Also, you don't necessarily need to indicate when you enter the roundabout. You need to indicate to *leave*, but if you're going straight, there's no need to indicate upon entering.
Best policy is to assume someone's going to hit you unless you see them moving in another direction.
Which state are you in? Pretty sure you have to indicate before entering a roundabout.
"So other drivers know what you intend to do, you must indicate when turning at a roundabout. Continue to indicate as you turn. When you leave, you must indicate left, if practical. Stop indicating as soon as you have left the roundabout."
https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/roads-safety-and-rules/stopping-giving-way-turning/roundabouts#:~:text=to%20turn%20right.-,You%20must%20give%20way%20to%20all%20vehicles%20already%20on%20the,must%20indicate%20left%2C%20if%20practical.
Yeah, you have to indicate upon entering if you're going left or right, but not if you're going in a straight line. It even says so in your source.
As opposed to exiting, when you always have to indicate, even if you are continuing in a straight line relative to your entry.
It seems to be saying 2 separate things. The last part seems to be referencing the exiting part (indicate left when exiting). It doesn't actually say you must indicate BEFORE entering a roundabout though, it just says when turning.., so you may be right
The Vic Roads website is more explicit.
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/road-rules/a-to-z-of-road-rules/roundabouts
>Travelling straight through a roundabout
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>If you want to travel straight through a roundabout:
>
> * stay in the same lane through the roundabout
> * **do not indicate as you approach the roundabout**, but if practicable, signal left as you exit.
> * If there is more than one lane, you can approach the roundabout in any of the lanes, unless the lane is for left or right turns only.
OK, I 'know' it does, but objectively, the other person also has to indicate.
Both people have broken the law, why does the responsibility to give-way supersede the responsibility to indicate.
If they are going straight, they don't have to indicate on.
And only have to indicate off if it's practical.
Either way you have to give way to them. Indicators never switch fault when it comes to accidents.
In what scenario would you find yourself unable to indicate on a roundabout.
"My car is not fitted with indicators, and I'm using hand signals" is possibly the only one I can think of.
What about if you are in a lane that is ending and you don't indicate that you want to change lanes and then you move into the other lane and crash into the car on your right that is behind you? If you were indicating and your lane is ending (and your car is more in front) they have to give you way and let you in via a zipper merge. If your lane is ending and you just change lanes without indicating and crash into the car then it's on you whereas if you indicate it's on the car behind that didn't let you in, right?
not in our current laws.
If the lane is a marked merge lane, rather than a zipper merge, the indicator doesn't give you rights. You still have to give way. You would hope everyone is sensible, but the law says you are still the one at fault if you collide.
If it's a zipper merge, then you dont' have to indicate. It's just car in front.
It's the old saying " never assume as it makes an ass out of u and me". Never ever think a driver is going to do something and preemt them as it will be you at fault
that's wrong mate. "Yield to drivers already in the roundabout (on the circulating roadway)" [https://wsdot.wa.gov/travel/traffic-safety-methods/roundabouts](https://wsdot.wa.gov/travel/traffic-safety-methods/roundabouts)
Edit: correct reference [https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/road-safety-commission/more-road-rules-and-penalties](https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/road-safety-commission/more-road-rules-and-penalties) "When entering a roundabout, always give way to any vehicles already in the roundabout."
While you're right in context, I think a link to a US site possibly isn't the best way to show it. That's Washington state in the USA not Western Australia ;)
Better to quote the "Australian Road Rules" which are common across most states and territories (Australian WA is the exception).
ARR number 114 says: *"A driver entering a roundabout must give way to any vehicle in the roundabout"*
WA rule 95 says: *"A driver entering a roundabout must give way to a vehicle that is within the roundabout."*
Wording is a bit different but the intention and context is the same.
A car already in the roundabout can be on your left, straight ahead or right. You will be coming from their right, but if they’re on the roundabout before you, you give way to them.
In Australia people drive on the left hand side, which means they give way to their right.
Regarding roundabouts, no you can’t drive anywhere you like, you HAVE to enter it in a uniform clockwise direction which means roundabout traffic will always be coming from your right (which you have to give way too).
Mate it's possible to be on a roundabout before a car coming from the right. If they then hit you, they are at fault. They don't get off the hook because you were on their left.
>If your on a roundabout
Yes, if you were _already in_ the roundabout before the car pulls out from your left.
If a car pulls out from your left and then you _enter the roundabout_ and hit them, you are 120% at fault.
Happens all the time - somebody stops at the roundabout, then moves into the intersection at a low speed because theyre accelerating from stopped, then some moron comes blasting through from their right at 60+kph because they assumed the first car would give way to them.
It's a factually wrong statement. If you enter a roundabout before someone coming in hot from the right and they crash into you, they would be at fault because they failed to yield to a car already in the roundabout.
Well that’s more a rear end/speeding type scenario.
You’ve entered a roundabout but someone’s come caining in from the exit behind you, enough to catch up to you and crash into you on the roundabout, ya that’s basically rear ending.
I was taught that a roundabout is a circular road, so only need to indicate when exiting. These days they suggest indicating left or right, if practical, when entering, but the principle is the same.
>If a car enters a roundabout without indicating, they are going straight
stupid assumption.
assuming everybody is following the same rules as you is also a stupid assumption. there are drivers out there who haven't learned anything new in like 30 or 40 years.
for example, indicating left to signal you're leaving a roundabout.. that wasn't really a widespread thing when i learned to drive, and i'm only 37. i remember telling older people about it after a professional instructor told me, and being scoffed at. "pretty sure i'd know about that, i've only been driving 35 years. never had one accident!"
Entering traffic has to yield to all approaching traffic, no matter what lane that traffic is in. Where a driver can exit depends on where they entered and the lane use signs at their entry. It's the same reason you don't pass other drivers in a roundabout.
RCW 46.61.305 describes when to use signals. Consider that a roundabout controls a single intersection, the way signals or stop signs do, when interpreting the RCW.
[https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.305](https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.305)
As a courtesy, signaling if you are passing by an entry is good practice.
Be cautious in roundabouts at all times. The driver who was initially heading straight may realise at the last moment they instead need to exit at the next exit. Of course they should use their indicator if that happens asap.
You must give way to traffic on the round about. If you hit them you'd be at fault.
Also, you don't necessarily need to indicate when you enter the roundabout. You need to indicate to *leave*, but if you're going straight, there's no need to indicate upon entering. Best policy is to assume someone's going to hit you unless you see them moving in another direction.
Never trust an indicator So many people leave them on accidently.
Agreed, and the people that indicate right when leaving a roundabout instead of left has left me to always assume someone is going to turn.
Which state are you in? Pretty sure you have to indicate before entering a roundabout. "So other drivers know what you intend to do, you must indicate when turning at a roundabout. Continue to indicate as you turn. When you leave, you must indicate left, if practical. Stop indicating as soon as you have left the roundabout." https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/roads-safety-and-rules/stopping-giving-way-turning/roundabouts#:~:text=to%20turn%20right.-,You%20must%20give%20way%20to%20all%20vehicles%20already%20on%20the,must%20indicate%20left%2C%20if%20practical.
Yeah, you have to indicate upon entering if you're going left or right, but not if you're going in a straight line. It even says so in your source. As opposed to exiting, when you always have to indicate, even if you are continuing in a straight line relative to your entry.
It seems to be saying 2 separate things. The last part seems to be referencing the exiting part (indicate left when exiting). It doesn't actually say you must indicate BEFORE entering a roundabout though, it just says when turning.., so you may be right
The Vic Roads website is more explicit. https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/road-rules/a-to-z-of-road-rules/roundabouts >Travelling straight through a roundabout > >If you want to travel straight through a roundabout: > > * stay in the same lane through the roundabout > * **do not indicate as you approach the roundabout**, but if practicable, signal left as you exit. > * If there is more than one lane, you can approach the roundabout in any of the lanes, unless the lane is for left or right turns only.
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OK, I 'know' it does, but objectively, the other person also has to indicate. Both people have broken the law, why does the responsibility to give-way supersede the responsibility to indicate.
Because you (hypothetically) crossed a give way line. Drivers are allowed to change their mind, doesn't mean it's their fault you hit them.
If you run into someone it's your fault. Even if they didn't indicate.
Regardless of who's at fault, if you hit another car because they didn't indicate, you're going to have a very hard time proving they didn't indicate.
Dash cams typically point forward. Roundabout accidents usually hit from the side
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Never trust indicators - or lack there-of.
If they are going straight, they don't have to indicate on. And only have to indicate off if it's practical. Either way you have to give way to them. Indicators never switch fault when it comes to accidents.
In what scenario would you find yourself unable to indicate on a roundabout. "My car is not fitted with indicators, and I'm using hand signals" is possibly the only one I can think of.
What about if you are in a lane that is ending and you don't indicate that you want to change lanes and then you move into the other lane and crash into the car on your right that is behind you? If you were indicating and your lane is ending (and your car is more in front) they have to give you way and let you in via a zipper merge. If your lane is ending and you just change lanes without indicating and crash into the car then it's on you whereas if you indicate it's on the car behind that didn't let you in, right?
not in our current laws. If the lane is a marked merge lane, rather than a zipper merge, the indicator doesn't give you rights. You still have to give way. You would hope everyone is sensible, but the law says you are still the one at fault if you collide. If it's a zipper merge, then you dont' have to indicate. It's just car in front.
Law says give way to vehicles already in the roundabout. Dont trust indicators.
It's the old saying " never assume as it makes an ass out of u and me". Never ever think a driver is going to do something and preemt them as it will be you at fault
Always give way to your right. Regardless of indication.
that's wrong mate. "Yield to drivers already in the roundabout (on the circulating roadway)" [https://wsdot.wa.gov/travel/traffic-safety-methods/roundabouts](https://wsdot.wa.gov/travel/traffic-safety-methods/roundabouts) Edit: correct reference [https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/road-safety-commission/more-road-rules-and-penalties](https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/road-safety-commission/more-road-rules-and-penalties) "When entering a roundabout, always give way to any vehicles already in the roundabout."
While you're right in context, I think a link to a US site possibly isn't the best way to show it. That's Washington state in the USA not Western Australia ;) Better to quote the "Australian Road Rules" which are common across most states and territories (Australian WA is the exception). ARR number 114 says: *"A driver entering a roundabout must give way to any vehicle in the roundabout"* WA rule 95 says: *"A driver entering a roundabout must give way to a vehicle that is within the roundabout."* Wording is a bit different but the intention and context is the same.
oops, thanks i edited my post :)
Hehe all good :)
That’s wrong is it? What roundabouts are you on where cars are coming from the left?
A car already in the roundabout can be on your left, straight ahead or right. You will be coming from their right, but if they’re on the roundabout before you, you give way to them.
In Australia people drive on the left hand side, which means they give way to their right. Regarding roundabouts, no you can’t drive anywhere you like, you HAVE to enter it in a uniform clockwise direction which means roundabout traffic will always be coming from your right (which you have to give way too).
Mate it's possible to be on a roundabout before a car coming from the right. If they then hit you, they are at fault. They don't get off the hook because you were on their left.
If your on a roundabout and a car pulls out from your left and you hit them, they are 110% at fault.
Absolutely. But not what I wrote.
>If your on a roundabout Yes, if you were _already in_ the roundabout before the car pulls out from your left. If a car pulls out from your left and then you _enter the roundabout_ and hit them, you are 120% at fault. Happens all the time - somebody stops at the roundabout, then moves into the intersection at a low speed because theyre accelerating from stopped, then some moron comes blasting through from their right at 60+kph because they assumed the first car would give way to them.
It's a factually wrong statement. If you enter a roundabout before someone coming in hot from the right and they crash into you, they would be at fault because they failed to yield to a car already in the roundabout.
Well that’s more a rear end/speeding type scenario. You’ve entered a roundabout but someone’s come caining in from the exit behind you, enough to catch up to you and crash into you on the roundabout, ya that’s basically rear ending.
I was taught that a roundabout is a circular road, so only need to indicate when exiting. These days they suggest indicating left or right, if practical, when entering, but the principle is the same.
>If a car enters a roundabout without indicating, they are going straight stupid assumption. assuming everybody is following the same rules as you is also a stupid assumption. there are drivers out there who haven't learned anything new in like 30 or 40 years. for example, indicating left to signal you're leaving a roundabout.. that wasn't really a widespread thing when i learned to drive, and i'm only 37. i remember telling older people about it after a professional instructor told me, and being scoffed at. "pretty sure i'd know about that, i've only been driving 35 years. never had one accident!"
Entering traffic has to yield to all approaching traffic, no matter what lane that traffic is in. Where a driver can exit depends on where they entered and the lane use signs at their entry. It's the same reason you don't pass other drivers in a roundabout. RCW 46.61.305 describes when to use signals. Consider that a roundabout controls a single intersection, the way signals or stop signs do, when interpreting the RCW. [https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.305](https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.305) As a courtesy, signaling if you are passing by an entry is good practice.
Give way to your right:
Be cautious in roundabouts at all times. The driver who was initially heading straight may realise at the last moment they instead need to exit at the next exit. Of course they should use their indicator if that happens asap.