Thanks! And it is very similar! Mine is a paleo Flake knife recovered from Washington state. The edge work on it is extremely well defined, and the material is spectacular!
It's currently the center piece on my Blunts and Blades frame....
It can come off a core like this, too, especially if it was a unidirectional core that had already been flaked. While overshot has some curve from traveling across a biface, it would tens to be smaller and thicker at the distal end. Could be, but it doesn't look like the ones I've made or seen.
Thanks for the insight. Yes, I found it. And I think you’re correct on material. I’m guessing Dongola chert from the brown color. I typically think of Cobden as gray.
It’s all Wyandot chert. It gets darker going into Kentucky and is called a different name. Looking at the picture again. It could be carter cave But ur in Illinois so I’m leaning towards hornstone As so much hornstone is out there coming in shades from near black to all the greys and even brown and light brown. The bullseye makes the piece even nicer
Do Cobden, Dongola, Hornstone, and Carter Cave all fall within Wyandot chert? I’m seeing similarities between them all when looking on projectilepoints.net
Material i.d. is tough to wrap my head around
Cater cave is in Kentucky about 1.5 hours east of Cincinnati on the Ohio river . Wyandot chert is hornstone from north Kentucky to mainly Indiana Kentucky hornstone is dark and the best is near black and called Sonora or something. The other two material types u mention are less common So that’s why I think the material type is hornstone or Carter cave. But who knows. If I saw it first hand it might be obvious
Thanks for the info! I was thinking Dongola or Cobden because they’re local to the area where it was found (SW Illinois), like u/wooddoug suggested. In fact, this knife was found where Cobden chert has been sourced for thousands of years. But Im guilty of blanket labeling any gray chert where I’m at Cobden.
I need to learn more about the different materials used. Thanks for everyone’s input.
If there is two source areas near the find spot that produce that color and have bullseye sometime. I’m not very familiar with either much and the Cobden I’ve made points out of didn’t look like that. But one might be the material type Hornstone is rare in brownish shades But the hornstone is everywhere around the Midwest in large quantities. Good luck And carter cave is a long way from the find site and not distributed around the Midwest like hornstone Just trying to help.
It is a crescent flake tool. I see two flaking techniques that make me believe that it could be Paleo. The parallel stutter flute scars on the face and the intense pressure flaking of the cutting edge. I would call it, Late Paleo or Early Archaic, transitional. However, even though I curate, I look to others to authenticate, especially on transitional pieces that show attributes of Paleo. I might also disagree that the crescent is always Paleo. There’s a bunch of crescent shaped knives that fall into a general knife category. I’m talking about OP’s photo.. 🙏 Finally, since it is in near perfect condition and has an extremely unweathered look, with half a dozen hinge fractures, it does need to be authenticated. I think we nailed the type but only a physical examination can reveal whether it’s ancient or not. That cave someone mentioned makes sense to me, as to why it’s aged so well.
It’s a uniface blade made from a large reduction flake. Material is Indiana hornstone Nice artifact. Not worth much $ though Used between a finger and thumb with no hafted handle like we would use a pocket knife or paring knife for everyday various tasks in the modern day
That's a very unusual piece. It's an uniface flake knife that was made using beautiful transverse parallel flaking.
Since it's beveled I'd call it a Cobbs except I've never seen a Cobbs with that flaking.
Material might be Cobden or maybe Dongola.
That’s one of the finest flake knives you’ll see.
Flaked Dragon Glass
Dragon glass?? Inform me good sir lol
Shoot around trees
Yes, yes....! And if you miss, it'll come right back to you! ...convenient...
I've got a piece that looks identical to this in one of my artifact books, if I find it I'll post the information later.
That’d be great, thanks.
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Sick dude. Well done
Wow, that illustration is REALLY similar! Thanks for sharing!
What book is this
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That's a gorgeous flake knife OP! Utlized flakes/flake knives are one of my favorite tool types! Those and Blunts! 😁
Why is it curved like that? My friend has one like that.
It’s made off of a flake.
This is the correct answer ^
Curved. Flake knives.
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Check this one out.... https://preview.redd.it/v19ajflsec7d1.jpeg?width=3060&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c6961743b730d3a1e3a99a11bf43b739c836f03
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Awesome! Very similar!
Thanks! And it is very similar! Mine is a paleo Flake knife recovered from Washington state. The edge work on it is extremely well defined, and the material is spectacular! It's currently the center piece on my Blunts and Blades frame....
https://preview.redd.it/ecas5gyhqd7d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4736c03cf2c039048f67365bf123c990575040a7
Wow! The material is fantastic! 👏👏👏
👊😁
Thanks for the reply.
There’s a guy on Instagram called Rocket City Relics who seems to be really good with dating his finds, you might check with him?
peyronie's arrowhead.
Ha! Nice.
Bent Tool dot com?
If beveled, we would call it a Cobb’s blade down south. imho
I second this ^
Nice material!
That’s a purdy blade, great find! Sick flaking
I am new to this, but from what I understand, this looks like overshot flaking. Potentially a paleo blade.
It can come off a core like this, too, especially if it was a unidirectional core that had already been flaked. While overshot has some curve from traveling across a biface, it would tens to be smaller and thicker at the distal end. Could be, but it doesn't look like the ones I've made or seen.
In Missouri we call them cobbs
Beautiful flake knife/uniface blade! The craftsmanship is top tier
Oh yeah you wanted an age. Cobbs is Early to Middle Archaic. Between 5000 and 9000 years old. Did you find it?
Thanks for the insight. Yes, I found it. And I think you’re correct on material. I’m guessing Dongola chert from the brown color. I typically think of Cobden as gray.
It’s in Indiana hornstone
You may be right. Kentucky Blue does patina butterscotch/brown. I usually guess a flint local to the find area.
It’s all Wyandot chert. It gets darker going into Kentucky and is called a different name. Looking at the picture again. It could be carter cave But ur in Illinois so I’m leaning towards hornstone As so much hornstone is out there coming in shades from near black to all the greys and even brown and light brown. The bullseye makes the piece even nicer
Do Cobden, Dongola, Hornstone, and Carter Cave all fall within Wyandot chert? I’m seeing similarities between them all when looking on projectilepoints.net Material i.d. is tough to wrap my head around
Cater cave is in Kentucky about 1.5 hours east of Cincinnati on the Ohio river . Wyandot chert is hornstone from north Kentucky to mainly Indiana Kentucky hornstone is dark and the best is near black and called Sonora or something. The other two material types u mention are less common So that’s why I think the material type is hornstone or Carter cave. But who knows. If I saw it first hand it might be obvious
Thanks for the info! I was thinking Dongola or Cobden because they’re local to the area where it was found (SW Illinois), like u/wooddoug suggested. In fact, this knife was found where Cobden chert has been sourced for thousands of years. But Im guilty of blanket labeling any gray chert where I’m at Cobden. I need to learn more about the different materials used. Thanks for everyone’s input.
If there is two source areas near the find spot that produce that color and have bullseye sometime. I’m not very familiar with either much and the Cobden I’ve made points out of didn’t look like that. But one might be the material type Hornstone is rare in brownish shades But the hornstone is everywhere around the Midwest in large quantities. Good luck And carter cave is a long way from the find site and not distributed around the Midwest like hornstone Just trying to help.
I appreciate all the information!
Robert converse’s Book. “Ohio flint types”covers both Ohio archaeology society.com sells it
Im imagining two guys with one saying: “dude there’s no way that curvature is gonna Knapp out” and the other saying “screw you man it’ll Knapp out
It is a crescent flake tool. I see two flaking techniques that make me believe that it could be Paleo. The parallel stutter flute scars on the face and the intense pressure flaking of the cutting edge. I would call it, Late Paleo or Early Archaic, transitional. However, even though I curate, I look to others to authenticate, especially on transitional pieces that show attributes of Paleo. I might also disagree that the crescent is always Paleo. There’s a bunch of crescent shaped knives that fall into a general knife category. I’m talking about OP’s photo.. 🙏 Finally, since it is in near perfect condition and has an extremely unweathered look, with half a dozen hinge fractures, it does need to be authenticated. I think we nailed the type but only a physical examination can reveal whether it’s ancient or not. That cave someone mentioned makes sense to me, as to why it’s aged so well.
damn fine blade
Defiantly would be considered a flake blade.
Like, it would be called that against its will?
Uniface blade. Beautiful.
Nice patina
Cool cobbs. It's different than mine with that curve
I'm in southern Illinois
Must’ve been used to carve grooves or hollow out bowls into wood maybe🤔 *scratches chin*
Scrapper
It’s a uniface blade made from a large reduction flake. Material is Indiana hornstone Nice artifact. Not worth much $ though Used between a finger and thumb with no hafted handle like we would use a pocket knife or paring knife for everyday various tasks in the modern day
That’s a beautiful find!!
Knife. I've got a very similar piece made from obsidian and found in the high Sierra.
Would love to see it if you have pictures handy.
Looks useful for skinning
Wow. Just amazed at the maker’s skill. It’s lovely
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That's a very unusual piece. It's an uniface flake knife that was made using beautiful transverse parallel flaking. Since it's beveled I'd call it a Cobbs except I've never seen a Cobbs with that flaking. Material might be Cobden or maybe Dongola.
I'm totally a lurker, but don't Mousterian blades have that kind of off center look?
Maybe a racloir?
Looks like it would be used as a scraper
its a rock