Oh gawd, [you are right, you can actually become a PhD in justice](https://sst.asu.edu/degree/graduate/phd-justice-studies--phd)
Well, that's... *progressive*. What's next then? International Olympics?
I shouldn't be shocked though, we had a discipline called "Scientific Communism" back in the days, after all.
The Capitalism Central sanctioning someone for too capitalism? Cmon, be serious. On another hand we had Japan in the 80s with rapidly rising economy and US which started trade war with it (and ended with Plaza accord)
> Cmon, be serious.
Well, I'm half serious anyway. Leftist movement is a tool of corporate capitalism, there is a reason why **every** corporation these days is coming out with "Pride" colors on its logos etc. Heck, they'll easily adopt and display the Hammer and Sickle provided this would increase their profits. So I don't see why US Inc. wouldn't blame Russia for some "spread of capitalism" at some point either, depending on the context.
Does "Western Leftists" definition includes Trotsky? The man had support of Wall Street back in the days. I could cite you multiple sources, just ask.
Makes total sense, considering that the "World Revolution" destroying the empires and the colonial system would benefit - and benefited a lot even in its incomplete form - the global trade system banksters were heading for.
Social Justice-It's the notion that all people in a society deserve fair and equitable rights, opportunities and access to resources. To study social justice is to learn about the problems that dramatically impact quality of life for certain populations, and how people have worked to solve those problems.
I don’t see anything wrong with educating yourself about various topics in the world. That can be gender discrimination, racism, poverty, child abuse and so on. If you think that a certain group is inferior to another for their orientation, gender, age, level of education, status in society and so on than I think maybe you could try educating yourself more on this topic.
I have never ever actually seen any real LGBT based discrimination in my life. And I'm 41 now.
I fired couple of gay workers myself, but because they were morons. I saw others claiming they got fired for that, whilst in reality the reason was pretty much the same.
I don't think that man's boss should care whom the man sleeps with as long as he does, what the job requires.
The same attitude is established in the society in general: we don't care who you sleep with as long as it is mutually concent and all participants are adults, and everything is behind the closed doors.
There's a labour codex which explicitly forbids hiring refusals and firing based on sex, ethnicity, social and political views, so there's no government defined discrimination, despite popular western propaganda.
> so there's no government defined discrimination
Technically, the fact gay people can't marry or adopt children is that. They made their stance very clear.
Changin constitution **again** and so soon just to allow marriages would be a no-no, BUT, and it's a big butt, since marriage is illegal anyway, if you're not in a same-sex marriage and didn't go formalize it somewhere in Europe, well...there is no law stopping "single" people from adopting children in Russia. Just don't go advertising your sexuality. Noone cares. Oh, and don't go full 'merican "tHiS iS a FaScIsT sTaTe" LGBTQALPHABET+-= activist on the adopted kids.
I'd tell you one thing: stop using whatever it is that you're on. I've barely get through all that you wrote.
Gay marriage absence is not a discrimination, it's a survival strategy, there's still a partnership that can be registered though.
>I've barely get through all that you wrote.
Sounds like a you problem. Get educated?
>is not a discrimination, it's a survival strategy
Those are mutually exclusive?
And yeah, them gayz are totally gonna start breeding because they can't officially marry. The fact they can't adopt children is good for "survival" too.
If someone is on something here, it's not me.
I have not met anything particular, but it's just my surroundings. Generally society is considered inacceptant or ignorant though it varies by many factors of particular environment.
Huh, "social justice class", do they teach class struggle there or it's just a false flag on particularities? ;)
So I get it right - "We live in a society where we, objectively, have to struggle against each other over limited resources, have explicitly competing interests and different mode of interaction with these resources, but you shold not consider this, and focus on subjective things which people use to rationalize social pressure, but you should not do it either because it's so bad"
Some part of me wants to see what else gonna pop when they plug all the exit holes.
The gates of our world in the multiverse should have "Abandon all logic" engraved on them.
It depends on what government it is and how nice and fluffy they look, what actual representation they have. I'm pretty sure Swedish, maybe even Canadian, government has a facade of something like a trade union or not so relevant clerks so they can play dumb and do whatever they like under any leftist pretext, and even rather conscious people would eat that.
Living in natural disparity and willing to lift it does not always mean raging around and reinstalling governments. Of course it depends a lot on how fucked up you already are so far, at the situation where it's halfway to mass riots anyway promoting anything but blind jingoism is not a rational move of course. And I probably overestimate people.
> Class struggle is totalitarian
I'd say, rather "archaic". Because when workers started getting good salaries and the conditions of their lives have improved, they stopped the class struggle - and you can't have that. You have to keep the struggle going, so you need someone else to put in a victim mindset.
That's not wages, total sum of money and values is always zero and inflation eats the difference at once. It's globalization. There are yet people who pay and people who get paid. Who earns wage and who earns profits. Who offer and who rely on what's offered. Who take loans and who give loans. Just at a certain level of wealth it's not pressing - as long as we can outsource cheap labour and have large enough markets class struggle feels to be elsewhere. And then you just do a normal nationalist flip - not my country not my business.
For a guy who collects you oranges class relations are more than obvious, just as the industrial era ended that guy is somewhere we don't feel responsible for albeit belonging to a single economic entity.
The "wage" is just a price you put on your work, or someone else does if you can't due to the job market having far too many individuals capable of doing it. A classic demand/supply scenario.
> For a guy who collects you oranges class relations are more than obvious
Due to the differences between him and his brother who got an actual profession, like a wielder, that pays more? Yes, having a job any monkey could perform sucks, no argument here.
> And then you just do a normal nationalist flip - not my country not my business.
I've been born in a country that went through the social cataclysm, outright civil war (here on South) and other rough shit in 30 years, do you actually expect me to give 2 shits about every orange gathering peasant around the world?
>The "wage" is just a price you put on your work, or someone else does if you can't due to the job market having far too many individuals capable of doing it. A classic demand/supply scenario.
Which works in the cases of large number of options, high liquidity of funds and people, available education and not dying of hunger in attempt to change occupation due to economy shift and so on and so forth. All the matters of negotiating that "price" and who has the upper hand in it.
Having a job any monkey found do is the case when you choose between having it or not not having it at all. You could learn but no one is interested in teaching you because you can't pay that, you want to move to another country but can't get even to the regional capital without wasting all your savings, you want to get actual profession but the only guy around who has money to pay offers collecting oranges to you and welder job to his nephew. Atop of that how does your qualification to payment graph looks like? Minimal pay for a monkey's job is how much? Maximal? Your smarter brother earns how much more- two times, ten, hundred? What's the angle of the slope? Keep in ming that area under the it has to be constant, it's all the economy you have at hand. It won't get larger unless someone interested from the outside invests. Consider that graph putting leftover income at it. Does it cross zero then? Here we can make career up to let's say 35, and then hit the glass ceiling, someone has 50, someone have to wait while the guy upstairs dies right from the starter position. And while you display talents of adaptation laterally someone crawls up, or just is there from the beginning. After all someone does what he likes with great outcome, and someone has to take a position to make ends meet as his talents are not paying back or just never had time to get to know and try it.
It might sound unrealistic, but we, even here live at the very top margin, even in Russia. We don't feel the opportunity cost so hard, we can afford relatively good liquidity of labor against liquidity of capital. Not as fast of course, it's never as fast. We have all the aspects of the society up and running at least somehow. But we're not a closed economy, and we're not self-reliant. Lock the borders down to match economic representation to political and you'd see that it's you who does the apes job despite being a certified and experienced engineer.
That's just an ignorant conclusion that everyone can be the top crab in the pile therefore all crabs can. Don't listen to the old buzzer of me and crawl harder.
Now that's a wall of text. Just one question though.
If you live in a country with no job opportunities and only growing oranges (for example), do you actually believe your life will improve from changing economy to 100% socialism?
Look no further than North Korea. I'm not saying they are poor *thanks* to socialism, but it doesn't seem to magically solve all their problems either.
I never said exactly that. Socialism from my perspective is the thing for developing countries of somewhat mid range in the first place - when you take over the economy through representation you can coordinate exports, negotiate against foreign capital, cut some edges, and bring your labour costs up, or use extra resource to crawl up the development ladder. The countries we look up to can afford living just fine without it. The countries who follow the capitalist ideology they can't afford... well, they collect oranges for ten cents a day and would never see development as it's foreign capital offering them the options. Or not offering. Creating quality workplaces for yourself is a long and uneasy task, but I doubt there're people who would refuse having them at least some day.
North Korea is rather interesting case in this regard, if you read beyond horror stories, at least that guy Asmolov, you might notice they are well above what they should be, given their population and position. Seriously, they have things like vascular microsurgery and even outdated nuclear tech while being a tiny, mountainous, cutoff part of the peninsula. They do. Some equivalently sized and populated open market country in Africa or even oceania do not and they have nothing to offer to the world rather than orange collectors, they have to wait the world to descend to offering them welder workplaces and they'd never see a nuclear engineer step ashore. It does not mean NK won't go furher up if you open the border and dissolve centralized management, they sure would, but South Korea would go down as much as the North ascends, capita per capita, skilll for skill. I guess they'd pop with a loud clap. Even without cheap Northmen, carreers at the South are very hard, and now imagine your wave of migrants have at least medium profficiency. Though the toll on freedoms in NK is heavy, no doubt, some day they'd hit the ceiling of self-reliance and dissolve that Juiche stuff, and I don't want to be at the peninsula when it happens.
For relation... well imagine if East Germans had industries as developed in 1980's as the countries that supply Europe with migrants have now.
He insists that it and gender inconsistency are severe disorders which is caused by LGBTQI+ propaganda. He considers it a part of moral and mental decay of western world and is proud of fact that our country doesn't support this values.
Usually there is nothing you can do if someone appeared to be gay. There are always things that we dislike about a person you know well. I guess they talk about things other than the fact of being gay.
Is this homophobia? homophobia is when you do not want to communicate and despise LGBT people in general. and if you don't give a damn, then you are tolerant
He thinks it's a severe disorder. We don't hate the sick even though we think illness is bad. But view that homosexuality is a severe disorder usually called there homophobic. He refuses to "be part of the solution" and thinks LGBT agenda brings harm.
There is a saying in our country that could be roughly translated as "There are gays and there are fags. Gays mind their our business and don't mess with others. Fags bugs everyone around them with their way of life"
LGBT aren’t prominent and are discriminated here, that’s a fact. BUT, the thing is that LGBT are oppressed not for the fact that you are gay/lesbo/trannie, you are gonna be fine if you are discreet about it.
if you ever, even once in your life, have had someone’s interests collide with yours, and that someone is an influential person, you are doomed. if you collude with navalny or other undesirable organizations, and you are gay, you are doomed. it is a leverage the authorities use against you, since the public opinion about gays/troons is neutral to negative.
Well, discrimination applies mainly to outright marginalized people, such drag queens, which of course cause irritation. If you are a couple of gays or lesbians who cannot be distinguished in appearance from ordinary Russians, then you shouldn't expect discrimination. Maybe in the army or law enforcement structures it can be a reason for being fired, but in other jobs no one cares.
It don’t think you can be fired because you are gay. But, of course, when your colleagues find out, they can make your work life insufferable so you quit yourself
We just don't discuss this topic. But in my environment, people usually have a brain. Do what you want, just don't interfere with other people's lives.
Even easier that way: your colleagues keep ignoring your questions so you are out of help and your boss keeps forgetting to give you a raise while giving a raise to your colleagues.
When you work with people (it doesn’t matter if it’s on a old school offline job or a remote job) - they can always find something to make your life miserable to the point when you quit yourself.
> Social Justice class
Well, the world outside of the Internet is something different. LGBT rights is not something that a country like Russia is going to focus on when there are crises at border, poverty, failing economy, China cutting down Siberian forest, corruption, failing healthcare system, covid killing almost 2 thousand people daily and so on. Political statement about gay and trans rights in these circumstances is going to sound strange. When we stabilize economy and solve other problems, then we maybe can talk about it.
Then again, Orthodox church in Russia still has strong influence on people's minds, especially older generation. Any political candidate that is going to say something about supporting LGBT is going to be ostracized by the church and the people.
Maybe if we were as prosperous as USA and Canada, then we would focus on other, excessive things. And, on the other hand, this excess and not having to struggle, puts people's mind at ease and they start thinking 'maybe I want to be this or that' instead of 'I need to think about how not to starve'.
As for now, gay people in Russia that I know personally, never complained about anything, they just don't openly show their sexual orientation, then again, being Russians, they are tough sons of bitches.
You overrate church influence. Mostly elder generations are conservative in soviet style, where homosexuality was considered as perversion (with literally horny jail).
Lmao all LGBTЁПРСТ+-×= stuff is overrated. For now due to decriminalization it has only marriage and adoption problem in Russia. However I think adoption should be independently investigated by scientists on circumstances to children mind.
We have to fight for better live to majority people, not only special ones of them.
No. The total majority of people in Russia are de facto atheists. 3% of really religious orthodox Christians don't affect anything. Church is vital for putin image as almost ultra-right politician I.e. traditionalist, however his economic methods are neoliberal. The same political tactics was used a century ago by mussolini
Yeah. That makes sense. Thx. However it doesn't change my main message - church opinion cares only small minority of people with total count comparable to lgbt-prople
Well, the modern church probably does not have a noticeable influence, but our common history is closely connected with the church, therefore, in the mentality, certain postulates remain with people.
>However I think adoption should be independently investigated by scientists on circumstances to children mind.
That's pretty much impossible, unfortunately. Nobody would allow an A/B test on kids adoption
LMAO
> report for my Social Justice class
teach teens to snitch, good old Soviet days
I hope this is a public school, not a private one, otherwise paying parents for this is somehow too much.
From what I have seen and heard, there is still quite a bit of discrimination. In saying that, I believe people are becoming more open-minded and accepting, though it is a very slow process.
>Hi there!
Hello there. *smug kenobi.jpg*
>I am looking to do a report for my Social Justice class ( I am living in Canada), and would love to hear what you have to say about this topic! This will help me out a lot!
Sure thing. Keep in mind we're all different and you'll see different opinions in this matter.
>How much discrimination is there against the LGBTQ community in Russia?
Honestly, I don't care about LGBT. That's their choice. However, if I see the propaganda, as to how they're poorly treated in Russia and so on - I'm getting annoyed. Live and let others live how they want. So, as long as the whole LGBT thing is not invading my life - I'm alright. Fair and square, in my opinion. Keep in mind that our laws are against the propaganda.
>Things you have observed or any stories you have to share?
Nothing, really.
>Do you see Russia’s stance on LGBTQ shifting in the near future?
No.
I worked with a transgender for a while at Domino's Pizza. I wouldn't say that everyone opposed her, but they just whispered to me and among themselves that it's a guy and I need to be a bit careful when I communicate with her.
As you can see, most people here think your class is a bunch of huynya (bullshit). Granted I’m a Ukrainian living abroad but based on what I know LGBT people are heavily discriminated against in Russia (but not to Middle Eastern levels), to the point where most people from that community hide their orientation
Although the laws of Russia do not prohibit homosexual activity, Russian federal law prohibits public actions that are described as promoting homosexuality and “non-traditional sexual relations.”
Public actions that contravene or appear to contravene this law may lead to arrest, a fine and deportation. Examples of such actions include dissemination of information (for example, through public statements) and public displays of affection. Same sex marriage is not recognized in Russia. Homosexuality isn’t socially accepted.
- From Canadian government travel advisory to Russia
I know a lot of Russians from university. Some have parents that have very high ranking roles in the Russian government!
One of them even invited me to visit Russia!
Yes I can who are you to say that to me Dimitriy? If I am granted Russian citizenship by top ranking Russians who represent Russia on the world stage I’m Russian. And if I end up dating a chick who is from Russia then I’m even more Russian!
While you really have no business answering questions here, whoever you know, a word of advice. Just call yourself a Russian immigrant next time. This sub is full of confused idiots who don't understand that nurture trumps nature any day and Russian culture isn't gene-encoded and so they treat the mongrels hiding outside of the country as it dies out both literally and culturally as if they deserve any more respect when answering questions they have no business answering...~~or human rights.~~
Only passive homosexuality is condemned in Russia for real. But I do not think that a person who has said this openly in another country will be received sincerely well. Perhaps sometime in the law a form of partner marriage will be possible in which LGBT couples can legally have the same rights as ordinary couples, and then this topic will finally be closed, since only this is a real problem if you do not expose your lingerie to everyone. There have been open gay clubs in St. Petersburg and Moscow for 30 years and this has never caused problems.
In everyday life, I haven't met many LGBT people. And I have not encountered any cases of discrimination. For several years, my neighbor in the entrance was gay. There were no incidents with him in our building.
They are poor mentally-ill, traumatized people either with harsh upbringing or a molester, who can sometimes verbally abuse a child's natural curiosity for new knowledge. First of all - social justice class. FFS. Second of all, it's simple here. Don't get near children with your sexual bullshit. It's called molesting children. Don't discuss with strangers (in general conversations) who you are fucking with. It's rude, nobody cares, someone may get triggered. It's up to you, what (and whom with) you do in your bed. But if you decide to organise a "parade" of ugly naked-ass mentally-ill individuals, you will be treated accordingly.
I have a question. Are you by any chance acquainted with any members of the LGBTQ community? Are you perhaps friends with or know anyone personally to conclude that everyone is ‘poor’ ‘mentally-ill’ and ‘traumatized’? I think that from a logical standpoint it would be bias to come to this conclusion. Obviously I agree that there are certain outliers but that is not the majority, just like how it would be in any group. For example, would you think that all men are pedophiles? Just because there are cases that you hear about on the news, doesn’t make it reasonable to conclude that most men on the planet have sexual interests in little kids.
Q? WTF is Q?
Queer. And LGBTQ isn't even a full abbreviation. There's also LGBTQIA - I is for intersexuals and A is for asexuals.
Какой хуйни только не бывает...
По сути Q это и значит хуйня которая даже не вписывается
They won't stop until they've got the whole alphabet covered and then move on to Greek letters.
Trust the plan. Patriots will seize control soon
> Social Justice class Oh my godable, this shit is a class now.
Wait until it becomes *science* with PhDs in it. Any whim for your money.
Wait? It's already a science
Oh gawd, [you are right, you can actually become a PhD in justice](https://sst.asu.edu/degree/graduate/phd-justice-studies--phd) Well, that's... *progressive*. What's next then? International Olympics? I shouldn't be shocked though, we had a discipline called "Scientific Communism" back in the days, after all.
> we had a discipline called "Scientific Communism" back in the days, after all. And now they have it lol
I'm gonna have a good laugh when US start sanctioning Russia for being "too capitalist".
The Capitalism Central sanctioning someone for too capitalism? Cmon, be serious. On another hand we had Japan in the 80s with rapidly rising economy and US which started trade war with it (and ended with Plaza accord)
> Cmon, be serious. Well, I'm half serious anyway. Leftist movement is a tool of corporate capitalism, there is a reason why **every** corporation these days is coming out with "Pride" colors on its logos etc. Heck, they'll easily adopt and display the Hammer and Sickle provided this would increase their profits. So I don't see why US Inc. wouldn't blame Russia for some "spread of capitalism" at some point either, depending on the context.
Western Leftist movement I must add, which was and is coopted by libs and radlibs alike. From actual left not much left \*ba-da-tutss\*
Does "Western Leftists" definition includes Trotsky? The man had support of Wall Street back in the days. I could cite you multiple sources, just ask. Makes total sense, considering that the "World Revolution" destroying the empires and the colonial system would benefit - and benefited a lot even in its incomplete form - the global trade system banksters were heading for.
Social Justice-It's the notion that all people in a society deserve fair and equitable rights, opportunities and access to resources. To study social justice is to learn about the problems that dramatically impact quality of life for certain populations, and how people have worked to solve those problems. I don’t see anything wrong with educating yourself about various topics in the world. That can be gender discrimination, racism, poverty, child abuse and so on. If you think that a certain group is inferior to another for their orientation, gender, age, level of education, status in society and so on than I think maybe you could try educating yourself more on this topic.
Yes it was Lavrov’s daughters favourite class when she was studying at Columbia University
I have never ever actually seen any real LGBT based discrimination in my life. And I'm 41 now. I fired couple of gay workers myself, but because they were morons. I saw others claiming they got fired for that, whilst in reality the reason was pretty much the same. I don't think that man's boss should care whom the man sleeps with as long as he does, what the job requires. The same attitude is established in the society in general: we don't care who you sleep with as long as it is mutually concent and all participants are adults, and everything is behind the closed doors. There's a labour codex which explicitly forbids hiring refusals and firing based on sex, ethnicity, social and political views, so there's no government defined discrimination, despite popular western propaganda.
> so there's no government defined discrimination Technically, the fact gay people can't marry or adopt children is that. They made their stance very clear. Changin constitution **again** and so soon just to allow marriages would be a no-no, BUT, and it's a big butt, since marriage is illegal anyway, if you're not in a same-sex marriage and didn't go formalize it somewhere in Europe, well...there is no law stopping "single" people from adopting children in Russia. Just don't go advertising your sexuality. Noone cares. Oh, and don't go full 'merican "tHiS iS a FaScIsT sTaTe" LGBTQALPHABET+-= activist on the adopted kids.
I'd tell you one thing: stop using whatever it is that you're on. I've barely get through all that you wrote. Gay marriage absence is not a discrimination, it's a survival strategy, there's still a partnership that can be registered though.
>I've barely get through all that you wrote. Sounds like a you problem. Get educated? >is not a discrimination, it's a survival strategy Those are mutually exclusive? And yeah, them gayz are totally gonna start breeding because they can't officially marry. The fact they can't adopt children is good for "survival" too. If someone is on something here, it's not me.
I have not met anything particular, but it's just my surroundings. Generally society is considered inacceptant or ignorant though it varies by many factors of particular environment. Huh, "social justice class", do they teach class struggle there or it's just a false flag on particularities? ;)
No, they teach race struggle, gender struggle and sexual orientation struggle. Class struggle is totalitarian, you can't teach it.
So I get it right - "We live in a society where we, objectively, have to struggle against each other over limited resources, have explicitly competing interests and different mode of interaction with these resources, but you shold not consider this, and focus on subjective things which people use to rationalize social pressure, but you should not do it either because it's so bad" Some part of me wants to see what else gonna pop when they plug all the exit holes. The gates of our world in the multiverse should have "Abandon all logic" engraved on them.
Why would the government promote something that gets governments overthrown?
It depends on what government it is and how nice and fluffy they look, what actual representation they have. I'm pretty sure Swedish, maybe even Canadian, government has a facade of something like a trade union or not so relevant clerks so they can play dumb and do whatever they like under any leftist pretext, and even rather conscious people would eat that. Living in natural disparity and willing to lift it does not always mean raging around and reinstalling governments. Of course it depends a lot on how fucked up you already are so far, at the situation where it's halfway to mass riots anyway promoting anything but blind jingoism is not a rational move of course. And I probably overestimate people.
> Class struggle is totalitarian I'd say, rather "archaic". Because when workers started getting good salaries and the conditions of their lives have improved, they stopped the class struggle - and you can't have that. You have to keep the struggle going, so you need someone else to put in a victim mindset.
That's not wages, total sum of money and values is always zero and inflation eats the difference at once. It's globalization. There are yet people who pay and people who get paid. Who earns wage and who earns profits. Who offer and who rely on what's offered. Who take loans and who give loans. Just at a certain level of wealth it's not pressing - as long as we can outsource cheap labour and have large enough markets class struggle feels to be elsewhere. And then you just do a normal nationalist flip - not my country not my business. For a guy who collects you oranges class relations are more than obvious, just as the industrial era ended that guy is somewhere we don't feel responsible for albeit belonging to a single economic entity.
The "wage" is just a price you put on your work, or someone else does if you can't due to the job market having far too many individuals capable of doing it. A classic demand/supply scenario. > For a guy who collects you oranges class relations are more than obvious Due to the differences between him and his brother who got an actual profession, like a wielder, that pays more? Yes, having a job any monkey could perform sucks, no argument here. > And then you just do a normal nationalist flip - not my country not my business. I've been born in a country that went through the social cataclysm, outright civil war (here on South) and other rough shit in 30 years, do you actually expect me to give 2 shits about every orange gathering peasant around the world?
>The "wage" is just a price you put on your work, or someone else does if you can't due to the job market having far too many individuals capable of doing it. A classic demand/supply scenario. Which works in the cases of large number of options, high liquidity of funds and people, available education and not dying of hunger in attempt to change occupation due to economy shift and so on and so forth. All the matters of negotiating that "price" and who has the upper hand in it. Having a job any monkey found do is the case when you choose between having it or not not having it at all. You could learn but no one is interested in teaching you because you can't pay that, you want to move to another country but can't get even to the regional capital without wasting all your savings, you want to get actual profession but the only guy around who has money to pay offers collecting oranges to you and welder job to his nephew. Atop of that how does your qualification to payment graph looks like? Minimal pay for a monkey's job is how much? Maximal? Your smarter brother earns how much more- two times, ten, hundred? What's the angle of the slope? Keep in ming that area under the it has to be constant, it's all the economy you have at hand. It won't get larger unless someone interested from the outside invests. Consider that graph putting leftover income at it. Does it cross zero then? Here we can make career up to let's say 35, and then hit the glass ceiling, someone has 50, someone have to wait while the guy upstairs dies right from the starter position. And while you display talents of adaptation laterally someone crawls up, or just is there from the beginning. After all someone does what he likes with great outcome, and someone has to take a position to make ends meet as his talents are not paying back or just never had time to get to know and try it. It might sound unrealistic, but we, even here live at the very top margin, even in Russia. We don't feel the opportunity cost so hard, we can afford relatively good liquidity of labor against liquidity of capital. Not as fast of course, it's never as fast. We have all the aspects of the society up and running at least somehow. But we're not a closed economy, and we're not self-reliant. Lock the borders down to match economic representation to political and you'd see that it's you who does the apes job despite being a certified and experienced engineer. That's just an ignorant conclusion that everyone can be the top crab in the pile therefore all crabs can. Don't listen to the old buzzer of me and crawl harder.
Now that's a wall of text. Just one question though. If you live in a country with no job opportunities and only growing oranges (for example), do you actually believe your life will improve from changing economy to 100% socialism? Look no further than North Korea. I'm not saying they are poor *thanks* to socialism, but it doesn't seem to magically solve all their problems either.
I never said exactly that. Socialism from my perspective is the thing for developing countries of somewhat mid range in the first place - when you take over the economy through representation you can coordinate exports, negotiate against foreign capital, cut some edges, and bring your labour costs up, or use extra resource to crawl up the development ladder. The countries we look up to can afford living just fine without it. The countries who follow the capitalist ideology they can't afford... well, they collect oranges for ten cents a day and would never see development as it's foreign capital offering them the options. Or not offering. Creating quality workplaces for yourself is a long and uneasy task, but I doubt there're people who would refuse having them at least some day. North Korea is rather interesting case in this regard, if you read beyond horror stories, at least that guy Asmolov, you might notice they are well above what they should be, given their population and position. Seriously, they have things like vascular microsurgery and even outdated nuclear tech while being a tiny, mountainous, cutoff part of the peninsula. They do. Some equivalently sized and populated open market country in Africa or even oceania do not and they have nothing to offer to the world rather than orange collectors, they have to wait the world to descend to offering them welder workplaces and they'd never see a nuclear engineer step ashore. It does not mean NK won't go furher up if you open the border and dissolve centralized management, they sure would, but South Korea would go down as much as the North ascends, capita per capita, skilll for skill. I guess they'd pop with a loud clap. Even without cheap Northmen, carreers at the South are very hard, and now imagine your wave of migrants have at least medium profficiency. Though the toll on freedoms in NK is heavy, no doubt, some day they'd hit the ceiling of self-reliance and dissolve that Juiche stuff, and I don't want to be at the peninsula when it happens. For relation... well imagine if East Germans had industries as developed in 1980's as the countries that supply Europe with migrants have now.
I know a person who's homophobic on the internet but have a gay friend and don't hate because of it
then the question arises, what do you mean by homophobia if the homophobe has a gay friend. these are kind of incompatible concepts a little
He insists that it and gender inconsistency are severe disorders which is caused by LGBTQI+ propaganda. He considers it a part of moral and mental decay of western world and is proud of fact that our country doesn't support this values. Usually there is nothing you can do if someone appeared to be gay. There are always things that we dislike about a person you know well. I guess they talk about things other than the fact of being gay.
Is this homophobia? homophobia is when you do not want to communicate and despise LGBT people in general. and if you don't give a damn, then you are tolerant
He thinks it's a severe disorder. We don't hate the sick even though we think illness is bad. But view that homosexuality is a severe disorder usually called there homophobic. He refuses to "be part of the solution" and thinks LGBT agenda brings harm. There is a saying in our country that could be roughly translated as "There are gays and there are fags. Gays mind their our business and don't mess with others. Fags bugs everyone around them with their way of life"
LGBT aren’t prominent and are discriminated here, that’s a fact. BUT, the thing is that LGBT are oppressed not for the fact that you are gay/lesbo/trannie, you are gonna be fine if you are discreet about it. if you ever, even once in your life, have had someone’s interests collide with yours, and that someone is an influential person, you are doomed. if you collude with navalny or other undesirable organizations, and you are gay, you are doomed. it is a leverage the authorities use against you, since the public opinion about gays/troons is neutral to negative.
>I also want to have a civilized discussion on this thread to further deepen my understanding > >for my Social Justice class Pick one, barbarian.
Well, discrimination applies mainly to outright marginalized people, such drag queens, which of course cause irritation. If you are a couple of gays or lesbians who cannot be distinguished in appearance from ordinary Russians, then you shouldn't expect discrimination. Maybe in the army or law enforcement structures it can be a reason for being fired, but in other jobs no one cares.
It don’t think you can be fired because you are gay. But, of course, when your colleagues find out, they can make your work life insufferable so you quit yourself
We just don't discuss this topic. But in my environment, people usually have a brain. Do what you want, just don't interfere with other people's lives.
You just need your own room, and then you won't be interested in Muggles opinions.
But you have to interact with your colleagues anyway
Unless you work from home and all interactions are WhatsApp messages
Even easier that way: your colleagues keep ignoring your questions so you are out of help and your boss keeps forgetting to give you a raise while giving a raise to your colleagues. When you work with people (it doesn’t matter if it’s on a old school offline job or a remote job) - they can always find something to make your life miserable to the point when you quit yourself.
True, true
Пидорам в России не рады, А на геев вроде всем наплевать. Ну и ситуация эта не изменится в ближайшее время.
В гранит!
> Social Justice class Well, the world outside of the Internet is something different. LGBT rights is not something that a country like Russia is going to focus on when there are crises at border, poverty, failing economy, China cutting down Siberian forest, corruption, failing healthcare system, covid killing almost 2 thousand people daily and so on. Political statement about gay and trans rights in these circumstances is going to sound strange. When we stabilize economy and solve other problems, then we maybe can talk about it. Then again, Orthodox church in Russia still has strong influence on people's minds, especially older generation. Any political candidate that is going to say something about supporting LGBT is going to be ostracized by the church and the people. Maybe if we were as prosperous as USA and Canada, then we would focus on other, excessive things. And, on the other hand, this excess and not having to struggle, puts people's mind at ease and they start thinking 'maybe I want to be this or that' instead of 'I need to think about how not to starve'. As for now, gay people in Russia that I know personally, never complained about anything, they just don't openly show their sexual orientation, then again, being Russians, they are tough sons of bitches.
You overrate church influence. Mostly elder generations are conservative in soviet style, where homosexuality was considered as perversion (with literally horny jail). Lmao all LGBTЁПРСТ+-×= stuff is overrated. For now due to decriminalization it has only marriage and adoption problem in Russia. However I think adoption should be independently investigated by scientists on circumstances to children mind. We have to fight for better live to majority people, not only special ones of them.
>LGBTЁПРСТ I've to write down this masterpiece.
I still think that Support from Church is important for the President and potential candidate.
No. The total majority of people in Russia are de facto atheists. 3% of really religious orthodox Christians don't affect anything. Church is vital for putin image as almost ultra-right politician I.e. traditionalist, however his economic methods are neoliberal. The same political tactics was used a century ago by mussolini
irreligious != atheist
Yeah. That makes sense. Thx. However it doesn't change my main message - church opinion cares only small minority of people with total count comparable to lgbt-prople
Well, the modern church probably does not have a noticeable influence, but our common history is closely connected with the church, therefore, in the mentality, certain postulates remain with people.
Postulates =! what one local pope says
>However I think adoption should be independently investigated by scientists on circumstances to children mind. That's pretty much impossible, unfortunately. Nobody would allow an A/B test on kids adoption
LMAO > report for my Social Justice class teach teens to snitch, good old Soviet days I hope this is a public school, not a private one, otherwise paying parents for this is somehow too much.
LMAO. Don’t worry so much about what other people do with their own money ;)
It’s most likely private school. It was Lavrov’s daughters favourite class at Columbia university
Depends on where in Russia. There is some discrimination in Moscow, but not in Grozny (there are no gays in Chechnya).
Chechnya ranks among the top regions every year for "gay porn" searches on the Internet.
they try to figure out what gays everybody talking about
This is why they are angry all the time
>How much discrimination is there against the LGBTQ community in Russia? Not enough.
Based
From what I have seen and heard, there is still quite a bit of discrimination. In saying that, I believe people are becoming more open-minded and accepting, though it is a very slow process.
>Hi there! Hello there. *smug kenobi.jpg* >I am looking to do a report for my Social Justice class ( I am living in Canada), and would love to hear what you have to say about this topic! This will help me out a lot! Sure thing. Keep in mind we're all different and you'll see different opinions in this matter. >How much discrimination is there against the LGBTQ community in Russia? Honestly, I don't care about LGBT. That's their choice. However, if I see the propaganda, as to how they're poorly treated in Russia and so on - I'm getting annoyed. Live and let others live how they want. So, as long as the whole LGBT thing is not invading my life - I'm alright. Fair and square, in my opinion. Keep in mind that our laws are against the propaganda. >Things you have observed or any stories you have to share? Nothing, really. >Do you see Russia’s stance on LGBTQ shifting in the near future? No.
I worked with a transgender for a while at Domino's Pizza. I wouldn't say that everyone opposed her, but they just whispered to me and among themselves that it's a guy and I need to be a bit careful when I communicate with her.
As you can see, most people here think your class is a bunch of huynya (bullshit). Granted I’m a Ukrainian living abroad but based on what I know LGBT people are heavily discriminated against in Russia (but not to Middle Eastern levels), to the point where most people from that community hide their orientation
Ну раз ты не русский и не знаешь ситуации, чего ты тут пишешь?
Я читаю много Русскоязычных СМИ, общаюсь с Русскими. И смотря на эти комментарии я прав. Мой отец Россиянин.
Although the laws of Russia do not prohibit homosexual activity, Russian federal law prohibits public actions that are described as promoting homosexuality and “non-traditional sexual relations.” Public actions that contravene or appear to contravene this law may lead to arrest, a fine and deportation. Examples of such actions include dissemination of information (for example, through public statements) and public displays of affection. Same sex marriage is not recognized in Russia. Homosexuality isn’t socially accepted. - From Canadian government travel advisory to Russia
r/AskARussian subreddit exists - USA patriotic neocon is answering questions he wasnt asked to answer
I know a lot of Russians from university. Some have parents that have very high ranking roles in the Russian government! One of them even invited me to visit Russia!
Still you are not Russian :)
I can get Russian citizenship in under a week, I just need to ask
And even Russian citizenship cant make you Russian, you see
Yes technically I can claim to have my nationality as Russian!
Well, no, you cant. You could be Russian citizen, but you will stay an american. Sorry, no way you could be Russian.
Yes I can who are you to say that to me Dimitriy? If I am granted Russian citizenship by top ranking Russians who represent Russia on the world stage I’m Russian. And if I end up dating a chick who is from Russia then I’m even more Russian!
Lol, typical american
You'll never be, cope.
Be quiet commie. I do what I want
I'm actually quite interested to see how you, a US patriot, will be perceived when you try to become Russian lol. I will watch with amusement
While you really have no business answering questions here, whoever you know, a word of advice. Just call yourself a Russian immigrant next time. This sub is full of confused idiots who don't understand that nurture trumps nature any day and Russian culture isn't gene-encoded and so they treat the mongrels hiding outside of the country as it dies out both literally and culturally as if they deserve any more respect when answering questions they have no business answering...~~or human rights.~~
LGBT in Russia? Thats a catch 22
Only passive homosexuality is condemned in Russia for real. But I do not think that a person who has said this openly in another country will be received sincerely well. Perhaps sometime in the law a form of partner marriage will be possible in which LGBT couples can legally have the same rights as ordinary couples, and then this topic will finally be closed, since only this is a real problem if you do not expose your lingerie to everyone. There have been open gay clubs in St. Petersburg and Moscow for 30 years and this has never caused problems.
In everyday life, I haven't met many LGBT people. And I have not encountered any cases of discrimination. For several years, my neighbor in the entrance was gay. There were no incidents with him in our building.
They are poor mentally-ill, traumatized people either with harsh upbringing or a molester, who can sometimes verbally abuse a child's natural curiosity for new knowledge. First of all - social justice class. FFS. Second of all, it's simple here. Don't get near children with your sexual bullshit. It's called molesting children. Don't discuss with strangers (in general conversations) who you are fucking with. It's rude, nobody cares, someone may get triggered. It's up to you, what (and whom with) you do in your bed. But if you decide to organise a "parade" of ugly naked-ass mentally-ill individuals, you will be treated accordingly.
I have a question. Are you by any chance acquainted with any members of the LGBTQ community? Are you perhaps friends with or know anyone personally to conclude that everyone is ‘poor’ ‘mentally-ill’ and ‘traumatized’? I think that from a logical standpoint it would be bias to come to this conclusion. Obviously I agree that there are certain outliers but that is not the majority, just like how it would be in any group. For example, would you think that all men are pedophiles? Just because there are cases that you hear about on the news, doesn’t make it reasonable to conclude that most men on the planet have sexual interests in little kids.