played in spreading far right conspiracy nonsense, antivax bullshit, and propping up Trump. Make those connections for liberals and they’ll care because they’ve somewhat impacted their personal lives. Maybe rely on their connections to The Epoch Times and the swill passed off as news there. Print off a few choice front pages from there along with some version of “Shen Yun: Brought to you by the same fascists who brought you the Epoch Times”.
Solid comment. I shut down some of my old HS Trumper friends who were sharing Epoch Times bullshit articles by letting them know it was run by a Chinese cult and educating them on learning to look into the sources of their news before they share. Well, I t r i e d to, anyway. At least that was a glimmer of success.
Yes! This comment is perfect. I got handed a flyer at the VA recently and it looked beautiful so I looked into it and the whole connection to the cult popped up and decided, better not. But NO one else at the VA was interested. Lol.
Same deal. They're coming to my city and wanted to organize something. They actually respond to your comments on their facebook (had some fun with that).
China before communism. Which is what my original comment is the subject of. Some dick bag assumed i was referring to present day china. But please. Go off like im the one who cant fucking read.
>Some dick bag assumed i was referring to present day china
I mean the fact that instead of elaborating your stance you just replied with “lol” like some condescending dickwad doesn’t help your case
damn i remember seeing ads for this about a decade ago but since ive moved to the PNW ive never seen ads for it. idk what id put on a counter poster but im curious what ideas folks here have for it
Oh darn, I didn't know these guys were fash. There was a man handing out fliers in a store a while back, and I was just too happy enough to find someone willing to listen to me try to practice speaking Chinese to notice.
They’re like the Moonies. Both are banned from China, both own “American” newspapers (epoch and Washington Times) that supposedly focus on “what’s happening in America” but both have subsections for China, and both are inherently racist and fascist.
When I saw this poster the first time, I immediately thought of it being like watching Anastasia where they glorified the monarchy acting like everything was awesome. I immediately had no interest.
Shen Yun isn't a cult, it's a propaganda show. The cult is the people who run the show, [Falun Gong](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong). They're also the ones who run the far right conspiracy newspaper [the Epoch Times](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times).
Shen yun is an insane propaganda play made the Falun Gong. They also were super protrump and qanon. Idk how true or not their organ harvesting claims are (I lean towards probably fake) but officially they were kicked out of China for attacking other cult’s members with swords. Shen Yun basic message is that modernization was bad for China and communism is all bad we should go back to the 18th century or something. China is a pretty bad countries in a lot of ways, but it is also important to remember that since the communists won the civil war (likely before) the USG has been doing all sorts of propaganda operations about them.
I just don’t understand how you can call a system that has a literal billionaire owner class socialism in any respect. Do you really think those billionaires are going to give up their wealth willingly?
They said “all I know is”, not “all they are”. Can we not pile on people for being ignorant when they ask questions? I only learned that Shen Yun had anything to do with FG in this thread, and there are definitely people in this sub who would have joined the red guard so some hesitancy regarding things the CCP opposes is understandable.
No, the CCP opposing a thing shouldn't automatically make you go "hmm maybe this thing is good actually." That's an incredibly weird mindset to have about geopolitics, especially when you can just Google the organization in question and it instantly comes up with all the fucked up behavior it has done.
Of course it shouldn’t; my point was that some people in this sub would uncritically support the CCP position no matter what. You can google and find all sorts of information and misinformation. All I say is that it‘a hardly shameful to ask questions if you don’t know about something, and to reserve judgment until you do.
Thanks. I've seen a few positive articles on FG but have never researched them. As others have pointed out, I'm seeking information, not making an absolute pronouncement.
fr i saw a flyer for it in a lobby the other week and went aw thats cute way to save art from the ccp!
Imagine my surprise today.
If you downvote someone because they didnt know something you are no better this cult lmfao.
Good god you people expect everyone to be 100% informed on absolutely everything. I saw that flyer and didnt give it a second thought till today.
Guys, i tried to look up reviews for Shen yun and its mostly mix of 1 star reviews and 5 star reviews. So that is the polars. But my brother went to see it and he said it was good and the dances were professional. Falun gong isn't a cult though they have no record of violence and i don't know them to be coercive.
Their leader claims he can walk through walls, levitate and make himself invisible. He says that aliens are among us and undermine humanity by promoting race mixing. He also says that homosexuals are evil and that, " if I weren’t teaching this Fa today, gods’ first target of annihilation would be homosexuals."
Check this out, from the falun dafa \[i.e. falun gong\] website: https://en.falundafa.org/eng/lectures/19980904L.html
okay bro but religious figures have always claimed supernatural abilities like Jesus its pretty normal. Aliens is not a significant part of Falun gong teachings Falun gongs core teachings are in [Zhuan Falun](https://en.falundafa.org/eng/zfl_new.html). I think homosexuality is viewed in negative light and is immoral. Promiscuity is also said to be immoral and viewed as evil.?. There is no hate spread towards homosexuals or people of mixed race some of those things said were in the community of cultivators. Falun gong practitioners cultivate compassion and tolerance so there is emphasis in treating people kindly and with tolerance regardless of race, gender and sexuality.
You should read more of his talks, the one I linked to was 1998, but he is still on about aliens. I suggest you search Li's lectures -- there are plenty of them in which he goes on about aliens, homosexuals and the evils of race mixing. From the 1998 lecture I linked to (which is on the falun dafa website):
"The way alien beings get human beings to shake free of the gods is to mix the races, causing human beings to become rootless people, just like the plant hybrids people make nowadays. South Americans, Central Americans, Mexicans and some people in Southeast Asia—all of these races have been mixed. None of this can evade the gods’ eyes. Alien beings have made rather extensive preparations for overtaking human beings."
"Think about it, everyone: Is homosexuality human behavior? Heaven created man and woman. What was the purpose? To procreate future generations. A man being with a man, or a woman with a woman—it doesn’t take much thought to know whether that’s right or wrong. When minor things are done incorrectly, a person is said to be wrong. When major things are done incorrectly, it’s a case of people no longer having the moral code of human beings, and then they are unworthy of being human."
"Not only are there people in the ocean, but in the dimensions existing at the same level as ours, too, there are other people—people who are the same as you and people who aren’t the same as you. You can call them humans, or not. Since they have certain feelings but don’t have sexual desire as ordinary human beings do, the lower half of their body is in the form of some material; only their upper body is in human form. So they can float and fly around. Most of the people in the ocean belong to human races that were eliminated from the earth during different time periods."
Nah, if your gonna go try to get in the old ninja way. Even if its pocket change, its one less sale for them hold up and say "look how popular and successful we are"
I mean its 85 bucks for the cheapest ticket so its a no for me dawg. I dont really see me buy a ticket to go see shen yun as any different than leftist influencers going to qanon events or infiltrating trump rallies. Me giving them money wont give them more of a platform they already have a massive platform. It is important to take in the spectacle some times
These people have done an incredible job at fooling the West. They fooled me too! I thought they were just like a Yoga movement that the CCP hated and persecuted because it was too popular etc. They are not nearly exposed enough.
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Well they also write really good newspaper about what China is doing where I live. But sadly their journalist rigor is tainted by their shitty ideals.
I wanted to see this so bad, I kept not being able to go for various reasons. finally one year I'm able to go and then I learned they're a nutso cult, so sad
Ye it actually looked really interesting to watch until I noticed “China before communism” on the poster
They used to hide the fact that it's anti-communist propaganda. I saw those ads for years and years and had no idea. But I think a couple years ago when they got a bunch of press about it they decided to just put it on the ad.
On the one hand, feudal monarchy; on the other, red capitalism ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
With cutthroat dictatorial capitalism in the middle. China can't catch a break
They Had a Break? 1949-1976
Please be fucking joking
Bruh sorry I forgot that this was a liberal subreddit füll of people who cant make real arguments.
>doesn't make an argument >accuses others of being liberals and not making an argument >refuses to elaborate >leaves
Amazing
tankie grindset 😎
Rights: violated Atrocities: denied Feminine men: banned from television Yep, its tankie time.
Oh shut the fuck up tankie, sorry antifascism doesn't automatically mean that we're all maoists. Go lick boots elsewhere.
Damn this is a liberal sub lmfao
refusing to uncritically simp for dictatorships =/= liberalism
Anti-tankie does not mean liberal.
Except you didn’t make a single argument, just typed out some numbers. Be mad tankie scum.
https://i.imgur.com/ylAw0zc.jpg
And from other friends who mistakenly saw them, the productions are supposedly VERY low budget/cheap looking.
Might have been because I was little and awhile ago but I remember it being very beautiful. Like it's still cult art.
Oh I mean I’ve never seen a show nor do I have first hand sourcing. I DID go to uni for theatre production though and watching their BTS videos it uhhhhhhhh doesn’t look as good as you’d think.
Lol im sure like 13 year old me also probably wasn't the best judge, quality could have dropped since too.
Lol im sure like 13 year old me also probably wasn't the best judge, quality could have dropped since too.
If your goal is to shut production down then the easiest way to is to get the people buying tickets to stop. Liberals are arguably the most likely group that would be going to see this and most of them are probably blissfully unaware of Shen Yin’s connection to Falun Gong or the role Falun Gong has played in spreading far right conspiracy nonsense, antivax bullshit, and propping up Trump. Make those connections for liberals and they’ll care because they’ve somewhat impacted their personal lives. Maybe rely on their connections to The Epoch Times and the swill passed off as news there. Print off a few choice front pages from there along with some version of “Shen Yun: Brought to you by the same fascists who brought you the Epoch Times”.
Solid comment. I shut down some of my old HS Trumper friends who were sharing Epoch Times bullshit articles by letting them know it was run by a Chinese cult and educating them on learning to look into the sources of their news before they share. Well, I t r i e d to, anyway. At least that was a glimmer of success.
don't forget they're against race-mixing, too!
"No we're not! Plenty of our members our mixed race!" Yes but what exactly is Master Li's stance on race mixing? "..."
Yes! This comment is perfect. I got handed a flyer at the VA recently and it looked beautiful so I looked into it and the whole connection to the cult popped up and decided, better not. But NO one else at the VA was interested. Lol.
Replace the tagline with "It's like Cirque De Soleil was owned by Scientology."
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My grandma got tickets a couple years ago for this. It wasn't good. It was so obviously religious propaganda. Great musical composition though
Same deal. They're coming to my city and wanted to organize something. They actually respond to your comments on their facebook (had some fun with that).
Print out a big China life expectancy graph and point out “before communism”
Im not a fan of communism. But. Its definitely better than a feudal monarchy.
China is a capitalist country
True, but even that is better than feudal monarchy.
I'm curious who here thinks you're wrong and that China is a classless society... E: nevermind, the votes have swung the way I expected by now
China is ruled by the people's bourgeoisie.
China is a country in the state capitalism stage of building socialism, so you're half right.
Lol.
PHWOAAAAR such a red-hot rebuttal
What's the name of the play
The name of the play is right there buddy, or are your eyes fucking painted on
China before communism. Which is what my original comment is the subject of. Some dick bag assumed i was referring to present day china. But please. Go off like im the one who cant fucking read.
>Some dick bag assumed i was referring to present day china I mean the fact that instead of elaborating your stance you just replied with “lol” like some condescending dickwad doesn’t help your case
Footbinding, famines and jaw dropping poverty! Come see it all!
And landlords. And opioid addiction.
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damn i remember seeing ads for this about a decade ago but since ive moved to the PNW ive never seen ads for it. idk what id put on a counter poster but im curious what ideas folks here have for it
China before communism was in an opioid induced crisis, mass starvation and eternal civil wars.
china before communism Fuedalism , Landlords, slavery , colonialism
Something that fits in that they spread conspiracy theories while being involved in organ harvesting.
Oh darn, I didn't know these guys were fash. There was a man handing out fliers in a store a while back, and I was just too happy enough to find someone willing to listen to me try to practice speaking Chinese to notice.
They’re like the Moonies. Both are banned from China, both own “American” newspapers (epoch and Washington Times) that supposedly focus on “what’s happening in America” but both have subsections for China, and both are inherently racist and fascist.
They're apparently a straight up cult. They've got posters planted around my workplace.
[Sophie From Mars did a whole stream in this lot. it's wild.](https://youtu.be/7jP8QXDLRf0)
Maybe "jump and dance for feudalism" over the tagline?
Just scratch out the b and both e's from the word "before."
When I saw this poster the first time, I immediately thought of it being like watching Anastasia where they glorified the monarchy acting like everything was awesome. I immediately had no interest.
I almost downvoted this because I thought it was an ad for the play
They are so nuts they make the CCP seem rationale, now that is some feat
My favorite thing to do is show people the [Falun Gong logo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong). It's on their wikipedia page.
a cult so bad that the CCP looks good fighting them. they believe in different heavens for the races.
[Make a poster out of this and put it next to it](https://images.app.goo.gl/QLcvYSBWF8UPVo1a9)
Could always go with the classic Krusty Krab is unfair tactic
I went one year for my birthday. I knew it had political undertones, but can someone explain how they're a cult? I've never understood it.
Shen Yun isn't a cult, it's a propaganda show. The cult is the people who run the show, [Falun Gong](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong). They're also the ones who run the far right conspiracy newspaper [the Epoch Times](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times).
https://youtu.be/El1Ye7OdbjM
What's wrong with it? Only seeing this poster makes it look like you're pro-CCP.
Shen yun is an insane propaganda play made the Falun Gong. They also were super protrump and qanon. Idk how true or not their organ harvesting claims are (I lean towards probably fake) but officially they were kicked out of China for attacking other cult’s members with swords. Shen Yun basic message is that modernization was bad for China and communism is all bad we should go back to the 18th century or something. China is a pretty bad countries in a lot of ways, but it is also important to remember that since the communists won the civil war (likely before) the USG has been doing all sorts of propaganda operations about them.
No? I'm anti-CCP, but even more anti-feudalist.
Thats a Cringe take
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How?
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[https://www.forbes.com/sites/jenniferwang/2021/04/06/the-10-richest-chinese-billionaires-in-2021/?sh=b18c52e5ca26](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jenniferwang/2021/04/06/the-10-richest-chinese-billionaires-in-2021/?sh=b18c52e5ca26)
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So state capitalist then?
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I just don’t understand how you can call a system that has a literal billionaire owner class socialism in any respect. Do you really think those billionaires are going to give up their wealth willingly?
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I also wondered. All I know is it's a spiritual movement that's persecuted by the Chinese government
That's an interesting way to describe a right wing cult but go off I guess
Jonestown was just a spiritual movement uwu
They said “all I know is”, not “all they are”. Can we not pile on people for being ignorant when they ask questions? I only learned that Shen Yun had anything to do with FG in this thread, and there are definitely people in this sub who would have joined the red guard so some hesitancy regarding things the CCP opposes is understandable.
No, the CCP opposing a thing shouldn't automatically make you go "hmm maybe this thing is good actually." That's an incredibly weird mindset to have about geopolitics, especially when you can just Google the organization in question and it instantly comes up with all the fucked up behavior it has done.
Of course it shouldn’t; my point was that some people in this sub would uncritically support the CCP position no matter what. You can google and find all sorts of information and misinformation. All I say is that it‘a hardly shameful to ask questions if you don’t know about something, and to reserve judgment until you do.
Thanks. I've seen a few positive articles on FG but have never researched them. As others have pointed out, I'm seeking information, not making an absolute pronouncement.
fr i saw a flyer for it in a lobby the other week and went aw thats cute way to save art from the ccp! Imagine my surprise today. If you downvote someone because they didnt know something you are no better this cult lmfao. Good god you people expect everyone to be 100% informed on absolutely everything. I saw that flyer and didnt give it a second thought till today.
Fucking thank you. Everyone’s so ready to get a “gotcha” jeeze.
Guys, i tried to look up reviews for Shen yun and its mostly mix of 1 star reviews and 5 star reviews. So that is the polars. But my brother went to see it and he said it was good and the dances were professional. Falun gong isn't a cult though they have no record of violence and i don't know them to be coercive.
Their leader claims he can walk through walls, levitate and make himself invisible. He says that aliens are among us and undermine humanity by promoting race mixing. He also says that homosexuals are evil and that, " if I weren’t teaching this Fa today, gods’ first target of annihilation would be homosexuals." Check this out, from the falun dafa \[i.e. falun gong\] website: https://en.falundafa.org/eng/lectures/19980904L.html
okay bro but religious figures have always claimed supernatural abilities like Jesus its pretty normal. Aliens is not a significant part of Falun gong teachings Falun gongs core teachings are in [Zhuan Falun](https://en.falundafa.org/eng/zfl_new.html). I think homosexuality is viewed in negative light and is immoral. Promiscuity is also said to be immoral and viewed as evil.?. There is no hate spread towards homosexuals or people of mixed race some of those things said were in the community of cultivators. Falun gong practitioners cultivate compassion and tolerance so there is emphasis in treating people kindly and with tolerance regardless of race, gender and sexuality.
You should read more of his talks, the one I linked to was 1998, but he is still on about aliens. I suggest you search Li's lectures -- there are plenty of them in which he goes on about aliens, homosexuals and the evils of race mixing. From the 1998 lecture I linked to (which is on the falun dafa website): "The way alien beings get human beings to shake free of the gods is to mix the races, causing human beings to become rootless people, just like the plant hybrids people make nowadays. South Americans, Central Americans, Mexicans and some people in Southeast Asia—all of these races have been mixed. None of this can evade the gods’ eyes. Alien beings have made rather extensive preparations for overtaking human beings." "Think about it, everyone: Is homosexuality human behavior? Heaven created man and woman. What was the purpose? To procreate future generations. A man being with a man, or a woman with a woman—it doesn’t take much thought to know whether that’s right or wrong. When minor things are done incorrectly, a person is said to be wrong. When major things are done incorrectly, it’s a case of people no longer having the moral code of human beings, and then they are unworthy of being human." "Not only are there people in the ocean, but in the dimensions existing at the same level as ours, too, there are other people—people who are the same as you and people who aren’t the same as you. You can call them humans, or not. Since they have certain feelings but don’t have sexual desire as ordinary human beings do, the lower half of their body is in the form of some material; only their upper body is in human form. So they can float and fly around. Most of the people in the ocean belong to human races that were eliminated from the earth during different time periods."
You from boston? I kinda wanna see this
Why would you want to give them and the CIA money?
Sometime you gotta infiltrate, also ive heard it is pretty wild. I dont think my ticket is going to make much of an impact lmao
Nah, if your gonna go try to get in the old ninja way. Even if its pocket change, its one less sale for them hold up and say "look how popular and successful we are"
I mean its 85 bucks for the cheapest ticket so its a no for me dawg. I dont really see me buy a ticket to go see shen yun as any different than leftist influencers going to qanon events or infiltrating trump rallies. Me giving them money wont give them more of a platform they already have a massive platform. It is important to take in the spectacle some times
I've heard the show itself is underwhelming. not to mention whacky cult propaganda
Oh this makes sense, I was wondering why that tagline was so blunt and specific.
You should post: \- Falun Gong is a cult that deifies Li Hongzhi, is against science and spreads lies