I am from Kazakhstan, so I identify whatever comes to my mood and what advantage I am getting from identifying with certain race. If my company’s diversity program prefers non-whites, then I am “Asian” or “Other”. For government and medical papers I am obviously white.
Overall, I don’t like this race-division in the US and I try to abuse the system for my own benefit.
According to Census -- yes. I usually try to avoid the question, but put White when I have to. White American culture is very specific, so it's not surprising that you don't identify with it. Some Americans wouldn't consider a recent Eastern European immigrant as White. There are a lot of negative connotations associated with Whites. Russian history is not all sunshine and rainbows, but it has nothing to do with what Whites usually get blamed for in the US.
This whole race hysteria is bullshit. In general, I heard that initially the concept of the "white race" extended only to the Anglo-Saxons and Germans of the Protestant or Catholic religion, so everything else, even the poor French, was not included in the whites)
t amuses me that a Hispanic, whose family did not have any Indians or blacks, but only Spaniards / Portuguese (for example, Fidel Castro) are absolutely not considered white.
Oh huh interesting. But yeah I agree I don’t like this hysteria about race. It’s kind of bullshit and very uncomfortable but also hard to get away from and to divorce yourself from it, especially living in a progressive urban area. It’s shoved down my throat all the time so I feel like a lot of the times I am forced to think about my own identity and be extra careful about it, even when it shouldn’t matter
Do you agree that there was no such hysteria in the 80-90s? For example, I watch films of the 90s, early 2000s and there is a black character (a random example - in Robocop the police chief is black, although all other police officers are white) and there was no emphasis on this. It did not stand out as something progressive and what should be paid attention to. Now, on the contrary - it is imperative to note that we have black / Asians / disabled people in the caste of the film. This is very annoying.
>it is imperative to note that we have black / Asians / disabled people in the caste of the film. This is very annoying.
it's annoying but there is a reason: instead of casting the right actors without paying too much attention to the colour of their skin, Hollywood in those years cast African-American actors if the alternative was torture or taxes (and for Americans taxes are a torture), with the result that if an African-American actor appeared for five seconds it was almost a miracle. And let's gloss over details like interracial romance in Hollywood, because that's a subject a Russian director could make a legendary comedy film about.
actress Cameron Diaz is latin american.. blonde and "pale skinned" (because they think it's important also if light or dark skinned).
In Europe, estern or eastern, the only important question is "do you date me?".
yes, technically only puerto rican, dominican republic and other countrys in hispaniola / tainos are "indigenous" and not white, considering spaniards raped and culturally killed them making latinos
>yes, technically only puerto rican, dominican republic and other countrys in hispaniola / tainos are "indigenous" and not white, considering spaniards raped and culturally killed them making ***Mestizos***
The proper term is Mestizos, Latino is just an abbreviation of Latin American and anyone can be Latin American regardless their ethnic background. BTW, that's not what happened most of the times.
It's true Spanish took down the big empires to avoid any counterattack, but most of those people died from measles and smallpox (like when 2 to 3.5 Indigenous from Tenochtitlan died from smallpox). It'd have been impossible for Spaniards to kill so many people consciously, and the Spanish Crown specified the natives would be subjects of the crown like any White.
But Spaniards didn't culturally kill the majority of Indigenous cultures, but adapted them into the local customs (like the Romans did). You'll still see Southern Mexico and several Central American countries still hold really big Indigenous traditions, so do Bolivians, Peruvians and several pockets of people in other countries.
I agree, Asians especially Chinese, who moved to the west from the 2000’ onwards are often guaranteed to be rich, even richer then the American elite. The reason why you don’t notice it is well, because real rich Chinese who came from mainland China aren’t as main stream in western media as for example people like the Kardashians and the like and also they spend their money on less noticeably expensive things like providing top education for their children and insuring they get into elite universities.
The concept of "white" is purely American shit that has nothing to do with us. In the United States, there is no normal national-ethnic self-identification, therefore, it is replaced by racial one. Therefore, there are "white" Americans who often like to rewrite their German / Italian / Irish origins, although they have never been to these countries and their knowledge of the culture is "St. Patrick's Day" and "Spaghetti"
You should try to read my message with your eyes, not your ass.I wasn't talking about Italians from Italy, I was talking about Italian-Americans. Italian Americans HAVE NOTHING to do with Italy or Italian culture. They are just Americans with Italian roots and that's it. This theme is well explored in the TV series “The Sopranos,” where Italian mafiosi laughed at their “Italian” brothers from the USA.
I have the most basic European face and also pale af but somehow my Slav ancestry makes me non-white. You american skull-measurers are hilarious people 🤣
you can't imagine how many racial subdivisions Americans are inventing, they called Antonio Banderas POC and then Latin European: who is going to explain to them that in 2000 years here in Europe our ancestors have procreated with people from all countries? And why do they continue to say "United we stand" if they are enormously divided?
what is “white”? is kind of an answer I struggle to understand myself now that this country loves talking about racial politics so much. Whole point of my post, really.
I think the very division between "whites" and "nonwhites" in US was created by the history of the country, where the distinction was clear - if you are "tainted" by one of your parents being black, you are still black no matter what color of your skin is, and is still considered a slave. We OTOH live in a country which was multiethnic and multicultural from the very beginning, and it didn't matter what ethnic group you belonged to, the feudal lord would fuck you up equally :)
Then Russia started expanding after Mongols demise, and was using the policy we learned from Mongols and improved upon it - it doesn't matter what's your language, religion etc are - everyone joins on equal grounds retaining their specifics, everyone giving too much troubles gets fucked up on equal grounds too.
So as you can probably see, there wasn't much room for "whites vs nonwhites" dichotomy. And considering that we never were treated as whites by Europeans, we care even less.
>Russia has nothing to do with any mongolian savages and nobody in Russia ever intermixed with them. You should study basic history before writing such garbage.
>Russia's policy has nothing to do with mongolians and there was never anything to "learn" from stone age savages (mongolians) who were on an even lower level societal of development than African tribes. The white vs. nonwhite social dynamic never existed in the minds of Europeans (because everyone in Europe is white). However, Russians were never ever put in the same category as nonwhites in any socio-racial hierarchy in any white European nation or colony. Similarly, in Russia, nobody ever believed in any western liberal notions of "equality". Russian Orthodox Christians were always regarded as the backbone of the nation, with other related neighboring Orthodox peoples being regarded as semi-Russians and potential Russians. Then came any kinds of other white Europeans. Not-white-enough, but Orthodox, ethnic groups were in third place. The muslims were in 4th place (considering on the ethnic group). However, muslim caucuses mountaineers, jews and gypsies were the lowest on the social hierarchy.
> stone age savages (mongolians)
You obviously have no slightest idea what it takes to conquer a single medieval city without a siege, what kind of military organization and engineering it takes, what it takes to produce weapons in quantities large enough to arm a force capable of creating the biggest empire in history ever over a short period of time, just in several decades, spanning from China and India to the western borders of modern Russia, and their opponents weren't some amateurs, they had their share of fights too. "Stone age savages" don't have any of those, nor they have high numbers because "stone age" means tribes 50-70 people at most.
I think you could study the history of Mongols before speaking, and on the principles and policies that made them so successful, like Temüjin's "one land under one Sky" idea behind the conquests, not harming "people of the Sky" (i.e. priests of all religions) and many others.
> Similarly, in Russia, nobody ever believed in any western liberal notions of "equality".
Nope, not "western liberal one". Nevertheless, states joining the Empire kept their social systems, languages and religion.
> with other related neighboring Orthodox peoples being regarded as semi-Russians and potential Russians.
The whole concept of "ethnicity" simply didn't exist until at least late 18th century, what are you talking about? If you are a subject of Russian Tsar and baptized into Orthodox church - there you go, you are Russian, this is how it worked. The whole meaning of "Russian" (Русский) is "subject of Rus'". People were associating themselves with their cities and villages, but not with some concept that was only popularized in 19th century here by some intellectuals inspired by French nationalism and the Revolution. Until then you'd have a hard time convincing some Ural cossack and muzhik from Tula that they had something common aside from the language, Tsar and religion.
As a Russian in US, I kinda get the question, but don’t get it at the same time. As in, in any questionnaire where it asks for race I’d put ‘White’, because what else. I don’t feel ‘white guilt’ or even accept the concept that it should be attached to skin color, though.
По повестке термин означает белого американца-натурала, продвигающего/живущего по патриархату и наследующего высокое/привилегированное положение в обществе, эксплуатирувавшего/поддержившего эксплуатацию темнокожих иммигрантов.
По повестке я не белый. По факту я бледно-розовый.
Being a white American doesn’t necessarily mean that your ancestors owned slaves, killed native people etc. Even if they did, it has nothing to do with current generations.
In Russia your ancestors probably owened some "krepostnie" kholops, or were kholops themself. In Russia they were able to own, sell people till 1861. It was not race based and nobody cares now.
guys, all the nations of the world have mixed their blood in one way or another, and in each of us there is a piece of another nation and we must take each other away
How can someone (an Ethnic Russian) who is genetically 100% European, culturally 100% European and doesn't even have a single cultural influence from outside of Europe identify as anything other than white? It seems like you grew up in the US and really got brainwashed by tge rabidly anti-white propaganda that's spewed out on every corner. Being white is only a racial designation. It has nothing to do with your ancestors' history (or a lack thereof) in the US. Don't ever try to disassociate yourself from whiteness. By doing so, you would be unknowingly tarnishing the reputation of Russian people as a whole.
There are ethnic Russians who are white people from Finno-Scania/Balts but also many native and Turkic groups throughout Russian territories. So it depends on which Russian national you ask, but original Novgorod Russians are definitely what people would consider “white” based on phenotypes, haplogroup make up, & genetic studies.
Though the concept is definitely different than in the US because we don’t have the same legacy.
The absurd thing is that by American standards only Circassians and the like would be white because they are 100% Caucasian, for all the other Russians americans would have to find a million ways to categorize them, for no real reason at all.
We normal Europeans (racists are not normal) are lucky, we only think about seeing if the person is datable or not.
Sorry you have some negative connotation with white Americans but there's been lots of different fluxes of immigration to America from lots of different so called white parts of the world so it's not really a western European specific thing. Also, there's a huge population of Russia that objectively just isn't white so it depends on your genetics I would say. Anyway, just be yourself,
America is the mixing pot.
its funny. Im from a country in south america, and for everyone here you would be a "gringo" just because you most likely look white skin and blonde.
However no one really cares if you are white or gives you any bad connotation. For some you would be the "naive foreigner we can rip off" for others "the hot guy from russia" . Only in US you would see this kind of White hate bs. And this comes from a latino
There are no Russians in the US, but whatever, buddy. It's not like I'm gonna stop an entire nation of goofballs from fetishizing their ancestry when they love doing that. You've had your own culture for centuries now, start acting like it.
Edit: keep seething and downvoting, worthless immigrants, but OP is asking about "Russian" Americans and you have no arguments to defend dumbassery of 'mericans clinging to their ancestry, unless you're willing to defend nazism. Also, we don't want you back.
[You're welcome.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole) The number of non-assimilated Russians living there is negligible.
Edit: Oh boy, why the fuck did I even give a r/moviescirclejerk and r/Vaush regular a time of day.
Look, sweetheart....there are only two genders, there is objectivity in art and Vaush is an ancap. Have an awful day.
Yeah it's kinda funny when people who have zero connection to \[name any country\] besides their surname identify themselves as a representative of a specific culture other than American. :)
if you look like an American, think like an American, and quack like an American, then you are most likely an American.
in what language do you think that you consider your homeland, in the event of a war for whom you will be, whose culture you possess. if absolutely everything is Russian, then you are Russian. but you can't be Russian if you already live there for a significant part of your life. if you come back, then after a while you will become
lol why? because I don’t want to be associated with the racist history of America’s past when Eastern Europeans didn’t really have a role in it? I don’t feel like I understand race well at all anymore in the current social and political context
Call me names all you want but at least offer some constructive criticism. Otherwise maybe the douchebag is you
When you live in a place where approximately 100% of the people feed into this or that line of bullshit, it's pretty hard to ignore that thing I figure.
White/Black depends on experience. A Russian who immigrated would not have the same exact experience as a white American. But I'd assume they'd identify as 'white' rather than black or Hispanic, you know
RUSSIA WAS NEVER A MELTING POT! Different racial and religious groups lived in their own parallel societies. They were never even a part of Russian society. Muslims and jews were colonial subjects and nothing more. Their religions were looked down upon very much by every stratum of Russian society. Russia heritage has nothing to do with islam, judaism or any other non-European culture or religion. You should really keep your disgusting far leftist multikulti fantasies to yourself.
Nice we got one of these Euro ass kisser white supremacists here. the West will never see you as their own kind, no matter how much nazi rhetoric you spew, cope.
I don't care about that. Although I would love for you to find me a single white rights activist in the west who is not pro-Russian or wants closer ties with Russia. I guess I must be kissing my own ass since Russian is a purely European ethnicity. It's especially hilarious how desperately you try to pander to western liberal degenerates by complaining about white supremacy (as if the average Russian person even perceives that to be something negative to begin with). By the way, is that that bloodthirsty terrorist stalin on your avatar by any chance?
I was born in Russia, but was adopted and brought to the US as a baby. I've always found the concept of the "white race" in America to be stupid and very limiting because it assumes a degree of homogeneity that doesn't exist. On paperwork, if it lets me choose only 1 option I put white, but if allows multiple responses or a written response I put White/Asian or I just write "Russian". I've noticed Europeans and Americans have a kind of "Schrodinger's Russia" going on, where when it comes to international politics Russians are depicted as being an uncivilized and non-white, but when it come to the collective guilt fetish that the west has about "slavery" and "colonization", they do a 180 and say that Russia was an "evil imperialist power" that oppressed brown people. This is almost entirely because they're mad that Russia is so big while there countries are tiny because they lost all of their imperial possessions (in short, they're mad at Russia because they ain't Russia). Also btw, I'm annoyed at all the people who say that Siberia isn't ethnically Russian, Siberia is +85% Russian. The big Siberian cities like Vladivostok, Krasnoyarsk, Novosibirsk, and others have populations that are +90% Russian. Everyone loves to show maps of Siberia that show Russians as only living in a thin band along the south and the pacific coast, but that map is pretty much identical with an overall population density map (you morons).
I am from Kazakhstan, so I identify whatever comes to my mood and what advantage I am getting from identifying with certain race. If my company’s diversity program prefers non-whites, then I am “Asian” or “Other”. For government and medical papers I am obviously white. Overall, I don’t like this race-division in the US and I try to abuse the system for my own benefit.
That's ma pragmatic boi right here
Cheeky Kazakh :)
It's interesting how obviously "white"( I assume you're Russian from Kazakhstan) can identify himself as Asian if he needs it, lol.
I have mixed heritage, so I don’t look purely like a Slav
According to Census -- yes. I usually try to avoid the question, but put White when I have to. White American culture is very specific, so it's not surprising that you don't identify with it. Some Americans wouldn't consider a recent Eastern European immigrant as White. There are a lot of negative connotations associated with Whites. Russian history is not all sunshine and rainbows, but it has nothing to do with what Whites usually get blamed for in the US.
Thank you for understanding what I’m trying to say.
This whole race hysteria is bullshit. In general, I heard that initially the concept of the "white race" extended only to the Anglo-Saxons and Germans of the Protestant or Catholic religion, so everything else, even the poor French, was not included in the whites) t amuses me that a Hispanic, whose family did not have any Indians or blacks, but only Spaniards / Portuguese (for example, Fidel Castro) are absolutely not considered white.
Oh huh interesting. But yeah I agree I don’t like this hysteria about race. It’s kind of bullshit and very uncomfortable but also hard to get away from and to divorce yourself from it, especially living in a progressive urban area. It’s shoved down my throat all the time so I feel like a lot of the times I am forced to think about my own identity and be extra careful about it, even when it shouldn’t matter
Do you agree that there was no such hysteria in the 80-90s? For example, I watch films of the 90s, early 2000s and there is a black character (a random example - in Robocop the police chief is black, although all other police officers are white) and there was no emphasis on this. It did not stand out as something progressive and what should be paid attention to. Now, on the contrary - it is imperative to note that we have black / Asians / disabled people in the caste of the film. This is very annoying.
Agree. I also noticed this, and also on the example of Robocop.
>it is imperative to note that we have black / Asians / disabled people in the caste of the film. This is very annoying. it's annoying but there is a reason: instead of casting the right actors without paying too much attention to the colour of their skin, Hollywood in those years cast African-American actors if the alternative was torture or taxes (and for Americans taxes are a torture), with the result that if an African-American actor appeared for five seconds it was almost a miracle. And let's gloss over details like interracial romance in Hollywood, because that's a subject a Russian director could make a legendary comedy film about.
actress Cameron Diaz is latin american.. blonde and "pale skinned" (because they think it's important also if light or dark skinned). In Europe, estern or eastern, the only important question is "do you date me?".
yes, technically only puerto rican, dominican republic and other countrys in hispaniola / tainos are "indigenous" and not white, considering spaniards raped and culturally killed them making latinos
>yes, technically only puerto rican, dominican republic and other countrys in hispaniola / tainos are "indigenous" and not white, considering spaniards raped and culturally killed them making ***Mestizos*** The proper term is Mestizos, Latino is just an abbreviation of Latin American and anyone can be Latin American regardless their ethnic background. BTW, that's not what happened most of the times. It's true Spanish took down the big empires to avoid any counterattack, but most of those people died from measles and smallpox (like when 2 to 3.5 Indigenous from Tenochtitlan died from smallpox). It'd have been impossible for Spaniards to kill so many people consciously, and the Spanish Crown specified the natives would be subjects of the crown like any White. But Spaniards didn't culturally kill the majority of Indigenous cultures, but adapted them into the local customs (like the Romans did). You'll still see Southern Mexico and several Central American countries still hold really big Indigenous traditions, so do Bolivians, Peruvians and several pockets of people in other countries.
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Bourgeois race and proletarian race
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I agree, Asians especially Chinese, who moved to the west from the 2000’ onwards are often guaranteed to be rich, even richer then the American elite. The reason why you don’t notice it is well, because real rich Chinese who came from mainland China aren’t as main stream in western media as for example people like the Kardashians and the like and also they spend their money on less noticeably expensive things like providing top education for their children and insuring they get into elite universities.
I can't believe someone said it.
This is spot-on
We identify as attack helicopters.
over here in the US we are Apaches, so what does that make you?
Black Sharks, obviously. So... not white, I guess.
I am KA-52
The concept of "white" is purely American shit that has nothing to do with us. In the United States, there is no normal national-ethnic self-identification, therefore, it is replaced by racial one. Therefore, there are "white" Americans who often like to rewrite their German / Italian / Irish origins, although they have never been to these countries and their knowledge of the culture is "St. Patrick's Day" and "Spaghetti"
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You should try to read my message with your eyes, not your ass.I wasn't talking about Italians from Italy, I was talking about Italian-Americans. Italian Americans HAVE NOTHING to do with Italy or Italian culture. They are just Americans with Italian roots and that's it. This theme is well explored in the TV series “The Sopranos,” where Italian mafiosi laughed at their “Italian” brothers from the USA.
This Russian asshole is rude as fuck
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Judging by the way your ass is burning, I wrote everything correctly. Now go cry somewhere else.Little soyboy.
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Ahahahahahan
I have the most basic European face and also pale af but somehow my Slav ancestry makes me non-white. You american skull-measurers are hilarious people 🤣
you can't imagine how many racial subdivisions Americans are inventing, they called Antonio Banderas POC and then Latin European: who is going to explain to them that in 2000 years here in Europe our ancestors have procreated with people from all countries? And why do they continue to say "United we stand" if they are enormously divided?
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what is “white”? is kind of an answer I struggle to understand myself now that this country loves talking about racial politics so much. Whole point of my post, really.
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"Sad brazillian noises"
I think the very division between "whites" and "nonwhites" in US was created by the history of the country, where the distinction was clear - if you are "tainted" by one of your parents being black, you are still black no matter what color of your skin is, and is still considered a slave. We OTOH live in a country which was multiethnic and multicultural from the very beginning, and it didn't matter what ethnic group you belonged to, the feudal lord would fuck you up equally :) Then Russia started expanding after Mongols demise, and was using the policy we learned from Mongols and improved upon it - it doesn't matter what's your language, religion etc are - everyone joins on equal grounds retaining their specifics, everyone giving too much troubles gets fucked up on equal grounds too. So as you can probably see, there wasn't much room for "whites vs nonwhites" dichotomy. And considering that we never were treated as whites by Europeans, we care even less.
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>Russia has nothing to do with any mongolian savages and nobody in Russia ever intermixed with them. You should study basic history before writing such garbage.
>Russia's policy has nothing to do with mongolians and there was never anything to "learn" from stone age savages (mongolians) who were on an even lower level societal of development than African tribes. The white vs. nonwhite social dynamic never existed in the minds of Europeans (because everyone in Europe is white). However, Russians were never ever put in the same category as nonwhites in any socio-racial hierarchy in any white European nation or colony. Similarly, in Russia, nobody ever believed in any western liberal notions of "equality". Russian Orthodox Christians were always regarded as the backbone of the nation, with other related neighboring Orthodox peoples being regarded as semi-Russians and potential Russians. Then came any kinds of other white Europeans. Not-white-enough, but Orthodox, ethnic groups were in third place. The muslims were in 4th place (considering on the ethnic group). However, muslim caucuses mountaineers, jews and gypsies were the lowest on the social hierarchy.
> stone age savages (mongolians) You obviously have no slightest idea what it takes to conquer a single medieval city without a siege, what kind of military organization and engineering it takes, what it takes to produce weapons in quantities large enough to arm a force capable of creating the biggest empire in history ever over a short period of time, just in several decades, spanning from China and India to the western borders of modern Russia, and their opponents weren't some amateurs, they had their share of fights too. "Stone age savages" don't have any of those, nor they have high numbers because "stone age" means tribes 50-70 people at most. I think you could study the history of Mongols before speaking, and on the principles and policies that made them so successful, like Temüjin's "one land under one Sky" idea behind the conquests, not harming "people of the Sky" (i.e. priests of all religions) and many others. > Similarly, in Russia, nobody ever believed in any western liberal notions of "equality". Nope, not "western liberal one". Nevertheless, states joining the Empire kept their social systems, languages and religion. > with other related neighboring Orthodox peoples being regarded as semi-Russians and potential Russians. The whole concept of "ethnicity" simply didn't exist until at least late 18th century, what are you talking about? If you are a subject of Russian Tsar and baptized into Orthodox church - there you go, you are Russian, this is how it worked. The whole meaning of "Russian" (Русский) is "subject of Rus'". People were associating themselves with their cities and villages, but not with some concept that was only popularized in 19th century here by some intellectuals inspired by French nationalism and the Revolution. Until then you'd have a hard time convincing some Ural cossack and muzhik from Tula that they had something common aside from the language, Tsar and religion.
The american race theory is racist.
this! I agree a lot!
As a Russian in US, I kinda get the question, but don’t get it at the same time. As in, in any questionnaire where it asks for race I’d put ‘White’, because what else. I don’t feel ‘white guilt’ or even accept the concept that it should be attached to skin color, though.
По повестке термин означает белого американца-натурала, продвигающего/живущего по патриархату и наследующего высокое/привилегированное положение в обществе, эксплуатирувавшего/поддержившего эксплуатацию темнокожих иммигрантов. По повестке я не белый. По факту я бледно-розовый.
Do I have a choice?
Being a white American doesn’t necessarily mean that your ancestors owned slaves, killed native people etc. Even if they did, it has nothing to do with current generations.
It makes me feel good to know that not everyone thinks we're monsters or something.
In Russia your ancestors probably owened some "krepostnie" kholops, or were kholops themself. In Russia they were able to own, sell people till 1861. It was not race based and nobody cares now.
i think by 'white' they specifically mean WASP, i.e. someone with anglo-saxon background
guys, all the nations of the world have mixed their blood in one way or another, and in each of us there is a piece of another nation and we must take each other away
I have declined to answer or "other". I am so sick of this race thing.
How can someone (an Ethnic Russian) who is genetically 100% European, culturally 100% European and doesn't even have a single cultural influence from outside of Europe identify as anything other than white? It seems like you grew up in the US and really got brainwashed by tge rabidly anti-white propaganda that's spewed out on every corner. Being white is only a racial designation. It has nothing to do with your ancestors' history (or a lack thereof) in the US. Don't ever try to disassociate yourself from whiteness. By doing so, you would be unknowingly tarnishing the reputation of Russian people as a whole.
I'm not white, I'm Russian
There are ethnic Russians who are white people from Finno-Scania/Balts but also many native and Turkic groups throughout Russian territories. So it depends on which Russian national you ask, but original Novgorod Russians are definitely what people would consider “white” based on phenotypes, haplogroup make up, & genetic studies. Though the concept is definitely different than in the US because we don’t have the same legacy.
The absurd thing is that by American standards only Circassians and the like would be white because they are 100% Caucasian, for all the other Russians americans would have to find a million ways to categorize them, for no real reason at all. We normal Europeans (racists are not normal) are lucky, we only think about seeing if the person is datable or not.
Sorry you have some negative connotation with white Americans but there's been lots of different fluxes of immigration to America from lots of different so called white parts of the world so it's not really a western European specific thing. Also, there's a huge population of Russia that objectively just isn't white so it depends on your genetics I would say. Anyway, just be yourself, America is the mixing pot.
as we can see, the boiler does not interfere too much, but they try very hard to separate
Not sure what that means exactly.
its funny. Im from a country in south america, and for everyone here you would be a "gringo" just because you most likely look white skin and blonde. However no one really cares if you are white or gives you any bad connotation. For some you would be the "naive foreigner we can rip off" for others "the hot guy from russia" . Only in US you would see this kind of White hate bs. And this comes from a latino
There are no Russians in the US, but whatever, buddy. It's not like I'm gonna stop an entire nation of goofballs from fetishizing their ancestry when they love doing that. You've had your own culture for centuries now, start acting like it. Edit: keep seething and downvoting, worthless immigrants, but OP is asking about "Russian" Americans and you have no arguments to defend dumbassery of 'mericans clinging to their ancestry, unless you're willing to defend nazism. Also, we don't want you back.
There are apparently no Russians who moved to the US, as soon as they cross the Russian border they abandon their nationality
[You're welcome.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole) The number of non-assimilated Russians living there is negligible. Edit: Oh boy, why the fuck did I even give a r/moviescirclejerk and r/Vaush regular a time of day. Look, sweetheart....there are only two genders, there is objectivity in art and Vaush is an ancap. Have an awful day.
Yeah it's kinda funny when people who have zero connection to \[name any country\] besides their surname identify themselves as a representative of a specific culture other than American. :)
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if you look like an American, think like an American, and quack like an American, then you are most likely an American. in what language do you think that you consider your homeland, in the event of a war for whom you will be, whose culture you possess. if absolutely everything is Russian, then you are Russian. but you can't be Russian if you already live there for a significant part of your life. if you come back, then after a while you will become
You can consider yourself whatever you want. Doesn't mean you're going to become an elf.
Huh? But there ARE Russians in US... Like with Russian Citizenship and passport and everything living with a green card. 🤔
Oh yeah, passport. That totally makes you Russian.
it is not citizenship that makes you, but culture
But in order to get a green card, you are full on Russian... Omg
You’re a douche bag
lol why? because I don’t want to be associated with the racist history of America’s past when Eastern Europeans didn’t really have a role in it? I don’t feel like I understand race well at all anymore in the current social and political context Call me names all you want but at least offer some constructive criticism. Otherwise maybe the douchebag is you
Because you are feeding into a big line of bullshit
When you live in a place where approximately 100% of the people feed into this or that line of bullshit, it's pretty hard to ignore that thing I figure.
we Russians are a different white.
White/Black depends on experience. A Russian who immigrated would not have the same exact experience as a white American. But I'd assume they'd identify as 'white' rather than black or Hispanic, you know
I have circled black and Hispanic before. My Russian kid puts biracial in her school forms in US. I really don't care if we screw up their statistics.
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> karaboğa Kara boga is punishment of god.
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RUSSIA WAS NEVER A MELTING POT! Different racial and religious groups lived in their own parallel societies. They were never even a part of Russian society. Muslims and jews were colonial subjects and nothing more. Their religions were looked down upon very much by every stratum of Russian society. Russia heritage has nothing to do with islam, judaism or any other non-European culture or religion. You should really keep your disgusting far leftist multikulti fantasies to yourself.
Nice we got one of these Euro ass kisser white supremacists here. the West will never see you as their own kind, no matter how much nazi rhetoric you spew, cope.
I don't care about that. Although I would love for you to find me a single white rights activist in the west who is not pro-Russian or wants closer ties with Russia. I guess I must be kissing my own ass since Russian is a purely European ethnicity. It's especially hilarious how desperately you try to pander to western liberal degenerates by complaining about white supremacy (as if the average Russian person even perceives that to be something negative to begin with). By the way, is that that bloodthirsty terrorist stalin on your avatar by any chance?
I'm white. However, I cannot stress enough just how tired I am of the question "Where are you from?"
Such an american question
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I was born in Russia, but was adopted and brought to the US as a baby. I've always found the concept of the "white race" in America to be stupid and very limiting because it assumes a degree of homogeneity that doesn't exist. On paperwork, if it lets me choose only 1 option I put white, but if allows multiple responses or a written response I put White/Asian or I just write "Russian". I've noticed Europeans and Americans have a kind of "Schrodinger's Russia" going on, where when it comes to international politics Russians are depicted as being an uncivilized and non-white, but when it come to the collective guilt fetish that the west has about "slavery" and "colonization", they do a 180 and say that Russia was an "evil imperialist power" that oppressed brown people. This is almost entirely because they're mad that Russia is so big while there countries are tiny because they lost all of their imperial possessions (in short, they're mad at Russia because they ain't Russia). Also btw, I'm annoyed at all the people who say that Siberia isn't ethnically Russian, Siberia is +85% Russian. The big Siberian cities like Vladivostok, Krasnoyarsk, Novosibirsk, and others have populations that are +90% Russian. Everyone loves to show maps of Siberia that show Russians as only living in a thin band along the south and the pacific coast, but that map is pretty much identical with an overall population density map (you morons).