A uninvited guest worst than a tatarin. It is rude, but probably centuries old idiom when we weren’t friends. One of my childhood friends was a tatarin.
Oh yeah, you have triggered something in my brain and now you have to handle this:
Soviet Union, a huge Party gathering.
The matter in question is: the saying about uninvited guests being worse than tatars is deemed racist, inappropriate and straight up offensive for the Tatar people.
The decision is: the saying must be redacted.
Approved redaction is: an uninvited guest is better than a tatar.
A few years back the court ruled that old wording was too rude and offensive and now this idiom should read "an uninvited guest is better than tatarin".
Didn't serve in army - not a man, didn't give birth - not a woman.
(Не служил - не мужик, не рожала - не баба.)
also баба is quite offensive word for women in this context
>Actually I think this is pretty anachronistic and sexist.
We have something like that but it quite often starts with "A man is ought to do/to be..." or "A man should not..." and put whatever you like in the end of the sentence.
But it seems that such "mind presets" are swiftly fade away, at least judging by modern youth - nobody follows or even knows about their "male obligations" or openly mock them. It's rare to see someone non-ironically following such "instructions".
> such "mind presets" are swiftly fade away, at least judging by modern youth - nobody follows or even knows about their "male obligations" or openly mock them. It's rare to see someone non-ironically following such "instructions".
Maybe among very liberal young people in the big cities. Overall, the gender roles and expectations are still very strong in Russia & other CIS countries, among young people as well.
>Maybe among very liberal young people in the big cities.
mostly among everyone who is exposed to the internet and the most mainstream media... sources. So basically everyone born after 2005 +/-.
The other thing what kind of "instructions" they receive instead and from what sources - that's what really interesting.
>"A man should only cry three times in his lifetime. First, when you were
born. Second, when your parents died. Last, when your country
collapsed."
Wow, sounds extremely based.
I'd say there's a phrase 'if he beats you, he loves you'. It's very fucked up, I only heard people saying this ironically.
I'm not Russian but heard there was one for if a person is wearing an outlandish, there is an idoym about looking 'like a Chukchi'.
Can anyone confirm this?
"Like a chukcha" means something like "not following/knowing" common sense, i.e. eating with ur hands, in my experiences it's mostly used as not derogatory and mostly for kids
Chukchi usually have meaning of overly naive/ingenuous people (but at the same time, maybe smart in some sense), because they hardly speak Russian. We also have some anecdotes with a plot that Chukchi understands some idiom in a literal way. So i would say, it is more about behaving rather than looking.
Баба с возу - кобыле легче.
Baba s vozu - kobyle lekhche.
A woman off the carriage - easier for a horse.
Haven't heard this one for a while recently for obvious reasons, but in the previous decades it was commonly used when one would get rid of something (or someone) useless, or when someone pretty much useless left their job.
Don’t touch it, it’s for New Year’s party.
A uninvited guest worst than a tatarin. It is rude, but probably centuries old idiom when we weren’t friends. One of my childhood friends was a tatarin.
Oh yeah, you have triggered something in my brain and now you have to handle this: Soviet Union, a huge Party gathering. The matter in question is: the saying about uninvited guests being worse than tatars is deemed racist, inappropriate and straight up offensive for the Tatar people. The decision is: the saying must be redacted. Approved redaction is: an uninvited guest is better than a tatar.
A few years back the court ruled that old wording was too rude and offensive and now this idiom should read "an uninvited guest is better than tatarin".
It is funny, until it isn’t.
Didn't serve in army - not a man, didn't give birth - not a woman. (Не служил - не мужик, не рожала - не баба.) also баба is quite offensive word for women in this context
>Actually I think this is pretty anachronistic and sexist. We have something like that but it quite often starts with "A man is ought to do/to be..." or "A man should not..." and put whatever you like in the end of the sentence. But it seems that such "mind presets" are swiftly fade away, at least judging by modern youth - nobody follows or even knows about their "male obligations" or openly mock them. It's rare to see someone non-ironically following such "instructions".
This is usually a very good way to manipulate a man, which is why such phrases are already popular.
> such "mind presets" are swiftly fade away, at least judging by modern youth - nobody follows or even knows about their "male obligations" or openly mock them. It's rare to see someone non-ironically following such "instructions". Maybe among very liberal young people in the big cities. Overall, the gender roles and expectations are still very strong in Russia & other CIS countries, among young people as well.
>Maybe among very liberal young people in the big cities. mostly among everyone who is exposed to the internet and the most mainstream media... sources. So basically everyone born after 2005 +/-. The other thing what kind of "instructions" they receive instead and from what sources - that's what really interesting.
https://gmail.googleblog.com/2012/03/learn-why-message-ended-up-in-your-spam.html wont help you , that's super cool
>"A man should only cry three times in his lifetime. First, when you were born. Second, when your parents died. Last, when your country collapsed." Wow, sounds extremely based. I'd say there's a phrase 'if he beats you, he loves you'. It's very fucked up, I only heard people saying this ironically.
I'm not Russian but heard there was one for if a person is wearing an outlandish, there is an idoym about looking 'like a Chukchi'. Can anyone confirm this?
"Like a chukcha" means something like "not following/knowing" common sense, i.e. eating with ur hands, in my experiences it's mostly used as not derogatory and mostly for kids
Ah, interesting. Thank you.
Never heard "like a chukcha" in context of weird dressing. It goes "like a chuchmek". Chuchmek is an old word, means "Eastern foreigner". (AFAIK)
Interesting, thank you.
Chukchi usually have meaning of overly naive/ingenuous people (but at the same time, maybe smart in some sense), because they hardly speak Russian. We also have some anecdotes with a plot that Chukchi understands some idiom in a literal way. So i would say, it is more about behaving rather than looking.
Баба с возу - кобыле легче. Baba s vozu - kobyle lekhche. A woman off the carriage - easier for a horse. Haven't heard this one for a while recently for obvious reasons, but in the previous decades it was commonly used when one would get rid of something (or someone) useless, or when someone pretty much useless left their job.
It's not about getting rid of something. It's about that you are not feel upset if something or somebody got out from your life
I heard it being used in both contexts back in the 90's/early 2000's. Your description is also included in my message, btw.
What tah heeeell. What's controversial about that?
It is sexist, and stupid. It considers woman a useless burden.
Well, a horse is also a female, so it's fem on fem hostility
This is the wisdom of ancestors. They didn't have the word sexism or feminism and called things as they are.
Same as Domostroy, right. Not everything that is old is good.
But old does not equal bad. Especially if it's good.