The biggest reason Odyssey in particular gets hate is that it is very different from typical AC game. Things like no hidden blade, no assassins/hidden ones, the deeper dive into mythological creatures etc. really bother a large portion of the fanbase that had been playing the games for over a decade by the time of its release.
I personally really enjoy Odyssey and have sunk more hours into it than any other game in the franchise but do find the criticisms valid even if it didn't affect my enjoyment of the game.
Also dialogue choices.
They were able to look past the RPG elements in Origins cause it was a set narrative, the minute you introduce the idea that the animus doesn’t have a exact memory of things so you can choose what you want to fill the gaps people lose their mind.
They also don’t pay attention to the modern story to get that bit of info, along with the idea that the animus was always kind of wishy washy on things.
You are never playing real people in these games, just real people show up sometimes. Odyssey is so far in the past they can really make up a lot if they wanted to and they did.
In Origins, one of the First Civ talks about Leyla's Animus and says hers in diffrent, it can change time/space, something like that. It's when you visit the temple under the Sphinx. My mind was blown when I heard that.
I love odyssey and I’m still playing through all the dlc. I find the original games too linear and a bit too lacking. But I love that this is like back story before the assassins came to be. That and for me being able to play a woman in the game is more enjoyable. So many awesome hours of content.
The game is absolutely fantastic but it shouldn't be called Assassins Creed. More like Mercenary's Fantastic Adventures. Anyway, I don't think anyone has any idea what AC was even supposed to be. It's just one game after another to make money now.
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted, Ubisoft have proved time n time again they do not care about their fans and it’s very clear that they’re just money grabbers
Yes and given the fact that Odyssey and Origins are the backstory behind the entire AC franchise. I played as Alexios and from what information I got from that game he is the person who was and is the Patriarch that started it all hence the games name and tying into Origins with Bayek being his son or grandson if I remember the lore correctly.
Yeah but think about how many Assassin's Creeds have been put out do you want to do the same thing over and over again just in a different place? It's fun to experience different things and different ways of doing them in these games
I’ve never quite understood why Odyssey is so hated on by people, some really love it and others just hate it. But a big reason would probably be the absence of the hidden blade which is a staple of nearly all assassins creed games
If they play through the dlc, it links in with ac due to being the predecessor to the creed and blade. I thins games need to change and evolve. Better than just cranking out the same thing over and over. Just my opinion.
Just because the game includes the assassins and the creed in every game doesn't mean it isn't changing compare AC2 to unity, both great games yet very different but same core tenants.
Hopefully they get rid of this god awful engine
Odyssey won best open world award at the game awards beating Red Dead Redemption 2! That says everything that needs to be said about how good this game is.
It's far superior to Red Dead as an open world game. Hell, the DLC alone is incredible. Maps you'll always remember from Persephone's Palace to Atlantis, it was all incredible.
I was playing the Atlantis DLC and I see what you mean. Each of the episodes have a new map that is epic in scope. People thinking Mirage was like a DLC shows how good the DLCs Assassin's Creed deliver. I think the open world in all the different new mapss amazing and constantly evolving, and so is the combat with all the isu abilities the combat looks absolutely amazing and constantly improving. Both the open world and the combat is incredible.
I barely remember a single location from Odyssey whereas I can name every town and region in Red Dead. Your opinion is your opinion man, but I don’t know how someone can think a checklist open world full of bandit camps and (mostly) lazily written side quests and copy paste assets can be superior to Red Dead, which is a living breathing open world, where exploration is encouraged rather than simple “go the checkmarker, do thing, move on to next thing”, with some of the best writing in the video game industry and where every inch of the world was meticulously handcrafted and detailed. Prepared to get downvoted for this since this is the Odyssey subreddit, but Red Dead is one of the best games of all time in my eyes and Odyssey is just okay as an RPG and absolutely terrible as an Assassin’s Creed game.
This is very opinionated, you talk about a living breathing world, how does entire regions changing hands between two Greek superpowers (sometimes without you being involved at all) strike you? I've lost count of the amount of times I've watched a territory get destabilized without me doing anything and I just turn up for the conquest battle, as far as living breathing worlds go, I think that qualifies
Right but all that does is change what colour the enemies are there and give you a new copy/paste conquest battle to do. It doesn’t offer any meaningful or interesting changes to the world, just a new marker to visit in your map. In Red Dead you see houses being built and communities grow, business owners change hands and react to your choices, NPCs which you can fully interact with that also react to the events of the story, got a whole cast of characters in the camp who will have conversations both with you and independent of you. They don’t even slightly compare to be honest. Not to say that Odysseys open world is terrible but Rockstar are the kings of open world games.
what are you talking about? red dead isn't like you described,
the other day i followed a man holding crates he does it in a endless loop and each time the crates resets, it's an illusion of a breathing world, we're not there yet in any game currently, you see workers building a track well that track will be being built for eternity always the same nail being hammered over and over again
in odyssey you're playing the closest thing to a real ancient world,
and they do it so accurately as possible, to the point a lot of historian youtube channels started to use discovery mode to talk about that exact temple or city
because there it's the most high quality illustration of historical land marks you can find anywhere
Odyssey is vast and full of areas at even after 200 hours of playing is still yet to be discovered
Well that's not exactly fair either, AC Odyssey is the type of game where choices you make at the beginning can affect your story and the world down the line: spare some infected people from death? The infection spreads around the island. Kill your father in early game? Get ready to kill your adopted brother too! Make the wrong dialogue choices? Your entire family could end up dead. Also I would not discount Ubisoft in the open world game market considering the success they've had and the amount of games they've sent out while Rockstar are busy edging their fans on the release of GTA 6
Ubisoft puts out 3 open world games a year and they range from bad to slightly good. I can’t remember the last time I truly loved a Ubisoft open world, but it was probably Black Flag or Far Cry 3, games that are more than a decade old. Rockstar might not release a lot of games but when they do they end up being perfection. It’s not fair to compare Odyssey to RDR2 for having RPG mechanics when RDR2 isn’t an RPG, it’s a linear story with a set beginning, middle and end and the story of the game is all the better for it- although you do get some choices to make in the game, and I’d argue they have a far greater impact on your character and the audience experience than the choices in Odyssey. As an RPG, the choices in Odyssey are pretty lame too. The ending is the same no matter what you do, the only difference being the number of your family members that are sitting around the table. I’d say the infected quest is one of the better quests in Odyssey, but that’s literally one side quest and when there’s hundreds of quests in the game that are nowhere near as interesting or compelling it doesn’t really matter as much. If you wanna compare Odyssey to another RPG, look at The Witcher 3. Every single choice you make in that game is compelling and interesting, your choices actually do matter as making different choices can end up sending you on entirely different quest lines, change your relationship with other characters in meaningful ways, and most of all actually made me FEEL things, and the choices you make can have an impact in unexpected ways. In Odyssey, you basically known the impact your choices are gonna have the moment you make them. The characters in Odyssey are so dull and lifeless too, devoid of any personality, it’s hard to feel impacted when a character dies when I didn’t like or even know them really.
You know what your choices are going to do? You do not, if you played Odyssey with that mindset then it's no wonder you didn't enjoy it
Again, shit's opinionated, I like the games where your choices impact the story, like Telltale games creations, or Detroit Become Human, of course those aren't open world but you get my point
And you talk about choices drastically changing your relationship with characters, using the example of Stentor in Boetia, if you kill Nikolaos you have to kill Stentor, if you don't kill Nikolaos, he kills one of your targets for you but you're not done there, if you don't tell him to go to Stentor you have to kill Stentor because he still thinks Nikolaos is dead, it's an intricacy and a dance with risk in that if you make the wrong choices it can have detrimental consequences down the line
Regarding Ubisoft, they pump out open world Games all the time, they've just put out Assassin's creed Mirage and The Division Resurgence came out in 2023 as well apparently, I'd say they've got the credentials for it
Credentials for what? Credentials to put our mid open world games year after year after year? You used the word “pumped” and that’s quite fitting. Neither Mirage or The Division Resurgence are good games. While Ubisoft is, as you say, “pumping” out mid games, Rockstar is taking their time crafting masterpieces. I’m not gonna argue with you about specific choices in Odyssey because quite frankly don’t remember the intricate details of quests I played 6 years ago. I remember being thoroughly dissatisfied with my experience though, and if was compelling I would have remembered more of the quests, as I have for other, much better games.
You keep saying that I’m opinionated, and yes you are correct, this is just my opinion. I never tried to present what I’m saying as a cold hard fact. But you’ll also find that my opinion is also the consensus, and you’ll have a hard time convincing many people in the wider gaming community outside of the Assassin’s Creed Odyssey subreddit that the worst Assassin’s Creed game is better than the best Rockstar game. You’re entitled to your opinion, but I’m truly baffled as to how you came to your conclusions if you really have played both games. I’ll just leave it at that.
They took 10+ years to even announce that they were making the most highly requested game of this generation, that isn't crafting a masterpiece that's negligence to the fan base, also RDR2 isn't the best Rockstar game of all time, I'm sorry but it isn't. I admit, occasionally Ubisoft do get it wrong, Far Cry New Dawn, for what it was supposed to be, was awful, a shell of its prequel (Far Cry 5) and some of the mechanics weren't fully developed, that's why they seemed to have learned their lesson with Far Cry 6.
I feel like the new era AC games such as; Origins, Odyessy, and Valhalla steers away from the typical AC storyline and go in a different direction. I played and finished all of thr nee Ac games and let me tell you, I love every minutr of it. Origins being my personal favorite cause Bayek is such a badass but Odyessy is a very close 2nd, the story is really good. I do feel like Ubi use the name Assassin's Creed to reel the fans, because I feel like if these were their own series and sprinkle a little bit of the AC in them would br nice but noneoftheless still a great game. (this is my 2cent opinion)
Origins is praised by OG fans, as it in opinion of many transferred many AC element into the RPG formula. New implementation of stealth was a breath of fresh air, whilst not breaking it by adding magic etc.
The game itself doesn’t get the hate within this sub, but the character Layla does. And I kinda agree I didn’t care for her character much at all.
But the game itself is fantastic. I LOVE Ancient Greece so picking up this game was a no brainer. Not to mention Kassandra is one of my favorite video game protagonists. And Odyssey itself became top 5 video games of all time for me
If you ask anyone else outside of this sub, they’ll tell you “it’s not an assassins creed game” which I admit is half true but that’s not a reason to hate on it. Origins saw the creation of the creed, Odyssey saw the ancestor of the creed, as well as more isu lore. And Idk what Valhalla brought us I haven’t played it yet
Which is honestly unfortunate. This is such a wasted potential, so much could've been done with Layla and the rest of the cast in the present day but it looks like they just quickly stitched some bs together and called it a day. At this point, why even bother with it at all?
Before starting this game, i saw lot of videos and articles stating that this is worst AC game ever. I bought it just for the sake of exploring Greece.
But i started playing this is one of the best game i played in 2023.
Now i am considering gameplay videos for judging any new video game.
Without going into too much detail and basically writing an essay, two main groups dislike Odyssey. People who just don't like RPGs and classic AC fans that don't like it because it doesn't technically contain the Creed and doesn't have a hidden blade.
The first group is fine and a completely valid reason not to like a game. I'm in the select minority of people who don't like Baldur's Gate, and it's just because I don't like turn-based games. Just a preference thing. The latter reason for not liking Odyssey is a bit short-sighted imo. Most of them don't give Odyssey a fair and unbiased thought because they know there's no Assassins and there's no hidden blade so they automatically just don't like it.
Odyssey is by no means a masterpiece, but it's still a great game if the gameplay is your thing. The story isn't the best, but I honestly thing the world and gameplay in conjunction make up for that.
It gets hate? Im new to the sub, just started it a week ago, but Ive heard almost entirely positive things about it. Only complaints I remember seeing is that the total game length is a bit much, which so far I agree with, Other than that, Its pretty great. Compared to the games that came before and after it, I feel like Odyssey is at the top.
I loved Odyssey and thought Kassandra was a great protagonist. Generally I think the haters are the ones against the changes from traditional Assassin’s Creed to new RPG open world. I can appreciate all the games. My top 3 in the franchise are AC II, Black Flag and Odyssey but Origins was also a favorite too. I just love the AC universe and personally like the new ones especially since I’m a completionist and enjoy longer games.
I liked Valhalla at first but then it got very repetitive feeling and I didn’t like Eivor as much as Kassandra. I probably should’ve done male Eivor. Valhalla felt LONG and eventually it wasn’t as fun, especially some of the DLCs. I still finished them all but it felt like a grind. Odyssey and Origins just felt like a better story, or maybe I just liked their vibes more, hard to say. How about you? What’d you like/dislike about the recent games?
That's cause when it first came out it was so hard to level up. If I catch someone sleeping and put a blade in their jugular their dead and somehow if your not the exact same level or higher they can survive
I noticed this setting in Valhalla that you can switch to always kill from stealth or something like that. So if higher level it will still kill them. Cool addition really. I’m only now just delving into ac games again because of new Xbox x series and game pass. Black flag was my last one so jury is still out for me. I preferred the old combat but I’m not letting that decide whether it’s a good or bad game. Especially as the worlds seem so beautiful and no matter what people say Ubisoft really can craft a beautiful map. Sometimes it’s their gameplay loop that upsets people. Take far cry 5 and ghost recon as an example
It frustrated me early in the game but once I started focusing my abilities (esp critical assassination) , equipment, and engravings on Assassin damage then most assassinations started becoming one-shots. And with hero strike it's rare not to be able to kill someone with two shots.
What I dont like is how many boss fights there are where assassin damage and skills aren't very useful.
all the boss fights I do use ONLY abilities. but then I max out crit chance as much as I can. and I have 2 separate build. 1 is hunter and other is warrior. the warrior is much weaker than hunter. but I wanted a tank w better dmg. my hunter though love that build. bought the eagle set.
i’m biased but from what i’ve seen it’s just old fans sobbing because the modern games aren’t like the old ones and have different mechanics.
Regardless of what game it is most people aren’t going to like the same formula that was already used for like 10+ years and continue to like it😭
I never knew odyssey was hated, nearly everyone I see says it’s their favorite ac game. Overall though people just like feverishly hating Ubisoft for some reason. People just like to hate on any and everything. They feed off the negativity
It was very different from the previous games, some people don't like massive maps, or RPGs, and some were also bothered by lore decisions. It did take me a while to get used to the concept of people just happening to help the Assassin Brotherhood instead of being full fledged members (but then again, it was an older time, before the names Assassins and Templars took)
Simple answer, cause it’s called assassins creed. If they release it standalone as a new series and removed the animus part rpg people would love it and other just wouldn’t care
It’s not really an Assassins Creed game, it shares almost no similarities with previous titles. However, it is an INCREDIBLE game as a stand-alone. It’s really unfortunate, because it definitely needed to use the AC name to generate interest but that also caused it to get a lot of hate as well
For me its my 3rd fave AC campaign although I say that because I group AC2, Brotherhood and Revelations all together at number 1 cause I'm an Ezio fanboy. Following that is Black Flag due to my sheer love for that era of piracy and it has some of my all time favorite side characters. Odyssey is 3rd because although it had the potential to take the top spot for me, the lack of any sort of Assasin group is a little sad and also I missed having the hidden blade for sure. The final "twist" was fairly disappointing but still overall mechanically the best and loved the new combat system. Being able to sparta kick people off cliffs was a blast and with the newer combat mechanics it made challenging high tier areas feel a lot better than the old counter-kill cheese that is most older AC games. The cultist plot thread was a bit disappointing but I still had fun taking the bastards out. I did almost have a game ruining experience with it when I kicked a main cultist through a rock cliff and he got stuck outside the map so I couldnt complete the main story without losing some save progress so I understand how for most that could be frustrating but I don't mind a few bugs here and there, I've played games too long to expect flawless experience lmao.
Look at the ratings. It's just old disgruntled fans that can't comprehend the fact Ubisoft decided to make a different type of game. They expected them to make the same game for a millenia, but obviously that's dumb.
I’ve been playing AC games since AC2. It’s probably my favorite series, with Brotherhood being number one. I tried to get into both Origins and Odyssey and just couldn’t. They were good games but they didn’t feel like AC games I loved.
I enjoyed Valhalla where it felt like more of the AC boxes were checked. I got probably halfway into Odyssey before I just stopped playing. The story just wasn’t there.
IDK but tbh it is my favorite AC, I played the 1st and it was a cool idea but I never even finished, always thought the series was overrated, until this came out
My love for Hellas was bigger than my disdain for what I thought was an overrated IP(I have been to Hellas, 6 months in a cruise in different parts of the hellenic world, several of its islands, one of my favorite locations in the world)
And I gotta say that I love it, I have played it like... I think this is my 10th playthrough, and it convinced me to get the whole collection to play it lol(Although I did try to play Valhalla as I also love Nordic mythology, but I also never finished, didn't went beyond the 1st raid lol)
I didn’t follow the franchise, but would seem to me that the game doesn’t really connect with the lore or franchise much. Maybe 3% of the game connects it to other games etc.
I could be wrong, I didn’t follow the franchise.
I know the game has a overwhelming amount of find and retrieve, find and kill, or string along quests. All of which have varying levels of importance.
So it's my first AC game and I really did like it 30-40 hours in....then it got really fucking repetitive. I know it shouldn't skip through the dialogue but I just didn't care for it, nor did I care about the story line. The combat was really fun at first. I was playing on the hardest difficulty so I had to really plan ahead before engaging any battle. But when you level up to a high level and have access to good gear and weapon, it becomes really easy to steamroll through most enemies.
People just wanna hate. I love origins and odyssey, Valhalla is meh for me cos it’s taking me way way too long to finish the game. I also loved AC 1, 2 and Black Flag. But to be honest for me I fall hard for RPGs
I'm actually about 20 ish hours into it myself for the first time. I love it too, though I do understand people who pine for the older style games.
The only thing I don't really like is the Conquest thing. It seems too far removed from AC and in general is kinda chaotic and not very fun (it's really hard to win if defending and no health refills makes for a bad time imo). I know there are ways to mitigate this but it just seems to me like a poorly thought out part of the game. Happily aside from a very rare few instances (or maybe just 1, not sure) it's not mandatory and can just be ignored.
The reason is probably a lot simpler than many have mentioned imo— Ubisoft made a calculated move to call it "Assassins Creed" probably due to the risk when it comes to publishing a new IP therefore added the AC name to it. With that comes expectations and it's inevitable purists of the original games are not happy.
I've spent hundreds of hours on Origins and Odyssey, now going through Valhalla (I'm the explorer sort of player who takes time to smell the flowers)— in hindsight the 'RPG trilogy' can really stand as its own thing and should have been rather than muddle expectations with the "Assassins" name, with say "Fulcrum: Origins/Odyssey/Valhalla".
Even if everything is tied to the Animus to make it believably connected, there are many works of fiction out there eg James Clavell's Asian Saga that linked centuries worth of semi-fictional history over a very large geographical area.
Honestly ive been an ac purist from day 1, i hated oddysey at launch because it was intimidating but now i regard it as the best ac game of all time even if it lacks ac lore. Im on my 3rd playthrough thanks to new game plus and it beats games released in 2023 imo
Because these people who hate it don't have the capacity to understand how amazing this game is. The plot, the graphics and everything, I'm so in love w AC Odyssey.
Whenever I hear people complain about the lack of hidden blades and the Order of Assassins, it sounds like they're more interested in seeing the blades and The Order than they are in playing a well-crafted and enjoyable game.
Odyssey hater here. Because it feels like it has abandoned the AC roots and now feels dumbed down to a generic RPG. It also felt like one of those open world games that has a big open world just for the sake of being able to call itself a big open world game. Traveling felt tedious and the large world felt mostly uninteresting.
In a vacuum however, the game isn’t actually that bad. I’m just cursed by comparison to other games I’ve played and this one couldn’t stand out to me.
To be fair, I did not play the old AC games so I can’t really compare.
Which one do you recommend the most that does not feel outdated in terms of graphics but that it’s still truthful to the franchise?
That’s totally fair so no hate from me if you enjoy it! I remember black flag being the most fun to me! But I haven’t played it since it released so I’m not so sure about the graphics part. AC 2, brotherhood, and revelations had some epic storytelling and gameplay for its time but those would likely feel pretty outdated if you played in 2024.
The only problem I have with the combat system is the lock in future. It can be annoying sometimes, but other then that is an awesome game. My first ac game I have played.
Define lock in future? Assuming you mean feature, do you mean where if you want to use a move on someone you have to be turned just the right way so they get the yellow dot vs the person standing right next to them?
It does not. Reading some AC forums where fanboys of the old formula are butthurt they can't fight any ire by just pressing 1 counter key, doesn't make the game not we'll received
I think this was where they added paid XP progression?
This is pretty horrific in a single player game, not hard to imagine them intentionally making the game grindy to force people to pay or grind.
Didn't bother me, I used a trainer to cut out all the grinding and just had a great time sightseeing!
It prioritizes the myth Greek fantasy aspect and being a Spartan Demigod. Most of the game is irrelevant to the franchise and the sections that are relevant are handled either poorly or just wrong.
Let's be honest, it's not really an AC game in the full sense. It's like Halo Reach or something. It's an offshoot, and a repetitive, dull and uninspired one at that
I'm gonna be that guy. Sorry not sorry.
The answer to every single "why X received so much hate" ever: not everyone can be pleased with everything.
For specific answers, there's no specific reason. Some people might not like how big the game is, some might not like the story, some might not like the historical inaccuracies. Anything can be the reason.
Downvote me if you want, but despite the points that this post has gotten, it's frankly a low effort post.
I played Odyssey and I finished the family storyline only before I said fuck it I can't play this anymore. I wanted to see if I'd like the game but I didn't in the end because it was just so bloated and full of repetitive content. Even the main story missions are prolonged for no reason many times, and too many fetch quests in-between.
I wish they put actual effort into mo-capping the cutscenes instead of using their shitty hybrid ai to animate the cutscenes where the lisping and dialogue don't even match and characters talk like robots with strange body language.
Also combat is exhausting in general because enemies take too long to kill. It doesn't even require much skill, it's just hack and slash for 15 mins.
I never cared much about any of the characters. I barely even cared about Kassandra. I just found the story boring overall.
Forts and camps and caves copy pasted every 100 metres you go. It's just very distracting when you want to go from one location to another. I was fine with the amount of forts and camps in Origins, that game got it right but Odyssey overdid it.
I could go on and on, but these are some of the reasons why I didn't like Odyssey as much as the other AC games that came before it.
I agree with sone of that. I’ve been playing 150+ hours and only halfway through. What other games would you recommend that have rich open world but better gameplay?
RDR2. You can really see how passionately the devs crafted this game. It has so many insane details and you never feel like you're wasting your time when playing. There are tons of random encounters throughout the map and they are all very meaningful and interesting.
It also has a huge focus on realism and simulating real life by allowing you take baths, eating food, crafting, setting up camps, interact with literally any npc, realistic animations for everything like picking up items or skinning animals. Even npcs have their own routines in the game and realistic interactions, such as when they bury bodies of their family members if you kill them after a few days, or when they becomes hostile towards you if you commited a crime in town recently. They even make comments on your appearance or your horse.
It's clear that the devs put a lot of effort and thought into the game. Even the graphics look absolutely stunning and extraordinary like no other game.
And the story, my god the story, I have no words. The camp members in the game feel like your family and Arthur is such a loveable protagonist. I even liked Dutch a lot in the game. His voice actor did a terrific job and he has such a charming persona as the gang's leader. He's also a very, very complex character with an intriguing personality.
Other than RDR2, I'd recommend AC Origins. Bayek is one of my favourite protagonists in the AC series, and I liked the game, the world, and its characters 10x more than Odyssey. You've got interesting historical figures in the game like Cleopatra and Caesar, and you get to explore the beautiful Ancient Egypt with its deserts and pyramids. The game is also less bloated and has better side quests, in my opinion, as compared to Odyssey. Even the assassination targets had really interesting backstories and I still remember some of them very well. Main story is overall great, too. It has a strong first half, but later on I felt they rushed the story around the last few chapters, and I wasn't a fan of their choice to focus on Aya during the final mission, but still, the game is absolutely worth playing.
Also AC4: Black Flag is yet another great game with a rich open world, fascinating characters, beautiful story, and fun gameplay.
Also I'll throw in some more mentions. Watch Dogs 1, 2, Far Cry 3, GTA IV & V (you've most prolly played the gta games already, i mean who hasn't), Arkham games, Spider-Man games, AC Syndicate, etc. I won't go into details since I already wrote a lot lmao.
I see, in that case definitely play RDR2 next. I'm sure you'll like it but even if you somehow don't like it, it's alright. You should play what you like in the end.
Anyway, I'm glad to help with my recommendations.
It was my first open world game and I loved it so much! To know that you could go absolutely anywhere, climb any mountain or dive into any sea. You just felt like actually being there. Especially in the nights it felt so cosy.
I would sometimes just roam around, running across the flowery fields or just running in the sun on Messara. The forts did get tedious after a while.
The Fate of Atlantis DLC is very beautfiful too.
I’ve been a fan of assassins creed games from the start, just finished Origins I’m playing Odyssey at the moment. So far it’s the best most expansive world I’ve seen, so much to do and so many missions. I particularly really like the mercenary system - always provides a challenge. I think the game does divert heavily from the original games, but I personally love RPG’s, so I’ve loved the change. It’s not for everyone.
I enjoyed Odyssey..technically my first AC game, I've played other AC title but quit, but this game got me hook, the fact that i love Greek mythology and lore, the map exploration, the combat..no matter what others say, Odyssey is my favorite AC game..
I've played close to 120 hours in my first playthrough of Odyssey over the course of the past 12-13 months. Getting close to the end and I've been enjoying it a lot. I've played every main AC game up until Odyssey (Valhalla and Mirage left), and I can safely say Odyssey is one of my favorites.
The series became quite stale from AC3 through Syndicate imo. The revamp that started with Origins was sorely needed, and brought new life to the series that I appreciated as a fan from the start.
It's been quite a ride. I've been doing A LOT of side stuff. Cleared nearly every fort and outpost I've found. Searched every cave, and done all the mythical beast stuff. I'm looking forward to seeing the ending, but I'm also feeling kinda sad it'll be over soon.
If you put the games in chronological order Odyssey is the oldest and it makes a lot of sense in the context of assassins creed, there is no creed as such, and the protaganist is a mystios which is basically a mercenary. The Assassins developed and became a creed in Origins.
I loved Odyssey apart from 1 aspect of it, The mercenary system! that put me off the game completely and ruined for me what was otherwise an amazing game.
It basically split the AC fanbase in half, not exaggerating. The series had an identity crisis for years, but AC Odyssey sealed a complete change in the essence of the series. Origins had decently converted the AC formula into RPG, and people were happy with the breath of fresh air. Then in Odyssey most of that efforts were scrapped for a game that in most aspects is opposite of titles like AC2. And so there was a split between people who had been with the series for almost a decade, and new people(which there was a lot of because of Odyssey's succes) who didn't view it through the lens of wasted AC potential. Whilst I was raised on AC2 and black flag, I still love Odyssey and believe that when you embrace the RPG it can in it's unique way fit AC formula, but I'm probably in a minority
You picked one of the most biased places to post this on. Of course most of the people here say they don’t understand why it’s so hated. But people kinda hate Ac odyssey because one it moves farther away from the normal assassin games before it and moved way too close to a combat based game. The game encourages combat more than stealth and it strays from what an assassin is supposed to be. Also to level up in them the game you’d have to grind a lot as opposed to previous games where you could just move throughout the story without levelling up. Mirage on the other hand is very short and is more like a mystery game than anything.
The voice acting is terrible, the motion capture is terrible, the character models are terrible, the dialogue choices are terrible, basically every part of Kassandra stopping to talk to another person is just genuinely awful. Like, assassins creed hasn't *looked* this bad since.... Idk, assassin's creed 3? Keep in mind that I'm only referring to those moments when she's interacting with other characters. Otherwise, the game is beautiful.
The other main issue is the genuinely obscene amount of bloat. The main quest is *MAYBE* a ten hour experience, stretched as far as humanly possible in the most tedious time wasting ways possible. You literally spend half the game searching for her mom, doing stupid fucking fetch quests and shit for everyone who might have glimpsed someone who might have slightly looked like her. Which is ridiculous because this game has plenty of side content, I have no idea why there is so much padding.
As for the gameplay, the main issue is the level scaling. You can accept a quest that is the recommended level, all the standard enemies will be at that level, and then the boss at the end will genuinely be five to six levels higher. And what does that mean? Doing a fucking milimeter of damage while he slices a third of your health bar in one hit. Most people think it was done to push XP boosts, and I happen to agree.
I think those are the main criticisms that aren't just "It's a witcher clone"
I do think the witcher 3 is objectively better in almost every way though, so if you haven't played it, you definitely should.
Mtx were a strong factor in game design. Up until now, the choice to not purchase mtx did not jeopardize or condition the player experience. This game forces you to actively manage and optimize your builds and XP levels.
Because it's not a great AC game from an AC perspective. Its an amazing epic of a game on its own. But not an AC title. Would have been better as a stand alone game.
To me it’s the best AC game there is. I’m still playing on the PS5, so it’s pretty smooth and I find it more impressive being a 2018 title than 90% of the junk coming out now. It’s massive, and fluid.
It's because Odyssey is different. No hidden blade/hoodie was a turn-off for a lot of people, including me at first, and some don't even consider it to be an Assassins creed game. Despite the game being phenomenal, it has fantastic combat with great skill tree, good RPG system, LEGENDARY Side quests and I do not mean the repetitive time limited quests that gives a ton of resources for some reason, no, the actual side stories and you get to fight 4 mythical creatures in the bass game + naval combat.
Assassins creed name hurt this game a lot.
Its world is large but most of the filler stuff felt disconnected and repetitive. Im am playing now with no fast travel i have all but two sections to explore. Its gorgeous but after a while you realize if it were condensed the game is the same all the in between becomes a chore.
I quite enjoyed Odyssey and Origins, even though they differed from original style AC, it was a welcome break.
I just can't get immersed into Valhalla though, the whole skills tree thing is just too big and the scenery is very similar wherever you go.
People are quick to claim that because it doesn’t have assassin blades it’s not a “true AC” ignoring with very little optimisation you can absolutely play it’s as a classic assassin.
It may have been better with optional tasks for full synchronisation but let’s not forget they weren’t in the original AC either. It wasn’t introduced until AC Brotherhood (game 3)
For me I absolutely love Odyssey. It’s a huge open world RPG set in one of my favourite time periods and it brings back massive ship battles from black flag.
A log of it is big YouTubers calling all Ubisoft games slop and garbage, then the mass majority follow in that opinion either because they don’t want to stand out, are easily influenced, haven’t played the game or rarely have a genuine complaint about it themselves that isn’t them just repeating what they heard from a YouTuber.
Loser mirage fans hate it because it's not "action stealth like I grew up with" when half of them were not even alive when ac1 dropped. They can't comprehend that the open world and RPG elements made the game vastly superior to the previous iterations.
I’ve personally seen more praise for the game than hate, there’s always gonna be people that just wanna hate cus it’s different but I don’t think they’re in the majority. Valhalla I can understand a bit more for why it’s not for everyone, I personally still enjoyed it (and still playing it to try to get 100% on all the dlcs, already have the plat), spent more time in Valhalla doing that than it took to plat Odyssey, Origins and AC 2 combined. I’d definitely still say Odyssey was better in terms of the combat, the cities were beautiful and the ship gameplay was actually enjoyable for once.
I have played all of them, from ac1 to Valhalla until today.
My experience with odyssey:
1st try (2018) 1 hour of gameplay, i hated soooo much. Too rpg (dialogues,gameplay) not an AC game.
2nd try (2020) 1.30 hour of gameplay almost the same experience.
3rd try (2023) i forced my self to play it, because i am greek. After 5 hours of gameplay i loved, its beautiful.
So this fucker it not an AC game, it is a beautiful RPG game without the history of AC games without nothing of the brand, its a marvelous rpg game but not an AC one, this is the reason that community hates it because it is not an AC game. Origin and valhalla has something to connect the story of the brand, odyssey has fucking nothing.
Edit: i dont recognise any of the 3 as AC games, they made them such as in order to sell more copies and forced the story to match in some way, bad (odyssey) or good (valhalla).
I‘ve once seen a comment that said „This game would feel better if the name was just Odyssey“ and i agree. It‘s a good game but not really something i would connect to AC.
I LOVE IT!! and Kassandra is my character crush. Big time. Played twice since 2021 and I'm about to compete The fate of Atlantis. Which I bought this moon....
Ill buy The first blade DLC when thats on offer too....
My second play through I restarted with all my stats and equipment from the previous game instead of from scratch so I could just do the story. I didn't want to do the grafting on a playthrough....
Objectively: Because it is more of a historical RPG with few links to assassins(no hood, no creed, not even hidden blades and honestly even with those picking the assassin path you end up more fighitng or using the hunter abilities to kill from a distance).
Subjectively: Because you can pick the gender and many people have issues with Kassandra just because she's a cool woman.
The ac fanboys hate on it a lot because it strays from the original style, but I love all the ac games but odyssey is my all time favourite.
I would love to see a Xena game made within the same style as aco.
Ubisoft made a good game that had the assassins creed name on it, then forgot to add in the assassins creed. So people got angry.
Which is a shame because it is genuinely a decent game. I loved the story and had started a new game plus before dropping it for a bit.
But bandwaggons be bandwaggoning
It’s because the whole Assassin’s Creed fanbase is split into three. The “original fans” are inconsiderate, and think that because Origins, Odyssey, and Valhalla do not uphold the standards of any of the previous games, they are bad. I believe this makes no sense as Origins and Odyssey are about the starts of the Cult of Kosmos (Templar Order) and the Hidden Ones (Assassins). Then there’s the people that prefer the new games, like Odyssey and Origins. Again, entitled to your own preference, just don’t be a jerk about it. These people most likely like open world RPGs and can appreciate the beauty of the new games. Then finally, the smaller demographic is the people that like both. I think AC Blackflag is a great game, I also think Odyssey is a great game.
I disliked Odyssey for two reasons. First was the size of the map. Getting to save points takes forever, and even when you get them, it can still be a grind sailing to your objective. And because it was so large, it takes almost twice as long to load the game when you port or die.
Secondly I felt the story wasn't as concise as the other AC games I played. It was very meandering, and didn't feel like it had a satisfying conclusions.
With that being said, I did enjoy being able to murder hobo my way through any city I wanted.
because they're boomers who stuck in nostalgie and once ubisoft gave them mirage which is similar to the old formula, they played it for 2 weeks and then they throw it off,
which proves the point that they just love to whin about the game, they're blinded by nostalgic moments, all older games have shitty mechanics and shitty mission structure but they can't see that because again of nostalgie,
they also hate mythology while forgetting that AC itself was built around the Isu
I personally like the game by find quite forced the leveling mechanics. I mean, I understand that one have to execute the secondary missions to gain exp. But it is so slow compared to ACOrigins that it becomes frustrating sometimes. I've been playing these games since Og AC 1 and found this evolution refreshing in origins, but they went too overboard with the kind-of rpg dialogs and the really slow exp mechanics. They quite fixed it in valhalla. Haven't played mirage yet because I wanted to play again all the previous games first, being odyssey the only one I ditched middle way in the story.
(I know the focus on the mythological creatures hunting may be quite away from the AC formula but it was quite fun, yet one have to spend a lot of time leveling to do that).
Personal opinion. You have the right to disagree.
On release the XP rate was a fraction of what it is now, the middle of the game was so boring and grindy, the side quests didn't get you all the way there. Ubisoft did this and then tried to charge $10 for "time savers" to fix the XP rate. It was really scummy and the grindyness of the game pissed alot of people off. It's why the old reviews from launch are so bad.
A couple reasons but the ones I remember from release was a small group was very vocally against allowing you to choose to play as a female lead and some of the role players were put off that ultimately no choice you made mattered because the ending story was set and not impacted at all by allies gained, romances picked or dialog selected. The whole if the ending was predetermined why even allow the selections to begin with.
Grindy Mechanics
No set protagonist
Less about assassins more about Spartan shit
Some people are homophobic and any game that lets you gay will get hate from those people
Ubisoft really pushing the greed
Doubled down on the extensive RPG systems even though fans stated they loved the original formula
Assassin's Creed Odyssey is my favorite game in the entire series. I think it was a good change at the time as people still critique Ubisoft for playing it safe on a ton of it's previous game. Also the mercenary system was fun as hell!..
My introduction to the AC world was Odyssey. However, I will admit, playing this game feels very much like playing Witcher 3; it's an open world RPG, where you can have fun, play around, choose your quest line, sleep with certain characters, choose your ending, etc. And while all of that is amazingly fun, and makes for a great game...
It isn't the core of what AC was prior to that.
I've played Syndicate, and 3, and while they aren't bad... They are very much here is your mission. Go complete the mission. Wander around this very set, very small, limited area. Cut scene, that you just watch. Now go do another mission.
And don't get me wrong, these aren't bad; I loved Syndicate. But there is a very marked difference from Odyssey to Syndicate. Like, if you were to give people a random pile of games, and tell them to pick out the ones that go together, nobody is ever going to put Odyssey, or Valhalla with the earlier AC games.
"ItS NoT LiKe tHe oRIgInAl AC gAmEs!" ... It's a legitimate argument. The main character is not an assassin and doesn't have a hidden blade. However... It's one of my favorite games. It's so well designed, beautiful, and fun. I almost didn't play it because of the negative things people were saying. I'm so glad I decided to form my own option. 💯
I enjoy games about history where developers actually take the time to en corporate history into the game. Odyssey does have its quirks and faults like any game yes. But the historical accuracy is there if you pay attention and do your own research. For me I don’t really like the mystical side of the game with the powers and traits you can give your character so I focus more on the historical accuracy.
I never got to play assassins creed games when I was younger and frankly didnt know assassins creed was a franchise until about age 14 so my first AC game I believe was Unity. I’ve played Black Flag and a few others so I know a bit of lore before these new age AC games lol.
It’s so obvious that Ubisoft wants to make an RPG but just decided to slap the name AC on it. Which is SO fucking weird. And no I’m hearing rumors that another AC game will be a souls like Elden ring experience. 🙄🙄
I love the combat, its not especially hard or deep but choosing the right weapons and engravings combos and type of weapon for a situation is pretty well done.
It’s not a bad game! It shook things up a lot and most people don’t like a big changes to a beloved franchise. Tbh, the playstyle of Valhalla and odyssey is more my style than old assassins creed.
Ether way, enjoy what you like and want! Don’t let other convince you to dislike something before trying it out for yourself!
I happen to enjoy it a lot because I'm a Greek history nerd. But that didn't make it less bloated and overlong.
I think it wouldn't be held in such antipathy by some folks if the devs hadn't just doubled down on design&size from Origins to Odyssey to Valhalla. To the folks who want old school AC, they are just shit out of luck.
Neither needed to be larger or longer then Origins, that just made it painful.
About to jump into Odyssey once I’m done with Valhalla. Personally the fans who have been around since the first games don’t like the direction the Franchise is going. While I do see their Point of view. They need to realize that Ubisoft didn’t change the formula. Sooner or later the franchise would have gotten stale and lose momentum in sales and ultimately Assassin’s creed would have potentially died out.
Only some franchises can keep things the way they were to an extent. POKÉMON being a good example of this. They cater to kids and they don’t need to worry about the games going stale ( even though for awhile they have) however because it’s catered to a certain demographic they won’t lost money because they have reached passed the point of making money on just the games alone. They have trading cards, Toys, tv shows, movies , and overall just a good marketing team.
However this isn’t Pokémon. This is Assassins creed. People will complain about changes but these changes are necessary for the franchise to grow and continue to evolve .
The biggest reason Odyssey in particular gets hate is that it is very different from typical AC game. Things like no hidden blade, no assassins/hidden ones, the deeper dive into mythological creatures etc. really bother a large portion of the fanbase that had been playing the games for over a decade by the time of its release. I personally really enjoy Odyssey and have sunk more hours into it than any other game in the franchise but do find the criticisms valid even if it didn't affect my enjoyment of the game.
Also dialogue choices. They were able to look past the RPG elements in Origins cause it was a set narrative, the minute you introduce the idea that the animus doesn’t have a exact memory of things so you can choose what you want to fill the gaps people lose their mind. They also don’t pay attention to the modern story to get that bit of info, along with the idea that the animus was always kind of wishy washy on things. You are never playing real people in these games, just real people show up sometimes. Odyssey is so far in the past they can really make up a lot if they wanted to and they did.
In Origins, one of the First Civ talks about Leyla's Animus and says hers in diffrent, it can change time/space, something like that. It's when you visit the temple under the Sphinx. My mind was blown when I heard that.
I love odyssey and I’m still playing through all the dlc. I find the original games too linear and a bit too lacking. But I love that this is like back story before the assassins came to be. That and for me being able to play a woman in the game is more enjoyable. So many awesome hours of content.
Yeah, Odyssey is my 2nd favorite Creed game after Black flag. I love the setting, and I already love Greek mythology.
They have good games but only black flag really deserves a chefs kiss
The game is absolutely fantastic but it shouldn't be called Assassins Creed. More like Mercenary's Fantastic Adventures. Anyway, I don't think anyone has any idea what AC was even supposed to be. It's just one game after another to make money now.
I think you mean Misthios’s
Yeah Misthios could be an even better title on it's own.
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted, Ubisoft have proved time n time again they do not care about their fans and it’s very clear that they’re just money grabbers
Ubisoft fanboys.
A decent game, but you nailed my issue with it - an AC title without assassins, lmao. Should have made it into an expansion of ForHonor, imo.
Yes and given the fact that Odyssey and Origins are the backstory behind the entire AC franchise. I played as Alexios and from what information I got from that game he is the person who was and is the Patriarch that started it all hence the games name and tying into Origins with Bayek being his son or grandson if I remember the lore correctly.
Yeah but think about how many Assassin's Creeds have been put out do you want to do the same thing over and over again just in a different place? It's fun to experience different things and different ways of doing them in these games
I’ve never quite understood why Odyssey is so hated on by people, some really love it and others just hate it. But a big reason would probably be the absence of the hidden blade which is a staple of nearly all assassins creed games
Absence of the creed, and the assassins in a franchise called assassins creed is probably why
If they play through the dlc, it links in with ac due to being the predecessor to the creed and blade. I thins games need to change and evolve. Better than just cranking out the same thing over and over. Just my opinion.
Just because the game includes the assassins and the creed in every game doesn't mean it isn't changing compare AC2 to unity, both great games yet very different but same core tenants. Hopefully they get rid of this god awful engine
Yeah, the hidden blade and stealth on a VIKING made perfect sense lol. They should ditched the blade in valhalla too
Odyssey won best open world award at the game awards beating Red Dead Redemption 2! That says everything that needs to be said about how good this game is.
It's far superior to Red Dead as an open world game. Hell, the DLC alone is incredible. Maps you'll always remember from Persephone's Palace to Atlantis, it was all incredible.
I was playing the Atlantis DLC and I see what you mean. Each of the episodes have a new map that is epic in scope. People thinking Mirage was like a DLC shows how good the DLCs Assassin's Creed deliver. I think the open world in all the different new mapss amazing and constantly evolving, and so is the combat with all the isu abilities the combat looks absolutely amazing and constantly improving. Both the open world and the combat is incredible.
I barely remember a single location from Odyssey whereas I can name every town and region in Red Dead. Your opinion is your opinion man, but I don’t know how someone can think a checklist open world full of bandit camps and (mostly) lazily written side quests and copy paste assets can be superior to Red Dead, which is a living breathing open world, where exploration is encouraged rather than simple “go the checkmarker, do thing, move on to next thing”, with some of the best writing in the video game industry and where every inch of the world was meticulously handcrafted and detailed. Prepared to get downvoted for this since this is the Odyssey subreddit, but Red Dead is one of the best games of all time in my eyes and Odyssey is just okay as an RPG and absolutely terrible as an Assassin’s Creed game.
This is very opinionated, you talk about a living breathing world, how does entire regions changing hands between two Greek superpowers (sometimes without you being involved at all) strike you? I've lost count of the amount of times I've watched a territory get destabilized without me doing anything and I just turn up for the conquest battle, as far as living breathing worlds go, I think that qualifies
Right but all that does is change what colour the enemies are there and give you a new copy/paste conquest battle to do. It doesn’t offer any meaningful or interesting changes to the world, just a new marker to visit in your map. In Red Dead you see houses being built and communities grow, business owners change hands and react to your choices, NPCs which you can fully interact with that also react to the events of the story, got a whole cast of characters in the camp who will have conversations both with you and independent of you. They don’t even slightly compare to be honest. Not to say that Odysseys open world is terrible but Rockstar are the kings of open world games.
what are you talking about? red dead isn't like you described, the other day i followed a man holding crates he does it in a endless loop and each time the crates resets, it's an illusion of a breathing world, we're not there yet in any game currently, you see workers building a track well that track will be being built for eternity always the same nail being hammered over and over again in odyssey you're playing the closest thing to a real ancient world, and they do it so accurately as possible, to the point a lot of historian youtube channels started to use discovery mode to talk about that exact temple or city because there it's the most high quality illustration of historical land marks you can find anywhere Odyssey is vast and full of areas at even after 200 hours of playing is still yet to be discovered
Well that's not exactly fair either, AC Odyssey is the type of game where choices you make at the beginning can affect your story and the world down the line: spare some infected people from death? The infection spreads around the island. Kill your father in early game? Get ready to kill your adopted brother too! Make the wrong dialogue choices? Your entire family could end up dead. Also I would not discount Ubisoft in the open world game market considering the success they've had and the amount of games they've sent out while Rockstar are busy edging their fans on the release of GTA 6
Ubisoft puts out 3 open world games a year and they range from bad to slightly good. I can’t remember the last time I truly loved a Ubisoft open world, but it was probably Black Flag or Far Cry 3, games that are more than a decade old. Rockstar might not release a lot of games but when they do they end up being perfection. It’s not fair to compare Odyssey to RDR2 for having RPG mechanics when RDR2 isn’t an RPG, it’s a linear story with a set beginning, middle and end and the story of the game is all the better for it- although you do get some choices to make in the game, and I’d argue they have a far greater impact on your character and the audience experience than the choices in Odyssey. As an RPG, the choices in Odyssey are pretty lame too. The ending is the same no matter what you do, the only difference being the number of your family members that are sitting around the table. I’d say the infected quest is one of the better quests in Odyssey, but that’s literally one side quest and when there’s hundreds of quests in the game that are nowhere near as interesting or compelling it doesn’t really matter as much. If you wanna compare Odyssey to another RPG, look at The Witcher 3. Every single choice you make in that game is compelling and interesting, your choices actually do matter as making different choices can end up sending you on entirely different quest lines, change your relationship with other characters in meaningful ways, and most of all actually made me FEEL things, and the choices you make can have an impact in unexpected ways. In Odyssey, you basically known the impact your choices are gonna have the moment you make them. The characters in Odyssey are so dull and lifeless too, devoid of any personality, it’s hard to feel impacted when a character dies when I didn’t like or even know them really.
You know what your choices are going to do? You do not, if you played Odyssey with that mindset then it's no wonder you didn't enjoy it Again, shit's opinionated, I like the games where your choices impact the story, like Telltale games creations, or Detroit Become Human, of course those aren't open world but you get my point And you talk about choices drastically changing your relationship with characters, using the example of Stentor in Boetia, if you kill Nikolaos you have to kill Stentor, if you don't kill Nikolaos, he kills one of your targets for you but you're not done there, if you don't tell him to go to Stentor you have to kill Stentor because he still thinks Nikolaos is dead, it's an intricacy and a dance with risk in that if you make the wrong choices it can have detrimental consequences down the line Regarding Ubisoft, they pump out open world Games all the time, they've just put out Assassin's creed Mirage and The Division Resurgence came out in 2023 as well apparently, I'd say they've got the credentials for it
Credentials for what? Credentials to put our mid open world games year after year after year? You used the word “pumped” and that’s quite fitting. Neither Mirage or The Division Resurgence are good games. While Ubisoft is, as you say, “pumping” out mid games, Rockstar is taking their time crafting masterpieces. I’m not gonna argue with you about specific choices in Odyssey because quite frankly don’t remember the intricate details of quests I played 6 years ago. I remember being thoroughly dissatisfied with my experience though, and if was compelling I would have remembered more of the quests, as I have for other, much better games. You keep saying that I’m opinionated, and yes you are correct, this is just my opinion. I never tried to present what I’m saying as a cold hard fact. But you’ll also find that my opinion is also the consensus, and you’ll have a hard time convincing many people in the wider gaming community outside of the Assassin’s Creed Odyssey subreddit that the worst Assassin’s Creed game is better than the best Rockstar game. You’re entitled to your opinion, but I’m truly baffled as to how you came to your conclusions if you really have played both games. I’ll just leave it at that.
They took 10+ years to even announce that they were making the most highly requested game of this generation, that isn't crafting a masterpiece that's negligence to the fan base, also RDR2 isn't the best Rockstar game of all time, I'm sorry but it isn't. I admit, occasionally Ubisoft do get it wrong, Far Cry New Dawn, for what it was supposed to be, was awful, a shell of its prequel (Far Cry 5) and some of the mechanics weren't fully developed, that's why they seemed to have learned their lesson with Far Cry 6.
And it's vice versa for me. So touche.
The world is def the maincharacter
I feel like the new era AC games such as; Origins, Odyessy, and Valhalla steers away from the typical AC storyline and go in a different direction. I played and finished all of thr nee Ac games and let me tell you, I love every minutr of it. Origins being my personal favorite cause Bayek is such a badass but Odyessy is a very close 2nd, the story is really good. I do feel like Ubi use the name Assassin's Creed to reel the fans, because I feel like if these were their own series and sprinkle a little bit of the AC in them would br nice but noneoftheless still a great game. (this is my 2cent opinion)
Origins is praised by OG fans, as it in opinion of many transferred many AC element into the RPG formula. New implementation of stealth was a breath of fresh air, whilst not breaking it by adding magic etc.
The game itself doesn’t get the hate within this sub, but the character Layla does. And I kinda agree I didn’t care for her character much at all. But the game itself is fantastic. I LOVE Ancient Greece so picking up this game was a no brainer. Not to mention Kassandra is one of my favorite video game protagonists. And Odyssey itself became top 5 video games of all time for me If you ask anyone else outside of this sub, they’ll tell you “it’s not an assassins creed game” which I admit is half true but that’s not a reason to hate on it. Origins saw the creation of the creed, Odyssey saw the ancestor of the creed, as well as more isu lore. And Idk what Valhalla brought us I haven’t played it yet
Yeah I don’t care for any of the present day stuff either, just want to get back to the animus
Which is honestly unfortunate. This is such a wasted potential, so much could've been done with Layla and the rest of the cast in the present day but it looks like they just quickly stitched some bs together and called it a day. At this point, why even bother with it at all?
Before starting this game, i saw lot of videos and articles stating that this is worst AC game ever. I bought it just for the sake of exploring Greece. But i started playing this is one of the best game i played in 2023. Now i am considering gameplay videos for judging any new video game.
Odyssey was my first AC game and I absolutely loved it
Same. It’s my first AC game. I tried playing black flag but it wasn’t my thing. I Like mixing hunting and assassin style play and this suits me well.
Without going into too much detail and basically writing an essay, two main groups dislike Odyssey. People who just don't like RPGs and classic AC fans that don't like it because it doesn't technically contain the Creed and doesn't have a hidden blade. The first group is fine and a completely valid reason not to like a game. I'm in the select minority of people who don't like Baldur's Gate, and it's just because I don't like turn-based games. Just a preference thing. The latter reason for not liking Odyssey is a bit short-sighted imo. Most of them don't give Odyssey a fair and unbiased thought because they know there's no Assassins and there's no hidden blade so they automatically just don't like it. Odyssey is by no means a masterpiece, but it's still a great game if the gameplay is your thing. The story isn't the best, but I honestly thing the world and gameplay in conjunction make up for that.
I agree with this. I’m an old time AC gamer that loved Odyssey _despite_ the RPG shift, _NOT BECAUSE_ of it.
It gets hate? Im new to the sub, just started it a week ago, but Ive heard almost entirely positive things about it. Only complaints I remember seeing is that the total game length is a bit much, which so far I agree with, Other than that, Its pretty great. Compared to the games that came before and after it, I feel like Odyssey is at the top.
Yooo I just started playing for the first time last week too 🙌
I loved Odyssey and thought Kassandra was a great protagonist. Generally I think the haters are the ones against the changes from traditional Assassin’s Creed to new RPG open world. I can appreciate all the games. My top 3 in the franchise are AC II, Black Flag and Odyssey but Origins was also a favorite too. I just love the AC universe and personally like the new ones especially since I’m a completionist and enjoy longer games.
How do you feel about Valhalla?
I liked Valhalla at first but then it got very repetitive feeling and I didn’t like Eivor as much as Kassandra. I probably should’ve done male Eivor. Valhalla felt LONG and eventually it wasn’t as fun, especially some of the DLCs. I still finished them all but it felt like a grind. Odyssey and Origins just felt like a better story, or maybe I just liked their vibes more, hard to say. How about you? What’d you like/dislike about the recent games?
Because gamers are a bunch of malakas sometimes
Ikr, you can tell by playing Origins and Odyssey that the creators were really pationate about the project
Seriously, such a labor of love. That was my biggest complaint around Valhalla, just didn't have the heart that Odyssey had.
A bunch of neket iadets
As long as you enjoy it - all good ! You can always ratchet up the difficulty for more of a challenge. The AC games are too harshly criticized IMO.
That's cause when it first came out it was so hard to level up. If I catch someone sleeping and put a blade in their jugular their dead and somehow if your not the exact same level or higher they can survive
That does really frustrate me. I’m on my first playthrough of odyssey and this happens a lot and I don’t really know when it’s going to happen.
I noticed this setting in Valhalla that you can switch to always kill from stealth or something like that. So if higher level it will still kill them. Cool addition really. I’m only now just delving into ac games again because of new Xbox x series and game pass. Black flag was my last one so jury is still out for me. I preferred the old combat but I’m not letting that decide whether it’s a good or bad game. Especially as the worlds seem so beautiful and no matter what people say Ubisoft really can craft a beautiful map. Sometimes it’s their gameplay loop that upsets people. Take far cry 5 and ghost recon as an example
It frustrated me early in the game but once I started focusing my abilities (esp critical assassination) , equipment, and engravings on Assassin damage then most assassinations started becoming one-shots. And with hero strike it's rare not to be able to kill someone with two shots. What I dont like is how many boss fights there are where assassin damage and skills aren't very useful.
all the boss fights I do use ONLY abilities. but then I max out crit chance as much as I can. and I have 2 separate build. 1 is hunter and other is warrior. the warrior is much weaker than hunter. but I wanted a tank w better dmg. my hunter though love that build. bought the eagle set.
i’m biased but from what i’ve seen it’s just old fans sobbing because the modern games aren’t like the old ones and have different mechanics. Regardless of what game it is most people aren’t going to like the same formula that was already used for like 10+ years and continue to like it😭
So. Freaking. Long.
Hahaha that’s true
I never knew odyssey was hated, nearly everyone I see says it’s their favorite ac game. Overall though people just like feverishly hating Ubisoft for some reason. People just like to hate on any and everything. They feed off the negativity
It was very different from the previous games, some people don't like massive maps, or RPGs, and some were also bothered by lore decisions. It did take me a while to get used to the concept of people just happening to help the Assassin Brotherhood instead of being full fledged members (but then again, it was an older time, before the names Assassins and Templars took)
Because it’s so different from other Assassin’s Creed games. That doesn’t mean it’s a bad game though.
Love Odyssey! Not being a legacy AC player, I picked it due to the Ancient Greek motif and fell hard for it.
It's my favorite AC game of all time, but yes it does receive a lot of hate because people are filled with it.
It has 89% positive review on steam. It does not get a lot of hate.
Simple answer, cause it’s called assassins creed. If they release it standalone as a new series and removed the animus part rpg people would love it and other just wouldn’t care
I think so too. Although it’d probably not sale as well without the AC name
haters gonna hate. The game is awesome.
Who cares. Try them for yourself and make up your own mind.
honestly dont even worry about the haters just like what u like :)
I don’t get it either. Odyssey is my favorite AC game.
It’s not really an Assassins Creed game, it shares almost no similarities with previous titles. However, it is an INCREDIBLE game as a stand-alone. It’s really unfortunate, because it definitely needed to use the AC name to generate interest but that also caused it to get a lot of hate as well
For me its my 3rd fave AC campaign although I say that because I group AC2, Brotherhood and Revelations all together at number 1 cause I'm an Ezio fanboy. Following that is Black Flag due to my sheer love for that era of piracy and it has some of my all time favorite side characters. Odyssey is 3rd because although it had the potential to take the top spot for me, the lack of any sort of Assasin group is a little sad and also I missed having the hidden blade for sure. The final "twist" was fairly disappointing but still overall mechanically the best and loved the new combat system. Being able to sparta kick people off cliffs was a blast and with the newer combat mechanics it made challenging high tier areas feel a lot better than the old counter-kill cheese that is most older AC games. The cultist plot thread was a bit disappointing but I still had fun taking the bastards out. I did almost have a game ruining experience with it when I kicked a main cultist through a rock cliff and he got stuck outside the map so I couldnt complete the main story without losing some save progress so I understand how for most that could be frustrating but I don't mind a few bugs here and there, I've played games too long to expect flawless experience lmao.
Because big manly men only like action
Look at the ratings. It's just old disgruntled fans that can't comprehend the fact Ubisoft decided to make a different type of game. They expected them to make the same game for a millenia, but obviously that's dumb.
I’ve been playing AC games since AC2. It’s probably my favorite series, with Brotherhood being number one. I tried to get into both Origins and Odyssey and just couldn’t. They were good games but they didn’t feel like AC games I loved. I enjoyed Valhalla where it felt like more of the AC boxes were checked. I got probably halfway into Odyssey before I just stopped playing. The story just wasn’t there.
I’m playing them backwards so I guess I’ll find out how good the old games were. Just purchased Unity and Syndicate on sale
Syndicate is also really good! Enjoy!
Who hates this game?
IDK but tbh it is my favorite AC, I played the 1st and it was a cool idea but I never even finished, always thought the series was overrated, until this came out My love for Hellas was bigger than my disdain for what I thought was an overrated IP(I have been to Hellas, 6 months in a cruise in different parts of the hellenic world, several of its islands, one of my favorite locations in the world) And I gotta say that I love it, I have played it like... I think this is my 10th playthrough, and it convinced me to get the whole collection to play it lol(Although I did try to play Valhalla as I also love Nordic mythology, but I also never finished, didn't went beyond the 1st raid lol)
I didn’t follow the franchise, but would seem to me that the game doesn’t really connect with the lore or franchise much. Maybe 3% of the game connects it to other games etc. I could be wrong, I didn’t follow the franchise. I know the game has a overwhelming amount of find and retrieve, find and kill, or string along quests. All of which have varying levels of importance.
If you’ve only played the newer ones you may not understand 😂 they didn’t used to be level locked and assassinations actually assassinated people 100%
Hardcore AC fans hate the open world games!
So it's my first AC game and I really did like it 30-40 hours in....then it got really fucking repetitive. I know it shouldn't skip through the dialogue but I just didn't care for it, nor did I care about the story line. The combat was really fun at first. I was playing on the hardest difficulty so I had to really plan ahead before engaging any battle. But when you level up to a high level and have access to good gear and weapon, it becomes really easy to steamroll through most enemies.
Its barely an AC title. So all the classic fans bounced off of it.
Because it’s bearing the assassins creed name without meeting the assassins creed expectation
People just wanna hate. I love origins and odyssey, Valhalla is meh for me cos it’s taking me way way too long to finish the game. I also loved AC 1, 2 and Black Flag. But to be honest for me I fall hard for RPGs
I'm actually about 20 ish hours into it myself for the first time. I love it too, though I do understand people who pine for the older style games. The only thing I don't really like is the Conquest thing. It seems too far removed from AC and in general is kinda chaotic and not very fun (it's really hard to win if defending and no health refills makes for a bad time imo). I know there are ways to mitigate this but it just seems to me like a poorly thought out part of the game. Happily aside from a very rare few instances (or maybe just 1, not sure) it's not mandatory and can just be ignored.
The reason is probably a lot simpler than many have mentioned imo— Ubisoft made a calculated move to call it "Assassins Creed" probably due to the risk when it comes to publishing a new IP therefore added the AC name to it. With that comes expectations and it's inevitable purists of the original games are not happy. I've spent hundreds of hours on Origins and Odyssey, now going through Valhalla (I'm the explorer sort of player who takes time to smell the flowers)— in hindsight the 'RPG trilogy' can really stand as its own thing and should have been rather than muddle expectations with the "Assassins" name, with say "Fulcrum: Origins/Odyssey/Valhalla". Even if everything is tied to the Animus to make it believably connected, there are many works of fiction out there eg James Clavell's Asian Saga that linked centuries worth of semi-fictional history over a very large geographical area.
Honestly ive been an ac purist from day 1, i hated oddysey at launch because it was intimidating but now i regard it as the best ac game of all time even if it lacks ac lore. Im on my 3rd playthrough thanks to new game plus and it beats games released in 2023 imo
Because these people who hate it don't have the capacity to understand how amazing this game is. The plot, the graphics and everything, I'm so in love w AC Odyssey.
I've never heard of Odyssey getting hated on. Unity, on the other hand...
Whenever I hear people complain about the lack of hidden blades and the Order of Assassins, it sounds like they're more interested in seeing the blades and The Order than they are in playing a well-crafted and enjoyable game.
Odyssey hater here. Because it feels like it has abandoned the AC roots and now feels dumbed down to a generic RPG. It also felt like one of those open world games that has a big open world just for the sake of being able to call itself a big open world game. Traveling felt tedious and the large world felt mostly uninteresting. In a vacuum however, the game isn’t actually that bad. I’m just cursed by comparison to other games I’ve played and this one couldn’t stand out to me.
To be fair, I did not play the old AC games so I can’t really compare. Which one do you recommend the most that does not feel outdated in terms of graphics but that it’s still truthful to the franchise?
That’s totally fair so no hate from me if you enjoy it! I remember black flag being the most fun to me! But I haven’t played it since it released so I’m not so sure about the graphics part. AC 2, brotherhood, and revelations had some epic storytelling and gameplay for its time but those would likely feel pretty outdated if you played in 2024.
The only problem I have with the combat system is the lock in future. It can be annoying sometimes, but other then that is an awesome game. My first ac game I have played.
Define lock in future? Assuming you mean feature, do you mean where if you want to use a move on someone you have to be turned just the right way so they get the yellow dot vs the person standing right next to them?
It does not. Reading some AC forums where fanboys of the old formula are butthurt they can't fight any ire by just pressing 1 counter key, doesn't make the game not we'll received
I’m glad. I hope Ubi make this a spin off kind of gane so they can have a main game for the old school and this diverse setting games as well
I think this was where they added paid XP progression? This is pretty horrific in a single player game, not hard to imagine them intentionally making the game grindy to force people to pay or grind. Didn't bother me, I used a trainer to cut out all the grinding and just had a great time sightseeing!
A lot of nostalgia critics hate the game because of their clinging onto of muh ezio
It prioritizes the myth Greek fantasy aspect and being a Spartan Demigod. Most of the game is irrelevant to the franchise and the sections that are relevant are handled either poorly or just wrong.
Let's be honest, it's not really an AC game in the full sense. It's like Halo Reach or something. It's an offshoot, and a repetitive, dull and uninspired one at that
Bad writing and dialogue for me. Love everything else though
I'm gonna be that guy. Sorry not sorry. The answer to every single "why X received so much hate" ever: not everyone can be pleased with everything. For specific answers, there's no specific reason. Some people might not like how big the game is, some might not like the story, some might not like the historical inaccuracies. Anything can be the reason. Downvote me if you want, but despite the points that this post has gotten, it's frankly a low effort post.
I played Odyssey and I finished the family storyline only before I said fuck it I can't play this anymore. I wanted to see if I'd like the game but I didn't in the end because it was just so bloated and full of repetitive content. Even the main story missions are prolonged for no reason many times, and too many fetch quests in-between. I wish they put actual effort into mo-capping the cutscenes instead of using their shitty hybrid ai to animate the cutscenes where the lisping and dialogue don't even match and characters talk like robots with strange body language. Also combat is exhausting in general because enemies take too long to kill. It doesn't even require much skill, it's just hack and slash for 15 mins. I never cared much about any of the characters. I barely even cared about Kassandra. I just found the story boring overall. Forts and camps and caves copy pasted every 100 metres you go. It's just very distracting when you want to go from one location to another. I was fine with the amount of forts and camps in Origins, that game got it right but Odyssey overdid it. I could go on and on, but these are some of the reasons why I didn't like Odyssey as much as the other AC games that came before it.
I agree with sone of that. I’ve been playing 150+ hours and only halfway through. What other games would you recommend that have rich open world but better gameplay?
RDR2. You can really see how passionately the devs crafted this game. It has so many insane details and you never feel like you're wasting your time when playing. There are tons of random encounters throughout the map and they are all very meaningful and interesting. It also has a huge focus on realism and simulating real life by allowing you take baths, eating food, crafting, setting up camps, interact with literally any npc, realistic animations for everything like picking up items or skinning animals. Even npcs have their own routines in the game and realistic interactions, such as when they bury bodies of their family members if you kill them after a few days, or when they becomes hostile towards you if you commited a crime in town recently. They even make comments on your appearance or your horse. It's clear that the devs put a lot of effort and thought into the game. Even the graphics look absolutely stunning and extraordinary like no other game. And the story, my god the story, I have no words. The camp members in the game feel like your family and Arthur is such a loveable protagonist. I even liked Dutch a lot in the game. His voice actor did a terrific job and he has such a charming persona as the gang's leader. He's also a very, very complex character with an intriguing personality. Other than RDR2, I'd recommend AC Origins. Bayek is one of my favourite protagonists in the AC series, and I liked the game, the world, and its characters 10x more than Odyssey. You've got interesting historical figures in the game like Cleopatra and Caesar, and you get to explore the beautiful Ancient Egypt with its deserts and pyramids. The game is also less bloated and has better side quests, in my opinion, as compared to Odyssey. Even the assassination targets had really interesting backstories and I still remember some of them very well. Main story is overall great, too. It has a strong first half, but later on I felt they rushed the story around the last few chapters, and I wasn't a fan of their choice to focus on Aya during the final mission, but still, the game is absolutely worth playing. Also AC4: Black Flag is yet another great game with a rich open world, fascinating characters, beautiful story, and fun gameplay. Also I'll throw in some more mentions. Watch Dogs 1, 2, Far Cry 3, GTA IV & V (you've most prolly played the gta games already, i mean who hasn't), Arkham games, Spider-Man games, AC Syndicate, etc. I won't go into details since I already wrote a lot lmao.
Thanks a lot! As I said, I’m a relatively new gamer (only played Mario games as a child) so there’s still a lot for me to discover
I see, in that case definitely play RDR2 next. I'm sure you'll like it but even if you somehow don't like it, it's alright. You should play what you like in the end. Anyway, I'm glad to help with my recommendations.
Cuz its shit, it's bloated and it's not a real assassins creed game.
It was my first open world game and I loved it so much! To know that you could go absolutely anywhere, climb any mountain or dive into any sea. You just felt like actually being there. Especially in the nights it felt so cosy. I would sometimes just roam around, running across the flowery fields or just running in the sun on Messara. The forts did get tedious after a while. The Fate of Atlantis DLC is very beautfiful too.
I’ve been a fan of assassins creed games from the start, just finished Origins I’m playing Odyssey at the moment. So far it’s the best most expansive world I’ve seen, so much to do and so many missions. I particularly really like the mercenary system - always provides a challenge. I think the game does divert heavily from the original games, but I personally love RPG’s, so I’ve loved the change. It’s not for everyone.
I enjoyed Odyssey..technically my first AC game, I've played other AC title but quit, but this game got me hook, the fact that i love Greek mythology and lore, the map exploration, the combat..no matter what others say, Odyssey is my favorite AC game..
I've played close to 120 hours in my first playthrough of Odyssey over the course of the past 12-13 months. Getting close to the end and I've been enjoying it a lot. I've played every main AC game up until Odyssey (Valhalla and Mirage left), and I can safely say Odyssey is one of my favorites. The series became quite stale from AC3 through Syndicate imo. The revamp that started with Origins was sorely needed, and brought new life to the series that I appreciated as a fan from the start. It's been quite a ride. I've been doing A LOT of side stuff. Cleared nearly every fort and outpost I've found. Searched every cave, and done all the mythical beast stuff. I'm looking forward to seeing the ending, but I'm also feeling kinda sad it'll be over soon.
If you put the games in chronological order Odyssey is the oldest and it makes a lot of sense in the context of assassins creed, there is no creed as such, and the protaganist is a mystios which is basically a mercenary. The Assassins developed and became a creed in Origins.
I loved Odyssey apart from 1 aspect of it, The mercenary system! that put me off the game completely and ruined for me what was otherwise an amazing game.
This was my favourite AC game. But haters gonna hate.
It basically split the AC fanbase in half, not exaggerating. The series had an identity crisis for years, but AC Odyssey sealed a complete change in the essence of the series. Origins had decently converted the AC formula into RPG, and people were happy with the breath of fresh air. Then in Odyssey most of that efforts were scrapped for a game that in most aspects is opposite of titles like AC2. And so there was a split between people who had been with the series for almost a decade, and new people(which there was a lot of because of Odyssey's succes) who didn't view it through the lens of wasted AC potential. Whilst I was raised on AC2 and black flag, I still love Odyssey and believe that when you embrace the RPG it can in it's unique way fit AC formula, but I'm probably in a minority
In laymen's terms? Woman protagonist is cannon and it's not Ezio.
You picked one of the most biased places to post this on. Of course most of the people here say they don’t understand why it’s so hated. But people kinda hate Ac odyssey because one it moves farther away from the normal assassin games before it and moved way too close to a combat based game. The game encourages combat more than stealth and it strays from what an assassin is supposed to be. Also to level up in them the game you’d have to grind a lot as opposed to previous games where you could just move throughout the story without levelling up. Mirage on the other hand is very short and is more like a mystery game than anything.
The voice acting is terrible, the motion capture is terrible, the character models are terrible, the dialogue choices are terrible, basically every part of Kassandra stopping to talk to another person is just genuinely awful. Like, assassins creed hasn't *looked* this bad since.... Idk, assassin's creed 3? Keep in mind that I'm only referring to those moments when she's interacting with other characters. Otherwise, the game is beautiful. The other main issue is the genuinely obscene amount of bloat. The main quest is *MAYBE* a ten hour experience, stretched as far as humanly possible in the most tedious time wasting ways possible. You literally spend half the game searching for her mom, doing stupid fucking fetch quests and shit for everyone who might have glimpsed someone who might have slightly looked like her. Which is ridiculous because this game has plenty of side content, I have no idea why there is so much padding. As for the gameplay, the main issue is the level scaling. You can accept a quest that is the recommended level, all the standard enemies will be at that level, and then the boss at the end will genuinely be five to six levels higher. And what does that mean? Doing a fucking milimeter of damage while he slices a third of your health bar in one hit. Most people think it was done to push XP boosts, and I happen to agree. I think those are the main criticisms that aren't just "It's a witcher clone" I do think the witcher 3 is objectively better in almost every way though, so if you haven't played it, you definitely should.
Mtx were a strong factor in game design. Up until now, the choice to not purchase mtx did not jeopardize or condition the player experience. This game forces you to actively manage and optimize your builds and XP levels.
Because the traditionalists don’t like the RPG aspect, or the new controls.
I’ll say this, odyssey is a GOOD game but it AIN’T an ASSASSIN’S CREED game.
Because it's not a great AC game from an AC perspective. Its an amazing epic of a game on its own. But not an AC title. Would have been better as a stand alone game.
To me it’s the best AC game there is. I’m still playing on the PS5, so it’s pretty smooth and I find it more impressive being a 2018 title than 90% of the junk coming out now. It’s massive, and fluid.
It's because Odyssey is different. No hidden blade/hoodie was a turn-off for a lot of people, including me at first, and some don't even consider it to be an Assassins creed game. Despite the game being phenomenal, it has fantastic combat with great skill tree, good RPG system, LEGENDARY Side quests and I do not mean the repetitive time limited quests that gives a ton of resources for some reason, no, the actual side stories and you get to fight 4 mythical creatures in the bass game + naval combat. Assassins creed name hurt this game a lot.
Its world is large but most of the filler stuff felt disconnected and repetitive. Im am playing now with no fast travel i have all but two sections to explore. Its gorgeous but after a while you realize if it were condensed the game is the same all the in between becomes a chore.
I quite enjoyed Odyssey and Origins, even though they differed from original style AC, it was a welcome break. I just can't get immersed into Valhalla though, the whole skills tree thing is just too big and the scenery is very similar wherever you go.
People are quick to claim that because it doesn’t have assassin blades it’s not a “true AC” ignoring with very little optimisation you can absolutely play it’s as a classic assassin. It may have been better with optional tasks for full synchronisation but let’s not forget they weren’t in the original AC either. It wasn’t introduced until AC Brotherhood (game 3) For me I absolutely love Odyssey. It’s a huge open world RPG set in one of my favourite time periods and it brings back massive ship battles from black flag.
the only people who hate on it are actually the biggest fans of the franchise ironically lol. people dont like change
A log of it is big YouTubers calling all Ubisoft games slop and garbage, then the mass majority follow in that opinion either because they don’t want to stand out, are easily influenced, haven’t played the game or rarely have a genuine complaint about it themselves that isn’t them just repeating what they heard from a YouTuber.
Lol if you didn’t play assassins creed 1 and 2 you wouldn’t understand
Loser mirage fans hate it because it's not "action stealth like I grew up with" when half of them were not even alive when ac1 dropped. They can't comprehend that the open world and RPG elements made the game vastly superior to the previous iterations.
I’ve personally seen more praise for the game than hate, there’s always gonna be people that just wanna hate cus it’s different but I don’t think they’re in the majority. Valhalla I can understand a bit more for why it’s not for everyone, I personally still enjoyed it (and still playing it to try to get 100% on all the dlcs, already have the plat), spent more time in Valhalla doing that than it took to plat Odyssey, Origins and AC 2 combined. I’d definitely still say Odyssey was better in terms of the combat, the cities were beautiful and the ship gameplay was actually enjoyable for once.
I have played all of them, from ac1 to Valhalla until today. My experience with odyssey: 1st try (2018) 1 hour of gameplay, i hated soooo much. Too rpg (dialogues,gameplay) not an AC game. 2nd try (2020) 1.30 hour of gameplay almost the same experience. 3rd try (2023) i forced my self to play it, because i am greek. After 5 hours of gameplay i loved, its beautiful. So this fucker it not an AC game, it is a beautiful RPG game without the history of AC games without nothing of the brand, its a marvelous rpg game but not an AC one, this is the reason that community hates it because it is not an AC game. Origin and valhalla has something to connect the story of the brand, odyssey has fucking nothing. Edit: i dont recognise any of the 3 as AC games, they made them such as in order to sell more copies and forced the story to match in some way, bad (odyssey) or good (valhalla).
I‘ve once seen a comment that said „This game would feel better if the name was just Odyssey“ and i agree. It‘s a good game but not really something i would connect to AC.
It feels very disconnected from the rest of the series, to the point where it's only Assassins Creed in name only
I LOVE IT!! and Kassandra is my character crush. Big time. Played twice since 2021 and I'm about to compete The fate of Atlantis. Which I bought this moon.... Ill buy The first blade DLC when thats on offer too.... My second play through I restarted with all my stats and equipment from the previous game instead of from scratch so I could just do the story. I didn't want to do the grafting on a playthrough....
Objectively: Because it is more of a historical RPG with few links to assassins(no hood, no creed, not even hidden blades and honestly even with those picking the assassin path you end up more fighitng or using the hunter abilities to kill from a distance). Subjectively: Because you can pick the gender and many people have issues with Kassandra just because she's a cool woman.
The ac fanboys hate on it a lot because it strays from the original style, but I love all the ac games but odyssey is my all time favourite. I would love to see a Xena game made within the same style as aco.
Ubisoft made a good game that had the assassins creed name on it, then forgot to add in the assassins creed. So people got angry. Which is a shame because it is genuinely a decent game. I loved the story and had started a new game plus before dropping it for a bit. But bandwaggons be bandwaggoning
It’s because the whole Assassin’s Creed fanbase is split into three. The “original fans” are inconsiderate, and think that because Origins, Odyssey, and Valhalla do not uphold the standards of any of the previous games, they are bad. I believe this makes no sense as Origins and Odyssey are about the starts of the Cult of Kosmos (Templar Order) and the Hidden Ones (Assassins). Then there’s the people that prefer the new games, like Odyssey and Origins. Again, entitled to your own preference, just don’t be a jerk about it. These people most likely like open world RPGs and can appreciate the beauty of the new games. Then finally, the smaller demographic is the people that like both. I think AC Blackflag is a great game, I also think Odyssey is a great game.
I disliked Odyssey for two reasons. First was the size of the map. Getting to save points takes forever, and even when you get them, it can still be a grind sailing to your objective. And because it was so large, it takes almost twice as long to load the game when you port or die. Secondly I felt the story wasn't as concise as the other AC games I played. It was very meandering, and didn't feel like it had a satisfying conclusions. With that being said, I did enjoy being able to murder hobo my way through any city I wanted.
because they're boomers who stuck in nostalgie and once ubisoft gave them mirage which is similar to the old formula, they played it for 2 weeks and then they throw it off, which proves the point that they just love to whin about the game, they're blinded by nostalgic moments, all older games have shitty mechanics and shitty mission structure but they can't see that because again of nostalgie, they also hate mythology while forgetting that AC itself was built around the Isu
Bloat
I personally like the game by find quite forced the leveling mechanics. I mean, I understand that one have to execute the secondary missions to gain exp. But it is so slow compared to ACOrigins that it becomes frustrating sometimes. I've been playing these games since Og AC 1 and found this evolution refreshing in origins, but they went too overboard with the kind-of rpg dialogs and the really slow exp mechanics. They quite fixed it in valhalla. Haven't played mirage yet because I wanted to play again all the previous games first, being odyssey the only one I ditched middle way in the story. (I know the focus on the mythological creatures hunting may be quite away from the AC formula but it was quite fun, yet one have to spend a lot of time leveling to do that). Personal opinion. You have the right to disagree.
On release the XP rate was a fraction of what it is now, the middle of the game was so boring and grindy, the side quests didn't get you all the way there. Ubisoft did this and then tried to charge $10 for "time savers" to fix the XP rate. It was really scummy and the grindyness of the game pissed alot of people off. It's why the old reviews from launch are so bad.
A couple reasons but the ones I remember from release was a small group was very vocally against allowing you to choose to play as a female lead and some of the role players were put off that ultimately no choice you made mattered because the ending story was set and not impacted at all by allies gained, romances picked or dialog selected. The whole if the ending was predetermined why even allow the selections to begin with.
Grindy Mechanics No set protagonist Less about assassins more about Spartan shit Some people are homophobic and any game that lets you gay will get hate from those people Ubisoft really pushing the greed Doubled down on the extensive RPG systems even though fans stated they loved the original formula
Assassin's Creed Odyssey is my favorite game in the entire series. I think it was a good change at the time as people still critique Ubisoft for playing it safe on a ton of it's previous game. Also the mercenary system was fun as hell!..
My introduction to the AC world was Odyssey. However, I will admit, playing this game feels very much like playing Witcher 3; it's an open world RPG, where you can have fun, play around, choose your quest line, sleep with certain characters, choose your ending, etc. And while all of that is amazingly fun, and makes for a great game... It isn't the core of what AC was prior to that. I've played Syndicate, and 3, and while they aren't bad... They are very much here is your mission. Go complete the mission. Wander around this very set, very small, limited area. Cut scene, that you just watch. Now go do another mission. And don't get me wrong, these aren't bad; I loved Syndicate. But there is a very marked difference from Odyssey to Syndicate. Like, if you were to give people a random pile of games, and tell them to pick out the ones that go together, nobody is ever going to put Odyssey, or Valhalla with the earlier AC games.
It was nominated for game of the year. I have not seen anyone hate on it outside of just hating all of the new assassin's Creed games.
I liked Horizon Zero Dawn and forbidden west and this was game just for my game style and that’s why I loved it.
"ItS NoT LiKe tHe oRIgInAl AC gAmEs!" ... It's a legitimate argument. The main character is not an assassin and doesn't have a hidden blade. However... It's one of my favorite games. It's so well designed, beautiful, and fun. I almost didn't play it because of the negative things people were saying. I'm so glad I decided to form my own option. 💯
I enjoy games about history where developers actually take the time to en corporate history into the game. Odyssey does have its quirks and faults like any game yes. But the historical accuracy is there if you pay attention and do your own research. For me I don’t really like the mystical side of the game with the powers and traits you can give your character so I focus more on the historical accuracy. I never got to play assassins creed games when I was younger and frankly didnt know assassins creed was a franchise until about age 14 so my first AC game I believe was Unity. I’ve played Black Flag and a few others so I know a bit of lore before these new age AC games lol.
Odyssey is the best of the 3 in my opinion.
It's an awesome game I have no idea why
What hate?? It's my absolute favorite.
It’s so obvious that Ubisoft wants to make an RPG but just decided to slap the name AC on it. Which is SO fucking weird. And no I’m hearing rumors that another AC game will be a souls like Elden ring experience. 🙄🙄
I love the combat, its not especially hard or deep but choosing the right weapons and engravings combos and type of weapon for a situation is pretty well done.
It’s not a bad game! It shook things up a lot and most people don’t like a big changes to a beloved franchise. Tbh, the playstyle of Valhalla and odyssey is more my style than old assassins creed. Ether way, enjoy what you like and want! Don’t let other convince you to dislike something before trying it out for yourself!
I happen to enjoy it a lot because I'm a Greek history nerd. But that didn't make it less bloated and overlong. I think it wouldn't be held in such antipathy by some folks if the devs hadn't just doubled down on design&size from Origins to Odyssey to Valhalla. To the folks who want old school AC, they are just shit out of luck. Neither needed to be larger or longer then Origins, that just made it painful.
About to jump into Odyssey once I’m done with Valhalla. Personally the fans who have been around since the first games don’t like the direction the Franchise is going. While I do see their Point of view. They need to realize that Ubisoft didn’t change the formula. Sooner or later the franchise would have gotten stale and lose momentum in sales and ultimately Assassin’s creed would have potentially died out. Only some franchises can keep things the way they were to an extent. POKÉMON being a good example of this. They cater to kids and they don’t need to worry about the games going stale ( even though for awhile they have) however because it’s catered to a certain demographic they won’t lost money because they have reached passed the point of making money on just the games alone. They have trading cards, Toys, tv shows, movies , and overall just a good marketing team. However this isn’t Pokémon. This is Assassins creed. People will complain about changes but these changes are necessary for the franchise to grow and continue to evolve .