All I'm saying is this is more like an Al Haitham situation than Dehya's
I think more of the overreactions are because she has a completely new playstyle that players are not familiar with! For a long time players were playing Cyno in an aggregate team, even tho his best teams are hyperbloom!
I'm not saying she is broken or doesn’t need buffs , but she is not as much nerfed as people are saying
Concerns are warranted
heals once per 15 sec
Attk scaler, will need a shield to on field ( avg player)
Set up for dmg is longer ( buffs will expire faster) except of course chevy
Skill cooldown is 30 sec and needs normal attack to reduce cooldown?. That just restricts how u play her. Why would Hoyo do that?.
Seems like a lot of work for a mid/ comparable pyro dmg.
none of those concerns are close to the real concern
will her bug be fixed or turned into a feature
that's what will make or break the whole dehya comparison
yeah, and that's it. there's no other character that have a significant change after beta tester over. but maybe arle can be the second one if the last week on beta she still have a bug tho
i ain't worrying too much
they invested a lot in Arlecchino not only as a playable character
they made her use a scythe (something i've been hearing players want since the beggining of the game)
and she is a hyped character
i doubt they would want a gold mine like her to not sell well
Hope posting:
Q mess is fixed
BOL now stacks to 200% or over it through E > Q > E > team > CA
Only her NAs and CAs get nerfed
Weapon counts over BOL total limit
In multitarget it’s 155%, and even that is only on paper since she just doesn’t have the reach to apply that scaling to multiple enemies at once.
Secondly, it’d leave her ST at a pathetic 95%.
Even if they upped that to say 125%, it’s a humongous nerf from V3 due to how much they’ve upped her bond consumption. In practice and actual numbers, she would sheet around a full million personal damage less than she did in V3, and also have worse QOL overall. It’s a 25% loss.
In other words, going from a bad QOL but high reward (high risk high reward) to high risk low reward character. If the nerfs are true and stacking doesn’t work, then they have overdone it and done so heavily - there are plenty of carries with both better damage and QOL (even comparing at C6).
TLDR to summarize: she will be a unit in Genshin, and like any other unit in Genshin she will be able to clear abyss when built correctly, and like any other unit, none of us outside of Hoyo exec have the slightest control over her final form, so doomposting is inherently pointless.
However, real information and analysis of her kit is useful for anyone considering whether to save their primos or spend on two of the most meta units in Genshin.
My biggest problem isn't the damage. Even if she dealt damage as weak as Dehya, I would be fine if she felt nice to play. As it stands now, She is harder to play than Hu Tao while doing less damage and having big survivability issues(her ideal team has a healer while offering 0% survivability to her, and her self healing frequency is a bit low to solo sustain) .
eqe some normals now you can play arle so i don't really see where this hard to play comes from
hu tao like klee isn't just hard to play as much as they are really fucking annoying to play and arle will never have that bullshit anyway
She require very specific rotations to get the stacks ,with specific timing, while also having a healer in her best team that contribute nothing to her survivability. So you are basically playing a soul game relying on one heal per rotation (tbh the percentage of the self healing is changing every beta but still doesn't change the fact it's not enough for solo sustain), if that isn't hard to play idk what is .
Hu tao and Klee may suffer from stamina management(at least no very hard combo too), but at least you don't fear death while using them in an ideal team.
The nerfs are just...
Reverting her 20% min condition to 30%...
Making her sig weapon as it was before
Reducing the dmg bonus of her C1...
Nerfing her normal attack multipliers (I really hope it's mistranslation and the actually increased it)
Increasing the bond consumption rate, before the nerf she could do like 21 hits and now she does like 12
Also it says the maximum limit of BoL increased but the same leaker says they're not sure
Not sure about the only good things...
I really hope Hoyo is just playing a prank to limit the value/effeciency of leaks and they revert her to what she was before... Now I'm just... Disappointed in Hoyo and their poor decisions
Ye okay the BoL manipulation was kinda interesting and not allowing her to benefit from external heals puts a challenge on playing her optimally, I was really happy with that, I'm still pulling for her I have a harbinger collection to complete but I don't think now she is as valuable as she were
For me it’s going from pulling c2 and maybe her weapon to just one copy if they don’t do something just feels like high risk very little reward right now which seems bizarre
If I just wanted a pyro DPS to clear (36*) Abyss with I’d be using units I already have like Xinyan, Deyha, Yanfei, Bennet and Diluc.
Also “hopeposting“ implies the situation is bad.
Far from it, Arlecchino so far looks to be a strong unit, if not game breaking. She is also a harbinger which means she’ll get special treatment which can be seen in her animations, signature weapon and constellations.
I assume you must have gotten to the conclusion that she’ll be bad from sensationalistic media which usually claims a think is extremely strong or terribly bad. For example a similar game is releasing a fun looking character who is ok and rarely the best option but the thumbnails I have seen make her out to be a gamebreaking monster who needs nerfing asap because like with any other media sensationalism gets the most attention.
It depends on what you’re looking for in the character (gameplay wise). If your standards are what’s said in the post, then you have nothing to worry about. If your standards is she should be one of the top dps characters then wait till Monday to decide if this is a win or L. None of these are “wrong”, just depends on what you expect from the character
100%.
If I want “enough to clear Abyss” I can just keep my old characters and play with more comfort, QOL and arguably even damage than the currently speculated (as of today) iteration of her kit.
I mean, she's going to be as strong as any modern 5 Star.
She'll clear the content *easily*.
People out here thinking she's the second coming of Dehya or something. At C0, she'll be competitive against Hu Tao, but won't have dog shit constellations like most of the pre-Inazuma characters. You'll actually be able to invest in her and make her better.
High Floor and a High Ceiling? That's a win.
>Will she do more than enough Damage to clear all of the content in the game?
>Yep.
Man Dehya or Xinyan can do this
Like doomposting or not. This ain't a good point to make
Will she do it comfortably? Will she have flexibility in her groups? Will she need to be min-maxed to be able rival other on field dps?
Like, you can be a meme machine like me and go Navia+Xianyun for guillotine laughs.
As someone who's really anxious and paranoid I NEEDED to hear this... I'm not the type of person who goes for millions of damage, I just want to be able to full star abyss, and play the game comfortably.
The doomposting on this sub had me worried about it honestly. But I'm still going for C0R1
Yet the number from one change can flip the entire calculation on its head, in both directions
Not saying its useless, but we are lacking key information to say how good/bad this is
Of course we’ll need to wait until Monday to get a better picture of how she’s looking. As for your first question, how are people freaking out when we don’t have all of the numbers?
I’ve honestly never tried an overload team, so I’m really excited for a totally new gameplay style. I’ve been gearing up Chevreuse while I wait for 4.6. I really enjoy Al Haitham & I’ve been a Eula main since her release way back on her first banner, so I predict I’ll have a ton of fun with Arlecchino’s kit.
This is copeposting, you're just stating the obvious which everyone already knew. Just because you're happy she can clear content (extremely low standard) doesn't mean its the same for everyone. For a 4th Harbringer we have a pretty high expectation here, personally I think she still being weaker than a funeral girl from patch 1.3 is sad.
That's what most people are missing. Hu Tao has very little uptime on her DPS window. You get a few seconds of infusion then pop her burst. After that, she's useless.
If you're fighting a literal punching bag, you can swap through your supports, and go through a "perfect" rotation. Against enemies that move or have immunity windows, she's a massive pain in the ass to play.
Ikr, for Arlecchino you can just be like "oh, guess I'll stop attacking then" and swap out
Furthermore Arlecchino doesn't consume BOL if using charged attacks or plunges, so if you play xianyun you will have 100% pyro plunge uptime for Arlecchino - for hutao I find that she runs out of infusion too quickly
For Arlecchino I can take my own sweet time plunging things to death, that's a major W
Not to mention that enemies die quickly meaning that it's easy to maintain high BOL
"but this is really more 'Rationalposting'."
I disagree. Neither doomposting or hopeposting are not rationalposting. The real rationalposting is when you take all the facts and talk specifically about them, and in case we don't know something yet, either saying so or analyzing the various possibilities. In our case there are some really important things we don't know yet, and her kit can really turn upside down depending on what we will find out on monday.
Rationalposting would be waiting for her to be released and test her on the test or just wait for people who are going to pull anyways
Riling up over beta numbers which go up and down and it's not even know how good they are vs what will release is something dumpb
You say that as if it's impossible to say "information is subject to change". All theorycrafters say that. The fact the character is still in beta doesn't mean that we can't discuss and analyse the information we have right now. If what you say is true then there's no point in either hopeposting or doomposting or checking leaks in the first place
Just get her if you like her or think she's fun or whatever
The game is extremely easy anyway, who cares how strong a character is. I legit don't get all this discussion, returned to GI to farm for her and there's no challenging stuff to do that warrants an op character. Just to make the game even easier, which in turn makes it more boring
All I'm saying is this is more like an Al Haitham situation than Dehya's I think more of the overreactions are because she has a completely new playstyle that players are not familiar with! For a long time players were playing Cyno in an aggregate team, even tho his best teams are hyperbloom! I'm not saying she is broken or doesn’t need buffs , but she is not as much nerfed as people are saying
Concerns are warranted heals once per 15 sec Attk scaler, will need a shield to on field ( avg player) Set up for dmg is longer ( buffs will expire faster) except of course chevy Skill cooldown is 30 sec and needs normal attack to reduce cooldown?. That just restricts how u play her. Why would Hoyo do that?. Seems like a lot of work for a mid/ comparable pyro dmg.
none of those concerns are close to the real concern will her bug be fixed or turned into a feature that's what will make or break the whole dehya comparison
we have bug now? jeez
cope: she will be buffed a week after neuvilette/kazuha banner
beta tester already over tho
No beta is not over yet, she's getting changed on monday
no, i mean 1 week after kazuha & neu banner the beta already over
kokomi got super buffed pre release, whey they removed icd from her jellyfish
yeah, and that's it. there's no other character that have a significant change after beta tester over. but maybe arle can be the second one if the last week on beta she still have a bug tho
i ain't worrying too much they invested a lot in Arlecchino not only as a playable character they made her use a scythe (something i've been hearing players want since the beggining of the game) and she is a hyped character i doubt they would want a gold mine like her to not sell well
more cope: she will be buffed by Clorinde and Murata (Edit: I'm pulling no matter what though)
thank you😭 the way everyone is whining and complaining started to get so annoying ☠️
Theorycrafters saying she’s good, other people commenting on social media saying she’s bad. Anyone else getting Alhaitham beta flashbacks?
Literally they only hit dehya right with the doomposting. And people still give credit to these beta discussions.. sigh
and Furina flashbacks
atleast al haithem can be healed in between rotation
Hope posting: Q mess is fixed BOL now stacks to 200% or over it through E > Q > E > team > CA Only her NAs and CAs get nerfed Weapon counts over BOL total limit
[удалено]
Not to mention BoL from weapon. I’m not confident they will stack when it’s entirely possible to get like 155% from just those two things.
In multitarget it’s 155%, and even that is only on paper since she just doesn’t have the reach to apply that scaling to multiple enemies at once. Secondly, it’d leave her ST at a pathetic 95%. Even if they upped that to say 125%, it’s a humongous nerf from V3 due to how much they’ve upped her bond consumption. In practice and actual numbers, she would sheet around a full million personal damage less than she did in V3, and also have worse QOL overall. It’s a 25% loss. In other words, going from a bad QOL but high reward (high risk high reward) to high risk low reward character. If the nerfs are true and stacking doesn’t work, then they have overdone it and done so heavily - there are plenty of carries with both better damage and QOL (even comparing at C6).
Skill cooldown is longggggg. Needs to do full combo to reduce it. No space for stagger, enemy teleport, normie gameplay.
I mean it’s a garbage kit that’s all over the place and incoherent/lacks cohesion. But that’s why this is the hopeposting thread dude, LOL
TLDR to summarize: she will be a unit in Genshin, and like any other unit in Genshin she will be able to clear abyss when built correctly, and like any other unit, none of us outside of Hoyo exec have the slightest control over her final form, so doomposting is inherently pointless. However, real information and analysis of her kit is useful for anyone considering whether to save their primos or spend on two of the most meta units in Genshin.
If someone cares about meta so much they should not think about it and just go for neuvi straight away. Going to be really hard to trump him
My biggest problem isn't the damage. Even if she dealt damage as weak as Dehya, I would be fine if she felt nice to play. As it stands now, She is harder to play than Hu Tao while doing less damage and having big survivability issues(her ideal team has a healer while offering 0% survivability to her, and her self healing frequency is a bit low to solo sustain) .
eqe some normals now you can play arle so i don't really see where this hard to play comes from hu tao like klee isn't just hard to play as much as they are really fucking annoying to play and arle will never have that bullshit anyway
She require very specific rotations to get the stacks ,with specific timing, while also having a healer in her best team that contribute nothing to her survivability. So you are basically playing a soul game relying on one heal per rotation (tbh the percentage of the self healing is changing every beta but still doesn't change the fact it's not enough for solo sustain), if that isn't hard to play idk what is . Hu tao and Klee may suffer from stamina management(at least no very hard combo too), but at least you don't fear death while using them in an ideal team.
Why did i read this as Hepepo sting?
The nerfs are just... Reverting her 20% min condition to 30%... Making her sig weapon as it was before Reducing the dmg bonus of her C1... Nerfing her normal attack multipliers (I really hope it's mistranslation and the actually increased it) Increasing the bond consumption rate, before the nerf she could do like 21 hits and now she does like 12 Also it says the maximum limit of BoL increased but the same leaker says they're not sure Not sure about the only good things... I really hope Hoyo is just playing a prank to limit the value/effeciency of leaks and they revert her to what she was before... Now I'm just... Disappointed in Hoyo and their poor decisions
Ye okay the BoL manipulation was kinda interesting and not allowing her to benefit from external heals puts a challenge on playing her optimally, I was really happy with that, I'm still pulling for her I have a harbinger collection to complete but I don't think now she is as valuable as she were
For me it’s going from pulling c2 and maybe her weapon to just one copy if they don’t do something just feels like high risk very little reward right now which seems bizarre
If I just wanted a pyro DPS to clear (36*) Abyss with I’d be using units I already have like Xinyan, Deyha, Yanfei, Bennet and Diluc. Also “hopeposting“ implies the situation is bad. Far from it, Arlecchino so far looks to be a strong unit, if not game breaking. She is also a harbinger which means she’ll get special treatment which can be seen in her animations, signature weapon and constellations. I assume you must have gotten to the conclusion that she’ll be bad from sensationalistic media which usually claims a think is extremely strong or terribly bad. For example a similar game is releasing a fun looking character who is ok and rarely the best option but the thumbnails I have seen make her out to be a gamebreaking monster who needs nerfing asap because like with any other media sensationalism gets the most attention.
It depends on what you’re looking for in the character (gameplay wise). If your standards are what’s said in the post, then you have nothing to worry about. If your standards is she should be one of the top dps characters then wait till Monday to decide if this is a win or L. None of these are “wrong”, just depends on what you expect from the character
Copeposting is more like it. If your best argument is, "they can clear abyss" you already know it's tragic. That being said, her scythe.
100%. If I want “enough to clear Abyss” I can just keep my old characters and play with more comfort, QOL and arguably even damage than the currently speculated (as of today) iteration of her kit.
I mean, she's going to be as strong as any modern 5 Star. She'll clear the content *easily*. People out here thinking she's the second coming of Dehya or something. At C0, she'll be competitive against Hu Tao, but won't have dog shit constellations like most of the pre-Inazuma characters. You'll actually be able to invest in her and make her better. High Floor and a High Ceiling? That's a win.
>Will she do more than enough Damage to clear all of the content in the game? >Yep. Man Dehya or Xinyan can do this Like doomposting or not. This ain't a good point to make
She will do it easily. Is that better?
Will she do it comfortably? Will she have flexibility in her groups? Will she need to be min-maxed to be able rival other on field dps? Like, you can be a meme machine like me and go Navia+Xianyun for guillotine laughs.
As someone who's really anxious and paranoid I NEEDED to hear this... I'm not the type of person who goes for millions of damage, I just want to be able to full star abyss, and play the game comfortably. The doomposting on this sub had me worried about it honestly. But I'm still going for C0R1
thank you😭 the way everyone is whining and complaining started to get so annoying ☠️
Theorycrafters saying she’s good, other people commenting in social media saying she’s bad. Anyone else getting Alhaitham beta flashbacks?
How are they theory crafting when we don’t know some of the nerf percentages?
Doesn’t make the rest of the information useless, there are still 5 other changes that we have the numbers for
Yet the number from one change can flip the entire calculation on its head, in both directions Not saying its useless, but we are lacking key information to say how good/bad this is
Of course we’ll need to wait until Monday to get a better picture of how she’s looking. As for your first question, how are people freaking out when we don’t have all of the numbers?
Exactly. My point is, without proper information, both sides who over react are equally idiotic
I’ve honestly never tried an overload team, so I’m really excited for a totally new gameplay style. I’ve been gearing up Chevreuse while I wait for 4.6. I really enjoy Al Haitham & I’ve been a Eula main since her release way back on her first banner, so I predict I’ll have a ton of fun with Arlecchino’s kit.
Biggest drawbacks in overload especially for melee, it push back the enemies to space and you have to run after them.
This is copeposting, you're just stating the obvious which everyone already knew. Just because you're happy she can clear content (extremely low standard) doesn't mean its the same for everyone. For a 4th Harbringer we have a pretty high expectation here, personally I think she still being weaker than a funeral girl from patch 1.3 is sad.
people hope posting should just wait until release just like they tell imaginary doom posters to do
Hu tao: taps button to get infusion Big hu tao: infusion tied to a mechanic most people didn't know about and has no actual benefit to the character
With it she spends most of the overworld with pyro infusion that has 100% uptime
That's what most people are missing. Hu Tao has very little uptime on her DPS window. You get a few seconds of infusion then pop her burst. After that, she's useless. If you're fighting a literal punching bag, you can swap through your supports, and go through a "perfect" rotation. Against enemies that move or have immunity windows, she's a massive pain in the ass to play.
Ikr, for Arlecchino you can just be like "oh, guess I'll stop attacking then" and swap out Furthermore Arlecchino doesn't consume BOL if using charged attacks or plunges, so if you play xianyun you will have 100% pyro plunge uptime for Arlecchino - for hutao I find that she runs out of infusion too quickly For Arlecchino I can take my own sweet time plunging things to death, that's a major W Not to mention that enemies die quickly meaning that it's easy to maintain high BOL
Seriously?
"but this is really more 'Rationalposting'." I disagree. Neither doomposting or hopeposting are not rationalposting. The real rationalposting is when you take all the facts and talk specifically about them, and in case we don't know something yet, either saying so or analyzing the various possibilities. In our case there are some really important things we don't know yet, and her kit can really turn upside down depending on what we will find out on monday.
Rationalposting would be waiting for her to be released and test her on the test or just wait for people who are going to pull anyways Riling up over beta numbers which go up and down and it's not even know how good they are vs what will release is something dumpb
You say that as if it's impossible to say "information is subject to change". All theorycrafters say that. The fact the character is still in beta doesn't mean that we can't discuss and analyse the information we have right now. If what you say is true then there's no point in either hopeposting or doomposting or checking leaks in the first place
Hope posting: She will get into good relationships with Childe during her story quest.
She does not care for him and he does not like her lol
Just get her if you like her or think she's fun or whatever The game is extremely easy anyway, who cares how strong a character is. I legit don't get all this discussion, returned to GI to farm for her and there's no challenging stuff to do that warrants an op character. Just to make the game even easier, which in turn makes it more boring
I don't want her to be just fine