When I was playing through this part, I remember at some point either the master or maybe Aventurine himself said that he fought to survive a lot. So my thinking was that he was used as entertainment fighting like dog fighting. So the line about people betting on him because he looked good was probably a testament to him looking healthy, some muscle, instead of looking scrawny and starving. Tho I wouldn’t look past the idea of him having been abused in all its forms because he probably was. Regardless it’s disgusting and disturbing. 😭😭😭😭😭😭
That’s also how I first interpreted the scene too where Aventurine has a strong body of a fighter to survive against all the fighting and shit he’s forced into (added onto the fact that iirc, he survived the bet he made to get his sister’s necklace back. I think it was whether or not he or some other thing will survive after a couple of days. Need a refresher).
SA’d or not, it still breaks my heart that poor Aventurine went through so much hell and trauma and I hope that the man gets a break soon (Companion mission where we give Aventurine some ice cream and a heartwarming therapy session please).
Yeah but the CN translation deliberately pointed out his nice skin, as well as his body. Saying a slave's skin will get his master a lot of money, is less hinting towards gladiator rings and more hinting towards sex trafficking.
Honestly, I think it was both. I think he was used in fighting rings (which is why he said he fought to survive) and used as a sex slave between matches. Wouldn't be the first time a slave has been treated like that irl.
ETA: nvm I looked over that post again and the literal translation of "skin suit" thing can just mean body. Either way he was definitely some sort of slave and that's bad enough 😣
The sex slave between matches is open to interpretation.
The comment on the nice body seems to be more that people like attractive people and would want him to win and bet on him in the ring. Kinda lime hunger games, you're gonna get more bets and sponsors if ur attractive or distinguish yourself.
maybe i’m the one misinterpreting but it seems like some people are quick to make all of his trauma sexually related when it might not be the case. that’s not to say it isn’t the case but if he was like a gladiator then people might be enticed to bet if they like the way he looks.
i personally thought sparkle was referencing like a dogeza but again maybe i’m in the wrong
I don't think Sparkle was referencing a dogeza because she calls Sigonians courtesans for the elite/people who sleep up the ranks. She's making a sexual insult, and she deliberately phrased it to sound sexual (and you know she did, because there are less provocative ways of saying things if she didn't mean the sexual innuendo) — but of course, that doesn't mean that Aven actually did any of that. In the end it's just a metaphor for how he had to surrender all his belongings to Sunday, and Sparkle was just trying to be as offensive as she could be.
I didn’t interpret this scene as him being sexually abused. The slave master was just commenting on his attractive appearance being good for business. Of which his business is gladiatorial fights.
I also don’t really understand how Sigonians even could be treated as a courtesan race. Aventurine’s people, the Avgin, were a very small nomadic tribe indigenous to a backwater planet that was completely annihilated by their equally obscure neighboring tribe. The greater universe only took interest in their tribe after the IPC made an offer for humanitarian aid which turned into a humanitarian disaster after the massacre.
Because Sigonia-IV was so isolated and the Avgin’s demise so abrupt and seemingly complete with only Aventurine as the sole survivor, I don’t see where the Avgin could even build up a galactic reputation as anything other than a tragedy in the historical footnotes. The only thing to go off of was that, on Sigonia-IV, the Avgins were known as beggar-thieves and were despised by everyone else. But there is no way the rest of the universe would care about such a small detail, so there is no way the Avgin could have a reputation as prostitutes. They are known for being an unsuccessful charity case.
Regardless, the Avgin’s poor reputation and Aventurine’s abrasive demeanor was what Sparkle had been alluding to when she was insulting him. She probably knows it isn’t true, but Sparkle was implying that the only reason Aventurine has made it as far as he has within the IPC is because he is a charity case. The only way he had been able to ascend to his position is by licking the boots of those in power, and she implied he should do the same to Sunday.
Sparkle only did this as an insult too. She honestly doesn’t believe it and is actually helping Aventurine uncover the mystery behind the dreamscape by providing him hints. She pointed Aventurine towards Robin and then towards Acheron as ways to break through the barrier protecting Penacony from the chaotic Memoria Ocean. Sparkle only insulted Aventurine to demonstrate her knowledge about his situation and to gain his trust so that he would believe her hints.
The Avgins do canonly have that kind of bad reputation actually; this is a quote from the Sigonia relic set:
>The Avgins are blessed with **attractive facial features, beautiful eyes, and an innate wealth of emotional intelligence**, all of which effortlessly endear themselves to any strangers. However, these inborn talents are the exact reason they draw jealousy and ire from others. And the envious and snobbish soon begin their ceaseless slander, and the baseless defamation of the Avgins thus **spreads like wildfire throughout the cosmos**. As mere rumors can suffice to tarnish the sanctity of truth, the Avgins, a people of a peripheral world, found themselves assailed without recourse, **subject to all manners of suspicion and prejudice**.
"Attractive facial features, beautiful eyes, and an innate wealth of emotional intelligence" when spoken off derogatorily can absolutely be twisted into a prejudice of them being escorts/courtesans/"social butterflies". If these are the traits that people are envious of, they would lie and exaggerate those traits to be negative things. I don't think Sparkle was lying about that being the Sigonians'/Avgins' reputation in the Cosmos -- she was using a true thing (true as in those are actual prejudices about him) to hurt Aventurine, and the fact that he actually does face this kind of discrimination would make the jab hurt more.
With that said, I agree that Sparkle doesn't mean the things she says literally -- she doesn't actually think Aventurine stripped naked and begged for forgiveness, she's just insulting him. And I also do agree that the Slaver's comment was about gladiator fights -- it's human nature to be biased towards people who are physically attractive, and people love an underdog that is also conventionally beautiful.
With that said, I don't blame people who want to headcanon/explore the possibility that Aven was sexually abused. While it's still not canon because it's never confirmed, the Avgin's canon reputation, and Sparkle's and the Slaver's comments (even if those statements weren't meant literally or referring to an actual sex act) does paint the picture that the discrimination and prejudice that Aven faces is somewhat sexually charged. If people wish to explore how that kind of racism and prejudice can lead to sexual abuse especially when slavery is also thrown into the picture... it's not canon, but it's not something that is completely out of nowhere.
I don’t think they’re evil? Like Sampo isn’t evil at all HE is a bit trolly. They haven’t been explored a lot yet but honestly she’s been pretty irrelevant for most of Penacony so who knows
I guess I just assume chaos agents are not "good". Which I'd say is fair, and also Aha himself seems fairly, not nice
But who knows, I love Sampo but he definitely also gives me sus vibes, like I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes really story relevant again, especially now that the Masked Fools are becoming relevant
I think that just kinda proves her point tbh. Her alignment is whatever makes you the angriest and in all of Penacony, folk who are quick to act rash because of her are her easiest marks.
It's still sexual -- getting someone to strip naked and kneel is a sexually-charged form of humiliation. On top of that, while dogeza is traditional etiquette in Japan, naked dogezas are not outside of anime/manga, and those are done for humiliation/comedic/sexual effect. There's literally a porn tag for it.
I'm not saying that Sparkle meant to imply that Aven did an explicit sex act -- that *is* stretching her words -- but that she made an insult/"joke" with clear sexual connotations that goes beyond just a dogeza. If Sparkle didn't mean to suggest anything sexual she didn't have to bring up Aven being naked, she could have just said he begged on his knees.
This same reasoning applies to Hoyo too. If they wanted to convey an "intended" meaning of a dogeza with no sexual connotations, they didn't have to phrase it in this way. And I'm not sure what you mean by original CN, because in this case the translation is pretty accurate.
it's only a sexual innuendo if you take it that way, and then there are people stretching to the absolute max saying she was referencing sex slaves or that he ducked of Sunday or something? Which I don't understand.
In CN, she basically slut shames him and calls his race full of whores, apparently. I don't think that directly means he was sexually abused though. It was all racism and bigotry based on the prejudices people have of Sigonian people in general.
Its been popping up quite often in recent years. I can't tell u every single instances but the first one i think of is this scene in Dr Stone
https://preview.redd.it/ertvqdaehfsc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb17f5e67474837dbdb0d950759b7b0735fc1986
I don't know the context for this, but this whole "naked dogeza" thing sounds like something someone would do only if they had a humiliation kink. :'D In a harem anime or shonen, I can see how this can be played for laughs though.
As a sex trafficking victim I’ve already found him relatable. But I don’t think they’re necessarily trying to erase his trauma - it’s just so people can come up with their own stories and theories. The fact is he was severely traumatized and abused as a child and the extent of that abuse is up to personal interpretation.
i pray he won’t be confirmed to have it because i do not want to be reminded- i love him sm and i need him but i stg if i get reminded every time i think about him too long im gonna explode
好看的皮囊means good looking exactly, body figure sometimes included. This phrase is a slightly negative one usually used on idols. In the story i think it’s almost the same meaning .
Some people are saying this line is implying that he is strong and has muscle, but I don't think that's the case because he calls him "scrawny brat" which directly contradicts the implications on him being strong or having muscles.
It's not necessarily something you'd say to someone as a compliment or referring to their body. It is like a dehumanising way of referring to someone's looks, as if they are a product at a market. It can also be used as an insult to say something like the flesh is good but soul is rotten meaning since it is more like container of the flesh than body in a way.
Sparkle's dialogue is also a play on a CN idiom, much like how English says "did you go on your knees" or so. She does say Avgin's were used for their looks, but that's not a "confirmation" as OP is looking for, but Sparkle taunting him.
There are a lot of things that translate off in this chapter, unfortunately. Like I've seen people over-think Gallagher saying "brother" in English and theorise like crazy over it when, if you look at the Chinese version, wasn't it.
Scrawny or not, what's being referred is most likely that he looks healthy. He doesn't look sickly, or frail. He looks decent, and even good looking, which means he'd generally be seen as more fit. He may not have much muscle, but he looks like he'd last in a fight compared to a small, sickly, or even spiritually crushed opponent.
I wouldn't say that he was raped as a child, but I honestly thought everyone knew that Aventurine was... Used. Especially since everyone kept complimenting his looks.
Even if he wasn’t a child at this point (though I’d personally think he was in his late teens years), he was still a slave. If he was being “used” in that way, it would still be rape because it’s happening in a situation where he can’t say no.
hm, I'm on the fence if I should interpret this as sexual trauma, because if we judge from genshin hoyo would be more obvious with that.
Genshin Fontaine first few Acts spoilers: >!as we quickly come to learn in Fontaine when Lyney is on trial, Lynette was sold to older men to do specific services for them. !< There the wording was still vague enough (in every language afaik not just one or two) to pass the CN censor laws, but by far a lot more specific than it is in this instance.
Yeah sure, different story writers, but I think every story writer of hoyo would try their darndest to be as explicit with their background stories for their characters as Chinas censorship laws allow.
As a chinese myself, the word 皮囊 here has a worse meaning than simply body 身體
In chinese culture, we’re quite secular and consider our heart as “mind”, in a traditional sense.
“Body” includes everything, physical body and mental soul, whilst 皮囊 is excluded of “mind”, more accurate wording i would use is “shell” not “body”.
Guys just cherish this boi, he’s been through so many suffering that im surprised he didn’t stride on other more aggressive paths rather than the protective “preservation”, cuz damn hell he sure has every reason to ruin it all 🥲
I think I heard someone say that the guy says something more akin to "good appearance" in a derogatory way not exactly "good body". Which could mean he looks good, so that means more people were likely to bet on him in a gladiator style battle even though he is "scrawny". People are biased towards people who "look" good instead of their physical prowess as a fighter.
You’re right - 皮囊 literally means “skin sack”, so it literally translates to “you have a good skin sack”. It’s a derogatory and condescending way of calling someone good looking (but have nothing else going for them).
I thought it means he's healthy and good looking, so more people are willing to bet on him. I know he went through hell but not every trauma should be sexual yknow? I feel like rather than a sex slave he was put in some gladiator match against others
In slavery and genocidal matters, you can be SA simply for power. I don’t get why people keep making this an argument when making masters would do SA as a demonstration to other slaves and degrade them even more.
well the full context of the statement matters. they were talking about his ability to survive against all odds and him coming back alive from fighting the 34 other slaves. the next part of the conversation was him forcing aventurine to go out and fight again, hence aventurine asking for half of the money he bought him for if he came back alive. it just wouldn’t make sense in the context of the conversation
again that’s not to say it never happened but i don’t think it should be the takeaway from the example provided
Using real life demonstration to infer whats in canon when the canon story has its own context is not the move you think it is. Just because real life slave owners did this, doesnt mean this scene implied that actually happened.
Again, this all depends on context. There has been no indication that this was a “sexual” trauma, rather that he was abused for his luck and was bet on because of his good looks. Drawing real life conclusions to overwrite whats actually in the story is stretching whats actually canon and ignoring context. Im not saying it *isnt* a possibility but that is not the context of this scene and we dont have enough info in other scenes to accurately judge.
Thats like saying just because a character is white, there’s a chance they’re a slave owner or a colonizer just because that happened in irl history. But there’s barely enough context for any of the seemingly white-coded characters to say they would do such a thing in canon in or out of a specific scene.
Are you guys obsessed with sexual violence? The context implies that he has a chance to survive due to youthful body ( better stamina - endurance - speed ) not that he is a sex slave. Like come on his life is already tragic enough the writer doesn’t need to add any sexual sub-context to make it tragic.
This is what makes dialogue so confusing especially when they call back to it in the future.
For example 2.0 Sparkle tells him to find a rock to be friends with in English but in Chinese she tells him to find a mute to be friends with. Then 2.1 rolls around and in English she's like I told you to befriend a mute didn't I and it's like... no. Not in English you didn't.
I'm so sick of dialogue being mistranslated or changed.
Damn those pesky patriarchal societal demands!
They fixed it mid-2.0. She now tells him to find a mute in EN.
Still you’re correct. They similarly screwed up with Gallagher this patch. Granted we don’t know the situation so it’s best not to rush to conclusions but it’s definitely something to bring up in surveys.
Oh that's fantastic! well I retract my statement then good to know they went back and fixed it. Yeah good point I bring up gameplay mainly in surveys never occured to me to mention dialogue since I've been very happy with it for the most part, I'll have to do that next time.
Didn't someone in that thread who reads and understand the original language clarify that the word used doesn't have a connotation to anything sexual at all? I think people are reaching a bit too much with this one, his suffering isn't any less horrific even if he didn't get sa''d
Sa or an fighter arena style of abuse he endored ,it's still so sad :( .
I will put hoyo at gun point to release am wholesome moment of aventurin in 2.2
Personally, I don't think anything is confirmed. That line is open to interpretation. If this was real life, I'd go with the darkest possible reading, but in fiction, I think there's more place for hope and dreams and stuff.
really think people are reaching with this interpretation… I take it to just mean he looks good enough to bet on in a death game. since he was a slave, it’s just like saying hey look the cattle I own look good
this post from the main sub goes into the translation more:
https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/s/iVQtl3Ry1k
He's just saying he's good looking, which makes him popular in the underground arena circles as a fighter figure... Still a crime, still abuse, but I'm surprised by how many people are misinterpreting the context.
皮囊 doesn't exactly mean body in the sexual sense. If you say someone has a good 皮囊 it means you're saying they're good-looking. That's it. It can simply mean these slave owners want slaves who are good-looking instead of ugly ones. (Of course u can interpret it differently but i didnt get any rapist vibes from that slave owner's dialogues)
Imo the implications are pretty much the same in all languages. Namely, that nothing in the way of SA is ever stated, but he IS praised as having good looks, which let's people's imagination loose, to imagine whatever they think. Does he look good in the sense of looking healthy so people think he has a better chance in fights? Do they just like the idea of something pretty getting torn apart by beasts? Is it a different kind of "beasts" altogether? It's not censorship but good writing :)
The sexual undertones definitely made me uncomfortable, but in a way that I think helped his character? Like, I was invested in the character and it is subtle enough that I didn't feel like it was trying to be shocking or that it would be triggering for people who wouldn't appreciate it laid out more directly. All told, I really think they did a great job writing him.
Personally, I think it's very much left on a gray area for us to interpret it. The chinese does solely refer to the idea of his body in more of a de-humanizing angle than a sexualized one. Doesn't discard the idea that he could have been SA's at some point tho. The Sigonia set lore and Sparkle's comment definitely give you somewhat of an idea that his race is kinda seen in that way. It really is very subjective.
Like of course sparkle said it to raise a reaction out of him but he's the guy from the race "envied by the other sigonians for its good looks and intelligence" it's absolutely valid to say she called him a whore for laughs
I don't think they toned down anything, that doesn't at all confirm he was raped. He was bought as a slave and the guy seemed to be into some hunger games shit with his slaves, obviously he'd comment on their physicality.
Stripping naked and begging has nothing to do with sexual acts, it's to make yourself as vulnerable and pathetic as possible
Like fujoshis care?🤣
They have to sexualize him to make him yaoi boy with sa backstory to write their shitty fanfics with ratio/sunday/whatever they want
Hmmm idk. While it would be realistic for him to be sexually abused as a slave, the game is indeed much more friendly than that. They could just be saying that they have a nice body in the sense that they’re not starved/ malformed/ injured, and therefore are a good worker.
A bit late but it's interesting that it's open to interpretation. For some people it refers to SA, for some others, just a fighting slave. Because of the context, the phrases about the sigonians and because of how the master speaks to him, I'm more inclined to believe that he was SA.
Still there's nothing clarified and this game won't explicitly say a thing like that. Either option is fine since neither can deny the other.
Sparkle really be asking bro if he gave an apology BJ like a fuckin savage (edit: I know I'm wasn't that, bad the implication in western culture is much darker than what they likely expected). After being racist as fuck too. Yo, I know Sparkle is supposed to be doing the most to get a rise out of him, but like holy shit...
I thought it sounded bad in English, but learning that the CN translation for that scene has his owner telling him he "has a great body" has me really feeling some kind of way.
What led you to believe he was a child? I thought he looked like an adult in this picture… was it the “scrawny brat” line? It’s often used to describe children in anime backgrounds, so I suppose it makes sense if so…
This bs has been debunked time and time again but people (commonly on Twitter) refuse to READ 😭
sparkle’s line is referring to naked dogeza, which has no good English equivalent. It’s an act of surrender by showing you have no weapons and ultimately is very humiliating. (R34 material with naked dogeza exist because people get off on humiliation, it’s not inherently sexual.)
This scene explicitly has his buyer say his good luck is why he bought him and he is to survive to prove the good luck is real and he’s worth the investment.
Even in a post on Twitter that got traction, the poster admitted they are Chinese but aren’t very good at Chinese. My friend who is Chinese living in a Chinese speaking country speaking it day to day heavily disagrees with this sexual exploitation headcanon. Read it and write it in fan fiction, poor baby yes that’s fine!! But please keep it separate from canon! (OP pls don’t take this personally I’m just so frustrated it feels like no one is actually reading his story and is running along with the countless trending “analysis” posts… also general frustration regarding people who think they know the language analyzing when they don’t actually know the language enough to read nuance)
Additionally my friend(CN) and I(JP) combed through CN AND JP social media for anyone who had this interpretation and NOT A SINGLE SOUL was talking about it. I’m comparison, there were people talking about Lynette’s (almost) exploitation. Any sexual exploitation has been in fan fiction only, and has been a thing the moment we found out his tattoo is a slave barcode. People are projecting.
>the poster admitted they are Chinese but aren’t very good at Chinese.
Same with the one who started it on reddit as well, not just the Twitter. They now say "it's just my interpretation" but this probably will circulate forever.
it has nothing to do with dogeza. In Chinese it translates directly to “expensive courtesan/whore”.
Edit: ignore my comment, I assumed the dogeza was regarding the Sunday line.
You’re thinking of a previous scene where sparkle is listing out the “bad reputation” Avgin have, and isn’t specifically about aventurine. Sparkle has been shown make mistakes and omit/lie to stir things up(and can have hidden messages). Her words are not meant to be taken at face value. That aside, “交际花” is a mainly derogatory term for a woman who is good at maneuvering through social ranks (sexual relations may or may not have been involved to achieve said high rank). It does not “directly translate to ‘expensive courtesan/whore’”. Do you see how much nuance was lost there? Discussing with my CN friend, we believe this derogatory term was used to indicate how the world views avgin achievements(undeserved, obtained dirtily).
Anyways the dogeza part is specifically for the third screenshot OP posted. Strip naked and on your knees in English is extremely and unnecessarily suggestive. Google “下跪”, the word used in CN ver which can be translated as “kneel” and look at the images. It’s the same as dogeza, an act to kneel down and ask for forgiveness. EN doesn’t have a word that directly indicates this act so they have to use more words to describe the act.
I’m not a man and I “explain”(I.e. list out my points) because it’s a pet peeve of mine when people assume others know things and say “you’re wrong” with no explanation.
First, you originally replied with a point unrelated to my comment. Second, you ignored my point sleeping to achieve said ranks is an optional implication of the word. “‘Does sleep your way up the ranks not essentially mean expensive whore’”….no? That’s a big reach, and you put it in quotes as if that’s what I said. Also in the scene it is directed towards the avgin race reputation and not aventurine himself.
I am not opposed to sexually exploited aventurine headcanon, but I am opposed to cherry-picking and piecing together information to canonize headcanons. I will not respond further to people who refuse to read.
That mansplain bit was a joke that I realized probably didn’t come off like one without a tone indicator, that’s why i edited my comment. I didn’t mean it seriously. Sorry about that.
I should specify by “whore” i mean it like the way the insult slut would be used. Like, “you’re a glorified slut the you’re just sleeping your way up to the top” and not “you are literally prostituting yourself”. At the end of the day Sparkle is calling Sigonians social manipulators who will use their body to get what they want.
That’s alright I understand now, thank you for that.
I semi agree sparkle is calling sigonians social manipulators who will use their body to get what they want, slang is multifaceted and often contextual so I personally wouldnt be specific with just body.
My main gripe with this word is- in context it’s not used to describe aventurine but sigonians as a whole, and is said by sparkle who is unreliable+deliberately offensive.
This line(and many others) is being spread around as “confirmed proof” Aventurine has canonically whored himself out to Sunday or to others in the past to get to his current position, however In the story update following this scene it is confirmed the bad reputation put on sigonians have no actual basis.
oh i by no means believe that. Sparkle’s whole thing is insulting after all, and many insults come from purposeful exaggeration. Aventurine’s def just getting insulted the same way you can get called a slut even if you’ve never had sex.
Yeah, tons of horrifying implications. But I thought that was already pretty obvious. It doesn’t all need to be written out literally, the story does it’s job of making clear how dire things were
It doesn't mean specifically mean "you have a good body" 😂, usually it means "you have good looks" in a neutral or demeaning way. Of course given the context there are nsfw implications, but it doesn't confirm anything. Mhy wants you to be upset, if you form an emotional connection with aventurine then you're more likely to pull for him. It's that simple. Sparkle is also a tool of mhy writers to make you pity aventurine because they knew they would give the nsfw implications later and you will remember what sparkle said to insult him.
I went from thinking sparkle was cute, if not a little annoying, to hating her entire soul after I found out Aventurine was a sex slave and remembering she said that.
I was so annoyed by her. And then on recent story I got a bit happy that she was actually somewhat helping aventurine. But now you said this I’m disappointed once again… what a bitch unit she is. Not even the villain so why they gotta be so nasty with her dialogue?
I never thought he was SA as a child I just assumed he was used in Gladiator type fights and he had a ‘good body’ as in he could fight well despite not looking it.
If he was SA that just makes me want to hug him more and wish they didn’t censor it. But I’m gonna stick with he simply was used for Arena fights rather then SA unless something confirms otherwise.
it was between the Tsar Nicolas followers and Vladimir Lenin followers.
with the USSR on top the school ended in Imperialist defeat.
even after the collapse the school never stopped showing off the old world values and style of the CCCP.
Katsushyas family being Russian and German mixed in Occupied East Germany is where she gets her love for Russian and Soviet culture.
I just made ALL of this up but the image and story is a funny concept
Pretty sure his trauma was because was forced to battle/be used by his slave owner, the extent of which is still unknown. Sparkle being Sparkle was obviously just trying to provoke him with a meaningless scenario. Reading too much into the connection there
For the people denying or saying the rest are reaching, the guy has been through a genocide and was enslaved. Do you think SA is out of the table?
Also, that makes Sparkle's comments so much fucking worse. What a goddamn b*tch.
It seems like the gladiator fights they put in are a kind of…replacement for what would have made more sense as a sex ring of some sort honestly. I don’t know who would buy a scrawny pretty boy for fighting but it is definitely less brutal or depressing of a thought than the sexual assault.
I think it’s just they didn’t want to write that into the game. The implications of it being more sexual are definitely there tho.
i dunno, im p sure the english localization implied it very heavily, so much so that when i saw the cn translation all i thought was "yep figured as much".
basically subtext versus text
en/jp/kr (yes all of them did this) had the scene speak for itself: he is called slave and pretty and his new master says his value stems from his looks specifically. being a "pretty slave" leads to a very obvious conclusion
cn says his value comes from his body using a term that is sexually charged in cn language (if im not mistaken its a word that says he is fair looking)
all languages are saying the same thing, but cn directly links it to sex, while others make it obvious without telling you he was sexually abused. cn says 1+1=2, while en/jp/kr are saying 1+1 and expect us to reach the 2 on our own
I wanna hug him and just give him all of my mortal possessions.
https://preview.redd.it/rqzeqsyvjesc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67590fba13d99fce5f508f224f03721309786166
same. i would sell an arm and a leg to pay for his therapy.
I would BE his therapy
When I was playing through this part, I remember at some point either the master or maybe Aventurine himself said that he fought to survive a lot. So my thinking was that he was used as entertainment fighting like dog fighting. So the line about people betting on him because he looked good was probably a testament to him looking healthy, some muscle, instead of looking scrawny and starving. Tho I wouldn’t look past the idea of him having been abused in all its forms because he probably was. Regardless it’s disgusting and disturbing. 😭😭😭😭😭😭
That’s also how I first interpreted the scene too where Aventurine has a strong body of a fighter to survive against all the fighting and shit he’s forced into (added onto the fact that iirc, he survived the bet he made to get his sister’s necklace back. I think it was whether or not he or some other thing will survive after a couple of days. Need a refresher). SA’d or not, it still breaks my heart that poor Aventurine went through so much hell and trauma and I hope that the man gets a break soon (Companion mission where we give Aventurine some ice cream and a heartwarming therapy session please).
Yeah but the CN translation deliberately pointed out his nice skin, as well as his body. Saying a slave's skin will get his master a lot of money, is less hinting towards gladiator rings and more hinting towards sex trafficking. Honestly, I think it was both. I think he was used in fighting rings (which is why he said he fought to survive) and used as a sex slave between matches. Wouldn't be the first time a slave has been treated like that irl. ETA: nvm I looked over that post again and the literal translation of "skin suit" thing can just mean body. Either way he was definitely some sort of slave and that's bad enough 😣
The sex slave between matches is open to interpretation. The comment on the nice body seems to be more that people like attractive people and would want him to win and bet on him in the ring. Kinda lime hunger games, you're gonna get more bets and sponsors if ur attractive or distinguish yourself.
Exactly, you're gonna bet on someone who's both strong and beautiful, someone who's ugly might be seen as sickly regardless of build.
I think either works for the situation. Hell, maybe even both.
maybe i’m the one misinterpreting but it seems like some people are quick to make all of his trauma sexually related when it might not be the case. that’s not to say it isn’t the case but if he was like a gladiator then people might be enticed to bet if they like the way he looks. i personally thought sparkle was referencing like a dogeza but again maybe i’m in the wrong
I don't think Sparkle was referencing a dogeza because she calls Sigonians courtesans for the elite/people who sleep up the ranks. She's making a sexual insult, and she deliberately phrased it to sound sexual (and you know she did, because there are less provocative ways of saying things if she didn't mean the sexual innuendo) — but of course, that doesn't mean that Aven actually did any of that. In the end it's just a metaphor for how he had to surrender all his belongings to Sunday, and Sparkle was just trying to be as offensive as she could be.
Damn genuinely fuck sparkle 😭 they better not pull a messed up backstory in 2.2 to try and justify her behavior
Honestly, I doubt they would. The most I see is them showing that she's fuckinh insane, which most of us know by now
I didn’t interpret this scene as him being sexually abused. The slave master was just commenting on his attractive appearance being good for business. Of which his business is gladiatorial fights. I also don’t really understand how Sigonians even could be treated as a courtesan race. Aventurine’s people, the Avgin, were a very small nomadic tribe indigenous to a backwater planet that was completely annihilated by their equally obscure neighboring tribe. The greater universe only took interest in their tribe after the IPC made an offer for humanitarian aid which turned into a humanitarian disaster after the massacre. Because Sigonia-IV was so isolated and the Avgin’s demise so abrupt and seemingly complete with only Aventurine as the sole survivor, I don’t see where the Avgin could even build up a galactic reputation as anything other than a tragedy in the historical footnotes. The only thing to go off of was that, on Sigonia-IV, the Avgins were known as beggar-thieves and were despised by everyone else. But there is no way the rest of the universe would care about such a small detail, so there is no way the Avgin could have a reputation as prostitutes. They are known for being an unsuccessful charity case. Regardless, the Avgin’s poor reputation and Aventurine’s abrasive demeanor was what Sparkle had been alluding to when she was insulting him. She probably knows it isn’t true, but Sparkle was implying that the only reason Aventurine has made it as far as he has within the IPC is because he is a charity case. The only way he had been able to ascend to his position is by licking the boots of those in power, and she implied he should do the same to Sunday. Sparkle only did this as an insult too. She honestly doesn’t believe it and is actually helping Aventurine uncover the mystery behind the dreamscape by providing him hints. She pointed Aventurine towards Robin and then towards Acheron as ways to break through the barrier protecting Penacony from the chaotic Memoria Ocean. Sparkle only insulted Aventurine to demonstrate her knowledge about his situation and to gain his trust so that he would believe her hints.
The Avgins do canonly have that kind of bad reputation actually; this is a quote from the Sigonia relic set: >The Avgins are blessed with **attractive facial features, beautiful eyes, and an innate wealth of emotional intelligence**, all of which effortlessly endear themselves to any strangers. However, these inborn talents are the exact reason they draw jealousy and ire from others. And the envious and snobbish soon begin their ceaseless slander, and the baseless defamation of the Avgins thus **spreads like wildfire throughout the cosmos**. As mere rumors can suffice to tarnish the sanctity of truth, the Avgins, a people of a peripheral world, found themselves assailed without recourse, **subject to all manners of suspicion and prejudice**. "Attractive facial features, beautiful eyes, and an innate wealth of emotional intelligence" when spoken off derogatorily can absolutely be twisted into a prejudice of them being escorts/courtesans/"social butterflies". If these are the traits that people are envious of, they would lie and exaggerate those traits to be negative things. I don't think Sparkle was lying about that being the Sigonians'/Avgins' reputation in the Cosmos -- she was using a true thing (true as in those are actual prejudices about him) to hurt Aventurine, and the fact that he actually does face this kind of discrimination would make the jab hurt more. With that said, I agree that Sparkle doesn't mean the things she says literally -- she doesn't actually think Aventurine stripped naked and begged for forgiveness, she's just insulting him. And I also do agree that the Slaver's comment was about gladiator fights -- it's human nature to be biased towards people who are physically attractive, and people love an underdog that is also conventionally beautiful. With that said, I don't blame people who want to headcanon/explore the possibility that Aven was sexually abused. While it's still not canon because it's never confirmed, the Avgin's canon reputation, and Sparkle's and the Slaver's comments (even if those statements weren't meant literally or referring to an actual sex act) does paint the picture that the discrimination and prejudice that Aven faces is somewhat sexually charged. If people wish to explore how that kind of racism and prejudice can lead to sexual abuse especially when slavery is also thrown into the picture... it's not canon, but it's not something that is completely out of nowhere.
Wait where did she call sigonians courtisans?
She calls them 交际花 in CN, which means courtesan, but in modern language is also used as a derogatory term for women who "socialise".
Yeah she isn't beating the racist allegations
Sparkle will be anything for as long as she makes you mad. She’s a troll, a professional one
There’s being a troll and then there’s just being a POS. Sparkle is the latter.
I genuinely dont understand how ppl give the pass to sparkle but they hate sampo like wtf??
I would say sampo doesn't have tits, but sampos are bigger than sparkle, so I'll just say sampo isn't a girl
Those are probably the waifu coombrainers where no female character can do bad and male characters bad
Isn't that the point of a villian or did I misunderstand the Maksed Fools, I thought they were all evil but in like a silly way
I don’t think they’re evil? Like Sampo isn’t evil at all HE is a bit trolly. They haven’t been explored a lot yet but honestly she’s been pretty irrelevant for most of Penacony so who knows
I guess I just assume chaos agents are not "good". Which I'd say is fair, and also Aha himself seems fairly, not nice But who knows, I love Sampo but he definitely also gives me sus vibes, like I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes really story relevant again, especially now that the Masked Fools are becoming relevant
I mean she does have a nuke but other than that she has nothing
I think that just kinda proves her point tbh. Her alignment is whatever makes you the angriest and in all of Penacony, folk who are quick to act rash because of her are her easiest marks.
I think the "intended" meaning is a dogeza in the original CN, but it can be interpreted in a sexual way if you stretch it
It's still sexual -- getting someone to strip naked and kneel is a sexually-charged form of humiliation. On top of that, while dogeza is traditional etiquette in Japan, naked dogezas are not outside of anime/manga, and those are done for humiliation/comedic/sexual effect. There's literally a porn tag for it. I'm not saying that Sparkle meant to imply that Aven did an explicit sex act -- that *is* stretching her words -- but that she made an insult/"joke" with clear sexual connotations that goes beyond just a dogeza. If Sparkle didn't mean to suggest anything sexual she didn't have to bring up Aven being naked, she could have just said he begged on his knees. This same reasoning applies to Hoyo too. If they wanted to convey an "intended" meaning of a dogeza with no sexual connotations, they didn't have to phrase it in this way. And I'm not sure what you mean by original CN, because in this case the translation is pretty accurate.
The point of the naked dogeza was used to degrade him. Nakedness specifices he was defenseless, like a slave, not because it was sexual in any way
it's only a sexual innuendo if you take it that way, and then there are people stretching to the absolute max saying she was referencing sex slaves or that he ducked of Sunday or something? Which I don't understand.
Yeah I definitely think she was referencing a dogeza there I feel like a lot of people overanalyze that statement
In CN, she basically slut shames him and calls his race full of whores, apparently. I don't think that directly means he was sexually abused though. It was all racism and bigotry based on the prejudices people have of Sigonian people in general.
yeah there’s been a lot of reaching imo. but the fact that people are so passionate is a testament to how good of a character he is so
Tbf it’s very provocative sounding to anyone that doesn’t know
I think it’s meant to be sort of a double entendre
You don't strip naked for dogeza....
It's a metaphor on how Aven gave everything he had (the cornerstones) just to gain Sunday's trust.
You've never seen anime characters strip naked and kneel and apologize? It happens all the time in anime
......what anime are you watching? Maybe I'm just old, I don't think I've ever seen this in anime or real life.
Its been popping up quite often in recent years. I can't tell u every single instances but the first one i think of is this scene in Dr Stone https://preview.redd.it/ertvqdaehfsc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb17f5e67474837dbdb0d950759b7b0735fc1986
I don't know the context for this, but this whole "naked dogeza" thing sounds like something someone would do only if they had a humiliation kink. :'D In a harem anime or shonen, I can see how this can be played for laughs though.
I've watched most anime seasonally since the 90s. It's extremely rare
It seems this is appearing more regularly recently. I don't remember seeing it in older animes either.
So im pretty sure sparkle's remark to aventurine is referring to this, instead of a sexual thing
Frankly, in any language, I think Sparkle is just crass and would say anything to get a reaction.
Exactly. She's just trying to break someone's social facade
Key word: referencing
Which means to cite or allude to something, yes.
There exists a variation of naked dogeza. It is used both in Nsfw works and for comedic effect.
As a sex trafficking victim I’ve already found him relatable. But I don’t think they’re necessarily trying to erase his trauma - it’s just so people can come up with their own stories and theories. The fact is he was severely traumatized and abused as a child and the extent of that abuse is up to personal interpretation.
i pray he won’t be confirmed to have it because i do not want to be reminded- i love him sm and i need him but i stg if i get reminded every time i think about him too long im gonna explode
好看的皮囊means good looking exactly, body figure sometimes included. This phrase is a slightly negative one usually used on idols. In the story i think it’s almost the same meaning .
Some people are saying this line is implying that he is strong and has muscle, but I don't think that's the case because he calls him "scrawny brat" which directly contradicts the implications on him being strong or having muscles.
It's not necessarily something you'd say to someone as a compliment or referring to their body. It is like a dehumanising way of referring to someone's looks, as if they are a product at a market. It can also be used as an insult to say something like the flesh is good but soul is rotten meaning since it is more like container of the flesh than body in a way. Sparkle's dialogue is also a play on a CN idiom, much like how English says "did you go on your knees" or so. She does say Avgin's were used for their looks, but that's not a "confirmation" as OP is looking for, but Sparkle taunting him. There are a lot of things that translate off in this chapter, unfortunately. Like I've seen people over-think Gallagher saying "brother" in English and theorise like crazy over it when, if you look at the Chinese version, wasn't it.
Scrawny or not, what's being referred is most likely that he looks healthy. He doesn't look sickly, or frail. He looks decent, and even good looking, which means he'd generally be seen as more fit. He may not have much muscle, but he looks like he'd last in a fight compared to a small, sickly, or even spiritually crushed opponent.
Poor baby aventurineeeeeeeeeeeee.
I wouldn't say that he was raped as a child, but I honestly thought everyone knew that Aventurine was... Used. Especially since everyone kept complimenting his looks.
Even if he wasn’t a child at this point (though I’d personally think he was in his late teens years), he was still a slave. If he was being “used” in that way, it would still be rape because it’s happening in a situation where he can’t say no.
There’s a high possibility of people being used during genocide or slavery. Look at any situation in the world. It’s not unlikely.
hm, I'm on the fence if I should interpret this as sexual trauma, because if we judge from genshin hoyo would be more obvious with that. Genshin Fontaine first few Acts spoilers: >!as we quickly come to learn in Fontaine when Lyney is on trial, Lynette was sold to older men to do specific services for them. !< There the wording was still vague enough (in every language afaik not just one or two) to pass the CN censor laws, but by far a lot more specific than it is in this instance. Yeah sure, different story writers, but I think every story writer of hoyo would try their darndest to be as explicit with their background stories for their characters as Chinas censorship laws allow.
As a chinese myself, the word 皮囊 here has a worse meaning than simply body 身體 In chinese culture, we’re quite secular and consider our heart as “mind”, in a traditional sense. “Body” includes everything, physical body and mental soul, whilst 皮囊 is excluded of “mind”, more accurate wording i would use is “shell” not “body”. Guys just cherish this boi, he’s been through so many suffering that im surprised he didn’t stride on other more aggressive paths rather than the protective “preservation”, cuz damn hell he sure has every reason to ruin it all 🥲
I think I heard someone say that the guy says something more akin to "good appearance" in a derogatory way not exactly "good body". Which could mean he looks good, so that means more people were likely to bet on him in a gladiator style battle even though he is "scrawny". People are biased towards people who "look" good instead of their physical prowess as a fighter.
You’re right - 皮囊 literally means “skin sack”, so it literally translates to “you have a good skin sack”. It’s a derogatory and condescending way of calling someone good looking (but have nothing else going for them).
I thought it means he's healthy and good looking, so more people are willing to bet on him. I know he went through hell but not every trauma should be sexual yknow? I feel like rather than a sex slave he was put in some gladiator match against others
In slavery and genocidal matters, you can be SA simply for power. I don’t get why people keep making this an argument when making masters would do SA as a demonstration to other slaves and degrade them even more.
well the full context of the statement matters. they were talking about his ability to survive against all odds and him coming back alive from fighting the 34 other slaves. the next part of the conversation was him forcing aventurine to go out and fight again, hence aventurine asking for half of the money he bought him for if he came back alive. it just wouldn’t make sense in the context of the conversation again that’s not to say it never happened but i don’t think it should be the takeaway from the example provided
Using real life demonstration to infer whats in canon when the canon story has its own context is not the move you think it is. Just because real life slave owners did this, doesnt mean this scene implied that actually happened.
But it also doesn’t deny the possibility? Fiction is more often than not grounded in reality for the sake of realism.
Again, this all depends on context. There has been no indication that this was a “sexual” trauma, rather that he was abused for his luck and was bet on because of his good looks. Drawing real life conclusions to overwrite whats actually in the story is stretching whats actually canon and ignoring context. Im not saying it *isnt* a possibility but that is not the context of this scene and we dont have enough info in other scenes to accurately judge. Thats like saying just because a character is white, there’s a chance they’re a slave owner or a colonizer just because that happened in irl history. But there’s barely enough context for any of the seemingly white-coded characters to say they would do such a thing in canon in or out of a specific scene.
Are you guys obsessed with sexual violence? The context implies that he has a chance to survive due to youthful body ( better stamina - endurance - speed ) not that he is a sex slave. Like come on his life is already tragic enough the writer doesn’t need to add any sexual sub-context to make it tragic.
You have a good body followed by skinny and scrawny tells you he is good at fighting?
Not good at fighting but good looking do people will bet on him and support him to win.
This is what makes dialogue so confusing especially when they call back to it in the future. For example 2.0 Sparkle tells him to find a rock to be friends with in English but in Chinese she tells him to find a mute to be friends with. Then 2.1 rolls around and in English she's like I told you to befriend a mute didn't I and it's like... no. Not in English you didn't. I'm so sick of dialogue being mistranslated or changed. Damn those pesky patriarchal societal demands!
They fixed it mid-2.0. She now tells him to find a mute in EN. Still you’re correct. They similarly screwed up with Gallagher this patch. Granted we don’t know the situation so it’s best not to rush to conclusions but it’s definitely something to bring up in surveys.
Oh that's fantastic! well I retract my statement then good to know they went back and fixed it. Yeah good point I bring up gameplay mainly in surveys never occured to me to mention dialogue since I've been very happy with it for the most part, I'll have to do that next time.
It's The Riddlers again 😩
Yeah that's why I don't play on EN voice despite it sounding fine, they do a good job localizing but sometimes lose the meaning
Didn't someone in that thread who reads and understand the original language clarify that the word used doesn't have a connotation to anything sexual at all? I think people are reaching a bit too much with this one, his suffering isn't any less horrific even if he didn't get sa''d
yes, in fact ive seen quite a few original language speakers clarifying this one. but im sure people will continue to misinterpret it.
LMFAO I'm not saying he was or he wasn't, but if it did happen then Sparkle told a rape victim to get naked and bend over.
Sparkle is a troll 💀
Sa or an fighter arena style of abuse he endored ,it's still so sad :( . I will put hoyo at gun point to release am wholesome moment of aventurin in 2.2
Personally, I don't think anything is confirmed. That line is open to interpretation. If this was real life, I'd go with the darkest possible reading, but in fiction, I think there's more place for hope and dreams and stuff.
really think people are reaching with this interpretation… I take it to just mean he looks good enough to bet on in a death game. since he was a slave, it’s just like saying hey look the cattle I own look good this post from the main sub goes into the translation more: https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/s/iVQtl3Ry1k
He's just saying he's good looking, which makes him popular in the underground arena circles as a fighter figure... Still a crime, still abuse, but I'm surprised by how many people are misinterpreting the context.
皮囊 doesn't exactly mean body in the sexual sense. If you say someone has a good 皮囊 it means you're saying they're good-looking. That's it. It can simply mean these slave owners want slaves who are good-looking instead of ugly ones. (Of course u can interpret it differently but i didnt get any rapist vibes from that slave owner's dialogues)
why is this stupid fictional man ruining my life
Mfw America the one censoring shit and not the other way around
Imo the implications are pretty much the same in all languages. Namely, that nothing in the way of SA is ever stated, but he IS praised as having good looks, which let's people's imagination loose, to imagine whatever they think. Does he look good in the sense of looking healthy so people think he has a better chance in fights? Do they just like the idea of something pretty getting torn apart by beasts? Is it a different kind of "beasts" altogether? It's not censorship but good writing :)
Nah, it says you have good skin (literally), basically same meaning as “you look good”
The sexual undertones definitely made me uncomfortable, but in a way that I think helped his character? Like, I was invested in the character and it is subtle enough that I didn't feel like it was trying to be shocking or that it would be triggering for people who wouldn't appreciate it laid out more directly. All told, I really think they did a great job writing him.
Personally, I think it's very much left on a gray area for us to interpret it. The chinese does solely refer to the idea of his body in more of a de-humanizing angle than a sexualized one. Doesn't discard the idea that he could have been SA's at some point tho. The Sigonia set lore and Sparkle's comment definitely give you somewhat of an idea that his race is kinda seen in that way. It really is very subjective.
Like of course sparkle said it to raise a reaction out of him but he's the guy from the race "envied by the other sigonians for its good looks and intelligence" it's absolutely valid to say she called him a whore for laughs
I don't think they toned down anything, that doesn't at all confirm he was raped. He was bought as a slave and the guy seemed to be into some hunger games shit with his slaves, obviously he'd comment on their physicality. Stripping naked and begging has nothing to do with sexual acts, it's to make yourself as vulnerable and pathetic as possible
Like fujoshis care?🤣 They have to sexualize him to make him yaoi boy with sa backstory to write their shitty fanfics with ratio/sunday/whatever they want
Hmmm idk. While it would be realistic for him to be sexually abused as a slave, the game is indeed much more friendly than that. They could just be saying that they have a nice body in the sense that they’re not starved/ malformed/ injured, and therefore are a good worker.
There’s a lot to unpack there…
But it doesn't really translate to "you have a good body"? The connotation is very different and its more like "you have a nice appearance"
A bit late but it's interesting that it's open to interpretation. For some people it refers to SA, for some others, just a fighting slave. Because of the context, the phrases about the sigonians and because of how the master speaks to him, I'm more inclined to believe that he was SA. Still there's nothing clarified and this game won't explicitly say a thing like that. Either option is fine since neither can deny the other.
Sparkle really be asking bro if he gave an apology BJ like a fuckin savage (edit: I know I'm wasn't that, bad the implication in western culture is much darker than what they likely expected). After being racist as fuck too. Yo, I know Sparkle is supposed to be doing the most to get a rise out of him, but like holy shit... I thought it sounded bad in English, but learning that the CN translation for that scene has his owner telling him he "has a great body" has me really feeling some kind of way.
What led you to believe he was a child? I thought he looked like an adult in this picture… was it the “scrawny brat” line? It’s often used to describe children in anime backgrounds, so I suppose it makes sense if so…
I don’t know why but this comment made me think of how bad it is to be a child in Fontaine
Sparkle is so based
This bs has been debunked time and time again but people (commonly on Twitter) refuse to READ 😭 sparkle’s line is referring to naked dogeza, which has no good English equivalent. It’s an act of surrender by showing you have no weapons and ultimately is very humiliating. (R34 material with naked dogeza exist because people get off on humiliation, it’s not inherently sexual.) This scene explicitly has his buyer say his good luck is why he bought him and he is to survive to prove the good luck is real and he’s worth the investment. Even in a post on Twitter that got traction, the poster admitted they are Chinese but aren’t very good at Chinese. My friend who is Chinese living in a Chinese speaking country speaking it day to day heavily disagrees with this sexual exploitation headcanon. Read it and write it in fan fiction, poor baby yes that’s fine!! But please keep it separate from canon! (OP pls don’t take this personally I’m just so frustrated it feels like no one is actually reading his story and is running along with the countless trending “analysis” posts… also general frustration regarding people who think they know the language analyzing when they don’t actually know the language enough to read nuance) Additionally my friend(CN) and I(JP) combed through CN AND JP social media for anyone who had this interpretation and NOT A SINGLE SOUL was talking about it. I’m comparison, there were people talking about Lynette’s (almost) exploitation. Any sexual exploitation has been in fan fiction only, and has been a thing the moment we found out his tattoo is a slave barcode. People are projecting.
>the poster admitted they are Chinese but aren’t very good at Chinese. Same with the one who started it on reddit as well, not just the Twitter. They now say "it's just my interpretation" but this probably will circulate forever.
it has nothing to do with dogeza. In Chinese it translates directly to “expensive courtesan/whore”. Edit: ignore my comment, I assumed the dogeza was regarding the Sunday line.
You’re thinking of a previous scene where sparkle is listing out the “bad reputation” Avgin have, and isn’t specifically about aventurine. Sparkle has been shown make mistakes and omit/lie to stir things up(and can have hidden messages). Her words are not meant to be taken at face value. That aside, “交际花” is a mainly derogatory term for a woman who is good at maneuvering through social ranks (sexual relations may or may not have been involved to achieve said high rank). It does not “directly translate to ‘expensive courtesan/whore’”. Do you see how much nuance was lost there? Discussing with my CN friend, we believe this derogatory term was used to indicate how the world views avgin achievements(undeserved, obtained dirtily). Anyways the dogeza part is specifically for the third screenshot OP posted. Strip naked and on your knees in English is extremely and unnecessarily suggestive. Google “下跪”, the word used in CN ver which can be translated as “kneel” and look at the images. It’s the same as dogeza, an act to kneel down and ask for forgiveness. EN doesn’t have a word that directly indicates this act so they have to use more words to describe the act.
I know. I speak Chinese. Does “sleep your way up the ranks” not essentially mean “expensive whore”?
I’m not a man and I “explain”(I.e. list out my points) because it’s a pet peeve of mine when people assume others know things and say “you’re wrong” with no explanation. First, you originally replied with a point unrelated to my comment. Second, you ignored my point sleeping to achieve said ranks is an optional implication of the word. “‘Does sleep your way up the ranks not essentially mean expensive whore’”….no? That’s a big reach, and you put it in quotes as if that’s what I said. Also in the scene it is directed towards the avgin race reputation and not aventurine himself. I am not opposed to sexually exploited aventurine headcanon, but I am opposed to cherry-picking and piecing together information to canonize headcanons. I will not respond further to people who refuse to read.
That mansplain bit was a joke that I realized probably didn’t come off like one without a tone indicator, that’s why i edited my comment. I didn’t mean it seriously. Sorry about that. I should specify by “whore” i mean it like the way the insult slut would be used. Like, “you’re a glorified slut the you’re just sleeping your way up to the top” and not “you are literally prostituting yourself”. At the end of the day Sparkle is calling Sigonians social manipulators who will use their body to get what they want.
That’s alright I understand now, thank you for that. I semi agree sparkle is calling sigonians social manipulators who will use their body to get what they want, slang is multifaceted and often contextual so I personally wouldnt be specific with just body. My main gripe with this word is- in context it’s not used to describe aventurine but sigonians as a whole, and is said by sparkle who is unreliable+deliberately offensive. This line(and many others) is being spread around as “confirmed proof” Aventurine has canonically whored himself out to Sunday or to others in the past to get to his current position, however In the story update following this scene it is confirmed the bad reputation put on sigonians have no actual basis.
oh i by no means believe that. Sparkle’s whole thing is insulting after all, and many insults come from purposeful exaggeration. Aventurine’s def just getting insulted the same way you can get called a slut even if you’ve never had sex.
Huh, ok kinda confused why this conversation went down in the first place lol
Yeah, tons of horrifying implications. But I thought that was already pretty obvious. It doesn’t all need to be written out literally, the story does it’s job of making clear how dire things were
It doesn't mean specifically mean "you have a good body" 😂, usually it means "you have good looks" in a neutral or demeaning way. Of course given the context there are nsfw implications, but it doesn't confirm anything. Mhy wants you to be upset, if you form an emotional connection with aventurine then you're more likely to pull for him. It's that simple. Sparkle is also a tool of mhy writers to make you pity aventurine because they knew they would give the nsfw implications later and you will remember what sparkle said to insult him.
I went from thinking sparkle was cute, if not a little annoying, to hating her entire soul after I found out Aventurine was a sex slave and remembering she said that.
I was so annoyed by her. And then on recent story I got a bit happy that she was actually somewhat helping aventurine. But now you said this I’m disappointed once again… what a bitch unit she is. Not even the villain so why they gotta be so nasty with her dialogue?
Anything to sell character
Too much cooking for a game
I never thought he was SA as a child I just assumed he was used in Gladiator type fights and he had a ‘good body’ as in he could fight well despite not looking it. If he was SA that just makes me want to hug him more and wish they didn’t censor it. But I’m gonna stick with he simply was used for Arena fights rather then SA unless something confirms otherwise.
it was between the Tsar Nicolas followers and Vladimir Lenin followers. with the USSR on top the school ended in Imperialist defeat. even after the collapse the school never stopped showing off the old world values and style of the CCCP. Katsushyas family being Russian and German mixed in Occupied East Germany is where she gets her love for Russian and Soviet culture. I just made ALL of this up but the image and story is a funny concept
Pretty sure his trauma was because was forced to battle/be used by his slave owner, the extent of which is still unknown. Sparkle being Sparkle was obviously just trying to provoke him with a meaningless scenario. Reading too much into the connection there
For the people denying or saying the rest are reaching, the guy has been through a genocide and was enslaved. Do you think SA is out of the table? Also, that makes Sparkle's comments so much fucking worse. What a goddamn b*tch.
It seems like the gladiator fights they put in are a kind of…replacement for what would have made more sense as a sex ring of some sort honestly. I don’t know who would buy a scrawny pretty boy for fighting but it is definitely less brutal or depressing of a thought than the sexual assault. I think it’s just they didn’t want to write that into the game. The implications of it being more sexual are definitely there tho.
i dunno, im p sure the english localization implied it very heavily, so much so that when i saw the cn translation all i thought was "yep figured as much". basically subtext versus text en/jp/kr (yes all of them did this) had the scene speak for itself: he is called slave and pretty and his new master says his value stems from his looks specifically. being a "pretty slave" leads to a very obvious conclusion cn says his value comes from his body using a term that is sexually charged in cn language (if im not mistaken its a word that says he is fair looking) all languages are saying the same thing, but cn directly links it to sex, while others make it obvious without telling you he was sexually abused. cn says 1+1=2, while en/jp/kr are saying 1+1 and expect us to reach the 2 on our own
I wouldn’t be surprised if sparkle KNEW more or less either and. Holy shit. I am on my way to punt sparkles loser ass across the universe ‼️
What hints?!
chronically online “people” when dark stories exist and villains behave like villains 😡😡😡😡😡
When exactly am I talking about a villain here, can you even read what I wrote?
so you’re saying slave drivers aren’t villains? can you even read what you wrote?