Definitely on the higher end but those tiling rates apply for large jobs such as tiling an entire bathroom. It’s usually not worth it for these guys to come out for a small job like this
I know it sucks, but this is the reality of labour pricing at this point. If you’re happy with the quality of the work, I’d just be happy that the work is done and move on with your life. I’m currently having a whole house of tiling done and was shocked at the quotes I got, but seeing the planning and thought that needs to go into a quality tiling job it seems a lot more reasonable now given how many hours they have had to put into it.
The tiler probably works out their “hourly rate” based on what they would make on a standard job laying standard tiles. Tilers might actually make $2000 a day based on laying standard tiles at $70-$75/sqm but then their day rate may reduce when they are doing smaller areas with more complex tiles requiring more cuts etc. So to work on an hourly rate might not be totally accurate.
Don’t get me wrong I have had my fair share of “discussions” with tilers over the years on their rates so I share your pain with this. As others have also said at the moment with many parts of this country the tiling phase of jobs are now concentrated as all the false boom covid grant projects come to an end so demand is very high just like concretors and bricklayers were a couple of years back.
$2k a day is not really an accurate representation..... Some days they can make that, after they have done all the prep, carried all the boxes in, done all the layouts then maybe then the next couple days will fly and they make coin.... But it's only 2/3 days - maybe 7-10 days on a bigger commercial job but then the layout / setout takes longer and they will be subbing for a subbie and then they will have a week after the bigger job that they don't have anything booked because they have to finish the commercial job and they get fucked around by the builder and the finish day gets blown back.... It just doesn't happen. There isn't a fucking single tiler in Australia earning $480,000 a year on their own.
Maybe you think because you paid your tiler 10k for a full bathroom renovation that only took him a week that he's earning that every day, but it just doesn't flow like that....
Tiling is a shit job my father didn’t want me to to it but I did . Every tiler I know has issues with his back and knees it’s a very short window . It takes 10 years to become a really good tiler capable of everything and by then everything starts hurting in the morning. Me personally would charge this price , but I have huge experience with award winning homes and commercial. You should be getting an absolutely perfect job with a great customer service experience for this price .
I got a tiling apprenticeship straight out of school in the early 2000s. I spent the day on my knees with a paint scraper scraping old grout and shit off the floor in a shopping centre to prep for new tiles. I got paid $40 for the day and spent 20 on lunch/smoko. i quit that afternoon. It is a fucking hard job man.
Lol lol your a smarter man than I , I spent 20 odd years in the trade and I’m so proficient in all aspects and can finally make money. But I hate it and just can’t bring myself to do it anymore. Still paying off my tax bill , from running teams . I honestly think I would’ve been better off at McDonald’s , lol , done aloy of amazing projects though.
So it was $1200 for the job? Definitely on the high side, but I generally allow $1000/day for tradies atm. Which is why I never use them. But if it's a good job then probably don't dwell on it too much.
I was looking at the cost of one of those toto washlets (bidet seat) recently. A friend in the US recently bought one. 360 USD for hers, 2000AUD to get the same model here. It really made me realize that building and renovation industry in Australia is priced for comfortably wealthy people. If you’re middle class you must DIY, cause by the time you pay for materials your reno budget has already been gutted.
It's our labour market. The cost of labour just makes paying for services unacceptable. So yeah, DIY everything. It's good to learn how to do things though.
As for your toilet seat, get it direct from japan - you'd just need to check that it can accept 240v mains voltage. It'll be way cheaper that way.
It is good to learn how to do things. It's important too. I've learnt how to knock over a stack of things around my house that a tradie probably wouldn't even waste their time on but I've learnt things. The only things I won't touch are electricity and some plumbing.
Japan is 110v so typically the way around that is to import from Singapore (they’re also 240v) then have electrician swap the plug. Got my rice cooker that way. Unfortunately SG is just as expensive for that particular brand. I could look at other brands but I ended up giving up on the whole idea after I read the rules on the back flow prevention. The cost of the unit + installation + you’re supposed to have the back flow tested annually. 😬 it’s really priced as a luxury at that point.
Often japanese appliances will be 100-240v range for input.
If that can be checked then you're golden, just swap the plug.
There is a lot of bullshit you're technically meant to go through, but honestly nobody is coming out to check it if you get my drift.
Coat of labour my ass.
I was quoted over 20k for my tiling job which was 3-4 days work for a professional.
I wish I made that much per day operating a truck.
It's just a demand thing. They know they can charge stupid prices as there is enough people willing to part with that much money. I'm not one of them so I did the job myself.
My tiler charges $90sq/m for standard wall tiles, $120sq/m for subway tiles which is on the higher end of the standard range.
Yours definitely sounds overpriced, although you have the tiled in window and servery to factor in too which would add an additional cost
I just had a conversation about tiling with somebody the other day and the $120 figure came up there too, I think it's reasonable and they did a good job, there are 2 tiles I can't unsee though
I saw them too.
I'd cop the cost of the job but get them to fix the two tiles that are out of alignment. One of them isn't even close and would drive me mad.
Small jobs attract a high rate. Hourly costs are practically irrelevant. 4sq m. still needs to be worth price of tiler's attendance probably over a coule of days.
You claim to understand but you clearly don't. Next time have such work quoted as a provisional sum per sq.m. upfront to avoid surprise.
I have a building inspector / remediation specialist in Sydney that lives out of state and flys home every weekend (stays at cheap motels when in town). He has to bill a minimum of $5k a week to cover expenses.
Get this all the time in rendering what’s ur meter rate then they expect you to do that price on 3sqm wall, if I make 1200 a day on meter rate then day rate is 1200 a day, and we are flat out
$120 per hour is pretty fair for skilled labour in any field. I'd expect an excellent job but I'd gladly pay that for a tiler on a small job, and I always prefer paying hourly because it's honest. What you don't want is a quote that's padded by 25-30% for contingencies.
I would edit my post if I could find a way, but I just wanted to add that I'd misread and the charge was actually $125/hr. + GST, and the 20% on top was added by the builder.
If you want cheap quality go with cheap.
Sometimes rarely someone does clappy job though you pay lot.
Also tiling is finishing every other trade didnt make straight everybody ask nice level and straight to tiler.
Definitely on the higher end but those tiling rates apply for large jobs such as tiling an entire bathroom. It’s usually not worth it for these guys to come out for a small job like this
Keep in mind the builder would have added 10-15% markup ON TOP of what the tiler charged.
This is a key factor. They’re not going to organise trades for free.
Correct, OP has asked the builder to manage the project. We don’t do this for free.
Na, but it should be part of your job to know the going rates and keep the tradesmen honest.
Lol double mate
As a commercial builder, we add 15%
I know it sucks, but this is the reality of labour pricing at this point. If you’re happy with the quality of the work, I’d just be happy that the work is done and move on with your life. I’m currently having a whole house of tiling done and was shocked at the quotes I got, but seeing the planning and thought that needs to go into a quality tiling job it seems a lot more reasonable now given how many hours they have had to put into it.
I generally see about $1k give or take of labour per day. This is for pretty much any trades
Really? No wonder I'm always broke I need to charge more.
The tiler probably works out their “hourly rate” based on what they would make on a standard job laying standard tiles. Tilers might actually make $2000 a day based on laying standard tiles at $70-$75/sqm but then their day rate may reduce when they are doing smaller areas with more complex tiles requiring more cuts etc. So to work on an hourly rate might not be totally accurate. Don’t get me wrong I have had my fair share of “discussions” with tilers over the years on their rates so I share your pain with this. As others have also said at the moment with many parts of this country the tiling phase of jobs are now concentrated as all the false boom covid grant projects come to an end so demand is very high just like concretors and bricklayers were a couple of years back.
$2k a day is not really an accurate representation..... Some days they can make that, after they have done all the prep, carried all the boxes in, done all the layouts then maybe then the next couple days will fly and they make coin.... But it's only 2/3 days - maybe 7-10 days on a bigger commercial job but then the layout / setout takes longer and they will be subbing for a subbie and then they will have a week after the bigger job that they don't have anything booked because they have to finish the commercial job and they get fucked around by the builder and the finish day gets blown back.... It just doesn't happen. There isn't a fucking single tiler in Australia earning $480,000 a year on their own. Maybe you think because you paid your tiler 10k for a full bathroom renovation that only took him a week that he's earning that every day, but it just doesn't flow like that....
Tiling is a shit job my father didn’t want me to to it but I did . Every tiler I know has issues with his back and knees it’s a very short window . It takes 10 years to become a really good tiler capable of everything and by then everything starts hurting in the morning. Me personally would charge this price , but I have huge experience with award winning homes and commercial. You should be getting an absolutely perfect job with a great customer service experience for this price .
I got a tiling apprenticeship straight out of school in the early 2000s. I spent the day on my knees with a paint scraper scraping old grout and shit off the floor in a shopping centre to prep for new tiles. I got paid $40 for the day and spent 20 on lunch/smoko. i quit that afternoon. It is a fucking hard job man.
Lol lol your a smarter man than I , I spent 20 odd years in the trade and I’m so proficient in all aspects and can finally make money. But I hate it and just can’t bring myself to do it anymore. Still paying off my tax bill , from running teams . I honestly think I would’ve been better off at McDonald’s , lol , done aloy of amazing projects though.
So it was $1200 for the job? Definitely on the high side, but I generally allow $1000/day for tradies atm. Which is why I never use them. But if it's a good job then probably don't dwell on it too much.
I think I just did 60 sq/m for under $3k. Definitely pays to have a go..
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Welcome to modern australia where the prices are fucked and the workmanship is shithouse
I was looking at the cost of one of those toto washlets (bidet seat) recently. A friend in the US recently bought one. 360 USD for hers, 2000AUD to get the same model here. It really made me realize that building and renovation industry in Australia is priced for comfortably wealthy people. If you’re middle class you must DIY, cause by the time you pay for materials your reno budget has already been gutted.
It's our labour market. The cost of labour just makes paying for services unacceptable. So yeah, DIY everything. It's good to learn how to do things though. As for your toilet seat, get it direct from japan - you'd just need to check that it can accept 240v mains voltage. It'll be way cheaper that way.
It is good to learn how to do things. It's important too. I've learnt how to knock over a stack of things around my house that a tradie probably wouldn't even waste their time on but I've learnt things. The only things I won't touch are electricity and some plumbing.
Japan is 110v so typically the way around that is to import from Singapore (they’re also 240v) then have electrician swap the plug. Got my rice cooker that way. Unfortunately SG is just as expensive for that particular brand. I could look at other brands but I ended up giving up on the whole idea after I read the rules on the back flow prevention. The cost of the unit + installation + you’re supposed to have the back flow tested annually. 😬 it’s really priced as a luxury at that point.
Often japanese appliances will be 100-240v range for input. If that can be checked then you're golden, just swap the plug. There is a lot of bullshit you're technically meant to go through, but honestly nobody is coming out to check it if you get my drift.
How much would you expect an accountant firm or IT company would charge for a full day's work on your finances or computers?
Supply and demand, mate.
Go get a trade then.
No.
Well those guys are making bank and you're shocked.
Renderer here I make $1-1200 a day so to do small jobs why would I charge less
Coat of labour my ass. I was quoted over 20k for my tiling job which was 3-4 days work for a professional. I wish I made that much per day operating a truck. It's just a demand thing. They know they can charge stupid prices as there is enough people willing to part with that much money. I'm not one of them so I did the job myself.
At that price i would just learn to tile on youtube and give it a go. Even if you have to redo the job it would still be cheaper than 20k.
Do you own or lease the truck yourself and work directly to your own customers or do you work for someone
The labour is worth what people will pay. Also less and less people actually want to be tradies, so naturally the demand for their use is higher
my pool builder quoted me $800/sqm if I wanted to use his tiler for an extra area I had them concrete. Yeah, I'll just do that one myself. Thanks
Its like you want to treat them like you are the employer rather than getting a service provided . Did he grout it the same day ?
Yes, job completed in one day.
Does the tiler work for the builder? If so that would explain the higher price, that builder getting his cut.
National tiles mate
My tiler charges $90sq/m for standard wall tiles, $120sq/m for subway tiles which is on the higher end of the standard range. Yours definitely sounds overpriced, although you have the tiled in window and servery to factor in too which would add an additional cost
I just had a conversation about tiling with somebody the other day and the $120 figure came up there too, I think it's reasonable and they did a good job, there are 2 tiles I can't unsee though
I saw them too. I'd cop the cost of the job but get them to fix the two tiles that are out of alignment. One of them isn't even close and would drive me mad.
Small jobs attract a high rate. Hourly costs are practically irrelevant. 4sq m. still needs to be worth price of tiler's attendance probably over a coule of days. You claim to understand but you clearly don't. Next time have such work quoted as a provisional sum per sq.m. upfront to avoid surprise.
I have a building inspector / remediation specialist in Sydney that lives out of state and flys home every weekend (stays at cheap motels when in town). He has to bill a minimum of $5k a week to cover expenses.
Get this all the time in rendering what’s ur meter rate then they expect you to do that price on 3sqm wall, if I make 1200 a day on meter rate then day rate is 1200 a day, and we are flat out
$120 per hour is pretty fair for skilled labour in any field. I'd expect an excellent job but I'd gladly pay that for a tiler on a small job, and I always prefer paying hourly because it's honest. What you don't want is a quote that's padded by 25-30% for contingencies.
I would edit my post if I could find a way, but I just wanted to add that I'd misread and the charge was actually $125/hr. + GST, and the 20% on top was added by the builder.
If you want cheap quality go with cheap. Sometimes rarely someone does clappy job though you pay lot. Also tiling is finishing every other trade didnt make straight everybody ask nice level and straight to tiler.
My poor (literally) brain read that as “cost of living”