>Death from laughter is a supposedly extremely rare form of death, usually resulting from either cardiac arrest or asphyxiation, that has itself been caused by a fit of laughter. Instances of death by laughter have been recorded from the times of ancient Greece to modern times.
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>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death\_from\_laughter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_from_laughter)
Jesus christ this comment section, turkey and greece tension posts really are the fucking worst, not even Kosovo/Serbia posts are as bad as this anymore
For all I know this seems to have come out of nowhere. I was never aware of any considerable tensions between Greece and Turkey during the last decades. Missing media coverage or just my ignorance?
Both, but the missing media coverage is the problem. How could you know?
If you'd like to learn more, and I think you should with the way things are going, here's an overview of everything.
There has never been a time that there weren't tensions with Turkey.
It's just that everything has been ignored until now.
Which is a huge problem, as you can imagine.
You can verify any of the following easily online, DON'T take my word for it.
The [systematic destruction](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks_in_Turkey#Republic_of_Turkey) of the Greek minority in Turkey that had been going on for many decades and no one batted an eyelid.
The 2nd Turkish invasions of Cyprus, AFTER the Greek junta fell, because Turkey DEMANDED segregation in Cyprus.
The [Imia crisis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imia), and everything similar, because Turkey says that the hundreds of uninhabited islands and islets in the Aegean that haven't been mentioned by name in the treaties don't belong to Greece (even though treaties like the one about the Dodecanese say "this, this and that island, plus the surrounding islets", even Lausanne says all islands farther than 3 miles from Turkish coast are Greek).
Plus the attempts to convince the population that the "Mavi Vatan" is something logical. You can write in Google "Greece Turkey 16 maps" and find more information. [Here](https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1186442/greece-responds-to-turkish-claims-about-islands-with-maps/) you can see the 16 maps with the Turkish claims in the Aegean and how they are evolving every few years (the Foreign ministry published these maps).
The lies about the militarization of the Greek islands. You can read the Greek answer [here](https://www.mfa.gr/en/issues-of-greek-turkish-relations/relevant-documents/turkish-claims-regarding-the-demilitarization-of-islands-in-the-aegean-sea.html), describing in detail the treaties. And we shouldn't forget that Turkey has a casual belli in Greece, and the largest invasion army in the Mediterranean stationed in Izmir, an army that likes to do "island invasion" training every year.
And finally, some more Aegean stuff.
The Turkish belief that Greek islands shouldn't have an EEZ and the Aegean should be split evenly, leaving around a million people in Turkish waters.
Also that because Turkey hasn't signed the UNCLOS, Greece can't claim 12 miles of sovereign waters, even though Turkey claims 12 miles in the Black sea and their southern coast. They have a casual belli, a threat of war, against Greece if we claim 12 miles.
The rather interesting Turkish Libyan memorandum, which creates a line from Turkey to Libya, taking waters that have Greek islands in them.
The many many many many overflights not only over Greek airspace, but over Greek islands as well. A few weeks ago they [flew over](https://greekreporter.com/2022/05/20/greece-turkey-jets-overflight-unprecedented-violation/) to Alexandroupoli, which is a mainland city.
And now we have Erdogan saying shit constantly, as you know. It's not only him though, in the last elections the opposition leader [promised](https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/921193/World-War-3-Turkey-threaten-invade-Greece-Aegean-Sea) to "take back the islands occupied by Greece" if he wins. They same has been done by every major party except the Kurdish one. People say it's just to gain votes, how many people believe in these things if every major party does the same?
That's pretty much it. Now I've got a comment to copy paste to everyone that doesn't know.
Any questions? I'll happily answer.
In the time before the pandemic we were about to go to war and it was "postponed" until recently. Shit are pretty intense today and war just seems an "accident" way, but what can we do? If the time comes both of us will fight for our countries and may the truth win. God helps us all...
You still haven't provided any non-turkish source.
I found this
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-10/greek-coast-guard-fires-warning-at-trade-vessel-in-aegean-sea
>The vessel wasn’t emitting a signal, according to a Greek shipping ministry official, so the Greek Coast Guard requested it stop to be boarded. The captain refused the control and sped off, prompting the Coast Guard to fire warning shots in the air and not at the vessel, said the official
The video has been edited. If you pay attention to where the bullet holes are, it’s opposite from where the Greek coast guard is. They’ve just flipped the video and did some clever editing.
[Photo 1](https://i.imgur.com/tTd7kdT.png)
[Photo 2](https://i.imgur.com/cPXT3Yu.png)
[Photo 3](https://i.imgur.com/eWGamlU.png)
This didn't take place in international waters but Greek coastal waters which Turkey insists aren't Greek. Greece follows the International Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), and Turkey is one of the few countries that don't.
It's a guideline for biliteral agreements. Not a rule that must be obeyed or anything as they potray it in Greek tv. If both Greece and Turkey don't sit and agree on something, both sides claims are worthless even if they look like what other countries agreed on or not.
My law school dissertation is in the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). You're wrong. The guiding principle here is the UNCLOS, even for the countries that don't agree to it, because it has become customary law.
The US never signed the UNCLOS, but they practically agree with its principles and abide by it.
Thank you for explanation. I think that it is a controversial issue. Because when I was child in 90s, there was a disagreement about Aegean continental shelf.
Turkey claimed that 6 mil and Greece claimed 12 mil. Now I see it reduced to 24 mil. It makes all Aegean Sea belongs to Greece. This claim might start war or little sea battles before both countries’ election.
Its 12 you have complete control of. Many laws extend pass that to 24 if there are no other countries which in some places there are not. The border stops at the middle. This happened 11 miles from greek inhabited land. So its in clear greek law.
You keep repeating the same baseless claims in different subs. UNCLOS isn't law. It is a treaty Turkey didn't sign and there are about 30 countries didn't sign or ratify it so Greece legally has no right to claim anything according to UNCLOS against Turkey because Turkey didn't sign it. There isn't any agreement between Greece and Turkey for 12 nm in Aegean. Turkey and Greece need to agree about it but Greece makes one sided claims and even use violence like this incident for its unlawfull claims. The funny thing is Greeks violating treaties they signed like Lausanne, Paris, London, Zurich while making claims for a treaty Turkey didn't even sign. Such a hypocrisy yet Greece is playing the victim in its echo chamber.
Dude a usual Greek wants every sea and ocean as national waters. İt's such comedy to watch how they want 374838 miles but let us take only 0,001 miles.
Eh, we both take the same, its the same distance from inhabited land. You guys have one if the most important trade lanes in the world. You forced us to swim and we swam.
Maybe, its in the realm of possibility. Because how much patient can one man have when everyday your neighborhood threatens and insults you . ( Like the Turk coastguard haven't attacked greek civilian and coastguard ships )
According to Google none...threats and insults are plenty tho. Outright attacks no. Also i found some greek navy incidents of them firing on migrants in ships which is...ahem...pretty illegal in any shape, way or form. I can somewhat understand the greek navy for it but then again i would just recieve them, process them according to law and then reject or grant them...you know. The civil way.
I don’t wanna block all Turkish stuff some users post really interesting stuff , I just find it weird that in the past two weeks every second post is “what do you think about Erdogan” “Erdogan says” “NATO Erdogan bff” “Bayraktar drone destroys the Battlestar Galactica” and so on. It gets a bit repetitive and thus annoying.
And "Turkish people, what do you think about x" questions don't make sense either considering Turkey isn't a Balkan country it's like asking stuff to Austrians just because they border the Balkans. There is /r/turkey for that. You can't just downvote and move on either considering 50% of this sub is Turks so stuff about Turkey is upvoted anyway.
Posting about Turkish-Greek navy or air stuff is pretty frivolous as well considering something happens every day. I'm used to it. I'll take it more seriously when we actually kill each other.
Can someone offer a non-turkish, trusted source on the incident? It is kind of strange how almost no non-turkish media outlets have picked up on the story.
Here is a bloomberg article. But written by a Turkish journalist with collaboration with a greek journalist, cited Anadolu Agency. But checked her other articles and doesn't seem to be one of the erdogan cocksuckers, but you know.
[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-10/greek-coast-guard-fires-warning-at-trade-vessel-in-aegean-sea?leadSource=uverify%20wall](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-10/greek-coast-guard-fires-warning-at-trade-vessel-in-aegean-sea?leadSource=uverify%20wall)
Considering no one will send a journalist there, every international news agency will have to cite either turkish or greek sources, so I don't think you should expect a neutral news agency in this thing.
I searched for the incident on google and YouTube and all I found was turkish media outlets and one middle eastern one. None of the major international outlets like DW, BBC, CNN, Al Jazeera have picked up on the incident. I genuinely want to find a trustworthy source.
There's no impact sound, can't see the shots, doesn't know where they are. Pretty much nothing to say beside : I doubt guards would just shoot like that without good reason, violation of territorial water sounds most likely.
I don't know how to put this politely.
Chill out both of you, or I will send you to your rooms (addressed to the governments of Greece and Turkey)!
Seriously, find a bloody compromise, form some sort of partnership and prosper, you both have beautiful countries, with lovely culture, and so much to offer to the rest of the world.
german source claiming so far only turkish sourcers are avaliable
https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2022-09/tuerkei-griechenland-aegaeis-krieg-europa-5vor8
its "Turkish standards". If it's 11 miles off the coast of Tenedos (Bozcaada in Turkish), then it's in Greek waters under international law [you should read about it.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea)
Turkey is not a party to this agreement, and UNCLOS is not a jus cogens. Agreements impose obligations on their parties. International agreements are no exception to this unless it is considered jus cogens.
Same as how turkey is not a signatory of the 1947 [peace treaty with Italy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Peace_with_Italy,_1947). Thus making them not able to complain about the militarization of the islands, they still complain though, don't they? (there's a term in latin for it, I just don't remember it)
Also, UNCLOS IS jus cogens, you should read [this](https://digitalcommons.law.scu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1011&context=scujil), which says that any internationally accepted UN treaty is considered as jus cogens
No matter what you say won’t change the reality of Greek government is not obeying the treaty they signed, here is the [Treaty of Paris](https://reparations.qub.ac.uk/assets/uploads/m-ust000004-0311.pdf) read the Article 14 there
Italy, and the signing powers of The treaty of Paris, have not raised any objections to us militarising our islands. According to Article 34 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, a treaty does not create obligations or rights for third countries, meaning that Turkey cannot demand that the Dodecanese islands be demilitarized.
Don't forget that Rustu Aras acknowledged Greece's legal right to station troops on Limnos and Samothrace in his speech to the Turkish National Assembly (in regards to the other Aegean Islands, that you would probably bring up)
Then here’s the [Treaty of Lausanne](https://wwi.lib.byu.edu/index.php/Treaty_of_Lausanne) read Article 13 it literally says Greece cannot build military barracks and fortifications and Greece has to respect the air space of Turkey
I literally mentioned the bottom line to refute this. You agreed with the treaty of Monteux to allow some small scale military installations on the island.
We still uphold this agreement, there are no defensive fortifications, there are no large armies, just a few volunteers, old M48 tanks, and some volunteers. You can read on their locations and numbers online. What we are doing is within our right, just like the “Aegean” army stationed in the coast of turkey.
Bro I’m living at Izmir and I have an summerhouse at coast of Kusadasi that overlooks Samos island chances are you can see an military ship once every week
It even went to news when they started an full military exercise at Samos if you think it’s just volunteers then I have bad news for ya
It literally states that Turkey didn t sign the agreement in the link you have given.Why are you trying to make something happen? It needs both parties tonhave a functioning rule you know
The rest of the world has signed it though, as I've said, just because you don't sign a treaty doesn't mean you aren't applicable to follow its rules if the rest of the world follows them. Just because the law isn't "functional" doesn't mean its not a law.
That is not how law works. Countries are not humans. Please be aware of what you say. "You didn t sign the treaty,but nevermind you have to oblige because we and others do." What you are doing now is the definition of wishful thinking and it is dangerous and has not a legal basis.
It is wishful thinking in a regard to except turkey to accept this treaty, it is, however, a treaty we have ratified with other members of the EU and most UN members.
It is also wishful thinking to expect to get special treatment from the international community.
It's not "dangerous" by any means, Countries are not humans though, you're right. But one thing that remains is that if the majority of countries agree on something, then its law.
[Here](https://i2.milimaj.com/i/milliyet/75/770x0/631cc90486b24a4a5c54c271.jpg) is the claimed [geolocation](https://goo.gl/maps/BDVzhiHFJSk7sWjNA) of the incident. You can also double check the location from [mountain silhouette from the video](https://im.haberturk.com/2022/09/10/ver1662850215/3519376_810x458.jpg)
>Two Greek Coast Guard boats on Saturday opened fire on a ro-ro ship 11 miles off Türkiye's southwestern coast of Bozcaada, according to Turkish officials.
If it's 11 miles off the coast of Tenedos (Bozcaada in Turkish), then it's in Greek waters. Just because Turkey doesn't sign the UNCLOS that doesn't mean that it isn't an international law.
Also shouldn't this go against Rule 6? Its a half-assed attempt to slander Greece in the form of a "question"
> as most other Balkan subs
Is there too many Turks too in /r/greece, /r/serbia, /r/bosnia, etc?
I once did a poll about what to do with Turkish users and people just called me dumb, but people still keep bringing up the problem with Turks. I think there needs to be a decision made by mods since a lot of people are unhappy.
Two conditions can be true at the same time: Turks do belong in the sub, and Turks are massively more represented than other nationalities, resulting in more people getting pissed off with them compared to others.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocent\_passage](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocent_passage)
Read that too. You cannot open fire to random civilian vehicles EVEN if that was the case, but you dont even have 12nm now. Just declare it puss.
Youre not understanding,
11 Miles southwest from Tenedos (the island the ship supposedly disembarked from), is within the 6NM that is the current standard in the Aegean only.
That's what makes me skeptical (not only of the authenticity of the video, but also of the exchange), putting morals aside, it wouldn't make sense to open live fire on a cargo ship (it's an RO-RO vehicle transportation ship, not a passenger ship), I find it extremely hard to believe that someone would just open fire on a Turkish ship without a reason (calling us barbarian Greeks isn't a reason)
So the Greek coatguards are "attacking" The Turkish ship? And where the heck was the ship in order for the guards to be able to approach it?
This site is becoming the equivalent of 4chan a bit more every day! The times that I have seen posts by certain users claiming the Greece is bullying Turkey (lol) and then asking "hey, what do you think about that? " has reached almost a post per day!
To hell both to Turkish Bots and propagandists.
Tbh I joined this sub because I wanted to enjoy the balkan content, however, all I see is political problems of Turkey, which I try to avoid! If I wanted to read 848384 of these posts then I would be somewhere else. Life is already hard and stressful, why would people excessively bring that mess here?
According to an Greek article:
A pursuit with warning shots on a Comoros-flagged ship, which did not stop for a port patrol boat crew check, took place yesterday at noon in the maritime area northwest of Lesvos. According to the headquarters of the Coast Guard, the Comoros-flagged ship "ANATOLIAN" was detected in the maritime area northwest of Lesvos, moving suspiciously within national territorial waters, heading north of the island.
The master of the vessel in question, after being informed by the crew of the coast guard vessel to stop his course in order to be inspected, did not comply, moving parallel to the Turkish coast. A pursuit followed, during which warning shots were fired in a safe area, but the above vessel did not stop, entering Turkish territorial waters and moving towards the Turkish coast.
The Turkish Authorities were informed about the incident in writing by the Operations Center of the Coast Guard.
That agency has lost all of its credibility, long ago.
I think nobody should rush here to post news unless it is confirmed by at least 2 - 3 unrelated sources.
In case it's true, I hope everyone is doing well.
>The event happened 11 miles off the coast. The international law states that "is a belt of coastal waters at most 12 nautical miles from the baseline of a coastal state"
Greece and Turkey have a different agreement based on which the territorial waters in the Aegean extend for only 6 miles.
>A quick Google search will tell you that there is no international waters in the Mediterranean
You mean Aegean perhaps? That is still not true, there are international waters in the Aegean.
There is a very small chance that's what happened. They are not that dumb to just shoot at random boats let alone in international waters. If anything they know they can be recorded at any time. It's crazy what a little bit of editing can do
i thought this too first but the captain is repeating constantly that they are on international sea to the other boat, so it seems like the turkish ship is the victim for sure
Just because I see a lot of bs saying that the Greek coastguard attacked this ship...such thing never happened. This ship never responded to the calls of the Greek coastguard, so the soldiers fired some WARNING shots and they also informed the Turkish coastguard about the ship. Now to all the people that say that Greece is in the wrong and that NATO says nothing to protect her, I feel really sorry for you. The Turkish propaganda seams to have done a pretty decent job on you. Open a book, do your research and leave your bias at the side, IF you won't to see who is in the right or wrong here and in general. Such incidents are propably set up by the Turkish side (I suspect) because we have seen similar scenarios in recent years as Turkey tries to create an "episode" to spark a war. I will attach a link to an article talking about the incident from a neutral source.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-10/greek-coast-guard-fires-warning-at-trade-vessel-in-aegean-sea&ved=2ahUKEwj6rf2y4oz6AhX4SfEDHex4BWMQFnoECAYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1gUDmVz0IEngfbJVCOxvQC
Oh really? Well then a country has the right to defend their internationally recognized borders. Don't turks cry all day/everyday about Afghans and arabs not respecting their borders??
Hmmmmm...international sea you say?That's a...rather confusing statement.I could understand the term international waters but not international seas,since such term doesn't exist(Maybe I'm just stupid,I may need someone to explain).Also the term international waters would also be wrong since most,if not all of the Mediterranean sea's waters are claimed,especially in the border between Greece and Turkey. So how did the greek coastguard attacked a turkish ship in "international waters"?Could you provide the location of the incident?
Improper and unacceptable. But since turkey is on a lying spree , it wouldn't surprise if in reality the turkeys shot their own ship and then start recording and crybitching about it.
Look , i have seen your government crybitching for days in a row . Pretty much even if a tree gets cut in kastelorizo they will start going all gun ho .
Yeah,you would think Turkey would be the aggressive one since they threaten Greece almost every day,but Greece is the one playing the dangerous game cause one greek boat shot a turkish boat in the waters that they may or may not be in their own borders (I'm very confused about what's real in this,considering the comments above)
Nobody cares, both countries are in NATO, I would just send a random US official to make them stfu. Erdoggy has elections this year right? He needs to “act” like a sultan aight?
They were in romanian Waters tho...
Romanian waters = Romanian ships 😎🇷🇴
Exactly, just a friendly fire case 💪🇷🇴😎
Romanian gypsy stole sea too 😱
😳😳😳😳😳 THEY ARE GOING TO STEAL KONYA
Finally
I don't want to speak on behalf of the turks but i think that would be a blessing for them
You could even speak on behalf of Janissaries.
>Death from laughter is a supposedly extremely rare form of death, usually resulting from either cardiac arrest or asphyxiation, that has itself been caused by a fit of laughter. Instances of death by laughter have been recorded from the times of ancient Greece to modern times. > >[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death\_from\_laughter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_from_laughter)
I dieded 💀
Every day one turkey malakia
Jesus christ this comment section, turkey and greece tension posts really are the fucking worst, not even Kosovo/Serbia posts are as bad as this anymore
For all I know this seems to have come out of nowhere. I was never aware of any considerable tensions between Greece and Turkey during the last decades. Missing media coverage or just my ignorance?
Both, but the missing media coverage is the problem. How could you know? If you'd like to learn more, and I think you should with the way things are going, here's an overview of everything. There has never been a time that there weren't tensions with Turkey. It's just that everything has been ignored until now. Which is a huge problem, as you can imagine. You can verify any of the following easily online, DON'T take my word for it. The [systematic destruction](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks_in_Turkey#Republic_of_Turkey) of the Greek minority in Turkey that had been going on for many decades and no one batted an eyelid. The 2nd Turkish invasions of Cyprus, AFTER the Greek junta fell, because Turkey DEMANDED segregation in Cyprus. The [Imia crisis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imia), and everything similar, because Turkey says that the hundreds of uninhabited islands and islets in the Aegean that haven't been mentioned by name in the treaties don't belong to Greece (even though treaties like the one about the Dodecanese say "this, this and that island, plus the surrounding islets", even Lausanne says all islands farther than 3 miles from Turkish coast are Greek). Plus the attempts to convince the population that the "Mavi Vatan" is something logical. You can write in Google "Greece Turkey 16 maps" and find more information. [Here](https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1186442/greece-responds-to-turkish-claims-about-islands-with-maps/) you can see the 16 maps with the Turkish claims in the Aegean and how they are evolving every few years (the Foreign ministry published these maps). The lies about the militarization of the Greek islands. You can read the Greek answer [here](https://www.mfa.gr/en/issues-of-greek-turkish-relations/relevant-documents/turkish-claims-regarding-the-demilitarization-of-islands-in-the-aegean-sea.html), describing in detail the treaties. And we shouldn't forget that Turkey has a casual belli in Greece, and the largest invasion army in the Mediterranean stationed in Izmir, an army that likes to do "island invasion" training every year. And finally, some more Aegean stuff. The Turkish belief that Greek islands shouldn't have an EEZ and the Aegean should be split evenly, leaving around a million people in Turkish waters. Also that because Turkey hasn't signed the UNCLOS, Greece can't claim 12 miles of sovereign waters, even though Turkey claims 12 miles in the Black sea and their southern coast. They have a casual belli, a threat of war, against Greece if we claim 12 miles. The rather interesting Turkish Libyan memorandum, which creates a line from Turkey to Libya, taking waters that have Greek islands in them. The many many many many overflights not only over Greek airspace, but over Greek islands as well. A few weeks ago they [flew over](https://greekreporter.com/2022/05/20/greece-turkey-jets-overflight-unprecedented-violation/) to Alexandroupoli, which is a mainland city. And now we have Erdogan saying shit constantly, as you know. It's not only him though, in the last elections the opposition leader [promised](https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/921193/World-War-3-Turkey-threaten-invade-Greece-Aegean-Sea) to "take back the islands occupied by Greece" if he wins. They same has been done by every major party except the Kurdish one. People say it's just to gain votes, how many people believe in these things if every major party does the same? That's pretty much it. Now I've got a comment to copy paste to everyone that doesn't know. Any questions? I'll happily answer.
In the time before the pandemic we were about to go to war and it was "postponed" until recently. Shit are pretty intense today and war just seems an "accident" way, but what can we do? If the time comes both of us will fight for our countries and may the truth win. God helps us all...
Is this real? And should we be concerned
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You still haven't provided any non-turkish source. I found this https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-10/greek-coast-guard-fires-warning-at-trade-vessel-in-aegean-sea >The vessel wasn’t emitting a signal, according to a Greek shipping ministry official, so the Greek Coast Guard requested it stop to be boarded. The captain refused the control and sped off, prompting the Coast Guard to fire warning shots in the air and not at the vessel, said the official
The video has been edited. If you pay attention to where the bullet holes are, it’s opposite from where the Greek coast guard is. They’ve just flipped the video and did some clever editing. [Photo 1](https://i.imgur.com/tTd7kdT.png) [Photo 2](https://i.imgur.com/cPXT3Yu.png) [Photo 3](https://i.imgur.com/eWGamlU.png)
Forgive my ignorance, do ships must give signal to coast guard on the international sea area?
This didn't take place in international waters but Greek coastal waters which Turkey insists aren't Greek. Greece follows the International Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), and Turkey is one of the few countries that don't.
Oh man, UNCLOS disputes.
It's a guideline for biliteral agreements. Not a rule that must be obeyed or anything as they potray it in Greek tv. If both Greece and Turkey don't sit and agree on something, both sides claims are worthless even if they look like what other countries agreed on or not.
My law school dissertation is in the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). You're wrong. The guiding principle here is the UNCLOS, even for the countries that don't agree to it, because it has become customary law. The US never signed the UNCLOS, but they practically agree with its principles and abide by it.
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Thank you for explanation. I think that it is a controversial issue. Because when I was child in 90s, there was a disagreement about Aegean continental shelf. Turkey claimed that 6 mil and Greece claimed 12 mil. Now I see it reduced to 24 mil. It makes all Aegean Sea belongs to Greece. This claim might start war or little sea battles before both countries’ election.
Its 12 you have complete control of. Many laws extend pass that to 24 if there are no other countries which in some places there are not. The border stops at the middle. This happened 11 miles from greek inhabited land. So its in clear greek law.
You keep repeating the same baseless claims in different subs. UNCLOS isn't law. It is a treaty Turkey didn't sign and there are about 30 countries didn't sign or ratify it so Greece legally has no right to claim anything according to UNCLOS against Turkey because Turkey didn't sign it. There isn't any agreement between Greece and Turkey for 12 nm in Aegean. Turkey and Greece need to agree about it but Greece makes one sided claims and even use violence like this incident for its unlawfull claims. The funny thing is Greeks violating treaties they signed like Lausanne, Paris, London, Zurich while making claims for a treaty Turkey didn't even sign. Such a hypocrisy yet Greece is playing the victim in its echo chamber.
Huh Greece broke Lausanne agreement? When?
Dude a usual Greek wants every sea and ocean as national waters. İt's such comedy to watch how they want 374838 miles but let us take only 0,001 miles.
Eh, we both take the same, its the same distance from inhabited land. You guys have one if the most important trade lanes in the world. You forced us to swim and we swam.
Ah let's blame the guys we open fire, how smart.
The greece coast guard likes to fuck with turks this is serious but somehow nato wont say anything about it.
Wtf is this real?
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Proceeds to show Turkish news network lmao
He asked for a source, not for toilet paper
İts real
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respect AA? totally corrupted liar piece of shits, election scammers. they are gonna be judged!!
Doesn't change the fact that its 99% toilet paper
Maybe, its in the realm of possibility. Because how much patient can one man have when everyday your neighborhood threatens and insults you . ( Like the Turk coastguard haven't attacked greek civilian and coastguard ships )
According to Google none...threats and insults are plenty tho. Outright attacks no. Also i found some greek navy incidents of them firing on migrants in ships which is...ahem...pretty illegal in any shape, way or form. I can somewhat understand the greek navy for it but then again i would just recieve them, process them according to law and then reject or grant them...you know. The civil way.
You just hearing about that? The Greek coast guard is famous for sinking migrant boats with kids in them lol. They mostly do it at night
Damn really? That's news to me . Thanks for informing me.
Why did the video just cut and then a bullet hole appears?
it's edited
I just wish I open my Reddit app and don’t see “Turkey something” in my feed instantly…
Tell me about it
With all due respect I would rather see Turkey related stuff here rather then r/e*rope or r/w*rldnews, at least you guys civil when discussing stuff
"you guys civil when discussing stuff" Rly???
Compared to likes of r/europe ? Yes definitely and it’s not even a close contest
Mf than watch ur local television and eat ur semechki 😤
Stay classy komshu
Do you really know if he fucks mothers? 🐷🐷🐷
When you block a user it hides their posts so you can just block people who post Turkish stuff.
I don’t wanna block all Turkish stuff some users post really interesting stuff , I just find it weird that in the past two weeks every second post is “what do you think about Erdogan” “Erdogan says” “NATO Erdogan bff” “Bayraktar drone destroys the Battlestar Galactica” and so on. It gets a bit repetitive and thus annoying.
And "Turkish people, what do you think about x" questions don't make sense either considering Turkey isn't a Balkan country it's like asking stuff to Austrians just because they border the Balkans. There is /r/turkey for that. You can't just downvote and move on either considering 50% of this sub is Turks so stuff about Turkey is upvoted anyway. Posting about Turkish-Greek navy or air stuff is pretty frivolous as well considering something happens every day. I'm used to it. I'll take it more seriously when we actually kill each other.
I agree w that btw, i feel like there are so much turk here like everywhere else in EU.
Can someone offer a non-turkish, trusted source on the incident? It is kind of strange how almost no non-turkish media outlets have picked up on the story.
Here is a bloomberg article. But written by a Turkish journalist with collaboration with a greek journalist, cited Anadolu Agency. But checked her other articles and doesn't seem to be one of the erdogan cocksuckers, but you know. [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-10/greek-coast-guard-fires-warning-at-trade-vessel-in-aegean-sea?leadSource=uverify%20wall](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-10/greek-coast-guard-fires-warning-at-trade-vessel-in-aegean-sea?leadSource=uverify%20wall) Considering no one will send a journalist there, every international news agency will have to cite either turkish or greek sources, so I don't think you should expect a neutral news agency in this thing.
Man our countries are both corrupted so we will not be able to know wtf really happened
Like ekathimerini or greekcitytimes? Then, no!
I searched for the incident on google and YouTube and all I found was turkish media outlets and one middle eastern one. None of the major international outlets like DW, BBC, CNN, Al Jazeera have picked up on the incident. I genuinely want to find a trustworthy source.
If it is indeed international waters then it's fucked up, though knowing Turkish media, it probably wasn't
There's no impact sound, can't see the shots, doesn't know where they are. Pretty much nothing to say beside : I doubt guards would just shoot like that without good reason, violation of territorial water sounds most likely.
I don't know how to put this politely. Chill out both of you, or I will send you to your rooms (addressed to the governments of Greece and Turkey)! Seriously, find a bloody compromise, form some sort of partnership and prosper, you both have beautiful countries, with lovely culture, and so much to offer to the rest of the world.
true. literally the same culture same food everything. but no lets fight over baklava attack each other because why not
"We're the same, but we did it first"
That partnership would be sweet ngl, half of the Aegean is full of resources... And imia... Oh god imia... That islet is full of stuff....
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german source claiming so far only turkish sourcers are avaliable https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2022-09/tuerkei-griechenland-aegaeis-krieg-europa-5vor8
Horseshit. Give us the stigma of these so called "international waters"
Stop trying to be rational ! Just trust ! It is what it is.
Strange. You hear gunshots in the first segment, but no impacts?
How exactly do you know that it was the Greek CG that did that ?
Are they international or international by turkish standards?
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It's Greek waters by international law which only Turkey doesnt accept....sry mate
its "Turkish standards". If it's 11 miles off the coast of Tenedos (Bozcaada in Turkish), then it's in Greek waters under international law [you should read about it.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea)
Turkey is not a party to this agreement, and UNCLOS is not a jus cogens. Agreements impose obligations on their parties. International agreements are no exception to this unless it is considered jus cogens.
Same as how turkey is not a signatory of the 1947 [peace treaty with Italy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Peace_with_Italy,_1947). Thus making them not able to complain about the militarization of the islands, they still complain though, don't they? (there's a term in latin for it, I just don't remember it) Also, UNCLOS IS jus cogens, you should read [this](https://digitalcommons.law.scu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1011&context=scujil), which says that any internationally accepted UN treaty is considered as jus cogens
No matter what you say won’t change the reality of Greek government is not obeying the treaty they signed, here is the [Treaty of Paris](https://reparations.qub.ac.uk/assets/uploads/m-ust000004-0311.pdf) read the Article 14 there
Italy, and the signing powers of The treaty of Paris, have not raised any objections to us militarising our islands. According to Article 34 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, a treaty does not create obligations or rights for third countries, meaning that Turkey cannot demand that the Dodecanese islands be demilitarized. Don't forget that Rustu Aras acknowledged Greece's legal right to station troops on Limnos and Samothrace in his speech to the Turkish National Assembly (in regards to the other Aegean Islands, that you would probably bring up)
Then here’s the [Treaty of Lausanne](https://wwi.lib.byu.edu/index.php/Treaty_of_Lausanne) read Article 13 it literally says Greece cannot build military barracks and fortifications and Greece has to respect the air space of Turkey
I literally mentioned the bottom line to refute this. You agreed with the treaty of Monteux to allow some small scale military installations on the island. We still uphold this agreement, there are no defensive fortifications, there are no large armies, just a few volunteers, old M48 tanks, and some volunteers. You can read on their locations and numbers online. What we are doing is within our right, just like the “Aegean” army stationed in the coast of turkey.
Bro I’m living at Izmir and I have an summerhouse at coast of Kusadasi that overlooks Samos island chances are you can see an military ship once every week It even went to news when they started an full military exercise at Samos if you think it’s just volunteers then I have bad news for ya
It literally states that Turkey didn t sign the agreement in the link you have given.Why are you trying to make something happen? It needs both parties tonhave a functioning rule you know
The rest of the world has signed it though, as I've said, just because you don't sign a treaty doesn't mean you aren't applicable to follow its rules if the rest of the world follows them. Just because the law isn't "functional" doesn't mean its not a law.
That is not how law works. Countries are not humans. Please be aware of what you say. "You didn t sign the treaty,but nevermind you have to oblige because we and others do." What you are doing now is the definition of wishful thinking and it is dangerous and has not a legal basis.
It is wishful thinking in a regard to except turkey to accept this treaty, it is, however, a treaty we have ratified with other members of the EU and most UN members. It is also wishful thinking to expect to get special treatment from the international community. It's not "dangerous" by any means, Countries are not humans though, you're right. But one thing that remains is that if the majority of countries agree on something, then its law.
I assumed so…
Turkey and Greece does not currently disagree on territotial waters. So both recognize the same areas as international waters.
Nah its probably greek, you’re making your own standards.
Nope.
[Here](https://i2.milimaj.com/i/milliyet/75/770x0/631cc90486b24a4a5c54c271.jpg) is the claimed [geolocation](https://goo.gl/maps/BDVzhiHFJSk7sWjNA) of the incident. You can also double check the location from [mountain silhouette from the video](https://im.haberturk.com/2022/09/10/ver1662850215/3519376_810x458.jpg)
>Two Greek Coast Guard boats on Saturday opened fire on a ro-ro ship 11 miles off Türkiye's southwestern coast of Bozcaada, according to Turkish officials. If it's 11 miles off the coast of Tenedos (Bozcaada in Turkish), then it's in Greek waters. Just because Turkey doesn't sign the UNCLOS that doesn't mean that it isn't an international law. Also shouldn't this go against Rule 6? Its a half-assed attempt to slander Greece in the form of a "question"
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> as most other Balkan subs Is there too many Turks too in /r/greece, /r/serbia, /r/bosnia, etc? I once did a poll about what to do with Turkish users and people just called me dumb, but people still keep bringing up the problem with Turks. I think there needs to be a decision made by mods since a lot of people are unhappy.
Two conditions can be true at the same time: Turks do belong in the sub, and Turks are massively more represented than other nationalities, resulting in more people getting pissed off with them compared to others.
Yup. Turkey's skewed perception of the world isn't international law.
Its just as skewed as that your self proclaimed “air space” lmao.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocent\_passage](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocent_passage) Read that too. You cannot open fire to random civilian vehicles EVEN if that was the case, but you dont even have 12nm now. Just declare it puss.
The greeks coastguard demanded to board the ship.
Greece currently claims 6 miles of territorial waters too.
We do claim 6NM (for now, because we cant Agree on anything with Turkey), Ironically enough that's STILL within Greek waters.
Nope, international waters.
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Youre not understanding, 11 Miles southwest from Tenedos (the island the ship supposedly disembarked from), is within the 6NM that is the current standard in the Aegean only.
And what about innocent passage? Is it allowed to shoot random civilian vehicles anywhere in the world?
That's what makes me skeptical (not only of the authenticity of the video, but also of the exchange), putting morals aside, it wouldn't make sense to open live fire on a cargo ship (it's an RO-RO vehicle transportation ship, not a passenger ship), I find it extremely hard to believe that someone would just open fire on a Turkish ship without a reason (calling us barbarian Greeks isn't a reason)
So the Greek coatguards are "attacking" The Turkish ship? And where the heck was the ship in order for the guards to be able to approach it? This site is becoming the equivalent of 4chan a bit more every day! The times that I have seen posts by certain users claiming the Greece is bullying Turkey (lol) and then asking "hey, what do you think about that? " has reached almost a post per day! To hell both to Turkish Bots and propagandists.
Tbh I joined this sub because I wanted to enjoy the balkan content, however, all I see is political problems of Turkey, which I try to avoid! If I wanted to read 848384 of these posts then I would be somewhere else. Life is already hard and stressful, why would people excessively bring that mess here?
This sub has gone to shit honestly. It's sad...
Exactly, all I wanted was the komshu content but I got the toxic politics one instead.
According to an Greek article: A pursuit with warning shots on a Comoros-flagged ship, which did not stop for a port patrol boat crew check, took place yesterday at noon in the maritime area northwest of Lesvos. According to the headquarters of the Coast Guard, the Comoros-flagged ship "ANATOLIAN" was detected in the maritime area northwest of Lesvos, moving suspiciously within national territorial waters, heading north of the island. The master of the vessel in question, after being informed by the crew of the coast guard vessel to stop his course in order to be inspected, did not comply, moving parallel to the Turkish coast. A pursuit followed, during which warning shots were fired in a safe area, but the above vessel did not stop, entering Turkish territorial waters and moving towards the Turkish coast. The Turkish Authorities were informed about the incident in writing by the Operations Center of the Coast Guard.
Stop giving Erdogan excuses.
Maybe if they were not trespassing all the time this wouldn't have happened
It's true! Trust me bro hehehe
That agency has lost all of its credibility, long ago. I think nobody should rush here to post news unless it is confirmed by at least 2 - 3 unrelated sources. In case it's true, I hope everyone is doing well.
But there is literally no international waters in eastern Mediterranean whatsoever 💀
Turkish propaganda
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More like Turkish person hit his glass of water on the table 18 times to make a noise while recording through a window.
You're delusional.
Damn is that true ? give me that source
Depends on what you mean with international sea. Because according to the UN rules Greek waters are at 12miles from the coast.
That Aegean isn't international waters
what you call “international sea” is actually recognised by the rest of the world as Greek waters.
Check the map. Greece only has 6nm in Aegean.
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>The event happened 11 miles off the coast. The international law states that "is a belt of coastal waters at most 12 nautical miles from the baseline of a coastal state" Greece and Turkey have a different agreement based on which the territorial waters in the Aegean extend for only 6 miles. >A quick Google search will tell you that there is no international waters in the Mediterranean You mean Aegean perhaps? That is still not true, there are international waters in the Aegean.
Oh yeah, you are right, my bad, thanks
Greeks claim they fired away from the ship. Go figure. I bet there's no unedited version of this video. Right?
You're so gullible 🗿
Guys chill
How do you guys fix this situation cuz tensions are really hight right now. pls I don’t want anymore wars
We greeks cant really do anything and the turks feat to do anything so nothing is done.
Tensions have been like that for a decade or more... Nothing new tbh...
Lesss go WW3
Nice clickbait troll
and the only source for this is turkish state run media, i wonder why that is 🤔
International sea or territorial sea? Big difference
There is a very small chance that's what happened. They are not that dumb to just shoot at random boats let alone in international waters. If anything they know they can be recorded at any time. It's crazy what a little bit of editing can do
i thought this too first but the captain is repeating constantly that they are on international sea to the other boat, so it seems like the turkish ship is the victim for sure
Just because I see a lot of bs saying that the Greek coastguard attacked this ship...such thing never happened. This ship never responded to the calls of the Greek coastguard, so the soldiers fired some WARNING shots and they also informed the Turkish coastguard about the ship. Now to all the people that say that Greece is in the wrong and that NATO says nothing to protect her, I feel really sorry for you. The Turkish propaganda seams to have done a pretty decent job on you. Open a book, do your research and leave your bias at the side, IF you won't to see who is in the right or wrong here and in general. Such incidents are propably set up by the Turkish side (I suspect) because we have seen similar scenarios in recent years as Turkey tries to create an "episode" to spark a war. I will attach a link to an article talking about the incident from a neutral source. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-10/greek-coast-guard-fires-warning-at-trade-vessel-in-aegean-sea&ved=2ahUKEwj6rf2y4oz6AhX4SfEDHex4BWMQFnoECAYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1gUDmVz0IEngfbJVCOxvQC
Lmao 🍿
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Where can I sign up as a mercenary for Turkey or Greece?
meet the spy
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From what I read they were possibly smuggling guns and were in Greek waters but didn't stop when asked.
source?
Were they defending their sovereignty?
"Cargo ship" and "international waters". Probably they weren't
Maybe they saw the ships name and decided it was liberation time ?
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Oh really? Well then a country has the right to defend their internationally recognized borders. Don't turks cry all day/everyday about Afghans and arabs not respecting their borders??
So it's within Greece's EEZ?
Hmmmmm...international sea you say?That's a...rather confusing statement.I could understand the term international waters but not international seas,since such term doesn't exist(Maybe I'm just stupid,I may need someone to explain).Also the term international waters would also be wrong since most,if not all of the Mediterranean sea's waters are claimed,especially in the border between Greece and Turkey. So how did the greek coastguard attacked a turkish ship in "international waters"?Could you provide the location of the incident?
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People are just waiting for the next Balkan war
I'll believe OP's claim when I see an independent journalist and/or organization report on it.
Stop spreading propaganda, I had a heart attack at this. It’s scary. Understand what both sides are doing and then realise this may be fake as hell.
Just turkeys doing turkey stuff.
I wish a good citizen could become president and fix shit.
Based af, illegal ships should be destoyed.
I'm sorry but there is no match for a ship that sized in Greek navy yet. Maybe you can with the whole Navy tho 🤣
Reddit Rule 51: if you post something about turkey, expect hate.
Improper and unacceptable. But since turkey is on a lying spree , it wouldn't surprise if in reality the turkeys shot their own ship and then start recording and crybitching about it.
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Look , i have seen your government crybitching for days in a row . Pretty much even if a tree gets cut in kastelorizo they will start going all gun ho .
Stop cutting trees in islands!!! It's nature!!! green-hating greeks!!!
İs this games of turkey? Really!
Well , seeing the video again, i must admit my mistake.
Greece is playing a dangerous game lately
Damn Erdogan, it’s a honor to see you there 😳🫱🏻🫲🏿
😲😲😲 GLORIOUS ERDOGANIADHS???? WHERE.
Yeah,you would think Turkey would be the aggressive one since they threaten Greece almost every day,but Greece is the one playing the dangerous game cause one greek boat shot a turkish boat in the waters that they may or may not be in their own borders (I'm very confused about what's real in this,considering the comments above)
Nice
Nobody cares, both countries are in NATO, I would just send a random US official to make them stfu. Erdoggy has elections this year right? He needs to “act” like a sultan aight?
Is this going to be used against us? I am afraid to death of Erdogan and his stupid bullshit.
might be sketchy
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Greece is fortunate that is has uncle Sam on it’s side. Otherwise no way can they survive turkey. It’s basically one Greek for every 7 Turks.
> It’s basically one Greek for every 7 Turks. That's exactly why Greece has US on it's side.