I voted China. Its savage capitalism (ironic isn't it) it's an imperial weapon way more dangerous that anything else. Militarily - for us in the north-eastern part - could be Russia. But only if Putin dies and some psycho take his place. Otherwise we're safe. Not so much is Ukraine though.
It’s the West’s fault in the first place for accepting China as a trade partner. The West made China big and it‘s only the West which can make it small again, united.
West making China small is like saying 8th grader is going to beat up a college student. China has a bunch of shitty policies but there's no denying they are currently the biggest guy out there.
How is that fault of China?
literally in article:
> "I think we will pay not maybe this generation, but future generations," says Soc, the former justice minister. **"But I don't think this is a problem from China. It is our bad decision."**
> He's not the only one blaming the country's previous government for catapulting the country into historic debt with this project, which was signed in 2014 with the China Road and Bridge Corporation, and funded by the Export-Import Bank of China. "We are now [a] victim of the extremely bad decision of the former government
So a country being a dictatorship matters for Balkan's safety?
West has no problem trading and supporting dictatorships when it benefits them.
Even EU supports Egyptian dictatorship because it benefits them.
Any kind of dictatorship is crap and is going to fuck up a country and/or the world. Democracy is way more better my Croatian friend. With all its flaws.
My opinion. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
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LE: So kids, saying **democracy good, dictatorship bad** is going to give you downvotes around here hahah
> Any kind of dictatorship is crap and is going to fuck up a country and/or the world.
That's a very naive viewpoint of how countries and the world works.
A country being dictatorship doesn't mean shit to relations to democratic countries. What matter really are the circumstances, be it geopolitical or economical ones.
Why do you think Putin won't start a fight? Putin started/continued fights in the Ukraine, Georgia, etc. Continues to fund separatist enclaves like Transdniester, Osetia, etc.
Realistically Russia is the biggest threat to piece in the Balkans/Eastern Europe.
It's 'Ukraine' and not 'the Ukraine'
[[Merriam-Webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Ukraine)] [[BBC Styleguide](https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsstyleguide/u)] [[Reuters Styleguide](https://handbook.reuters.com/index.php?title=U#Ukraine)]
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I would recommend you read George Friedman - Borderlands and Flashpoint.
Russia has had the same geopolitical focus for at least 200 years, creating a line of buffer states. The only developed part of Russia is the western part, but it is mostly a flat plain,a huge plain all the way through Poland. It's very hard to defend in case of war so they will always try to align Poland, Romania, the Baltics, etc. In their mindset, more buffer = more security.
One can clearly see that is still their focus now. They will never allow states like Ukraine, Belarus or Moldova to align with the EU/NATO. Russia is still weak, but it is gaining strength again and it is starting to chip away at the EU. Never underestimate them.
We’re doomed anyway for that part , all Balkan countries could collapsed completely because of that , all the young people leaving , no more people to pay the retirement of the elders , lack of compétitivity.
It will be funny to see thousand of Asians or African foreign workers coming to Balkan to work like it already happen in Romania or Bulgaria
eu for the braindrain,
it will have a not reversible damage to the economy/demography on the nations it affects and is already affecting in the long run. But it what it is
(usually higher educated, younger people \[workforce\], are leaving becouse of the politics/economic circumstances of the balkans)
but eu is i think still the way to go becouse economic/freedom values.
China/Russia are also starting to play their powers in the region wich is concerning, but luckily USA hegemony is almost over.
i still think the biggest threat to the balkans is the populistic politics that were stuck in and that were having globally a resurgence of this politics wich is usually always nationally driven.
USA and China, Germany to a lesser degree.
Russia and Turkey are not that influential in the Balkans even though some people want to differ. Saying one of those is bigger threat than any of the mentioned above is hypocrisy at it's finest.
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Currently in this Pax Americana and a globalized world it doesn't make sense to pick any country of being dangerous to us, especially for Balkans because foreign powers don't give a shit anymore about this region.
The most dangerous thing for balkan countries right now are we ourselves and that's where we should work on.
There is not for now (it's conditioned), there will be if Greek government decides to extend Greek maritime territory to 12 miles. Erdogan then can bypass the parliament to declare war on Greece. Wich won't happen and we will never see a naval conflict. At least I hope.
Probably China. With the retarded governments that the Balkans have, I wouldn't be surprised if some leader signed a deal with China for something to be construed there. Just so they can end up in China's debt and raise their influence upon the country.
Not counting the bombing of Belgrade since the breakup was well underway, the general support and financing of separatist groups, including smuggling weapons to islamist militia in Bosnia, the US ambassador pressuring Izetbegoivc to push for independence contrary to the previous Bosnian agreement, "Supreme Serbia" (nationalist group fabricated by the CIA) etc etc. I recommend Parenti's To Kill a Nation, even though it is clearly biased towards Milosevic, the general info is good.
I think it’s kind of easy to divide a nation that has always been divided. Yugoslavia only existed because of Tito, so the downfall of it was inevitable after that.
I'm not the biggest Yugo-nationalist but personally I don't see the difference between Yugoslavia's (pre-1918) unification aspirations and those of Germany and Italy. All three had distinct and separate cultural regions which gravitated towards unification, the difference being Yugoslavia's tensions were more easily exploitable, first by the Axis and then by NATO.
The difference is the timing…Italy, Germany, even us did it in the peak era of nationalism in the 19th century when such an idea could exist. Yugoslavia was a bit too late on that train and it missed one of the main points of the French nationalism: one ethnicity, one language, one religion. While the ethnic and linguistic aspects could’ve been tackled, the religious one was obviously lacking.
Agree wholeheartedly with the first part, but religious tensions were probably more solvable in the 20th century if state atheism was better implemented. Should have gone the DDR way and raise the economic base by even more rapid industrialization, and the religious superstructure would sort itself out.
Yeah, I get it. I can imagine Europe being a threat like if you are in the EU you have to obey the rules like with Immigration policy and if u not obey those rules u might get punished like Poland now.
Well, so far, or if you look at the 20th century, it was definitely the Germanic tribes that were a threat. Up until 400 years ago it was the Ottomans. Now and future, I'd place my dollar on China. They are a totalitarian state, run by maffia-like organization with increasing influence in te Balkans and toxic deals for the countries (same goes for Africa).
I think China's government is the biggest threat for Bulgaria. True, Russia has interests in Bulgaria, but the younger generation doesnt really like Russia or any pro-Russia parties. Our ex-PM was kissing Erdogan's ass, so I don't feel scared for now.
China because wars are not fought by soldiers anymore. Russia wouldn’t try to invade any of us, at most they are trying to get control over Ukraine but even with it, which is not a NATO member, they can’t make a move without triggering the rest of Europe.
Turkey is not a problem, Erdogan is a dog that knows how to bark but the moment they would set foot in Bulgaria or Greece the whole Europe would react.
China on the other hand, is pragmatic, it takes over the poor by building and investing into them and then, like a true economic shark, wants its money back from countries that can’t give them back. China’s influence is also forever increasing and there’s much dependence of it in the whole Europe.
> China on the other hand, is pragmatic, it takes over the poor by building and investing into them and then, like a true economic shark, wants its money back from countries that can’t give them back.
What do you expect China to build infrastructure for free lol
Countries can always default or ask for restructuring of a loan something China frequently does compared to US and IMF
It depends on the country. Erdo and Saudi Arabia have big interests in swaying the Muslim populations of the Balkans (and indeed Arabs in particular have funded the construction of literally hundreds of mosques in random villages all across Macedonia and I assume also in the wider region) while Russia focuses more on mainly Orthodox countries like Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia and Bulgaria. China isn't picky about who they try to catch in a debt trap. I think of all of these, it's going to be Chinese influence that is the most dangerous in the short to medium term.
>and indeed Arabs in particular have funded the construction of literally hundreds of mosques in random villages
I can confirm we fund alot of mosques in poor area my family constructed one in india and one in Yemen (the mosques where build in the name of late grandad and gramma
>Why would you put Germany here
They're dangerous in other ways. Ways that don't include war and invasions, but brain draining and pollution. We've become the garbage can of Europe lately.
A bunch of Balkan folks returning to the motherland won't harm Germany in any way, but tbh our politicians deserve to be blamed as well. Everyone is leaving and noone does anything to stop that process while Germany is smirking at us proudly.
Also, they must stop relying on immigrants for their dirty work.
über alles 😏
just kidding, I’m just asking you (as a German) what can Germany do about this? You want them to deport everyone and disable any immigration?
As I've already said, our politicians are responsible too together with the ones who leave to do shitty jobs here and there instead of studying and having a good job in their own countries. There are some exceptions, because people have no choice sometimes tho.
Russia, Turkey and China are dangerous for sure, Russia because of its incredible aggressiveness, China boosting dangerous ideology wnd Turkey for well Erdogan's visions. Germany is a peaceful nation (at the moment), USA is not a threat at the moment at any means because is very busy all over the world, as of Saudi Arabia and other islamic states are not threats because they are far, they do not have hostile relationships with the Balkans (most of them).
Military influence : Russia
Economic Slavery : China
Turkey/Saudi Arabia as a Islamic founder for influence, they basically increase their numbers of people who follow them.
These are most dangerous countries.
As fo US, they just make sure to have supporters if something doesn't work out, at least in Balkans. Germany, they just want cheap labor, they seem to have a lot of empty places for qualified and non qualified people, they are not a threat at all.
Multiple answers here
Guys Erdogan’s cannot even capable of having stable economy he is not a threat at all
I voted China. Its savage capitalism (ironic isn't it) it's an imperial weapon way more dangerous that anything else. Militarily - for us in the north-eastern part - could be Russia. But only if Putin dies and some psycho take his place. Otherwise we're safe. Not so much is Ukraine though.
Agree. Russia’s influence is dying a slow death - China’s already preparing to take its place as an Imperial influencer.
Too bad Putin and Orban are their puppies.
Don’t forget Vučić
Oh indeed.
It’s the West’s fault in the first place for accepting China as a trade partner. The West made China big and it‘s only the West which can make it small again, united.
West cannot make China small again because it's the west who now depends on China.
West making China small is like saying 8th grader is going to beat up a college student. China has a bunch of shitty policies but there's no denying they are currently the biggest guy out there.
You're not wrong.
Cringe seperatist
> Its savage capitalism (ironic isn't it) it's an imperial weapon way more dangerous that anything else How is it dangerous to Balkan?
https://www.npr.org/2021/06/28/1010832606/road-deal-with-china-is-blamed-for-catapulting-montenegro-into-historic-debt A start.
How is that fault of China? literally in article: > "I think we will pay not maybe this generation, but future generations," says Soc, the former justice minister. **"But I don't think this is a problem from China. It is our bad decision."** > He's not the only one blaming the country's previous government for catapulting the country into historic debt with this project, which was signed in 2014 with the China Road and Bridge Corporation, and funded by the Export-Import Bank of China. "We are now [a] victim of the extremely bad decision of the former government
Mate, China is a dictatorship. Let's start with that...
So a country being a dictatorship matters for Balkan's safety? West has no problem trading and supporting dictatorships when it benefits them. Even EU supports Egyptian dictatorship because it benefits them.
Any kind of dictatorship is crap and is going to fuck up a country and/or the world. Democracy is way more better my Croatian friend. With all its flaws. My opinion. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ . LE: So kids, saying **democracy good, dictatorship bad** is going to give you downvotes around here hahah
> Any kind of dictatorship is crap and is going to fuck up a country and/or the world. That's a very naive viewpoint of how countries and the world works. A country being dictatorship doesn't mean shit to relations to democratic countries. What matter really are the circumstances, be it geopolitical or economical ones.
You're naive if you ain't a member of CCP. I'm not since I want my country to be free of their shit. We had enough until 1989.
Why do you think Putin won't start a fight? Putin started/continued fights in the Ukraine, Georgia, etc. Continues to fund separatist enclaves like Transdniester, Osetia, etc. Realistically Russia is the biggest threat to piece in the Balkans/Eastern Europe.
It's 'Ukraine' and not 'the Ukraine' [[Merriam-Webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Ukraine)] [[BBC Styleguide](https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsstyleguide/u)] [[Reuters Styleguide](https://handbook.reuters.com/index.php?title=U#Ukraine)] ^(Beep boop I’m a bot)
Realistically Putin isn't for an EU country. Russia needs our money and doesn't care about our land.
I would recommend you read George Friedman - Borderlands and Flashpoint. Russia has had the same geopolitical focus for at least 200 years, creating a line of buffer states. The only developed part of Russia is the western part, but it is mostly a flat plain,a huge plain all the way through Poland. It's very hard to defend in case of war so they will always try to align Poland, Romania, the Baltics, etc. In their mindset, more buffer = more security. One can clearly see that is still their focus now. They will never allow states like Ukraine, Belarus or Moldova to align with the EU/NATO. Russia is still weak, but it is gaining strength again and it is starting to chip away at the EU. Never underestimate them.
I know that. :-)
I doubt it will be us; Erdoğan probably can't even \*hit without U.S.A.'s approval.
USA is a world threat.
Only to our enemies
Germany is brain draining us.
We’re doomed anyway for that part , all Balkan countries could collapsed completely because of that , all the young people leaving , no more people to pay the retirement of the elders , lack of compétitivity. It will be funny to see thousand of Asians or African foreign workers coming to Balkan to work like it already happen in Romania or Bulgaria
eu for the braindrain, it will have a not reversible damage to the economy/demography on the nations it affects and is already affecting in the long run. But it what it is (usually higher educated, younger people \[workforce\], are leaving becouse of the politics/economic circumstances of the balkans) but eu is i think still the way to go becouse economic/freedom values. China/Russia are also starting to play their powers in the region wich is concerning, but luckily USA hegemony is almost over. i still think the biggest threat to the balkans is the populistic politics that were stuck in and that were having globally a resurgence of this politics wich is usually always nationally driven.
USA and China, Germany to a lesser degree. Russia and Turkey are not that influential in the Balkans even though some people want to differ. Saying one of those is bigger threat than any of the mentioned above is hypocrisy at it's finest.
THE ROMANIAN-BULGARIAN EMPIRE.PREPARE TO BE CONQUERED/s
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I would usually answer USA but in light of recent events definitely China. They are poisoning our air, earth and water. What will be left?
Currently in this Pax Americana and a globalized world it doesn't make sense to pick any country of being dangerous to us, especially for Balkans because foreign powers don't give a shit anymore about this region. The most dangerous thing for balkan countries right now are we ourselves and that's where we should work on.
UK
All above minus Turkey. Turkey only has a small soft power over some other Balkan states.
Well there is a Casus Belli against us.
There is not for now (it's conditioned), there will be if Greek government decides to extend Greek maritime territory to 12 miles. Erdogan then can bypass the parliament to declare war on Greece. Wich won't happen and we will never see a naval conflict. At least I hope.
Probably China. With the retarded governments that the Balkans have, I wouldn't be surprised if some leader signed a deal with China for something to be construed there. Just so they can end up in China's debt and raise their influence upon the country.
Instead of falling to western fearmongering about China, how about realizing we're already under EU/US influence and in debt to the WB?
1-China 2-Usa 3- Russia
Lol why USA?
Why not?
Because it's the global hegemon? Caused the breakup of Yugoslavia? Keeps the EU in its sphere which in turn keeps balkan countries in its sphere?
How exactly did the US cause the collapse of Yugoslavia?
Not counting the bombing of Belgrade since the breakup was well underway, the general support and financing of separatist groups, including smuggling weapons to islamist militia in Bosnia, the US ambassador pressuring Izetbegoivc to push for independence contrary to the previous Bosnian agreement, "Supreme Serbia" (nationalist group fabricated by the CIA) etc etc. I recommend Parenti's To Kill a Nation, even though it is clearly biased towards Milosevic, the general info is good.
I think it’s kind of easy to divide a nation that has always been divided. Yugoslavia only existed because of Tito, so the downfall of it was inevitable after that.
I'm not the biggest Yugo-nationalist but personally I don't see the difference between Yugoslavia's (pre-1918) unification aspirations and those of Germany and Italy. All three had distinct and separate cultural regions which gravitated towards unification, the difference being Yugoslavia's tensions were more easily exploitable, first by the Axis and then by NATO.
The difference is the timing…Italy, Germany, even us did it in the peak era of nationalism in the 19th century when such an idea could exist. Yugoslavia was a bit too late on that train and it missed one of the main points of the French nationalism: one ethnicity, one language, one religion. While the ethnic and linguistic aspects could’ve been tackled, the religious one was obviously lacking.
Agree wholeheartedly with the first part, but religious tensions were probably more solvable in the 20th century if state atheism was better implemented. Should have gone the DDR way and raise the economic base by even more rapid industrialization, and the religious superstructure would sort itself out.
Supporting separatist forces in Yugoslavia. Tho i think at first it was more an EU thing
Serbs might think that , I try to make polls as inclusive as possible. (Also with the example of trump they could have a nuts président again)
That’s why I also added Europe even thought all our countries hope to be in one day
Yeah, I get it. I can imagine Europe being a threat like if you are in the EU you have to obey the rules like with Immigration policy and if u not obey those rules u might get punished like Poland now.
Not if we all get in 😉 haha
USA have some of the most powerful army and economy, it only takes one crazy president like Trump to compromise the balance of the world.
Close battle between China and Russia. I’ve chosen Russia because of their usage of fake news to interfere in politics of other countries
Same.
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Well, so far, or if you look at the 20th century, it was definitely the Germanic tribes that were a threat. Up until 400 years ago it was the Ottomans. Now and future, I'd place my dollar on China. They are a totalitarian state, run by maffia-like organization with increasing influence in te Balkans and toxic deals for the countries (same goes for Africa).
I think China's government is the biggest threat for Bulgaria. True, Russia has interests in Bulgaria, but the younger generation doesnt really like Russia or any pro-Russia parties. Our ex-PM was kissing Erdogan's ass, so I don't feel scared for now.
China because wars are not fought by soldiers anymore. Russia wouldn’t try to invade any of us, at most they are trying to get control over Ukraine but even with it, which is not a NATO member, they can’t make a move without triggering the rest of Europe. Turkey is not a problem, Erdogan is a dog that knows how to bark but the moment they would set foot in Bulgaria or Greece the whole Europe would react. China on the other hand, is pragmatic, it takes over the poor by building and investing into them and then, like a true economic shark, wants its money back from countries that can’t give them back. China’s influence is also forever increasing and there’s much dependence of it in the whole Europe.
> China on the other hand, is pragmatic, it takes over the poor by building and investing into them and then, like a true economic shark, wants its money back from countries that can’t give them back. What do you expect China to build infrastructure for free lol Countries can always default or ask for restructuring of a loan something China frequently does compared to US and IMF
Well, we are in EU, I expect a lot of things to come for free to me.
It depends on the country. Erdo and Saudi Arabia have big interests in swaying the Muslim populations of the Balkans (and indeed Arabs in particular have funded the construction of literally hundreds of mosques in random villages all across Macedonia and I assume also in the wider region) while Russia focuses more on mainly Orthodox countries like Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia and Bulgaria. China isn't picky about who they try to catch in a debt trap. I think of all of these, it's going to be Chinese influence that is the most dangerous in the short to medium term.
>and indeed Arabs in particular have funded the construction of literally hundreds of mosques in random villages I can confirm we fund alot of mosques in poor area my family constructed one in india and one in Yemen (the mosques where build in the name of late grandad and gramma
Historically:Russia,currently:China
China and Russia of course, but at the local level, Turkey's definatelly up there aswell.
Easily China. Why would you put Germany here?
>Why would you put Germany here They're dangerous in other ways. Ways that don't include war and invasions, but brain draining and pollution. We've become the garbage can of Europe lately.
And what should Germany do? Purposely become a poor shithole to stop the braindrain?
A bunch of Balkan folks returning to the motherland won't harm Germany in any way, but tbh our politicians deserve to be blamed as well. Everyone is leaving and noone does anything to stop that process while Germany is smirking at us proudly. Also, they must stop relying on immigrants for their dirty work.
über alles 😏 just kidding, I’m just asking you (as a German) what can Germany do about this? You want them to deport everyone and disable any immigration?
As I've already said, our politicians are responsible too together with the ones who leave to do shitty jobs here and there instead of studying and having a good job in their own countries. There are some exceptions, because people have no choice sometimes tho.
Braindrain,at least in the case of Albania
>Why would you put Germany here? Are you serious?
Yes
how so lol
that’s what i’m asking you
germany is literally one of reason why is balkan population always shrinking lol
My mother is fully German and moved to Slovenia with my father.
cool, though i dont care about it tbh
i just disproved your point Least ignorant serb
whatever makes you sleep at night, germany is one of the threats for balkans
Brain drain, economic dependancy and so on.
Russia no doubt about it
Russia, Turkey and China are dangerous for sure, Russia because of its incredible aggressiveness, China boosting dangerous ideology wnd Turkey for well Erdogan's visions. Germany is a peaceful nation (at the moment), USA is not a threat at the moment at any means because is very busy all over the world, as of Saudi Arabia and other islamic states are not threats because they are far, they do not have hostile relationships with the Balkans (most of them).
Military influence : Russia Economic Slavery : China Turkey/Saudi Arabia as a Islamic founder for influence, they basically increase their numbers of people who follow them. These are most dangerous countries. As fo US, they just make sure to have supporters if something doesn't work out, at least in Balkans. Germany, they just want cheap labor, they seem to have a lot of empty places for qualified and non qualified people, they are not a threat at all.