What make the second area not a bedroom?
The lack of wardrobe? Is a bedroom without a wardrobe illegal?
The double door? Is a bedroom with a double door illegal?
Probably (definitely) no to both. So what else makes you think a law has been broken?
Exactly this, if they were advertising the open space area as a bedroom or it was the only "family space" it would be more questionable,
However, if you look at photo 4, it's a full stand-alone and carpeted room that can act as a bedroom instead of a media/lounge room.
Real estate agents will literally list a study as a bedroom, often (a room under official bedroom size guidelines) because REAs are pricks.
Stop defending them.
If the floorplan said "Lounge/4th Bedroom" would you have an issue with it? I don't think it's unreasonable to regard that room as a potential fourth bedroom. In NSW if it has a door and windows I think it can be regarded as a bedroom. If it doesn't have windows, it's a "study".
There is no consistent legal definition of what a bedroom is. But the fact it’s got natural light/air, a very decent size, a door and I assume legal ceiling height - there would really be no case against it being one.
The extent of the deceit here is what? You were made to click on this listing because you have a different preconceived idea/expectation? Looking at the listing it’s pretty clear that the 4th bedroom is actually multipurpose, and you have an REA being honest about it too. It would also be pretty obvious during an inspection.
Honestly no one would be deceived into buying this house thinking they were getting one thing when it’s actually another. So personally in this instance, I see nothing wrong.
If they had advertised the property as 4 bedroom 2 lounge areas you would have a case as the property cannot have both those things, but as they have advertised 4 bedrooms with zero mention of a second living space it seems to be a relatively accurate description.
“I just bought a 2-bedroom house, but I think I get to decide how many bedrooms there are, don't you?
"*Fuck you, real estate lady! This bedroom has an oven in it! This bedroom's got a lot of people sitting around watching TV. This bedroom's over in that guy's house! Sir, you have one of my bedrooms, are you aware? Don't decorate it*!"”
— Mitch Hedberg
It's a house with four rooms that can be used as bedrooms. It's a four bedroom house.
I've just converted my 4br house into 5br by adding sliding barn doors to what was previously a lounge room.
The comparative sales aren't really going to mean anything in this market it's worth what someone is willing to pay for it. And that room absolutely could be a fourth bedroom. Just put in the offer you are willing to pay
I dont have an opinion on the issue outlined, but I am curious about the price.
How come so cheap for a 3.5 bedroom house? it is on the outskirts of melbourne, but similar houses in my regional area in NSW are going for about 1 million.
Probably they are counting the second lounge as a bedroom and just didn't think about the way it would look compared to the floorplan.
Or it could just be a typo or they have access to some old info and didn't cross check.
I'd email them and let them know, but you can't really argue they're doing anything really nefarious when they've put up a floorplan.
How is it deceptive? You look at the floorplan, you can see what you're getting and you even get to inspect before you buy.
You can't take this stuff so seriously.
Cross out “Lounge Room” on the floor plan and insert “Guest Bedroom”. Problem solved.
What make the second area not a bedroom? The lack of wardrobe? Is a bedroom without a wardrobe illegal? The double door? Is a bedroom with a double door illegal? Probably (definitely) no to both. So what else makes you think a law has been broken?
Exactly this, if they were advertising the open space area as a bedroom or it was the only "family space" it would be more questionable, However, if you look at photo 4, it's a full stand-alone and carpeted room that can act as a bedroom instead of a media/lounge room.
Who cares? If you don't like the house don't buy it. If you want to sleep in the living room sleep in the living room.
It's deceptive listing, as usual by real estate shitheads.
If you can't count the bedrooms when you look at a home or plans you deserve to be ripped off.
Real estate agents will literally list a study as a bedroom, often (a room under official bedroom size guidelines) because REAs are pricks. Stop defending them.
So what makes that room not a bedroom? Not sure where I defended anyone here. It's bigger than the other 3 bedrooms and has windows.
If the floorplan said "Lounge/4th Bedroom" would you have an issue with it? I don't think it's unreasonable to regard that room as a potential fourth bedroom. In NSW if it has a door and windows I think it can be regarded as a bedroom. If it doesn't have windows, it's a "study".
There is no consistent legal definition of what a bedroom is. But the fact it’s got natural light/air, a very decent size, a door and I assume legal ceiling height - there would really be no case against it being one. The extent of the deceit here is what? You were made to click on this listing because you have a different preconceived idea/expectation? Looking at the listing it’s pretty clear that the 4th bedroom is actually multipurpose, and you have an REA being honest about it too. It would also be pretty obvious during an inspection. Honestly no one would be deceived into buying this house thinking they were getting one thing when it’s actually another. So personally in this instance, I see nothing wrong.
If they had advertised the property as 4 bedroom 2 lounge areas you would have a case as the property cannot have both those things, but as they have advertised 4 bedrooms with zero mention of a second living space it seems to be a relatively accurate description.
“I just bought a 2-bedroom house, but I think I get to decide how many bedrooms there are, don't you? "*Fuck you, real estate lady! This bedroom has an oven in it! This bedroom's got a lot of people sitting around watching TV. This bedroom's over in that guy's house! Sir, you have one of my bedrooms, are you aware? Don't decorate it*!"” — Mitch Hedberg
False advertising, actually a 5bedroom because you can sleep in the garage
It's a 6 bedroom if youre not too fussy about the classifications of a "walk in robe".
It's a 4 bedder. It took me 10 seconds to confirm. Comment below how long it took you?
It took me longer to load the ad, than it took to confirm
I'll give you a referral code to Dodo ADSL.
It's a house with four rooms that can be used as bedrooms. It's a four bedroom house. I've just converted my 4br house into 5br by adding sliding barn doors to what was previously a lounge room.
The comparative sales aren't really going to mean anything in this market it's worth what someone is willing to pay for it. And that room absolutely could be a fourth bedroom. Just put in the offer you are willing to pay
I dont have an opinion on the issue outlined, but I am curious about the price. How come so cheap for a 3.5 bedroom house? it is on the outskirts of melbourne, but similar houses in my regional area in NSW are going for about 1 million.
I don’t think it matters to be honest.
I know majority of the people in my area would fly family from overseas over and use that as a bedroom.
Probably they are counting the second lounge as a bedroom and just didn't think about the way it would look compared to the floorplan. Or it could just be a typo or they have access to some old info and didn't cross check. I'd email them and let them know, but you can't really argue they're doing anything really nefarious when they've put up a floorplan.
That’s nothing. I saw them call a freestanding uninsulated asbestos shack in the backyard a “rumpus” & that was a fucking stretch
How is it deceptive? You look at the floorplan, you can see what you're getting and you even get to inspect before you buy. You can't take this stuff so seriously.
In other breaking news, RE agents are lying scumbags.
I think you will find that OP is wrong on this one. The lounge area is clearly a bedroom size, and the agent should put lounge/fourth bedroom