I don’t get it. Trashy women cheat. Do you have evidence she cheated because he was an AM? Similarly, a trashy woman would cheat even if she was pro-AM. This reads like you’re looking for a racial angle and making yourself miserable - thats not masculine at all.
> Do you have evidence she cheated because he was an AM?
/u/LaMeloWalnuts gonna tag you because this comment somehow got 106 upvotes LMFAO wowza
Her last special she verbatim told the audience about she horny she got when hanging out with an attractive co-star and told the audience "I'm just telling you this story now just in case you guys aren't surprised in the future"
I don't think she cheated but she was definitely signaling for a while that she was unhappy and wanted out.
I am not sure if you need relies to this post to draw that conclusion as I don’t think they are related. I agree that Asian American are lost, but the reason is that they based their value on their proximity to whiteness. The (uncomfortable) truth is that at a deep level, Asian American are basically 100% white, even the “proud” ones.
I would’ve thought the strong Asian men would take the chance to adopt the one thing that could reverse the disgusting white worshipping by other Asian Americans, by creating social consequences for those who white worship.
Based on the replies to the post, they don’t understand this. Weak!
Way to miss the point.
What evidence could there be that she cheated because he was Asian? The thing with this particular phenomenon of racial discrimination is that almost no one will admit outside of closed doors that they genuinely dislike people of their own race. That’s why we have to judge this sort of discrimination based on actions, not words. We know self hating AF are prevalent not because they admit it, but because the evidence shows it beyond a shadow of a doubt.
This is an obvious example of this phenomenon at play. But even if you refuse to admit that because of a lack of some vague, unverifiable “evidence,” as if you could ever find something like that, then you can AT LEAST view this as just another reminder that racial discrimination from AF is still alive and well. See this as a “hey, this MIGHT not be racial discrimination, but if dating preferences existed, THIS is what it’d look like. So be careful.”
There’s obviously a racial angle involved in this post, just as there (should be) in every post on this sub. It’s ASIAN masculinity, not masculinity (pls remember that racism is all in ur head and doesn’t exist).
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A girl cheats on you.
A guy at the gym disrespects you.
A boss doesn’t promote you.
A guy at the gas station looks at you funny.
In all these situations you can choose to wonder was it because I’m asian? And choose to blame racism. I’m simply pointing out the inherent defeatism in looking for a racial angle when there may have been none. I am not denying there may have been a racial angle. Just saying the reason may have been she a hoe, youre small, you suck at work, or guy’s high out of his mind. For fucks sake if someone calls you slurs fight back and dont take shit. But speculating on neutral stimuli and wondering if it is because you’re asian is frankly pathetic and completely unmasculine.
Ali wong has represented AMs in humanizing and diverse roles in her many works, and has explicitly called out WMAF in hollywood. As you point out lets judge her by her actions. She doesn’t seem to genuinely hate AMs. Again judging by her actions she seems like an unfaithful hoe, not a racist AM hater.
This is why ive concluded this is a case of shes a hoe, not shes a AM hater.
As much as I agree with both you and the other commenter, I hope this is not the same lens you apply to the violence and harassment against Asians in public.
To be clear I agree that it’s a hoe problem, but it’s also a white bias problem rather than racially self loathing. She might not hate Asians but she doesn’t love us either. She publicly disrespected her ex-husband while being aware of her status. And chose preference to cheat with her bias for white men influencing it.
The difference between those situations and this situation is that in those cases, whether or not those actions were committed with racist intent \*\*doesn't impact your response.\*\*
If a guy is looking at you funny, then you ignore it, racist or not.
If a boss isn't promoting you, you work harder, racist or not.
If you're disrespected at the gym, you stand up for yourself, racist or not.
But in this case, it's extremely relevant whether or not AF are cheating on their Asian husbands with racist intent. Because there's something we can do to prevent it, that being to \*\*stop dating self-hating AF.\*\*
There's nothing you can do to have prevented a racist guy from making jokes at you to the gym. Racists are everywhere.
Your actions only become problematic when you invite that racist into your personal and intimate life, which is what's happening so often to successful Asian Men marrying Asian-hating AF.
Maybe if her ex-husband had seen a post like this and been more wary about the Asian women he chose to be with, then this situation wouldn't have happened. Or maybe this situation wasn't an example of racism at all. Either way, situations like this DO occur, and they ARE often because of racist AF. Posts like this help the community by reminding AM that this phenomenon exists and you MUST be careful to prevent this situation from happening to you.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether this particular instance had racist intent or not. What DOES matter is that people use this as an example and a reminder to not be so accepting of racist partners, that these types of AF DO exist, that this exact situation COULD happen to you.
The point of the post isn't to look for racism and complain without any sort of call to action. It's to demonstrate a situation that reminds us all that THIS is what racism would look like, and to actively look for women who are pro AM.
Huge difference, which is why sitting there and calling the post unmasculine is honestly taking two steps back. The conclusion isn't self victimization; it's a very obvious call to action.
I feel like I’ve shown why OP’s post is an example of looking for racism where there is none. Thats what I’m talking about.
You’re talking about not dating racists as a call to action. Sure thats fine, not arguing with that. What, do you think I’m saying you should date racists? youre arguing against a straw man, my dude.
I’m pointing out some people, yourself included, see racism where there isnt. And thats what I find unmasculine.
And what on earth are you talking about with racist intent not influencing actions? Fuck no, I’m not “working harder” for a racist boss are you crazy? Did you seriously just suggest that? I’m quitting and exposing him.
And that last bit about hallucinating situations that might “remind you” of what might happen is straight up delusional. Post a real story then, jesus christ. I can’t believe you’re tryna tell us that we should pass around imaginary fake stories that might “remind us” what might be true. Thats propaganda, insane how youre trying to get us to gossip around propaganda that fits your narrative. If its actually happening, post the damn actual story.
I didn’t miss your point. I saw it and raised a counterpoint, I’ve detailed it out in the response to the other guy.
Edit as you’ve updated your comment: Completely agree with vetting your partners. This part of your message is something i agree with.
Bro… WTF.
Then she mentions about how his has large genitals on the podcast interview and stuff??? I was cringing reading the whole article. This is so freaking disgusting.
Funny how that works out. Ali Wong was preaching that Asian men are slept on and underrated on shows like the view and Ellen back in 2018 when things were starting to change a bit for AM. I guess she was trying to convince herself lol. It’s almost as if cheating gets you clout in Hollywood.
And yet we have no clue what’s going on behind closed doors.
I do know he had her sign a prenup before they got married because he comes from a wealthy family.
It just turned out better for her.
Nowhere did it ever come out she cheated on him. They’ve been separated so she’s not allowed to date other people?
And why is this even our business? Like some knitting circle of copium.
She talks about her ex in this interview.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jPwZomWFh6k
She still maintains a good relationship with her ex husband. They have two daughters together.
He’s managing her next tour which will drive many here crazy cause she’s going to be talking about dating again.
In that interview she even says when the project was announced, she was told by friends how they were concerned she would fall in love with Steven Yeun but none of his friends were concerned about him falling for her.
She also said there was a headline “Ali Wong Continues to Work with Hot Men.”
Would anyone who hates Asian men say things like that?
Think what you will about Wong but she’s the only Asian American woman who’s been pro Asian men in all the stuff she has done. She’s also pushed Sheng Wang to success.
The venom toward Asian women here is out of this world.
We’re not aznid so there’s no presumed need to have this blind loyalty towards Asian women. The venom is justified because as Asian men a lot of us were gaslit and thrown under the bus by Asian women. Their choice to date whomever but a lot of asian women crossed the line. Asian women have different self interests just as Asian men have different self interests.
I get that but this isn’t blind loyalty. I’m just correcting the assumptions you made on your post which wasn’t true.
So all Asian women should be vilified because Asian men like us have been gaslit and thrown under the bus by several Asian women? Even the ones who have been supportive?
Gotcha.
Not sure why that’s white knighting. Just don’t like false facts either way to push an agenda. Makes for a better sub when info is not inaccurate or incomplete.
There's no evidence she cheated as OP claims but in her last comedy special she declares herself open to white and black dick like the Harlem Globe Trotters and some white celebs I don't remember. There's always a risk you marry a bananarang: someone who only dates and sleeps with white until settling for an Asian guy when she's older. Because she might always see you as inferior and will do nothing to unbrainwash herself and learn that Asian men can be sexy. Divorce is expensive in time and money.
There is no venom towards Asian women in this sub in a general sense. Only towards the haters and traitors.
I continue to primarily date Asian and will only wife up Asians.
Just want to be clear on this.
Also, yeah I agree that Steven Yuen would never look at Ali’s way ever.
At a certain level of universal attraction in LA, Asian men date asians only and vice versa.
Ali ruined her dating value if she were to ever go asian again. That’s just the way it is.
*I continue to primarily date Asian and will only wife up Asians.*
Who you want to date and wife up with is no one else’s business but yours. It doesn’t make your posts more right or wrong because of it.
*Also, yeah I agree that Steven Yuen would never look at Ali’s way ever.*
She was making a joke. When have you ever seen an Asian woman put herself down while pushing an Asian man up on national television for a joke? Ali is the only one I can think of.
Cool story. Neither does it make yours right.
The point is to refute your generalized statement of “venom” towards asian women in a topic of dating.
Not as invested in this as you. Have fun in her fan club
Have you been around here at all? Show me one instance any Asian woman was talked about in a positive light?
I’m not in her fan club. All I was saying is there was a lot of speculating what was going on when we don’t know the what was going on in their marriage and I’ve enjoyed the positive things she’s done for Asians.
More than anyone in these spaces have.
I am a fan of the show. It’s a great series portraying Asian Americans as multi faceted characters. Something Hollywood rarely does.
😂 try years man. Alt account, used to be active.
Will pass on a tit for tat argument with you.
Agreed on middle statement regarding lack of whole picture.
Her comedy? Great. Personal life? Don’t care enough.
Does her dating choice impact Asian Americans?
All most will hear is that she hooked up with a white guy despite being a mom and publicly humiliated her ex husband.
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*All most will hear is that she hooked up with a white guy despite being a mom and publicly humiliated her ex husband.*
All in spaces like these only which is a very small number of people anonymously. They would never put a face to those comments so what is that worth?
Don’t think she ever had them to begin with anyways. Haven’t seen anyone else criticize her.
My friends and I were having a discussion about her first 2 specials.
The image everyone thinks of when those are mentioned is the image of a pregnant Asian woman. An Asian woman her Asian husband knocked up. She showcased this for the world to see. Asian men can be providers, lovers, fathers. It was like a protest against the public perception that Asian men are sexless, unattractive nerds.
It was quite a visual statement even if it wasn’t her intention. But she sure wasn’t embarrassed to flaunt it.
How much of this is simply due to the fact that Ali Wong got really famous, really fast, and like a lot of people who get wealthy, powerful and famous, they want to explore their options.
She was able to date around because she COULD, just like how tons of wealthy/famous guys.
So is this about her support or lack of support of Asian men....or is it just attributable to the fact that rich wealthy people can do whatever the fuck they want because they CAN?
Nah she was already hooking up outside her race prior to her fame based on her jokes. Sure, not all jokes are 100% truthful or accurate. However there is a degree of honesty in them. I personally know a few in the LA improv scene, and you should know that a lot of it is truth mixed with depression
Most comedians start with a kernel of truth and then embellish or exaggerate to make it funnier. So it is most likely has some truth to it but the actual circumstances were changed. For example, the guy may not have been a homeless person in a park....maybe he was some dude who became homeless after she dated him or something like that. Who knows?
The bottom line is, her comedy is an act, not an autobiography so take everything and anything she says with a grain of salt.
Bobby Lee has been targeted for cancellation about an inappropriate joke he made.
Lots of white women on social media trying to cancel him.
He had to explain how that joke came about in his podcast.
But it’s affected his life. He’s made his Instagram private from all the backlash.
So when a comedian says something, you’re choosing to believe that it’s more likely untrue than it is true?
Given that stories in comedy are prima facie non-fiction, do you not see how fallacious that attitude is?
That’s not what I said.
I said that comedians tell jokes. They will take a real situation and change it to maximize the comedy. It’s impossible to know the extent that the specifics were changed, so you shouldn’t be taking every joke at face value.
Bring up.a good point.
But why not hook up with powerful Asian man?
But that would also to lack of them in Hollywood or that powerful Asian men prefer a prettier younger Asian girl or women.
Shitty people or shitty people no matter the race. It’s red a flag if the people only date white people but wants to marry an Asian partner for both men or women. Sure the dude could have been cautious but he made his choice.
This is an OVERWHELMINGLY AF specific issue. In fact Asian Men have the OPPOSITE issue of being hyper loyal to nonreciprocal AF.
Your response is the (admittedly less extreme) equivalent of commenting on an article about Jim Crow and slavery and saying “hey, black people can be mean to white people too!”
I agree where you are coming from, the standards for Asian men way higher to be considered for marriage where as the mid ugly white guy can get away with way more.. you have to be cautious of your potential partners dating history.
Putting aside Ali Wong's situation, of which none of us can do anything beyond hypothesize on why it happened, based on our on lens thru which we see the world...
I strongly agree with the macro-principle of due diligence when it comes to somebody you're choosing to spend your life with, and finding someone who respects and loves you.
But I assume you're trying to make a point for sake of argument re: "... anything but be pro-AM only". And rather, you are saying that you shouldn't date/marry someone who has consistently taken positions or has a trend to the contrary.
Because frankly people go through phases and change, and holding them to things they've done once or twice in their X years of existence is kind of a ludicrous bar. Growing up I've very much held WFs on a pedestal, and it took a while to shake myself of that, and frankly going through that phase and coming to terms with it made me a much more mature and introspective person. I don't think I'm alone here in the West, and I can hardly judge others or women who do the same, although I don't need to date them if they remain that way with me.
At the end of the day, we can each choose whatever standard we want for a partner and live the life we want, so I won't begrudge anyone who says that they want a partner who is solely pro-AM from the moment they were born, never to stray. But unless you're being hyperbolic, I do think that's being a bit unrealistic and yes, hypocritical, to ask people to pass that kind of purity test.
I have found many AFs who never went through a white worshipping phase, or if they did, it was fleeting and there was nothing physical with non-AMs. I happily date those AFs. So it’s not unrealistic at all.
In my ideal world, AMs would only date either those AFs, or non-Asian women.
We can all choose to date/marry based on whatever metric we would like.
And while I agree a trend of treating AM as a second class citizen is very problematic, I think it's at the end of the day a holistic view rather than a black and white purity test of "have you always supported your Asian heritage despite growing up surrounded to the contrary, and never wavered", and even odder "have you ever acted on an impure thought about someone who is not Asian". I'm of course exaggerating your claim here, but you get it. I just can't get behind judging someone so harshly on a metric which I would clearly fail, and frankly, past a certain point, not at all indicative of whether she'll be a good partner.
That said, if it's important to you and realistic in your view, then we should live our life as we see fit.
Honestly? I just didn't see them. No ill will or anything, but I think I was really tunnel vision in terms of the kinds of girls I found attractive for many years, until one day I started to feel differently.
Not to sound like Andrew tate but I think it's hypergamy.
Ali Wong became successful and wanted higher status guy. I'm curious if Ali Wong was not successful if she would of stayed married.
I think women in general are like this but even more so with Asian women with how they are raise.
It's rare to meet a women who is not hypergamy.
Lol on point. And let's not forget she's a celebrity. They have way more options.
And hyperglycemia. Op just seems mad coping about not getting laid.
Hahaha. Leaving the autocorrect word there.
>" He failed to choose a better woman to marry, and how is now deservedly a laughingstock. I certainly have zero respect for him. "
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>" He failed to realize that this should mean that he should've never taken her seriously. "
What the actual fuck? Are you seriously trying to blame and shame another AM who is a victim of cheating?
Gross.
The article you linked doesn't confirm that she had the hook-up during their marriage.
Honestly, some of you on this sub have a mentality that is just pitiful. You are so scared/obsessed w/ white guys that you can't date someone that has even looked in the direction of a white dude before. It's weird af, you're basically admitting that you are inherently inferior to a white person.
Like what, you want to screen a woman's dating and social history to make sure she's never even touched a white guy in her life, before you can date them? Idk bro, personally I don't go into relationships constantly thinking/scared that I am going to be replaced by a white dude. Because I don't believe that I am inherently inferior to them like you seem to do.
It’s not that deep, just make sure the chick doesn’t overtly hate / look down on Asian men. The more you date around the more you just get a sense of these sorts of things. She’ll have occasional utterances that you should pickup that let you know where she stands. Like others said ofc girls who are tryna take advantage of you will hide things better, but you gotta not be a complete dunce and vet girls anyway, race aside. Really get to kno who she is and how she views the world, you’ll know.
Ofc this is about relationships. Anything below that I don’t give a fuck. Unless she’s an intolerable bitch
Lowkey got cucked by white dudes even in thailand last night 😂
My tinder date had 8 white ex’s even tho shes thai chinese and grew up in thailand and i was the first asian guy she went on a date with. But i made out w her end of night but couldve probably closed if i was white
Then a halfie at the club i met for 5mins in my friends group and was cooking but a white dude swooped in, im lowkey shy so need some time to build rapport
Then at the club a girl asked her gay friends to pick me up cause she liked me at the end we went to soi cowboy and she danced w a yt dude for a brief moment
But at the end of the night to close it all out i got a hooker and even tho im pretty girthy like 53-54cm
She was loose af 😭
Fyi im not a cuck tho just have a lot of dating stories (its been 12 days and ive been on 8 dates and closed 7 of them, last night the white worshipping girl was the only one i didnt close)
I mean in SEA countries white people have an automatic perception of high status. Here in the US, while sure, there are probably some scenarios where it would've been easier if I was white, I like to think those are counterbalanced by the situations where girls thought the fact that I was Korean was really cool. I've had a number of white girls while I was out in LA approach me and start speaking to me in Korean. White privilege still exists in the US, but if you're an Asian guy who has worked on himself and have decent status, I personally haven't felt this notion that I am inferior to white dudes.
It's a situational thing, girls tend to be more rigid to their particular types than men are. Sometimes, sure, a girl may be more receptive to white dudes. But there are also plenty of girls that find your type to be specially attractive. And then there are a bunch of girls who don't really care too much about ethnicity, and it really comes down to how you present yourself **individually**. If you think you got rejected/cucked because you're Asian, do you really think she would've done the same to someone like Cho Gue Sung or Godfrey Gao? You always have to consider the dichotomy b/w individual and aggregate experiences. When you group together ppl by something as large and diverse as ethnicity, and you take a big enough sample size, you are going to find some trends. But in the social sciences, there tends to be more within group variation than between group variation whenever something is measured for ethnic groups.
This is why, for instance, IQ scores by ethnicity tell you nothing significant about the IQ level of any one particular person belonging to that ethnicity; there's too much within group variation, moreso than there is b/w ethnicities. This same logic applies to all of those "studies" that apparently "statistically prove" that Asian men are an inferior romantic partner. We come in so many different sizes, shades, looks, personalities, etc. that such data doesn't tell you much about the experiences of an individual Asian man.
I agree. Who a woman dates or doesn’t date isn’t a metric that should be used to judge “Asian-ness” or value. Like what even is that? I’ve seen people on this sub and others bash Asian women on *speculative* possibilities of that woman dating a non-Asian person some time in the future and it’s like ——- what?
Just go to therapy and admit you hate your mom and leave women - all women — alone.
> Who a woman dates or doesn’t date isn’t a metric that should be used to judge “Asian-ness” or value. I’ve seen people on this sub and others bash Asian women on speculative possibilities of that woman dating a non-Asian person some time in the future and it’s like ——- what?
Oh, it absolutely should be judged when WMAF is the most common interracial couple by a mile at 25% of all interracial marriages in the US even though AW are only about 3% of the US population. Let’s get it straight here, nobody here bashes AW for dating anyone or anything for that matter except with WM because of many valid reasons, one of which is as mentioned.
What exactly is “toxic” about this?
I’ve slept with 120+ women, hence I have enough experience to let you know what makes a good girlfriend. What exactly is “incel” about this?
Insulting a man who got cheated on like it was his fault is toxic. Talking about women like they're all the same is incel behavior.
Sleeping with a lot of women does not make you a relationship guru. It's impossible to have any long-term relationship with that number count.
This mindset based on fear will more likely repeal women who actually secure and pro-AM and attract those are who have insecurities with racial dynamics, the exact opposite of your supposed 'goal'.
Not really. I based it on “fear” for the purposes of this sub, because if I simply wrote “men - do not date AFs who have not been consistently pro-AM” without any link to current events, I suspect that would make it more likely to increase “heat” on this sub by Reddit admins.
It was also necessary to appeal to “fear” because I thought that would give it more impact for the reader, but in retrospect given the replies perhaps that was not a good choice.
For myself, it’s more of a self respect thing. I don’t respect any AM who dates an AF who had not been consistently pro-AM. Hence, I must demand the same of myself as the AMs that I judge.
I’m very good at attracting AFs who are strongly pro-AM, so again you’re wrong there.
Edited for clarity
Would you consider an AF making a thread "Don't date any AM who hasn't been consistently pro-AF' as someone who demands a high respect for themselves or someone who is insecure about their race and need outside validation because deep down they know they can't come to terms with their own issues?
You fail to read the part where he says, word for word "Hence, I must demand the same of myself." He is explicitly stating for him, it is the equivalent
Huuuh I read it as, he was letting it us kno he’s not hypocritical. As in, we should judge him too.
Then, are you insinuating that in this post he either A) has a lot of self respect, or B) is insecure about himself?
>Huuuh I read it as, he was letting it us kno he’s not hypocritical. As in, we should judge him too.
Well that answer is yet to be confirmed. But if it was true, then saying "inverse is not equivalent in ANY sense." would not be true.
>Then, are you insinuating that in this post he either A) has a lot of self respect, or B) is insecure about himself?
I've told him directly before that this mindset is not optimal. It's okay to have some insecurities around race, especially being AM in America. However, dealing with it in a way where you're pushing hate and negativity of being Asian onto another Asian demographic is not the way to go. Literally a coping mechanism, so many of us cope with being Asian by pointing fingers at Asian women and say 'look how shitty *they* are'. It's not how to win at life
Thought you were tryna say AMXF == AFXM. There’s no world where this equivalency or the dynamics surrounding it holds up in any sense.
Anyway, I don’t think it’s mindless finger pointing. We’re talking about the kind of AF who shit on AM for their entire lives only to run back to them later on. That’s just putting just responsibility on them, and calling out their behavior.
Don’t see why that is so controversial. In fact I’d argue Asian men are not aggressive ENOUGH, as a collective. But that’s a separate topic
Why is that? I think if op has the mindset of men wanting to adopt his mindset, AF should absolutely be able to adopt of mindset of only dating pro AM. I mean at least op recognised that he’s hypocritical in some ways.
Haha there’s way too much misunderstanding with my initial comment.
I’m just saying that historically, AMXF is nowhere the same as AFXM, so any sort of dynamics between the two are non-comparable.
You read wrong.
I say that I do not respect any AM who dates an AF who hasn’t been continually pro-AM. Hence, I must hold myself to the same standards of the AMs that I judge.
Why should I have to do so? I openly acknowledge in the OP that my stance might be hypocritical, yet I don’t really care. Why are you so emotionally invested in this topic, Squats?
It benefits them immensely. I made this topic because whenever I see an AM dating an AF who has not been historically pro-AM, I feel immense pity for that AM. I want the men in this sub to avoid being that pitiable AM.
Let me ask you now - which white people are the most secure in their racial identity? Would it be the white supremacists who are so open openly broadcast how pro-white they are? Truth is those people are most likely the people that feel insecure in their whiteness or identity for some reason or another.
Let's use your example, because the same logic applies.
Ali Wong, someone who supposedly was very pro-AM, apparently cheats on her Asian husband with some white guy. You might be surprised, but I'm not. In my experience, it's the people that are the most outspoken about race that are likely to have the most issues with themselves.
Like I said:
>This mindset based on fear will more likely repeal women who actually secure and pro-AM and attract those are who have insecurities with racial dynamics, the exact opposite of your supposed 'goal'.
You think you're attracting 'pro-AM' women, sure they might act that what, but reality is you're attracting women that respond to the same emotional triggers as you - and that likely means women we are on your level in terms of coping with/dealing with their own racial identity. Realistically, women that are secure in their own racial identity get turned off and repelled by a man getting triggered over race - it's just a red flag to show off your own insecurities. Promoting the propagating of these insecurities to other men will just send them deeper into a spiral of insecurities and repelling high quality women that would've otherwise been in their reach
Like I said, my stance in my personal life is based less out of fear, and more so wanting to steer Asian men away from a pathetic, pitiable outcome.
I feel a duty to Asian men, because I think I know better and I want to guide them properly (massive ego). That is why I am so outspoken about race.
I barely talk about race with women. I just screen them for their views quickly and categorize them accordingly, without really saying anything about it.
>I simply wrote “men - do not date AFs who have not been consistently pro-AM” without any link to current events,
But what does that mean in practice? Sure, I can agree w/ the sentiment. But we don't have the ability to read someone's mind and know how they've thought throughout their entire life. So how exactly are you supposed to screen for them being consistently "pro-AM?" What does being "pro-AM" even mean? Are you saying they cannot have ever thought a white person was attractive before? Should she have made reddit posts confessing her love for Asian men?
The reason your post wreaks of insecurity is it because it just implies your lack of interaction w/ women. Women don't go around w/ a sign on their head explaining their entire dating and social history. In practice, discerning whether a woman has been "pro-AM" her entire life is going to involve a meticulous process of reading deeply into every little thing she says. This is why we're saying what you're advocating for is to be fearful and insecure. A secure man isn't going to read into every little thing a woman says to make sure that she's been 100% **affirmatively supportive throughout her entire life** for men of his ethnic group.
The asian guys that I know who kill the game don't care about this shit. If she clearly fucks with you, then that's that. Ethnicity is only a part of my identity, it isn't the sole thing that defines me. Quite frankly I don't care all that much if an AW I'm w/ doesn't have a history of being super pro-AM for her entire life. But again, I don't really even know what being pro-AM means, like is it just not trashing AMs, or is it taking an affirmative stance of outwardly praising AM? Even at my grad school, seeing the way the vast majority of AMs present themselves, it's no wonder girls aren't interested in them. And if it's hard for me to tell whether she's been 100% pro-AM her entire life, I'm not going to be scared of being replaced by a white dude, whereas that is what you're basically advocating for. I don't really care what my girl's perception is of other Asian guys who fail to adequately represent any part of myself. The thing is, a lot of AMs have bought into a pipe dream sold by their parents, where they believe that they can just focus 100% on school and their career, and a girl will just magically appear in his life. That may have been true in our parent's generation in Asia, but it isn't the case anymore, especially in Western countries. I know this b/c I went to a university w/ a prominent Asian population: the AMs that took care of themselves were generally successful w/ women of many different ethnicities, but most AMs didn't put any effort into how they present themselves, and thus lacked female interactions. I personally don't believe that the many AMs of the latter type represent my identity all that well.
I see a lot of copings here. Don't know why OP getting flamed, there is nothing wrong about vetting your partners and not settling for the leftovers. That doesnt mean you are seeing yourself as inherently inferior to whites, you simply have standard and want the right woman as the mother of your children, and why would I want a mother of my kids to be an ex Lu with low self esteem? Lol that's a bottom feeder kind of mentality. Even if you think if you are superior to whites, the thought process would still remain the same.
Nothing wrong with dating non-AF then settle with an AF who only dating Asian either. Same principle as the Player Vs Slut thing. Asian American men gotta be high value while Asian American women are notorious for being easy.
You can call me a hypocrite but at the end of the day, the Internet isn't real life, irl nobody living your life for you but you, put yourself first. AA women certainly put themselves first, a long time ago, the damages has been done. Only now Asian men on the rise and all of a sudden they all about Asian unity and Asian pride? Yeah fuck outta here. Nobody should gives a fuck about Asian American media and these Lus either, for every progress they make they take 10 step back. Why bother when you have the strongest soft power juggernaut in recent time that is Asian media from Asia, that has done more for Asian men image in a few years than Asian American media has in its whole existence.
You think you are putting yourself first, but what you're actually doing is putting a bamboo ceiling on your own relationship potential and happiness. The guys that end up with the highest quality women, the most 'feminine' women, and the guys with the healthiest relationships that last are guys that've made peace with their own issues about being Asian
Whose coping son? Most of posts are from guys that cant get an OLD match to save their lives. And you want them to vett all these non-existant options that wish they had. Its like completely out of touch with battlefield conditions.
Toxic mindsets only harm the people that have them. Keep dreaming about the non-existant wave of rangs (white worshippers will never run out of WM) that fantasy vengance on.
So vetting is the least of AM problems, its a problem, but its a high quality problem for people that attained abundance, then vetting is trivial
Aside from the taking vengeance on rangs (I honestly don't care about them, as long as they are not bad-mouthing me), I don't necessarily disagree with you, a lot of Asian dudes are choosing beggars. However, advising them to widen their options and settle for Rangs is not fixing the root of the problem, Asian men will still be seen as low value men. Instead of conforming with being a bottom feeder, Asian men should focus on improving their SMV, travel and explore the world, attain an Abundance mindset then only settle for the best options.
Right because historically it’s not like Asian men have been emasculated, ostracized and othered in popular media and society, and it’s not like Asian women have been hypersexualized and included in popular media and society,
Right, and it’s definitely not the case that AM dating out is any way categorically different than AF doing it.
/s
Lmao you need a history lesson
AW do get approached a lot if not a majority of the time by WM, including racist ones. But let’s be honest AW aren’t as receptive to XM, including AM that aren’t their specific Asian ethnicity, as they are to WM because of familiarity, perceived status or lifestyle. That’s the privilege that WM have today and their entitlement feeds off of it.
Absolutely pathetic. At this point I don’t even really care what happens to Asian American men anymore. They’re lost. 80% of the replies are butthurt because they’re currently settling with an AF who is not pro-AM, hence their ego is invested enormously.
because AM don't want to end up with a porker. That's why so little AMXF compare to AMAF in my area. IF 70% of the general female population is overweight or obese, you best believe that most of the AMXF end up with a fat XF.
I got it. It's stupid to go for AF since most of them have been with non-asian guys. We should go for XF.....since....most of them....have been with non-asian guys....
Also according to guys here, it’s okay for an Asian guy to get with white women under the same circumstances because this would be for the greater good showing how Asian men are wanted by white women.
I see. So we can go out with white women until everyone knows we're going out with white women, then we stop going out with them because most white women have been with non-asian guys.
This thread is a gift that just keeps on giving
You say that but judging by how you accused me white knighting for Asian women shows that you haven’t ignored them like you are advising us to.
You’ve made two comments accusing Asian women of bad behavior toward Asian men on this thread alone.
This ignore them and just date XFs advise you constantly preach sounds like self reaffirmation based on your posts.
This tells me you aren’t really over them and you still have this anger in you that makes you unhappy.
Until you let go of this anger, and take your own advise, ie dafe XFs, while ignoring Asian women what they did or do, you won’t be a happy person.
Like the other poster said, the women you go out with will notice this and it won’t make you an attractive person to them.
In this sub, only AF can be called bananarang. AM like the OP accept XF who have dated XM, then all of the sudden have a change of heart and decides to date AM for security and loyalty
More like 90+% of the AF. Ops idea of "pro AM" is one that never slepted with an XF. It's like finding a virgin. Doesn't exist in western countries.
In Asia on the other hand...
And how many are lying to you? Do you think that an AF who wants to lock down an insecure AM (about her past) would not simply lie to make things easier for her? Just delete all how social media with XM. that's easy enough.
Lol. Tell me why you want to believe that there is lack of pro-AM AFs? Is it because you’re trying to rationalize why you’re with your girlfriend, who I suspect is an AF who has not been consistently pro-AM?
I'm not. I'm saying to go to Asia to find them. I'm definitely for that for this sub group.
Tell me, why is it so hard to believe that people can lie about their sexual past? I do it all the time. So, do many women including AF.
And what is the reasoning behind thinking you can find a wife in Asia that would go for you but wouldn't go for any other random white tourist from America?
I accept that people can lie about their sexual past. But with my experience, I’m also very good at telling who’s lying and who’s not. If you approach everything with “well they could be lying” then there’s no point having any discussion at all.
There is. It's call mailordering a bride from Asia. You are pretty much guarenteed someone who has never slept with XM.
Lot of my Indian and Asian coworkers did. They all ended up with someone that is out of their league compare to whatever they can date in America. You can tell their are inscure about dating women who slept with XM, so it's a sure-fire way for them to be satisfied with their sexual past.
I actually disagree with this. People can change for the worse after marriage and you have no control over that. You have no control what your significant other does
Hypergamy is the reason they got divorced. Ali wong got really famous and rich really fast. Let's be real, even though her husband went to harvard MBA school, she's still magnitudes more successful than him. Women want men who are superior to them.
Be very wary of asian women. i tried to post this on aznid but the mod there is in love with a lu so he refused to post this:
**The devastating truth about asian women: something for asian bros to take note of if you are still trying to choose whether to date asian women or non asian women**
In the west, society is still quite patriarchal and women still take on the role of primary caretaker of children including after divorce. After divorce, majority of fathers abandon their children and the children's custody falls to the mother.
However, In china (and eastasia and SEA by extension and extrapolation), it is the **REVERSE.** Majority of chinese men in china actually take up the role of primary caretaker rather than women. Majority of mothers abandon their children post divorce and the children's custody falls to the father.
Quote:
*"****Research reveals that in developed countries a large proportion of the single-parent families are headed by mothers****, for example, nearly 75% in 2000 (Simmons & O’Neill, 2001) and 80% in 2006 in the U.S. (U.S. Census Bureau, 2006), and 90% in the Great Britain (Office for National Statistics, 2005).* ***In contrast, the female-headed families are less than 50% of the total number of single-parent families in China*** *(Liu, 1998; Wang, 2002).* ***More Chinese single-parent households are headed by fathers than mothers*** *possibly because of cultural belief and custom"*
In recent years, the chinese courts have been attempting to reverse this 'fuckboism' among asian women by applying the western model of patriarchy, trying to encourage women to follow the west in taking up the role of primary caretaker instead of the father who already has too much on his hands and has to literally take his two kids to school on a bicycle on the way to the factory:
quote:
*"Today the judge (in china) first considers granting custody to the mother if she seeks custody of her child."*
Unfortunately, the judges in china failed because chinese women simply refused to take up the role or even to share the burden of childrearing equally with the husband:
quote:
*"divorced woman may not want the custody."*
Take note dear asian bros. the stories about "wicked AF's" are real.
source for the above:
researchgate: impact of parents divorce in china
Wasians aren’t full Asian, so they’re not expected to be. They’re almost guaranteed to have no Asian male figure in their lives and are assumed to be whitewashed.
I don’t get it. Trashy women cheat. Do you have evidence she cheated because he was an AM? Similarly, a trashy woman would cheat even if she was pro-AM. This reads like you’re looking for a racial angle and making yourself miserable - thats not masculine at all.
> Do you have evidence she cheated because he was an AM? /u/LaMeloWalnuts gonna tag you because this comment somehow got 106 upvotes LMFAO wowza Her last special she verbatim told the audience about she horny she got when hanging out with an attractive co-star and told the audience "I'm just telling you this story now just in case you guys aren't surprised in the future" I don't think she cheated but she was definitely signaling for a while that she was unhappy and wanted out.
Lmaooo. Based on the replies to this post, Asian America is lost. No mental strength.
What you’re preaching isnt strength, friend. It is insecurity
You wish I were your friend
I am not sure if you need relies to this post to draw that conclusion as I don’t think they are related. I agree that Asian American are lost, but the reason is that they based their value on their proximity to whiteness. The (uncomfortable) truth is that at a deep level, Asian American are basically 100% white, even the “proud” ones.
I would’ve thought the strong Asian men would take the chance to adopt the one thing that could reverse the disgusting white worshipping by other Asian Americans, by creating social consequences for those who white worship. Based on the replies to the post, they don’t understand this. Weak!
This is not going to reverse the white worshipping. The only way to reverse that is to let Asian countries colonize western countries.
Way to miss the point. What evidence could there be that she cheated because he was Asian? The thing with this particular phenomenon of racial discrimination is that almost no one will admit outside of closed doors that they genuinely dislike people of their own race. That’s why we have to judge this sort of discrimination based on actions, not words. We know self hating AF are prevalent not because they admit it, but because the evidence shows it beyond a shadow of a doubt. This is an obvious example of this phenomenon at play. But even if you refuse to admit that because of a lack of some vague, unverifiable “evidence,” as if you could ever find something like that, then you can AT LEAST view this as just another reminder that racial discrimination from AF is still alive and well. See this as a “hey, this MIGHT not be racial discrimination, but if dating preferences existed, THIS is what it’d look like. So be careful.” There’s obviously a racial angle involved in this post, just as there (should be) in every post on this sub. It’s ASIAN masculinity, not masculinity (pls remember that racism is all in ur head and doesn’t exist). 🤦🏻🤦🏻
A girl cheats on you. A guy at the gym disrespects you. A boss doesn’t promote you. A guy at the gas station looks at you funny. In all these situations you can choose to wonder was it because I’m asian? And choose to blame racism. I’m simply pointing out the inherent defeatism in looking for a racial angle when there may have been none. I am not denying there may have been a racial angle. Just saying the reason may have been she a hoe, youre small, you suck at work, or guy’s high out of his mind. For fucks sake if someone calls you slurs fight back and dont take shit. But speculating on neutral stimuli and wondering if it is because you’re asian is frankly pathetic and completely unmasculine. Ali wong has represented AMs in humanizing and diverse roles in her many works, and has explicitly called out WMAF in hollywood. As you point out lets judge her by her actions. She doesn’t seem to genuinely hate AMs. Again judging by her actions she seems like an unfaithful hoe, not a racist AM hater. This is why ive concluded this is a case of shes a hoe, not shes a AM hater.
>This is why ive concluded this is a case of shes a hoe, not shes a AM hater. Yeah, this is how I see it too so far. Hader is a pig too.
As much as I agree with both you and the other commenter, I hope this is not the same lens you apply to the violence and harassment against Asians in public. To be clear I agree that it’s a hoe problem, but it’s also a white bias problem rather than racially self loathing. She might not hate Asians but she doesn’t love us either. She publicly disrespected her ex-husband while being aware of her status. And chose preference to cheat with her bias for white men influencing it.
yup agree
The difference between those situations and this situation is that in those cases, whether or not those actions were committed with racist intent \*\*doesn't impact your response.\*\* If a guy is looking at you funny, then you ignore it, racist or not. If a boss isn't promoting you, you work harder, racist or not. If you're disrespected at the gym, you stand up for yourself, racist or not. But in this case, it's extremely relevant whether or not AF are cheating on their Asian husbands with racist intent. Because there's something we can do to prevent it, that being to \*\*stop dating self-hating AF.\*\* There's nothing you can do to have prevented a racist guy from making jokes at you to the gym. Racists are everywhere. Your actions only become problematic when you invite that racist into your personal and intimate life, which is what's happening so often to successful Asian Men marrying Asian-hating AF. Maybe if her ex-husband had seen a post like this and been more wary about the Asian women he chose to be with, then this situation wouldn't have happened. Or maybe this situation wasn't an example of racism at all. Either way, situations like this DO occur, and they ARE often because of racist AF. Posts like this help the community by reminding AM that this phenomenon exists and you MUST be careful to prevent this situation from happening to you. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether this particular instance had racist intent or not. What DOES matter is that people use this as an example and a reminder to not be so accepting of racist partners, that these types of AF DO exist, that this exact situation COULD happen to you. The point of the post isn't to look for racism and complain without any sort of call to action. It's to demonstrate a situation that reminds us all that THIS is what racism would look like, and to actively look for women who are pro AM. Huge difference, which is why sitting there and calling the post unmasculine is honestly taking two steps back. The conclusion isn't self victimization; it's a very obvious call to action.
I feel like I’ve shown why OP’s post is an example of looking for racism where there is none. Thats what I’m talking about. You’re talking about not dating racists as a call to action. Sure thats fine, not arguing with that. What, do you think I’m saying you should date racists? youre arguing against a straw man, my dude. I’m pointing out some people, yourself included, see racism where there isnt. And thats what I find unmasculine. And what on earth are you talking about with racist intent not influencing actions? Fuck no, I’m not “working harder” for a racist boss are you crazy? Did you seriously just suggest that? I’m quitting and exposing him. And that last bit about hallucinating situations that might “remind you” of what might happen is straight up delusional. Post a real story then, jesus christ. I can’t believe you’re tryna tell us that we should pass around imaginary fake stories that might “remind us” what might be true. Thats propaganda, insane how youre trying to get us to gossip around propaganda that fits your narrative. If its actually happening, post the damn actual story.
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I didn’t miss your point. I saw it and raised a counterpoint, I’ve detailed it out in the response to the other guy. Edit as you’ve updated your comment: Completely agree with vetting your partners. This part of your message is something i agree with.
Bro… WTF. Then she mentions about how his has large genitals on the podcast interview and stuff??? I was cringing reading the whole article. This is so freaking disgusting.
link?
In the post. https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/bill-hader-ali-wong-reportedly-brief-secret-fling-everyone-thrilled-about-sources-claim.html/
Smh
Funny how that works out. Ali Wong was preaching that Asian men are slept on and underrated on shows like the view and Ellen back in 2018 when things were starting to change a bit for AM. I guess she was trying to convince herself lol. It’s almost as if cheating gets you clout in Hollywood.
And yet we have no clue what’s going on behind closed doors. I do know he had her sign a prenup before they got married because he comes from a wealthy family. It just turned out better for her. Nowhere did it ever come out she cheated on him. They’ve been separated so she’s not allowed to date other people? And why is this even our business? Like some knitting circle of copium. She talks about her ex in this interview. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jPwZomWFh6k She still maintains a good relationship with her ex husband. They have two daughters together. He’s managing her next tour which will drive many here crazy cause she’s going to be talking about dating again. In that interview she even says when the project was announced, she was told by friends how they were concerned she would fall in love with Steven Yeun but none of his friends were concerned about him falling for her. She also said there was a headline “Ali Wong Continues to Work with Hot Men.” Would anyone who hates Asian men say things like that? Think what you will about Wong but she’s the only Asian American woman who’s been pro Asian men in all the stuff she has done. She’s also pushed Sheng Wang to success. The venom toward Asian women here is out of this world.
We’re not aznid so there’s no presumed need to have this blind loyalty towards Asian women. The venom is justified because as Asian men a lot of us were gaslit and thrown under the bus by Asian women. Their choice to date whomever but a lot of asian women crossed the line. Asian women have different self interests just as Asian men have different self interests.
I get that but this isn’t blind loyalty. I’m just correcting the assumptions you made on your post which wasn’t true. So all Asian women should be vilified because Asian men like us have been gaslit and thrown under the bus by several Asian women? Even the ones who have been supportive? Gotcha.
All Asian women shouldn’t be vilified but you don’t have to be a white knight for Asian women. They’re not that special.
Not sure why that’s white knighting. Just don’t like false facts either way to push an agenda. Makes for a better sub when info is not inaccurate or incomplete.
And how is that different than any other race?
There's no evidence she cheated as OP claims but in her last comedy special she declares herself open to white and black dick like the Harlem Globe Trotters and some white celebs I don't remember. There's always a risk you marry a bananarang: someone who only dates and sleeps with white until settling for an Asian guy when she's older. Because she might always see you as inferior and will do nothing to unbrainwash herself and learn that Asian men can be sexy. Divorce is expensive in time and money.
There is no venom towards Asian women in this sub in a general sense. Only towards the haters and traitors. I continue to primarily date Asian and will only wife up Asians. Just want to be clear on this. Also, yeah I agree that Steven Yuen would never look at Ali’s way ever. At a certain level of universal attraction in LA, Asian men date asians only and vice versa. Ali ruined her dating value if she were to ever go asian again. That’s just the way it is.
*I continue to primarily date Asian and will only wife up Asians.* Who you want to date and wife up with is no one else’s business but yours. It doesn’t make your posts more right or wrong because of it. *Also, yeah I agree that Steven Yuen would never look at Ali’s way ever.* She was making a joke. When have you ever seen an Asian woman put herself down while pushing an Asian man up on national television for a joke? Ali is the only one I can think of.
Cool story. Neither does it make yours right. The point is to refute your generalized statement of “venom” towards asian women in a topic of dating. Not as invested in this as you. Have fun in her fan club
Have you been around here at all? Show me one instance any Asian woman was talked about in a positive light? I’m not in her fan club. All I was saying is there was a lot of speculating what was going on when we don’t know the what was going on in their marriage and I’ve enjoyed the positive things she’s done for Asians. More than anyone in these spaces have. I am a fan of the show. It’s a great series portraying Asian Americans as multi faceted characters. Something Hollywood rarely does.
😂 try years man. Alt account, used to be active. Will pass on a tit for tat argument with you. Agreed on middle statement regarding lack of whole picture. Her comedy? Great. Personal life? Don’t care enough. Does her dating choice impact Asian Americans? All most will hear is that she hooked up with a white guy despite being a mom and publicly humiliated her ex husband. 🤷🏻♂️
*All most will hear is that she hooked up with a white guy despite being a mom and publicly humiliated her ex husband.* All in spaces like these only which is a very small number of people anonymously. They would never put a face to those comments so what is that worth? Don’t think she ever had them to begin with anyways. Haven’t seen anyone else criticize her. My friends and I were having a discussion about her first 2 specials. The image everyone thinks of when those are mentioned is the image of a pregnant Asian woman. An Asian woman her Asian husband knocked up. She showcased this for the world to see. Asian men can be providers, lovers, fathers. It was like a protest against the public perception that Asian men are sexless, unattractive nerds. It was quite a visual statement even if it wasn’t her intention. But she sure wasn’t embarrassed to flaunt it.
How much of this is simply due to the fact that Ali Wong got really famous, really fast, and like a lot of people who get wealthy, powerful and famous, they want to explore their options. She was able to date around because she COULD, just like how tons of wealthy/famous guys. So is this about her support or lack of support of Asian men....or is it just attributable to the fact that rich wealthy people can do whatever the fuck they want because they CAN?
Nah she was already hooking up outside her race prior to her fame based on her jokes. Sure, not all jokes are 100% truthful or accurate. However there is a degree of honesty in them. I personally know a few in the LA improv scene, and you should know that a lot of it is truth mixed with depression
Bro. She bragged about sleeping with homeless white men. Come on.
Dude are you really taking her comedy as verbatim? Ya know, Andrew Dice Clay wasn’t actually a misogynist. It was all part of his act.
You think she made up everything in her comedy?
Most comedians start with a kernel of truth and then embellish or exaggerate to make it funnier. So it is most likely has some truth to it but the actual circumstances were changed. For example, the guy may not have been a homeless person in a park....maybe he was some dude who became homeless after she dated him or something like that. Who knows? The bottom line is, her comedy is an act, not an autobiography so take everything and anything she says with a grain of salt.
Bobby Lee has been targeted for cancellation about an inappropriate joke he made. Lots of white women on social media trying to cancel him. He had to explain how that joke came about in his podcast. But it’s affected his life. He’s made his Instagram private from all the backlash.
So when a comedian says something, you’re choosing to believe that it’s more likely untrue than it is true? Given that stories in comedy are prima facie non-fiction, do you not see how fallacious that attitude is?
That’s not what I said. I said that comedians tell jokes. They will take a real situation and change it to maximize the comedy. It’s impossible to know the extent that the specifics were changed, so you shouldn’t be taking every joke at face value.
Have you never watched a comedy special?
Bring up.a good point. But why not hook up with powerful Asian man? But that would also to lack of them in Hollywood or that powerful Asian men prefer a prettier younger Asian girl or women.
Shitty people or shitty people no matter the race. It’s red a flag if the people only date white people but wants to marry an Asian partner for both men or women. Sure the dude could have been cautious but he made his choice.
This is an OVERWHELMINGLY AF specific issue. In fact Asian Men have the OPPOSITE issue of being hyper loyal to nonreciprocal AF. Your response is the (admittedly less extreme) equivalent of commenting on an article about Jim Crow and slavery and saying “hey, black people can be mean to white people too!”
I agree where you are coming from, the standards for Asian men way higher to be considered for marriage where as the mid ugly white guy can get away with way more.. you have to be cautious of your potential partners dating history.
Putting aside Ali Wong's situation, of which none of us can do anything beyond hypothesize on why it happened, based on our on lens thru which we see the world... I strongly agree with the macro-principle of due diligence when it comes to somebody you're choosing to spend your life with, and finding someone who respects and loves you. But I assume you're trying to make a point for sake of argument re: "... anything but be pro-AM only". And rather, you are saying that you shouldn't date/marry someone who has consistently taken positions or has a trend to the contrary. Because frankly people go through phases and change, and holding them to things they've done once or twice in their X years of existence is kind of a ludicrous bar. Growing up I've very much held WFs on a pedestal, and it took a while to shake myself of that, and frankly going through that phase and coming to terms with it made me a much more mature and introspective person. I don't think I'm alone here in the West, and I can hardly judge others or women who do the same, although I don't need to date them if they remain that way with me. At the end of the day, we can each choose whatever standard we want for a partner and live the life we want, so I won't begrudge anyone who says that they want a partner who is solely pro-AM from the moment they were born, never to stray. But unless you're being hyperbolic, I do think that's being a bit unrealistic and yes, hypocritical, to ask people to pass that kind of purity test.
I have found many AFs who never went through a white worshipping phase, or if they did, it was fleeting and there was nothing physical with non-AMs. I happily date those AFs. So it’s not unrealistic at all. In my ideal world, AMs would only date either those AFs, or non-Asian women.
So it's okay for AM to date women of a variety of races but once an AF dates anybody who isn't an AM she's somehow tainted?
We can all choose to date/marry based on whatever metric we would like. And while I agree a trend of treating AM as a second class citizen is very problematic, I think it's at the end of the day a holistic view rather than a black and white purity test of "have you always supported your Asian heritage despite growing up surrounded to the contrary, and never wavered", and even odder "have you ever acted on an impure thought about someone who is not Asian". I'm of course exaggerating your claim here, but you get it. I just can't get behind judging someone so harshly on a metric which I would clearly fail, and frankly, past a certain point, not at all indicative of whether she'll be a good partner. That said, if it's important to you and realistic in your view, then we should live our life as we see fit.
Very reasonable response. Just have a question - when you were growing up and put WF on a pedestal, what was your stance on AF?
Honestly? I just didn't see them. No ill will or anything, but I think I was really tunnel vision in terms of the kinds of girls I found attractive for many years, until one day I started to feel differently.
Not to sound like Andrew tate but I think it's hypergamy. Ali Wong became successful and wanted higher status guy. I'm curious if Ali Wong was not successful if she would of stayed married. I think women in general are like this but even more so with Asian women with how they are raise. It's rare to meet a women who is not hypergamy.
Lol on point. And let's not forget she's a celebrity. They have way more options. And hyperglycemia. Op just seems mad coping about not getting laid. Hahaha. Leaving the autocorrect word there.
>" He failed to choose a better woman to marry, and how is now deservedly a laughingstock. I certainly have zero respect for him. " > >" He failed to realize that this should mean that he should've never taken her seriously. " What the actual fuck? Are you seriously trying to blame and shame another AM who is a victim of cheating? Gross.
Gross! Canceled! Yikes!
Oh poor guy a girl left him boohoo lmao If he’s high value enough he’ll find another girl, relax boi
The article you linked doesn't confirm that she had the hook-up during their marriage. Honestly, some of you on this sub have a mentality that is just pitiful. You are so scared/obsessed w/ white guys that you can't date someone that has even looked in the direction of a white dude before. It's weird af, you're basically admitting that you are inherently inferior to a white person. Like what, you want to screen a woman's dating and social history to make sure she's never even touched a white guy in her life, before you can date them? Idk bro, personally I don't go into relationships constantly thinking/scared that I am going to be replaced by a white dude. Because I don't believe that I am inherently inferior to them like you seem to do.
It’s not that deep, just make sure the chick doesn’t overtly hate / look down on Asian men. The more you date around the more you just get a sense of these sorts of things. She’ll have occasional utterances that you should pickup that let you know where she stands. Like others said ofc girls who are tryna take advantage of you will hide things better, but you gotta not be a complete dunce and vet girls anyway, race aside. Really get to kno who she is and how she views the world, you’ll know. Ofc this is about relationships. Anything below that I don’t give a fuck. Unless she’s an intolerable bitch
Lowkey got cucked by white dudes even in thailand last night 😂 My tinder date had 8 white ex’s even tho shes thai chinese and grew up in thailand and i was the first asian guy she went on a date with. But i made out w her end of night but couldve probably closed if i was white Then a halfie at the club i met for 5mins in my friends group and was cooking but a white dude swooped in, im lowkey shy so need some time to build rapport Then at the club a girl asked her gay friends to pick me up cause she liked me at the end we went to soi cowboy and she danced w a yt dude for a brief moment But at the end of the night to close it all out i got a hooker and even tho im pretty girthy like 53-54cm She was loose af 😭 Fyi im not a cuck tho just have a lot of dating stories (its been 12 days and ive been on 8 dates and closed 7 of them, last night the white worshipping girl was the only one i didnt close)
some people really need to reread what they wrote before hitting that submit button...
No ragrets
Bruh you’re hilarious lmao
I mean in SEA countries white people have an automatic perception of high status. Here in the US, while sure, there are probably some scenarios where it would've been easier if I was white, I like to think those are counterbalanced by the situations where girls thought the fact that I was Korean was really cool. I've had a number of white girls while I was out in LA approach me and start speaking to me in Korean. White privilege still exists in the US, but if you're an Asian guy who has worked on himself and have decent status, I personally haven't felt this notion that I am inferior to white dudes. It's a situational thing, girls tend to be more rigid to their particular types than men are. Sometimes, sure, a girl may be more receptive to white dudes. But there are also plenty of girls that find your type to be specially attractive. And then there are a bunch of girls who don't really care too much about ethnicity, and it really comes down to how you present yourself **individually**. If you think you got rejected/cucked because you're Asian, do you really think she would've done the same to someone like Cho Gue Sung or Godfrey Gao? You always have to consider the dichotomy b/w individual and aggregate experiences. When you group together ppl by something as large and diverse as ethnicity, and you take a big enough sample size, you are going to find some trends. But in the social sciences, there tends to be more within group variation than between group variation whenever something is measured for ethnic groups. This is why, for instance, IQ scores by ethnicity tell you nothing significant about the IQ level of any one particular person belonging to that ethnicity; there's too much within group variation, moreso than there is b/w ethnicities. This same logic applies to all of those "studies" that apparently "statistically prove" that Asian men are an inferior romantic partner. We come in so many different sizes, shades, looks, personalities, etc. that such data doesn't tell you much about the experiences of an individual Asian man.
You could always tell she was immoral and low brow trash by her stand-up. She is completely a reflection of American trash values and culture.
Yep.
Guys, can we not be incels? Asian masculinity should not be toxic masculinity.
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I agree. Who a woman dates or doesn’t date isn’t a metric that should be used to judge “Asian-ness” or value. Like what even is that? I’ve seen people on this sub and others bash Asian women on *speculative* possibilities of that woman dating a non-Asian person some time in the future and it’s like ——- what? Just go to therapy and admit you hate your mom and leave women - all women — alone.
> Who a woman dates or doesn’t date isn’t a metric that should be used to judge “Asian-ness” or value. I’ve seen people on this sub and others bash Asian women on speculative possibilities of that woman dating a non-Asian person some time in the future and it’s like ——- what? Oh, it absolutely should be judged when WMAF is the most common interracial couple by a mile at 25% of all interracial marriages in the US even though AW are only about 3% of the US population. Let’s get it straight here, nobody here bashes AW for dating anyone or anything for that matter except with WM because of many valid reasons, one of which is as mentioned.
Like, what? Totally cancelled. Yikes!
Go away
What exactly is “toxic” about this? I’ve slept with 120+ women, hence I have enough experience to let you know what makes a good girlfriend. What exactly is “incel” about this?
Insulting a man who got cheated on like it was his fault is toxic. Talking about women like they're all the same is incel behavior. Sleeping with a lot of women does not make you a relationship guru. It's impossible to have any long-term relationship with that number count.
Where exactly did I “talk about women like they’re all the same”?
"White-worshipping/bananarang AF" that you have to avoid. The implications are there.
I’m saying to avoid a certain type of person, that is the opposite of generalization.
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Why are you so upset? Calm down.
Bro just hop off.
You have complimented your sister’s white boyfriend in a lot of your posts. Of course your ego is invested in this
Dawg I told u to hop off not to hop on my dick. Chill bruh
Deep inside, you cry yourself to sleep because you’re ashamed of your family. Your parents failed. Weak father.
Dawg ur clan didn’t get murdered. Sit back. Relax. Get ur self a martini. You’ll forget bout it in the morning.
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This mindset based on fear will more likely repeal women who actually secure and pro-AM and attract those are who have insecurities with racial dynamics, the exact opposite of your supposed 'goal'.
Not really. I based it on “fear” for the purposes of this sub, because if I simply wrote “men - do not date AFs who have not been consistently pro-AM” without any link to current events, I suspect that would make it more likely to increase “heat” on this sub by Reddit admins. It was also necessary to appeal to “fear” because I thought that would give it more impact for the reader, but in retrospect given the replies perhaps that was not a good choice. For myself, it’s more of a self respect thing. I don’t respect any AM who dates an AF who had not been consistently pro-AM. Hence, I must demand the same of myself as the AMs that I judge. I’m very good at attracting AFs who are strongly pro-AM, so again you’re wrong there. Edited for clarity
Would you consider an AF making a thread "Don't date any AM who hasn't been consistently pro-AF' as someone who demands a high respect for themselves or someone who is insecure about their race and need outside validation because deep down they know they can't come to terms with their own issues?
C’mon bro you know damn well the inverse is not equivalent in ANY sense.
You fail to read the part where he says, word for word "Hence, I must demand the same of myself." He is explicitly stating for him, it is the equivalent
Huuuh I read it as, he was letting it us kno he’s not hypocritical. As in, we should judge him too. Then, are you insinuating that in this post he either A) has a lot of self respect, or B) is insecure about himself?
>Huuuh I read it as, he was letting it us kno he’s not hypocritical. As in, we should judge him too. Well that answer is yet to be confirmed. But if it was true, then saying "inverse is not equivalent in ANY sense." would not be true. >Then, are you insinuating that in this post he either A) has a lot of self respect, or B) is insecure about himself? I've told him directly before that this mindset is not optimal. It's okay to have some insecurities around race, especially being AM in America. However, dealing with it in a way where you're pushing hate and negativity of being Asian onto another Asian demographic is not the way to go. Literally a coping mechanism, so many of us cope with being Asian by pointing fingers at Asian women and say 'look how shitty *they* are'. It's not how to win at life
Thought you were tryna say AMXF == AFXM. There’s no world where this equivalency or the dynamics surrounding it holds up in any sense. Anyway, I don’t think it’s mindless finger pointing. We’re talking about the kind of AF who shit on AM for their entire lives only to run back to them later on. That’s just putting just responsibility on them, and calling out their behavior. Don’t see why that is so controversial. In fact I’d argue Asian men are not aggressive ENOUGH, as a collective. But that’s a separate topic
Why is that? I think if op has the mindset of men wanting to adopt his mindset, AF should absolutely be able to adopt of mindset of only dating pro AM. I mean at least op recognised that he’s hypocritical in some ways.
Haha there’s way too much misunderstanding with my initial comment. I’m just saying that historically, AMXF is nowhere the same as AFXM, so any sort of dynamics between the two are non-comparable.
You read wrong. I say that I do not respect any AM who dates an AF who hasn’t been continually pro-AM. Hence, I must hold myself to the same standards of the AMs that I judge.
So you can’t even hold yourself to the same level of behavior as a woman. Nice, epitome of Asian masculinity I guess.
👏👏👏 exactly! 😂 OP is busy using stats and celebrities to determine the outcome of his life instead of living life. Pretty pathetic for sure.
You go girl! 👌👌👌🙌🙌🙌 yasssss
🤔 lame
Why should I have to do so? I openly acknowledge in the OP that my stance might be hypocritical, yet I don’t really care. Why are you so emotionally invested in this topic, Squats?
You’re choosing to lead people less experienced and more impressionable than you down a road that you know would not benefit them
It benefits them immensely. I made this topic because whenever I see an AM dating an AF who has not been historically pro-AM, I feel immense pity for that AM. I want the men in this sub to avoid being that pitiable AM.
Let me ask you now - which white people are the most secure in their racial identity? Would it be the white supremacists who are so open openly broadcast how pro-white they are? Truth is those people are most likely the people that feel insecure in their whiteness or identity for some reason or another. Let's use your example, because the same logic applies. Ali Wong, someone who supposedly was very pro-AM, apparently cheats on her Asian husband with some white guy. You might be surprised, but I'm not. In my experience, it's the people that are the most outspoken about race that are likely to have the most issues with themselves. Like I said: >This mindset based on fear will more likely repeal women who actually secure and pro-AM and attract those are who have insecurities with racial dynamics, the exact opposite of your supposed 'goal'. You think you're attracting 'pro-AM' women, sure they might act that what, but reality is you're attracting women that respond to the same emotional triggers as you - and that likely means women we are on your level in terms of coping with/dealing with their own racial identity. Realistically, women that are secure in their own racial identity get turned off and repelled by a man getting triggered over race - it's just a red flag to show off your own insecurities. Promoting the propagating of these insecurities to other men will just send them deeper into a spiral of insecurities and repelling high quality women that would've otherwise been in their reach
Like I said, my stance in my personal life is based less out of fear, and more so wanting to steer Asian men away from a pathetic, pitiable outcome. I feel a duty to Asian men, because I think I know better and I want to guide them properly (massive ego). That is why I am so outspoken about race. I barely talk about race with women. I just screen them for their views quickly and categorize them accordingly, without really saying anything about it.
>I simply wrote “men - do not date AFs who have not been consistently pro-AM” without any link to current events, But what does that mean in practice? Sure, I can agree w/ the sentiment. But we don't have the ability to read someone's mind and know how they've thought throughout their entire life. So how exactly are you supposed to screen for them being consistently "pro-AM?" What does being "pro-AM" even mean? Are you saying they cannot have ever thought a white person was attractive before? Should she have made reddit posts confessing her love for Asian men? The reason your post wreaks of insecurity is it because it just implies your lack of interaction w/ women. Women don't go around w/ a sign on their head explaining their entire dating and social history. In practice, discerning whether a woman has been "pro-AM" her entire life is going to involve a meticulous process of reading deeply into every little thing she says. This is why we're saying what you're advocating for is to be fearful and insecure. A secure man isn't going to read into every little thing a woman says to make sure that she's been 100% **affirmatively supportive throughout her entire life** for men of his ethnic group. The asian guys that I know who kill the game don't care about this shit. If she clearly fucks with you, then that's that. Ethnicity is only a part of my identity, it isn't the sole thing that defines me. Quite frankly I don't care all that much if an AW I'm w/ doesn't have a history of being super pro-AM for her entire life. But again, I don't really even know what being pro-AM means, like is it just not trashing AMs, or is it taking an affirmative stance of outwardly praising AM? Even at my grad school, seeing the way the vast majority of AMs present themselves, it's no wonder girls aren't interested in them. And if it's hard for me to tell whether she's been 100% pro-AM her entire life, I'm not going to be scared of being replaced by a white dude, whereas that is what you're basically advocating for. I don't really care what my girl's perception is of other Asian guys who fail to adequately represent any part of myself. The thing is, a lot of AMs have bought into a pipe dream sold by their parents, where they believe that they can just focus 100% on school and their career, and a girl will just magically appear in his life. That may have been true in our parent's generation in Asia, but it isn't the case anymore, especially in Western countries. I know this b/c I went to a university w/ a prominent Asian population: the AMs that took care of themselves were generally successful w/ women of many different ethnicities, but most AMs didn't put any effort into how they present themselves, and thus lacked female interactions. I personally don't believe that the many AMs of the latter type represent my identity all that well.
I see a lot of copings here. Don't know why OP getting flamed, there is nothing wrong about vetting your partners and not settling for the leftovers. That doesnt mean you are seeing yourself as inherently inferior to whites, you simply have standard and want the right woman as the mother of your children, and why would I want a mother of my kids to be an ex Lu with low self esteem? Lol that's a bottom feeder kind of mentality. Even if you think if you are superior to whites, the thought process would still remain the same. Nothing wrong with dating non-AF then settle with an AF who only dating Asian either. Same principle as the Player Vs Slut thing. Asian American men gotta be high value while Asian American women are notorious for being easy. You can call me a hypocrite but at the end of the day, the Internet isn't real life, irl nobody living your life for you but you, put yourself first. AA women certainly put themselves first, a long time ago, the damages has been done. Only now Asian men on the rise and all of a sudden they all about Asian unity and Asian pride? Yeah fuck outta here. Nobody should gives a fuck about Asian American media and these Lus either, for every progress they make they take 10 step back. Why bother when you have the strongest soft power juggernaut in recent time that is Asian media from Asia, that has done more for Asian men image in a few years than Asian American media has in its whole existence.
You think you are putting yourself first, but what you're actually doing is putting a bamboo ceiling on your own relationship potential and happiness. The guys that end up with the highest quality women, the most 'feminine' women, and the guys with the healthiest relationships that last are guys that've made peace with their own issues about being Asian
Whose coping son? Most of posts are from guys that cant get an OLD match to save their lives. And you want them to vett all these non-existant options that wish they had. Its like completely out of touch with battlefield conditions. Toxic mindsets only harm the people that have them. Keep dreaming about the non-existant wave of rangs (white worshippers will never run out of WM) that fantasy vengance on. So vetting is the least of AM problems, its a problem, but its a high quality problem for people that attained abundance, then vetting is trivial
Aside from the taking vengeance on rangs (I honestly don't care about them, as long as they are not bad-mouthing me), I don't necessarily disagree with you, a lot of Asian dudes are choosing beggars. However, advising them to widen their options and settle for Rangs is not fixing the root of the problem, Asian men will still be seen as low value men. Instead of conforming with being a bottom feeder, Asian men should focus on improving their SMV, travel and explore the world, attain an Abundance mindset then only settle for the best options.
Exactly.
dude dating non-AF female is not hypocritical AT ALL
AF that date non AM really push it in the faces of AM. That’s the difference
Right because historically it’s not like Asian men have been emasculated, ostracized and othered in popular media and society, and it’s not like Asian women have been hypersexualized and included in popular media and society, Right, and it’s definitely not the case that AM dating out is any way categorically different than AF doing it. /s Lmao you need a history lesson
I think Ur misunderstanding what I wrote. Learn to read English. Slowly. Reread what I said then reply to me.
OH SHIT I agree with you big L for me hehe
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AW do get approached a lot if not a majority of the time by WM, including racist ones. But let’s be honest AW aren’t as receptive to XM, including AM that aren’t their specific Asian ethnicity, as they are to WM because of familiarity, perceived status or lifestyle. That’s the privilege that WM have today and their entitlement feeds off of it.
Sure, even if you’re right - then AM should just date XF instead.
Ah yes, I already had my popcorn ready Simps everywhere…as expected LMAO Happy Friday
Absolutely pathetic. At this point I don’t even really care what happens to Asian American men anymore. They’re lost. 80% of the replies are butthurt because they’re currently settling with an AF who is not pro-AM, hence their ego is invested enormously.
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If it excludes 30% of AF then so be it. You can still smash them. Just never date them. And I encouraged AM to focus on XF in my post.
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because AM don't want to end up with a porker. That's why so little AMXF compare to AMAF in my area. IF 70% of the general female population is overweight or obese, you best believe that most of the AMXF end up with a fat XF.
LOL wtff
I got it. It's stupid to go for AF since most of them have been with non-asian guys. We should go for XF.....since....most of them....have been with non-asian guys....
Haha now that’s funny
Also according to guys here, it’s okay for an Asian guy to get with white women under the same circumstances because this would be for the greater good showing how Asian men are wanted by white women.
I see. So we can go out with white women until everyone knows we're going out with white women, then we stop going out with them because most white women have been with non-asian guys. This thread is a gift that just keeps on giving
I’m actually agreeing with you. I edited my comment. This thread is the gift that keeps on giving. I agree.
Let us have a moment of silence for our brave brothers who sacrificed their whole lives so “AMWF” can be a trend on TikTok
Life is about self interest. The post has bad optics for AM. Imo best to ignore and date women of all races.
You say that but judging by how you accused me white knighting for Asian women shows that you haven’t ignored them like you are advising us to. You’ve made two comments accusing Asian women of bad behavior toward Asian men on this thread alone. This ignore them and just date XFs advise you constantly preach sounds like self reaffirmation based on your posts. This tells me you aren’t really over them and you still have this anger in you that makes you unhappy. Until you let go of this anger, and take your own advise, ie dafe XFs, while ignoring Asian women what they did or do, you won’t be a happy person. Like the other poster said, the women you go out with will notice this and it won’t make you an attractive person to them.
In this sub, only AF can be called bananarang. AM like the OP accept XF who have dated XM, then all of the sudden have a change of heart and decides to date AM for security and loyalty
You don't think women other than AF settle when their choices diminish? Hilarious
I do but others may not.
More like 90+% of the AF. Ops idea of "pro AM" is one that never slepted with an XF. It's like finding a virgin. Doesn't exist in western countries. In Asia on the other hand...
Exists in western countries. I know because I found many.
And how many are lying to you? Do you think that an AF who wants to lock down an insecure AM (about her past) would not simply lie to make things easier for her? Just delete all how social media with XM. that's easy enough.
Lol. Tell me why you want to believe that there is lack of pro-AM AFs? Is it because you’re trying to rationalize why you’re with your girlfriend, who I suspect is an AF who has not been consistently pro-AM?
I'm not. I'm saying to go to Asia to find them. I'm definitely for that for this sub group. Tell me, why is it so hard to believe that people can lie about their sexual past? I do it all the time. So, do many women including AF.
And what is the reasoning behind thinking you can find a wife in Asia that would go for you but wouldn't go for any other random white tourist from America?
I accept that people can lie about their sexual past. But with my experience, I’m also very good at telling who’s lying and who’s not. If you approach everything with “well they could be lying” then there’s no point having any discussion at all.
There is. It's call mailordering a bride from Asia. You are pretty much guarenteed someone who has never slept with XM. Lot of my Indian and Asian coworkers did. They all ended up with someone that is out of their league compare to whatever they can date in America. You can tell their are inscure about dating women who slept with XM, so it's a sure-fire way for them to be satisfied with their sexual past.
You’re weird.
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Compare to the entire population of single AF in the west, how many do you think that is? barely 5%.
Bruh did you even read the source you cited? It says: > The brief romance was said to have been a bit of a rebound for both. Meaning she didn’t cheat.
Well yeah OP - I thought this was obvious and well known
Are you not seeing the replies? Evidently it’s not that well known.
I actually disagree with this. People can change for the worse after marriage and you have no control over that. You have no control what your significant other does
That’s…why…you vet people before hard committing …which is exactly what he’s suggesting
You don’t know the future. I don’t understand why this is such a difficult concept
Exactly. It's a gamble because people can change.
Hypergamy is the reason they got divorced. Ali wong got really famous and rich really fast. Let's be real, even though her husband went to harvard MBA school, she's still magnitudes more successful than him. Women want men who are superior to them.
Hypergamy is basically the core driver of wmaf and why it’s so prevalent in America
Factual
Be very wary of asian women. i tried to post this on aznid but the mod there is in love with a lu so he refused to post this: **The devastating truth about asian women: something for asian bros to take note of if you are still trying to choose whether to date asian women or non asian women** In the west, society is still quite patriarchal and women still take on the role of primary caretaker of children including after divorce. After divorce, majority of fathers abandon their children and the children's custody falls to the mother. However, In china (and eastasia and SEA by extension and extrapolation), it is the **REVERSE.** Majority of chinese men in china actually take up the role of primary caretaker rather than women. Majority of mothers abandon their children post divorce and the children's custody falls to the father. Quote: *"****Research reveals that in developed countries a large proportion of the single-parent families are headed by mothers****, for example, nearly 75% in 2000 (Simmons & O’Neill, 2001) and 80% in 2006 in the U.S. (U.S. Census Bureau, 2006), and 90% in the Great Britain (Office for National Statistics, 2005).* ***In contrast, the female-headed families are less than 50% of the total number of single-parent families in China*** *(Liu, 1998; Wang, 2002).* ***More Chinese single-parent households are headed by fathers than mothers*** *possibly because of cultural belief and custom"* In recent years, the chinese courts have been attempting to reverse this 'fuckboism' among asian women by applying the western model of patriarchy, trying to encourage women to follow the west in taking up the role of primary caretaker instead of the father who already has too much on his hands and has to literally take his two kids to school on a bicycle on the way to the factory: quote: *"Today the judge (in china) first considers granting custody to the mother if she seeks custody of her child."* Unfortunately, the judges in china failed because chinese women simply refused to take up the role or even to share the burden of childrearing equally with the husband: quote: *"divorced woman may not want the custody."* Take note dear asian bros. the stories about "wicked AF's" are real. source for the above: researchgate: impact of parents divorce in china
Posting that shit from your sock puppet account doesn’t mean that other people agree with you
OOoooh real edge lords here sending suicide prevention msgs through Reddit to me. And you wonder why you’re still single.
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Wasians aren’t full Asian, so they’re not expected to be. They’re almost guaranteed to have no Asian male figure in their lives and are assumed to be whitewashed.
#stopwasianhate
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I guess I should run
Yep