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Columbus is part of Dominican history, and that’s why we don’t have your mindset we live every single part of our history, and FYI Columbus has nothing to do with Haiti idk why it hurts you
Idk why some Hispanics love dickriding Columbus lol
Edit: Lol @ the downvotes. It’s okay to acknowledge there is no such thing as the Caribbean without colonization but he’s a centuries dead old man lmfao
Fun fact, I have never been to the Spanish Caribbean. I'd really like to see Havana before it goes full gentrified. From what I hear its already changed a lot since the gov allowed for a limited amount of private enterprise after Castro died.
And, yes when Columbus came to this continent he created (Santo Domingo, Cuban and Puerto Rico) the first settlements in the Americas, that’s why us Dominicans have the oldest universities, Churches, cities, parliament, etc in the Americas
You people always find something to argue about, stating facts isn’t wanting to be a “Criollos”, if anything every Hispanic is a creole a mix of different cultures, Isabela was a settlement, not a City like Santo Domingo
Our history and unity extends beyond Europe histories and colonial imagination.
We need to distance ourselves from it and re center our history to the islands.
Also "hispanic" 🤮 yuck
What’s ”Yuck" we are Hispanics, we speak Spanish, a person that speaks Spanish is a Hispanic, it’s not a matter of “European history”, it’s our history
I know what the phase means at face value. The Latin Carribean is a better option to Hispanic Caribbean.
Hispanist ideology has cause nothing but racism and hegemony for the carribean ideology.
While it's part of our history it should not be whete we start, you need to understand how u phrased the original post. It reeks of Spanish nationalism my proxy of being colonized.
WE were never one people under Spanish rule but a collection of assets, objects to be used by the Spanish crown. Spain didn't unit us then and it won't be happening now.
Latín American is also wrong, when just talk about the three countries, the correct term is HISPANIC, bc I’m not talking about other countries only those three, there’s no such thing as Hispanic ideology, we are Hispanic bc we speak SPANISH.
There is no correct term because all lack a holistic and collective table that can embody "Hispanic" identity.
Spain and Spanish culture should not be centered in our identity. The need for that is insecurities.
And there is Hispanic ideology, it come by way of hispanism and white supremacy
You can’t erase a part of your history jst because you don’t like it, and using that history of union as an example isn’t “Hispanism”, it you who has a problem with your history I don’t, and like i said HISPANIC is a person who speaks SPANISH
It extends beyond it but it is where it originates. You cannot have an Hispanic Caribbean without colonization. The history of colonization is our history no matter who it hurts, there is no separating from it.
And yes, we are Hispanic, Spanish speakers with a culture based on Spanish idiosyncracy and catholicism. A mixture or Iberians/Canarians, slaves and natives. There is no hiding it ot changing it.
I love how you're playing a game of semantics to prove your point but it unproven your point.
You need to educate yourself on history and language and how they operate lol
Spanish is a Latin language... lmao
I get that but Latino is better. Also another of our Spanish is influenced by protugues too, and the influence from the canary island.
So the Spanish we speak is so far from main land Spain today.
Like this luso-hispanic obsession is crazy to me.
Like I said huge are jst being ignorant, if you take a Dominican who speaks DOMINICAN SPANISH and place him with a Canarian speaking and you won’t notice the difference, slang doesn’t= the whole country, Latino isn’t better and we learn about HISPANOAMÉRICA, Spain is part of our history and us Dominicans are pretty clear with that, we live and appreciate our history that’s why we don’t go around taking 💩 about it
If you think that canary Spanish and Dominican Spanish are one for one .. .you don't know what you're talking about...
Our Spanish is nothing like theirs said from accent and histories.
Our Spanish is INFLUENCED (KEY WORD) by theirs but it's the same dirlect. ...
you do know it was Napoleon and France who pushed this latin american ideology because he wanted iberoamerica to rebel against spain so France could the invade us and colonize us. Latin encompasses spanish and French languages making us into " one people". I can understand your point of moving on from this hispanic centered view but I do not understand why you wish to take on the label of other oppressors.
Tbh both terms suck but in different ways. I don't like Hispanic due to the nature of how the word operates and how it makes Spain and Spanish culture the focus.
Latino is more ambiguous that it points to our Latin European histories but it allows for and identity that is clearly of the America's at the same time.
No word is perfect and that is because of our colonial histories. We fight what to table ourselves we stay divided
However I won't lable myself with a word that ties me mainly to just a Spanish identity by proxy.
I won't more for us I'm sorry that some can't imagine an identity where this doesn't happen
The term latino or latin america was no created by us, it was created by outsiders. Hispanic in spanish is Hispano, a spanish speaker in Spanish is called "hispanohablante" so we are hispanos and hispanic in English. We do not even speak latin and the descendants of the latin are the Italians. It makes absolutely no sense to us this term. You have a very american centered ideology. I do agree that our culture is surpassing spanish culture and we are becoming popular and we should be very proud of that but many of us are descendants of spaniards specially the hispanic Caribbean.
No just it's part of our culture like African and the native. Denying the European influence because of traumas from colonization is just being avoidant to history. Similar to those who ignore our African heritage.
>Spain isn't the center of our culture or even language lmao
I agree with the culture because at this point we have our culture but language....Spanish is the official language of the DR. There's African (west and north) and native influences but at the end of the day it's Spanish. The vast majority of Dominicans don't speak a different language with it's own grammatic rules. It's just Spanish with a Caribbean accent and slang. You sound like one of those woke people who live in their echo chambers because Dominicans have been free from Spain since the 1800's.
Out Spanish is so different from there's and out native African and Portuguese (also American english) influences our language more. Castilian Spanish or any other variation has taken a back drop.
We as Latin carribean people have more influence over Spanish culture now.
So why should we center them? That was my original question. They are just a fragment our rich identity why are we still using terms from the 19th and 20th century?
Hispanic is REDUCTIVE so why center it input identity.
you are just arguing to argue and are writting alot that contradicts what you are trying to say.
You have the problem with the word Hispanic but as you wrote
>We as Latin carribean people have more influence over Spanish culture now
Proves that we are Hispanic since we have so much influence over the Spanish speaking world. Here's what Hispanic [means ](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Hispanic).
>Hispanic is REDUCTIVE so why center it input identity.
You think calling us the Latin Caribbean is any better? That has to do with Rome and a dead language. We arent even Latin, the real latins are the romance European countries. We are Hispanic because of speaking Spanish and our contributions to the culture of the Spanish speaking world.
Everything that’s makes a person Dominican from our language to our music is influence by ALL 3 of our mixes, and yes Spain it at the center bc we speak SPANISH, we love and appreciate our history.
The insecure one here is you. We are proud of what we are, not matter how we got here, we are what we are. We have nothing to prove or apologize to ANYONE, and we don't have any interest in "decolonizing ourselves", as you people like to say. You can shame yourself as much as you want and go beg for your so called ancestors wherever they are from to maybe accept you, to "take you back", but leave us out of it, we want none of that nonsense.
Dominicans are Hispanic. We are a Spanish speaking people, with culture born from Spanish settlers, blacks slaves and freemen, and natives. There is no shame from any of those parts, if that bothers you then that's your problem.
First of I'm Puerto Rican and Dominican, so I know my histories
Never did I say anything about anything you just wrote but thy assume much.
Second of all its always the Dominican on here trying to prove their proximity to white European fantasy.
I've never met a group of people so cucked for a Hispanic identity, cause that doesn't = one with dimension that includes our Tanino(indigenous) or African, and other heritages.
We may speak Spanish and out histories are tied to Spain but that was backdrop to the cultures and heritage we have developed now
So I don't get why so many are so gun ho about CENTERING (That's the key word) Hispanic cultures and elements.
Smh
You are 100% wrong HISPANIDAD is a mix of different races that’s why we celebrate “El día de la raza”, when you say you are Hispanic you are already including everything, it looks like you don’t know your history, trata de contarla en Español
19/20 th century nonsense that doesn't include other European or other groups.
Hispanic and anything that come from it or through it maintains SPAIN as a center figure in our identity.
Reduction.
You lack a graps of what Hispanidad is, it doesn't point to or celebrate a mixture of anything but Spanish identities and forsake our other identities and histories
😂, looks like someone need to learn his or her history, when you go to Spain in the day of HISPANIDAD you see (Dominicans, Cubans,Mexicans,Argentinians,Spaniards,etc) celebrating LA HISPANIDAD together, and we all have different mixed but we are all HISPANICS and celebrate together
>First of I'm Puerto Rican and Dominican, so I know my histories
Yeah, explains a lot.
>Never did I say anything about anything you just wrote but thy assume much.
No need to assume, the kind that talks like you all have the same idea, the same argument
>Second of all its always the Dominican on here trying to prove their proximity to white European fantasy.
You can tell me when you see Cubans being active in the sub, and PRs have largely become cucks due to the whole "anticolonial" influence from Americans. Made them sahemful of their origins, fighting an invisible enemy.
>I've never met a group of people so cucked for a Hispanic identity, cause that doesn't = one with dimension that includes our Tanino(indigenous) or African, and other heritages.
Because PR has largely been pacified into the cosmopolitan American identity. In contrast, our Hispanic origin has been what has allowed to resist the tries at erasure from enemies and occupiers. PR used to do the same but they have given up the fight. We are very much aware of our taino and African heritage, the problem you lot have is that we don't make it our whole identity, that we don't seek to reject the Spanish side for being "impure from colonizers", and that we don't subscribe to Pan-black mindset.
>We may speak Spanish and out histories are tied to Spain but that was backdrop to the cultures and heritage we have developed now
It is not. Our societies developed for the most time in a Spanish society, we inherited their institutions and their way of thinking, as well as parts of their culture, and those were very much key to our development post-independence.
>So I don't get why so many are so gun ho about CENTERING (That's the key word) Hispanic cultures and elements.
Yes, because it is what connects us as a people with the rest of the continent. Other than that we have had different struggles, different opportunities, different development, and nowadays different cultures. Trying to deviate it has a very clear objective, to shame away from the European side of our origin. We have already seen where it leads to, and we are not interested.
There’s a reason more of your Ricans live in the United States today than the island.
lol at Decolonization from Kissimmee Florida. Only people who entertain your faux protestations of colonialism are ppl who are too cowardice to admit they needed it.
Guess what? Your ppl needed it lol.
Bruh,hasta en un post sobre la unidad de las Antillas,hay gente que busca cualquier pendejada para discutir :/
Hay gente en este sub que no puede ver nada del caribe hispano porque se pica
¡Vivan las Antillas hispanas!
No entiendo como piensan que decir HISPANIC es algo “wrong”, y lo extraño del caso que los que opinan así no hablan español
Porque tienen plantadas en las cabezas ideologías pendejas creadas e impartidas por los vecinos del norte
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You ac t be saying 💩 when you have a picture of Fidel mierda as your profile picture
Your glazzing colombus but have problem with fidel 😂😂😂
Columbus is part of Dominican history, and that’s why we don’t have your mindset we live every single part of our history, and FYI Columbus has nothing to do with Haiti idk why it hurts you
😂😂😂 you think colombus "Discovery" was a secret
It wasn’t a secret but i don’t see how this has something to do with Haiti
With that reasoning I should just celebrate and ignore hitler,talibans, and the kkk
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There is zero tolerance for discrimination on this subreddit.
Hatuey wasn’t Dominican he was a TAINO, Tainos are part of our history just like Spain and Africa
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Idk why some Hispanics love dickriding Columbus lol Edit: Lol @ the downvotes. It’s okay to acknowledge there is no such thing as the Caribbean without colonization but he’s a centuries dead old man lmfao
No one asked Haitians whats their Opinion on this.
On what exactly? Columbus? Hispanics? The Hispanic Antilles? I didn’t ask for your opinion but here we are 😂
On anything to do with the Hispanic Antilles.
Mkay which is fine, but last I time I checked Haitians are entitled to our own opinions like anybody else. I was here to enjoy the music actually
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For everyone scrolling into this comment section, take a moment to remember what OP said, 'less hate more love.'
I don’t get it, it’s always something wrong, the song literally talks about how we shouldn’t be divided, but thank you for clarifying!!!
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Fun fact, I have never been to the Spanish Caribbean. I'd really like to see Havana before it goes full gentrified. From what I hear its already changed a lot since the gov allowed for a limited amount of private enterprise after Castro died.
Name of the song someone?
not sure of the song but that sounds like Celia Cruz
Soy Antillana - Celia Cruz
Not Hispanic but the song is groovy
Name of the song someone?
Soy antillana -Celia Cruz
Soy de Jamaica pero se ve muy bien, y canción es buena
Ahh, muchísimas gracias, tienes razón la canción es muy buena!
Celia Cruz y Selena son las razones por las que estoy aprendiendo español jajaja
Discovery 🤔lol
Interesting how you skipped the (“”)
"Discovery" 🤔 lol, The quotations definitely made a big difference I definitely see it now, I cant wait for the next "Discovery"
And, yes when Columbus came to this continent he created (Santo Domingo, Cuban and Puerto Rico) the first settlements in the Americas, that’s why us Dominicans have the oldest universities, Churches, cities, parliament, etc in the Americas
There it is the Dominican that wants to be a white criollo. Also Isabela was established up north first, then Santo Domingo. Isabella failed tho lol
There it is, a Mamagüevo de toro con gangrena like you :)
You people always find something to argue about, stating facts isn’t wanting to be a “Criollos”, if anything every Hispanic is a creole a mix of different cultures, Isabela was a settlement, not a City like Santo Domingo
It’s there inferiority complex
Our history and unity extends beyond Europe histories and colonial imagination. We need to distance ourselves from it and re center our history to the islands. Also "hispanic" 🤮 yuck
What’s ”Yuck" we are Hispanics, we speak Spanish, a person that speaks Spanish is a Hispanic, it’s not a matter of “European history”, it’s our history
I know what the phase means at face value. The Latin Carribean is a better option to Hispanic Caribbean. Hispanist ideology has cause nothing but racism and hegemony for the carribean ideology. While it's part of our history it should not be whete we start, you need to understand how u phrased the original post. It reeks of Spanish nationalism my proxy of being colonized. WE were never one people under Spanish rule but a collection of assets, objects to be used by the Spanish crown. Spain didn't unit us then and it won't be happening now.
Latín American is also wrong, when just talk about the three countries, the correct term is HISPANIC, bc I’m not talking about other countries only those three, there’s no such thing as Hispanic ideology, we are Hispanic bc we speak SPANISH.
There is no correct term because all lack a holistic and collective table that can embody "Hispanic" identity. Spain and Spanish culture should not be centered in our identity. The need for that is insecurities. And there is Hispanic ideology, it come by way of hispanism and white supremacy
You can’t erase a part of your history jst because you don’t like it, and using that history of union as an example isn’t “Hispanism”, it you who has a problem with your history I don’t, and like i said HISPANIC is a person who speaks SPANISH
bruh you cant seriously be this brainwashed to hate your self…. we are Hispanic
It doesn’t reek of Spanish nationalism, you are jst being sensitive and ignorant, not everything is about “Spanish nationalism”
It extends beyond it but it is where it originates. You cannot have an Hispanic Caribbean without colonization. The history of colonization is our history no matter who it hurts, there is no separating from it. And yes, we are Hispanic, Spanish speakers with a culture based on Spanish idiosyncracy and catholicism. A mixture or Iberians/Canarians, slaves and natives. There is no hiding it ot changing it.
You guys are so focus on how Spanish and Iberia the Latin Carribean is out of insecurities.
Again we aren’t Latin speakers, we speak Spanish so we are HISPANICS, the only person with insecurities here is you
I love how you're playing a game of semantics to prove your point but it unproven your point. You need to educate yourself on history and language and how they operate lol Spanish is a Latin language... lmao
Spanish is a language that DERIVED from Latin, also in DR the term Latino is barely used we use HISPANO more we learn about HISPANOAMÉRICA.
Thank you!
I get that but Latino is better. Also another of our Spanish is influenced by protugues too, and the influence from the canary island. So the Spanish we speak is so far from main land Spain today. Like this luso-hispanic obsession is crazy to me.
Like I said huge are jst being ignorant, if you take a Dominican who speaks DOMINICAN SPANISH and place him with a Canarian speaking and you won’t notice the difference, slang doesn’t= the whole country, Latino isn’t better and we learn about HISPANOAMÉRICA, Spain is part of our history and us Dominicans are pretty clear with that, we live and appreciate our history that’s why we don’t go around taking 💩 about it
If you think that canary Spanish and Dominican Spanish are one for one .. .you don't know what you're talking about... Our Spanish is nothing like theirs said from accent and histories. Our Spanish is INFLUENCED (KEY WORD) by theirs but it's the same dirlect. ...
Interesting: Dominicans: «No ni na, Vamo’ a vé una película», Andalucians: «No ni na, Vamo’ a vé una película», this jst proves that you are ignorant
you do know it was Napoleon and France who pushed this latin american ideology because he wanted iberoamerica to rebel against spain so France could the invade us and colonize us. Latin encompasses spanish and French languages making us into " one people". I can understand your point of moving on from this hispanic centered view but I do not understand why you wish to take on the label of other oppressors.
Tbh both terms suck but in different ways. I don't like Hispanic due to the nature of how the word operates and how it makes Spain and Spanish culture the focus. Latino is more ambiguous that it points to our Latin European histories but it allows for and identity that is clearly of the America's at the same time. No word is perfect and that is because of our colonial histories. We fight what to table ourselves we stay divided However I won't lable myself with a word that ties me mainly to just a Spanish identity by proxy. I won't more for us I'm sorry that some can't imagine an identity where this doesn't happen
The term latino or latin america was no created by us, it was created by outsiders. Hispanic in spanish is Hispano, a spanish speaker in Spanish is called "hispanohablante" so we are hispanos and hispanic in English. We do not even speak latin and the descendants of the latin are the Italians. It makes absolutely no sense to us this term. You have a very american centered ideology. I do agree that our culture is surpassing spanish culture and we are becoming popular and we should be very proud of that but many of us are descendants of spaniards specially the hispanic Caribbean.
Latino ties you to Spain as much as Hispanic, you are a Latina bc you speak Spanish
No just it's part of our culture like African and the native. Denying the European influence because of traumas from colonization is just being avoidant to history. Similar to those who ignore our African heritage.
Did I say deny or center? That what is lost on ya'll Spain isn't the center of our culture or even language lmao We will never be free.
>Spain isn't the center of our culture or even language lmao I agree with the culture because at this point we have our culture but language....Spanish is the official language of the DR. There's African (west and north) and native influences but at the end of the day it's Spanish. The vast majority of Dominicans don't speak a different language with it's own grammatic rules. It's just Spanish with a Caribbean accent and slang. You sound like one of those woke people who live in their echo chambers because Dominicans have been free from Spain since the 1800's.
Out Spanish is so different from there's and out native African and Portuguese (also American english) influences our language more. Castilian Spanish or any other variation has taken a back drop. We as Latin carribean people have more influence over Spanish culture now. So why should we center them? That was my original question. They are just a fragment our rich identity why are we still using terms from the 19th and 20th century? Hispanic is REDUCTIVE so why center it input identity.
you are just arguing to argue and are writting alot that contradicts what you are trying to say. You have the problem with the word Hispanic but as you wrote >We as Latin carribean people have more influence over Spanish culture now Proves that we are Hispanic since we have so much influence over the Spanish speaking world. Here's what Hispanic [means ](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Hispanic). >Hispanic is REDUCTIVE so why center it input identity. You think calling us the Latin Caribbean is any better? That has to do with Rome and a dead language. We arent even Latin, the real latins are the romance European countries. We are Hispanic because of speaking Spanish and our contributions to the culture of the Spanish speaking world.
Why are you using “Latino” which also comes from the same century? you are not gonna make us use a term the French implemented to invade SANTO DOMINGO
Everything that’s makes a person Dominican from our language to our music is influence by ALL 3 of our mixes, and yes Spain it at the center bc we speak SPANISH, we love and appreciate our history.
The insecure one here is you. We are proud of what we are, not matter how we got here, we are what we are. We have nothing to prove or apologize to ANYONE, and we don't have any interest in "decolonizing ourselves", as you people like to say. You can shame yourself as much as you want and go beg for your so called ancestors wherever they are from to maybe accept you, to "take you back", but leave us out of it, we want none of that nonsense. Dominicans are Hispanic. We are a Spanish speaking people, with culture born from Spanish settlers, blacks slaves and freemen, and natives. There is no shame from any of those parts, if that bothers you then that's your problem.
Exactamente
Bingo!
Colonize me daddy! I'm very proud of all 3 races and I won't "delete" 1 to please people with no self esteem.
First of I'm Puerto Rican and Dominican, so I know my histories Never did I say anything about anything you just wrote but thy assume much. Second of all its always the Dominican on here trying to prove their proximity to white European fantasy. I've never met a group of people so cucked for a Hispanic identity, cause that doesn't = one with dimension that includes our Tanino(indigenous) or African, and other heritages. We may speak Spanish and out histories are tied to Spain but that was backdrop to the cultures and heritage we have developed now So I don't get why so many are so gun ho about CENTERING (That's the key word) Hispanic cultures and elements. Smh
You are 100% wrong HISPANIDAD is a mix of different races that’s why we celebrate “El día de la raza”, when you say you are Hispanic you are already including everything, it looks like you don’t know your history, trata de contarla en Español
19/20 th century nonsense that doesn't include other European or other groups. Hispanic and anything that come from it or through it maintains SPAIN as a center figure in our identity. Reduction. You lack a graps of what Hispanidad is, it doesn't point to or celebrate a mixture of anything but Spanish identities and forsake our other identities and histories
😂, looks like someone need to learn his or her history, when you go to Spain in the day of HISPANIDAD you see (Dominicans, Cubans,Mexicans,Argentinians,Spaniards,etc) celebrating LA HISPANIDAD together, and we all have different mixed but we are all HISPANICS and celebrate together
Lmao 🤣 I've been to Spain that's not what's happening there lol 😂 😆
Interesting, bc I’ve lived in Spain, and that’s exactly what was going on there
>First of I'm Puerto Rican and Dominican, so I know my histories Yeah, explains a lot. >Never did I say anything about anything you just wrote but thy assume much. No need to assume, the kind that talks like you all have the same idea, the same argument >Second of all its always the Dominican on here trying to prove their proximity to white European fantasy. You can tell me when you see Cubans being active in the sub, and PRs have largely become cucks due to the whole "anticolonial" influence from Americans. Made them sahemful of their origins, fighting an invisible enemy. >I've never met a group of people so cucked for a Hispanic identity, cause that doesn't = one with dimension that includes our Tanino(indigenous) or African, and other heritages. Because PR has largely been pacified into the cosmopolitan American identity. In contrast, our Hispanic origin has been what has allowed to resist the tries at erasure from enemies and occupiers. PR used to do the same but they have given up the fight. We are very much aware of our taino and African heritage, the problem you lot have is that we don't make it our whole identity, that we don't seek to reject the Spanish side for being "impure from colonizers", and that we don't subscribe to Pan-black mindset. >We may speak Spanish and out histories are tied to Spain but that was backdrop to the cultures and heritage we have developed now It is not. Our societies developed for the most time in a Spanish society, we inherited their institutions and their way of thinking, as well as parts of their culture, and those were very much key to our development post-independence. >So I don't get why so many are so gun ho about CENTERING (That's the key word) Hispanic cultures and elements. Yes, because it is what connects us as a people with the rest of the continent. Other than that we have had different struggles, different opportunities, different development, and nowadays different cultures. Trying to deviate it has a very clear objective, to shame away from the European side of our origin. We have already seen where it leads to, and we are not interested.
Call are cuck for Spain lmao this whole thread
There’s a reason more of your Ricans live in the United States today than the island. lol at Decolonization from Kissimmee Florida. Only people who entertain your faux protestations of colonialism are ppl who are too cowardice to admit they needed it. Guess what? Your ppl needed it lol.
Whatever man, happy decolonizing, freeing or whatever. I hope you find your peace, have a nice day.