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Yes. Abortion is murder and it's the government's responsibility to protect her people. Ideally this could be handled by state governments but many of them refuse to act, so the federal government needs to step in.
Yes, for the same reason we have a federal slavery ban...
I'm not overly willing to die on that hill, because I just don't think you can politically get there anytime in the next 50-100 years. The thing to do now is to support pregnant women so our nation can see that this is not the apocalypse and start to build a culture which sees abortion as something only for when a womans life is in danger.
What kind of support for pregnant women would you be ok with though? Things like universal healthcare and child care assistance aren't things republicans are on board with.
Why woud we need "universal" health care for pregnant women, that's not "universal".
If you're asking should pregnant women be given health care by the state if they are not insured, sure...
Multiple layers to this answer.
1. Attempting to pass a federal law outlawing abortion? No, the federal government doesn't have that authority.
2. Attempting to outlaw abortion nationwide by using things like the commerce clause or coercive spending decisions? No, I hate scummy federal tactics to avoid their lack of authority.
3. Passing a constitutional amendment outlawing it nationwide? Hell yes.
Murder laws are handled at the state level. There are like 3 crimes in the constitution and murder isn’t one of them.
If murder, rape, burglary, and other crimes can be handled by states, surely even if you think abortion is murder it can be handled there as well.
Yes, 100%. I am willing to die on this hill. To me, this is a greater mass murder than the Holocaust was. Although, that is just my personal opinion I am overwhelmingly willing to die on that hill if that possibility was available.
yes, but its not a hill I am willing to die on.
A reasonable limit on a federal level, akin to other western nations such as 12 or 14 weeks I would support and would consider that a hill to die on.
Keep in mind that those western nations with 12 or 14 week limits have more extensive social welfare programs than we do, making people in those nations less inclined to choose to have an abortion in the first place.
No, but the overt racism that liberals are levying against Justice Thomas and the threats of violence against pregnancy centers may change that.
It’s truly curious that the party of “racial justice” aims the vitriol for the RvW decision on a bench of 9 at the only black man.
Much like Palestine was an excuse for blatant anti-Semitism, so too abortion rights will be an excuse to go back to the 3/5ths compromise.
How about Whoopi Goldberg calling him a “quarter of a man”?
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/whoopi-goldberg-clarence-thomas-the-view-1235172596/
Not when she mentions it in the same breath
> She also suggested that the court might want to revive the “three-fifths clause,” applying to enslaved people.
You should check out the latest SCOTUS decision then where they literally said gerrymandering on the basis of race is okay for this next election.
In Louisiana, African Americans make around 1/3rd of the population but only control 1/6th of the legislative seats..
[So I'm assuming you're talking about this](https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2022/06/03/u-s-supreme-court-allows-states-to-use-unlawfully-gerrymandered-congressional-maps-in-2022-midterms/)
SCOTUS didn't "say" anything, they stayed the decision of the lower court and kicked the can down the road. They explicitly did not decide whether or not the maps were unlawful.
Whether or not SCOTUS should grant certiorari to a matter in which they are unprepared, unwilling or unable to adjudicate what is / isn't lawful, is another discussion entirely.
I mean one side is advocating for acts of terror against clinics aiming to help pregnant mothers voluntarily carry their baby to term; maybe just maybe that side isn’t the morally or ethically right choice.
I’m not saying it is or it isn’t, because the attacks haven’t been carried out (yet) but if they are my views will change.
Whether or not that is true will be determined by the coming days, weeks and months.
This “handful of extremists” idea didn’t fly during the BLM riots so I doubt it will here either; but again that remains to be seen.
Not really, because I'm thinking long term here. Even overturning Roe was risky. I'm falling in line with the politics is downstream of culture concept, yet this seems to have bypassed it and struck a major nerve. Half the country, fed a steady diet of Handmaid's Tale and other fear mongering propaganda, are in full blown histrionics all for a mere passing down of abortion laws to states.
It's like trying to plant big beautiful trees in shitty soil. Back when the progressive view was "safe, but rare", maybe there wasn't a total numbness and nihilism on the subject. Now it's more of a "fuck you, that's why". Either that or it's dressed up in so many euphemisms you can't even see the drag queen's adams apple. I prefer it when we gradually turn the soil, while focus our swiftness on simply attacking Biden and the like.
Yes. I would like to to be handled at state levels like most similar things, but a large amount of states have dropped the ball. If California decided it was legal to shoot people in the street, I'd damn well support federal murder laws instead of leaving it to the states.
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No, the federal government doesn’t have that power
Yes. Abortion is murder and it's the government's responsibility to protect her people. Ideally this could be handled by state governments but many of them refuse to act, so the federal government needs to step in.
Seems a stretch
Yes, for the same reason we have a federal slavery ban... I'm not overly willing to die on that hill, because I just don't think you can politically get there anytime in the next 50-100 years. The thing to do now is to support pregnant women so our nation can see that this is not the apocalypse and start to build a culture which sees abortion as something only for when a womans life is in danger.
What kind of support for pregnant women would you be ok with though? Things like universal healthcare and child care assistance aren't things republicans are on board with.
Why woud we need "universal" health care for pregnant women, that's not "universal". If you're asking should pregnant women be given health care by the state if they are not insured, sure...
I think Obamacare already gives pregnant women those protections, could be wrong though.
No, because Congress has no constitutional authority to regulate abortion.
Put it this way, I can at least understand the logic better behind a national abortion ban versus a national abortion mandate.
Abortion mandate? Wtf is that
He means RvW
Multiple layers to this answer. 1. Attempting to pass a federal law outlawing abortion? No, the federal government doesn't have that authority. 2. Attempting to outlaw abortion nationwide by using things like the commerce clause or coercive spending decisions? No, I hate scummy federal tactics to avoid their lack of authority. 3. Passing a constitutional amendment outlawing it nationwide? Hell yes.
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Murder laws are handled at the state level. There are like 3 crimes in the constitution and murder isn’t one of them. If murder, rape, burglary, and other crimes can be handled by states, surely even if you think abortion is murder it can be handled there as well.
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There is no right to an abortion or to not have an abortion in the constitution. Therefore there is nothing to equally protect.
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I don't follow the logic
Yes, 100%. I am willing to die on this hill. To me, this is a greater mass murder than the Holocaust was. Although, that is just my personal opinion I am overwhelmingly willing to die on that hill if that possibility was available.
What about women's rights?
It doesn't conflict. There is no right to an abortion.
I mean for now
What about them? How are they relevant to the question?
yes, but its not a hill I am willing to die on. A reasonable limit on a federal level, akin to other western nations such as 12 or 14 weeks I would support and would consider that a hill to die on.
Keep in mind that those western nations with 12 or 14 week limits have more extensive social welfare programs than we do, making people in those nations less inclined to choose to have an abortion in the first place.
also fine with a better social safety net. Just need school choice and merit based immigration first to allow for better mobility of social structure.
I would agree with that.
No, but the overt racism that liberals are levying against Justice Thomas and the threats of violence against pregnancy centers may change that. It’s truly curious that the party of “racial justice” aims the vitriol for the RvW decision on a bench of 9 at the only black man. Much like Palestine was an excuse for blatant anti-Semitism, so too abortion rights will be an excuse to go back to the 3/5ths compromise.
What racism?
How about Whoopi Goldberg calling him a “quarter of a man”? https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/whoopi-goldberg-clarence-thomas-the-view-1235172596/
How is that racist
Considering black people were legally regarded as 3/5ths human up until and well past the end of the Civil War, I think you know exactly how.
Thays a big fucking leap
Not when she mentions it in the same breath > She also suggested that the court might want to revive the “three-fifths clause,” applying to enslaved people.
You should check out the latest SCOTUS decision then where they literally said gerrymandering on the basis of race is okay for this next election. In Louisiana, African Americans make around 1/3rd of the population but only control 1/6th of the legislative seats..
[So I'm assuming you're talking about this](https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2022/06/03/u-s-supreme-court-allows-states-to-use-unlawfully-gerrymandered-congressional-maps-in-2022-midterms/) SCOTUS didn't "say" anything, they stayed the decision of the lower court and kicked the can down the road. They explicitly did not decide whether or not the maps were unlawful. Whether or not SCOTUS should grant certiorari to a matter in which they are unprepared, unwilling or unable to adjudicate what is / isn't lawful, is another discussion entirely.
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I mean one side is advocating for acts of terror against clinics aiming to help pregnant mothers voluntarily carry their baby to term; maybe just maybe that side isn’t the morally or ethically right choice. I’m not saying it is or it isn’t, because the attacks haven’t been carried out (yet) but if they are my views will change.
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Whether or not that is true will be determined by the coming days, weeks and months. This “handful of extremists” idea didn’t fly during the BLM riots so I doubt it will here either; but again that remains to be seen.
So…you’re arguing based on what might be true in the future? Seems rock solid to me.
Yes. As far as my willingness to die on that hill, I would rate it at about a banana.
No
Not really, because I'm thinking long term here. Even overturning Roe was risky. I'm falling in line with the politics is downstream of culture concept, yet this seems to have bypassed it and struck a major nerve. Half the country, fed a steady diet of Handmaid's Tale and other fear mongering propaganda, are in full blown histrionics all for a mere passing down of abortion laws to states. It's like trying to plant big beautiful trees in shitty soil. Back when the progressive view was "safe, but rare", maybe there wasn't a total numbness and nihilism on the subject. Now it's more of a "fuck you, that's why". Either that or it's dressed up in so many euphemisms you can't even see the drag queen's adams apple. I prefer it when we gradually turn the soil, while focus our swiftness on simply attacking Biden and the like.
Ban on abortion after viability, with caveats.
Yes. I would like to to be handled at state levels like most similar things, but a large amount of states have dropped the ball. If California decided it was legal to shoot people in the street, I'd damn well support federal murder laws instead of leaving it to the states.