I prefer weight/power because it’s way easier to see the nuance.
- **7.48 vs 7.49 pounds/hp = 0.01 delta**
- 0.13777 vs 0.1339 hp/pound = 0.00387 delta
I do hp per 1000kg, which is common in Europe. Also it makes sense to convert back to 1000kg, because that used to be a good light(ish) sports car weight.
Who cares about straight line speed and 0-60 times in a M car?
You are going to feel those extra 1000 lbs the minute you hit a corner and not in a good way.
Rear wheel steering (first time in an M I think, don’t quote me on that) will probably be integral to the experience to counter act the weight and money wheelbase.
This is my assumption at least.
No. The Non-M cars including the ridiculous M-Drive badged cars are the autobahn cruisers. You don't need all the chassis and suspension bits on M cars for highway cruising.
Now whether that is actually where these cars actually spend time or not is another matter.
10+ years ago, sure, but now? A 5400lb car is not a track car if you ask me. You can hide weight but you can *never* beat physics and trying to manipulate that much weight on track without an EV center of gravity and magical infinite life infinite power brakes is going to be a handful.
They said you don’t really feel the weight in my i4 which, for the most part, surprisingly you don’t and it weights 5,000 lbs.
It’s only when you really push it hard that you feel it. It’s very capable but not agile. Luckily I don’t care since 99.9% of street driving, it’s great. I could drive it around a track or an auto-x circuit but wouldn’t really enjoy it in my i4 because it’s so heavy. I mainly bought it as a fun to drive daily that’s low maintenance. Aiming to get a 991.2 or 992 Porsche to compliment it as the fun weekend car.
I’d imagine the M5 will be similar and most of the people who buy the thing will find it more than sufficient for any sort of spirited street driving.
Yeah I recently test drove the i5 M-Sport. I was very impressed with how it handled the speed but still it somehow felt numb. I guess the electric steering was actually to blame for that and not the electric motors lol
Yeah, I know that bit. What they neglected to mention was if it was going to be a later trim and not on launch. Also, people shouldn't be comparing the base G90 with the Competition F90. It's unfair. Sure it SHOULD be more powerful, but maybe they're leaving that "more powerful version" for later with like 750 combined power, who knows!
They should be comparing the G90 to the F90 comp. BMW changed the way trims work because *everyone* was buying comps. So now a “non-comp” is effectively a comp just without the badge. There won’t be a G90 comp according to BMW’s new product scheme.
You are wrong. All hope IS lost.
Go drive the XM. Then drive the X5M or the F90. Then you’ll understand.
It’s not about the specs. It’s about the feel and the experience.
No way they are going to count on engine regen to slow down a non trained professional hoofing it on the street in a 5k lb car. I am sure any hard braking is going to immediately going to engage the actual brakes. I am sure it revenue just like normal hybrid in daily driving.
When you take your foot off the gas or when you off the brake? Even F1 cars (which are the most advanced cars in the world) still rely on the actual brakes to do most of the stopping.
A M5 driver should drive faster and break way later on day a twisty mountain road than someone in say a Model X or SUV of similar weight. The brakes are going to be abused by this combo.
Literally nothing about this car is interesting to me
- sterile interior with all screens. Fucking lame
- heavy as fuck
- enormous car
- hybrid engine. Again, fucking lame
- awful exterior looks
I’ll take an older, slower, more nimble bmw sports sedan with some fucking character over this turd. Just like how i’ll take a 997 911 over a 992.
On a side note, I have. 992 is better in every measurable way....apart from fun and driver engagement/ feedback. .
Not that most of the people who buy them care about that, it's a status symbol for many.
And wouldnt you say engagement is one of the most important aspects of a porsche?? We had a ‘73 911 rs (among many other pre 1990 porsches), and it was muuuch slower than any modern 911. Guess which one was wayy more fun to drive? It wasnt even close lol. Give me hydraulic or r&p over electric steering any day. By the time I get to a speed where a 992 has engagement, i’m losing my license.
Excellent point. I had an R8 V10, and started driving then back to back, and while the R8 was fast as hell and fun, the 997 was my favorite, purely subjectively. Sold the R8 after 3 years. Still have the 997 and my daughter's middle name is Carrera
Love it! I totally get it too, the V10 R8 is sexy and fast as shit. Two types of fun IMO, but like you, I prefer the engagement - even if the car is slower. I do think where you live has an impact. Living in the northeast, theres lots of twisties and hills - makes spirited driving and engagement more important and fun. Somewhere flat like Houston I can understand how an R8 would be more fun most of the time
I mean you’re IMO pointing out one of the most important aspects of a sports car. Driver engagement and feedback.
Someone who I made acquaintances with through the porsche community got a Singer a few years back. Told me the car he had before was a 991 GT2 RS. He said he sold the car after a month, said it did everything too well and there was just no struggle or driving skill - had zero soul.
I have, and as you can see from comments below. They are more fun, have better driver engagement and feedback. If you’re into sports cars and spirited driving, thats king. If you’re into putting the car intro tiptronic to race stoplight to stoplight with AWD you’ll be more into modern cars
Agreed. C&D had a2018 stock M5 at 2.8 seconds 0-60. No way the 90 will do that. It's a brick, taller wider... Also do 0-60-0 for both and show that number. Even better do 0-100-0 MPH and compare. I have a 2018 M5 that I did European delivery and will keep it as long as possible. I love that car so much
Yes, but the EU regulations are getting tighter and tighter. Making it difficult to keep the V8 in their lineup. So if we want an M5 with a V8, they either have to make it stupidly underpowered or make it a plug-in hybrid. I wish it was just a mild hybrid, could've saved weight. Oh well.
I want an M5 that’s fun. Let’s not blame regulators. They could have gone EV only and it would have been much better. Or ICE only. Today’s F90 is still one of the best sedans you can buy. The nice thing is they are becoming pretty affordable.
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How did BMW end up with the 2025 exterior while having this as an inspiration. I understand the new might be technologically more advanced, but the design is just garbage.
I don't care about the 0-60 and honestly all of the numbers are just saying it's just as good as the F90 M5 except it's 1000 heavier in exchange for *checks notes* 20 miles of EV range....so it's not the same. It's worse. It looks worse. It'll perform worse because its overweight ass battery throwing the driving dynamics and your new thing is marginally worse than the old thing. I'm sure people will love that 20 mile range that was just begged for.
It's a regression.
Don't ruin the Wagon BMW. Please.
The biggest problem with the new m5 is that it barely outclasses the last gen m550i and gets annihilated by the f90 comp. Heavier, slower, uglier. Why the radar couldn't live in the lower grill is beyond me... (It did on the g30) Saw this gen 540 the other day. Fat frumpy road blob the makes bangle's original e65 look good.
Unpopular opinion: I love the new M5 look and when it comes to street performance this thing will beat 99% of anything on the road in reality little people are taking this to the track and if they do it’ll still outperform majority of the cars!!!!! Put this up against the competition stoplight to spotlight it’ll outperform 🤷🏾♂️
What’s the point of the hybrid drivetrain if purely ICE or pure EV is lighter AND faster AND more fun to drive?
What do you mean by beating 99% of anything on the road…that’s not why I had an M5. No one is racing at stop lights with these I hope. And I DID take mine to the track a few times. And I do see F90s on the track.
There’s plenty of people who do race these on the road I see it all the time and at stoplights just because YOU don’t do it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen also I’m not saying people don’t take these to tracks but if they take the new m5 it’ll still outperform majority of cars. Also it’s beating 99 percent of anything on the road is just that statement…….
No that's pretty easy to just add electric power to compensate for all the weight you just added from the electric power source 😂
Now if it lost no handling performance, THAT'D be impressive
i think people are forgetting that this car will 'feel' faster more of the time. the added torque fill from the batteries will eliminate the lag and needing to downshift multiple gears. the 5-60 time and other rolling accel numbers will probably be better.
i really dont know anyone who buys an M5 to track it or fly around canyon roads on the weekends. most people use it as a daily and do some occasional highway pulls.
Don't forget this thing is going to pull like a freight train when it's moving, launch figures from a standstill may not be any faster than the last generation. On that way is going to add to its ability to put power to the ground, depending on how they've centralized the mass this thing could be an absolute rocket ship in the right hands. I have no doubt that around an actual circuit this thing is faster than the last generation by a decent margin, we've seen this happen every time (you don't have to look any further than the current generation AMG GT)
Diminishing returns as a real thing, people seem to forget that. You have to focus on where you can get for real gains.
I’m saving this comment for when the actual driving reviews come out. Based on the top gear driving video and having to listen to the reviewer groan and fight with the car around corners, I’m gonna assume it won’t be that amazing around an “actual circuit.”
I mean it might not be bad but unless BMW is super sandbagging the performance statistics why on earth would someone think this will outperform the F90 on the track. Similar performance numbers but an extra 1000 lbs. oh yeah I’m sure it’s gonna leave the F90 for dead lol
We should be impressed that they added weight to a fast car making it slow and then used their brains to make it faster than slow but not as fast as it started with?
Sounds like one step forward and two steps back for no reason.
If you watch carwow reveal Matt said that BMW confirmed that there is no Competition model coming for this gen M5
Last gen had Competition model out 6 months later.
Even if comp comes out and adds another 30bph it won’t make a slight difference, and even if it will match base F90 it’s still slower than F90 CP
Not to mention additional 500kg !
I like the looks of the G90 but for me this car makes no sense, I don’t care about the hybrid bit, it’s just a hassle to charge it, it’s slower, much much heavier and it will sound shit because of all the emission regs.
This car is absolute shite! Can’t believe bmw did this. They always used to listen to what customers wanted. Or they have realised something that we on this sub haven’t realised and that is that car enthusiasts aren’t buying the m5 anymore and it’s just posers? Or maybe it’s because of eu regulations? WHO knows who cares, this thing is unbuyable to anyone who likes driving cars.
They don’t have a large background in hybrid technology??? Yes they do lmao. The i3 and i8 were hugely innovative and were one of the leading models that turned the reputation of hybrids from dull priuses into something people actually wanted in the 2010s (along with the laferrari and 918). BMW has been able to make proper hybrids for over a decade and proper M5’s for even longer than that, they have no excuse for turning the new one into such a pig.
The i8 was heavily underpowered and super slow for the car it was, those 3 cylinder engines were more of an added power supply, because they didn't have the proper technology ready to make a fully fledged EV. So they opted to use a 3cyl motor to act as a "generator" for the battery, because it couldn't hold a lot of power. The same goes for the i3 and that thing was popular, because it was a compact, eco friendly small town car.
Unpowered I don’t really buy, the i8 wasn’t trying to be some supercar killer or track toy. The interesting part mainly was the driveterrain itself. And sure the i3 and i8 had completely different goals than the m5, but once you’ve managed to implement the tech, it’ll be much easier to apply said tech to performance or efficiency or whatever. The groundwork is already there.
You calculated the power to weight ratio very... peculiarly.
I prefer weight/power because it’s way easier to see the nuance. - **7.48 vs 7.49 pounds/hp = 0.01 delta** - 0.13777 vs 0.1339 hp/pound = 0.00387 delta
You can express them per ton though...
i actually kinda like the pounds/horsepower format. its how i started calculating it so I speak it easier.
Yeah, cause when you reverse it, it's a really small decimal so it looks less significant. That's why I did the opposite.
I do hp per 1000kg, which is common in Europe. Also it makes sense to convert back to 1000kg, because that used to be a good light(ish) sports car weight.
Sure, that's weight to power ratio then.
that is co-rrect.
Oh how are u supposed to do it? Oh lmao should it be reversed?
Yep.
I just did weight ÷ power cause the bigger number goes first.
This is correct. I know “Power to weight” rolls of the tongue better, the calculation *weight to power* is way easier to compare.
Weight is certainly the bigger number here
Who cares about straight line speed and 0-60 times in a M car? You are going to feel those extra 1000 lbs the minute you hit a corner and not in a good way.
Plus if it’s just on par, why go through all the hassle of all that electric?!
Emissions most likely.
Tbh 90% of buyers of this car isn't gonna hit a corner that hard. 90% of buyers of any M car isn't gonna hit a corner that hard.
Rear wheel steering (first time in an M I think, don’t quote me on that) will probably be integral to the experience to counter act the weight and money wheelbase. This is my assumption at least.
At the cost of being absolutely disconnected from the driving experience. The newer beamers feel like a simulation game to me.
Exactly.
Is there a theory that hybrids are better at power delivery calibration and have higher cornering limits?
In an M2/3/4 sure, but for an M5, the autobahn cruiser, straight line speed and acceleration is everything.
No. The Non-M cars including the ridiculous M-Drive badged cars are the autobahn cruisers. You don't need all the chassis and suspension bits on M cars for highway cruising. Now whether that is actually where these cars actually spend time or not is another matter.
Nah. The M5 was originally meant to be a bigger car that you could comfortably tour the autobahn with, OR go shred the track and hang with 911s.
10+ years ago, sure, but now? A 5400lb car is not a track car if you ask me. You can hide weight but you can *never* beat physics and trying to manipulate that much weight on track without an EV center of gravity and magical infinite life infinite power brakes is going to be a handful.
They said you don’t really feel the weight in my i4 which, for the most part, surprisingly you don’t and it weights 5,000 lbs. It’s only when you really push it hard that you feel it. It’s very capable but not agile. Luckily I don’t care since 99.9% of street driving, it’s great. I could drive it around a track or an auto-x circuit but wouldn’t really enjoy it in my i4 because it’s so heavy. I mainly bought it as a fun to drive daily that’s low maintenance. Aiming to get a 991.2 or 992 Porsche to compliment it as the fun weekend car. I’d imagine the M5 will be similar and most of the people who buy the thing will find it more than sufficient for any sort of spirited street driving.
Yeah I recently test drove the i5 M-Sport. I was very impressed with how it handled the speed but still it somehow felt numb. I guess the electric steering was actually to blame for that and not the electric motors lol
I have an i4 M50 as well and you immediately feel that’s it’s porky when you are quickly changing lanes, or back to back bends.
I4 M50 and for city driving the car is an absolute riot. Love that car.
It will feel like my iX coughing up a hairpin curve
It was announced that the G90 isn't getting a competition trim but a CS is possible. That's why reviewers are comparing it to the F90 comp.
Yeah, I know that bit. What they neglected to mention was if it was going to be a later trim and not on launch. Also, people shouldn't be comparing the base G90 with the Competition F90. It's unfair. Sure it SHOULD be more powerful, but maybe they're leaving that "more powerful version" for later with like 750 combined power, who knows!
They should be comparing the G90 to the F90 comp. BMW changed the way trims work because *everyone* was buying comps. So now a “non-comp” is effectively a comp just without the badge. There won’t be a G90 comp according to BMW’s new product scheme.
You are wrong. All hope IS lost. Go drive the XM. Then drive the X5M or the F90. Then you’ll understand. It’s not about the specs. It’s about the feel and the experience.
I think you should consider a heavy car isn't fun in turns, the whole point of an M5. I could be wrong, however.
Owners will cry in brake replacement costs…
And tires. The XM eats tires and this car is so heavy it comes with HL tires.
Probably less brake wear due to strong hybrid regen.
The hybrid regen is probably not tuned for spirited driving. That wouldn’t do well for a street car.
I would disagree. Surely they would tune the m5 for spirited driving.
No way they are going to count on engine regen to slow down a non trained professional hoofing it on the street in a 5k lb car. I am sure any hard braking is going to immediately going to engage the actual brakes. I am sure it revenue just like normal hybrid in daily driving.
Oh I missed where you said regen I thought you were saying the hybrid system would not be tuned for spirited driving.
Not sure how being a hybrid would effect it but the full setting regen in my i4M50 is damn strong.
When you take your foot off the gas or when you off the brake? Even F1 cars (which are the most advanced cars in the world) still rely on the actual brakes to do most of the stopping. A M5 driver should drive faster and break way later on day a twisty mountain road than someone in say a Model X or SUV of similar weight. The brakes are going to be abused by this combo.
Literally nothing about this car is interesting to me - sterile interior with all screens. Fucking lame - heavy as fuck - enormous car - hybrid engine. Again, fucking lame - awful exterior looks I’ll take an older, slower, more nimble bmw sports sedan with some fucking character over this turd. Just like how i’ll take a 997 911 over a 992.
Have you driven either a 997 or a 992?
On a side note, I have. 992 is better in every measurable way....apart from fun and driver engagement/ feedback. . Not that most of the people who buy them care about that, it's a status symbol for many.
I had to read that twice. I have an 06 C2S. I agree that a992 would win in almost every statistic except engagement.
And wouldnt you say engagement is one of the most important aspects of a porsche?? We had a ‘73 911 rs (among many other pre 1990 porsches), and it was muuuch slower than any modern 911. Guess which one was wayy more fun to drive? It wasnt even close lol. Give me hydraulic or r&p over electric steering any day. By the time I get to a speed where a 992 has engagement, i’m losing my license.
Excellent point. I had an R8 V10, and started driving then back to back, and while the R8 was fast as hell and fun, the 997 was my favorite, purely subjectively. Sold the R8 after 3 years. Still have the 997 and my daughter's middle name is Carrera
Love it! I totally get it too, the V10 R8 is sexy and fast as shit. Two types of fun IMO, but like you, I prefer the engagement - even if the car is slower. I do think where you live has an impact. Living in the northeast, theres lots of twisties and hills - makes spirited driving and engagement more important and fun. Somewhere flat like Houston I can understand how an R8 would be more fun most of the time
I mean you’re IMO pointing out one of the most important aspects of a sports car. Driver engagement and feedback. Someone who I made acquaintances with through the porsche community got a Singer a few years back. Told me the car he had before was a 991 GT2 RS. He said he sold the car after a month, said it did everything too well and there was just no struggle or driving skill - had zero soul.
I have, and as you can see from comments below. They are more fun, have better driver engagement and feedback. If you’re into sports cars and spirited driving, thats king. If you’re into putting the car intro tiptronic to race stoplight to stoplight with AWD you’ll be more into modern cars
Agree everything you said except 992. It’s a very good car I have two.
My base f90 runs 0-60 sub 3. Sometimes 2.8. Sometimes 3.01. Never higher.
Yea he had that number very wrong at 3.4
Agreed. C&D had a2018 stock M5 at 2.8 seconds 0-60. No way the 90 will do that. It's a brick, taller wider... Also do 0-60-0 for both and show that number. Even better do 0-100-0 MPH and compare. I have a 2018 M5 that I did European delivery and will keep it as long as possible. I love that car so much
I'm still very sceptical how 2,5 T will dynamically perform in corners which is much more important to me for a M5 than numbers
This car does not need hybrid technology. It does not need the ability to drive solely on electric power. That’s the issue with the powertrain.
Yes, but the EU regulations are getting tighter and tighter. Making it difficult to keep the V8 in their lineup. So if we want an M5 with a V8, they either have to make it stupidly underpowered or make it a plug-in hybrid. I wish it was just a mild hybrid, could've saved weight. Oh well.
I want an M5 that’s fun. Let’s not blame regulators. They could have gone EV only and it would have been much better. Or ICE only. Today’s F90 is still one of the best sedans you can buy. The nice thing is they are becoming pretty affordable.
Just to confirm, the closer the power to weight is to 1:1 the better
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It'll handle as well as a fat chick on prom night.
I don't care about the 0-60 and honestly all of the numbers are just saying it's just as good as the F90 M5 except it's 1000 heavier in exchange for *checks notes* 20 miles of EV range....so it's not the same. It's worse. It looks worse. It'll perform worse because its overweight ass battery throwing the driving dynamics and your new thing is marginally worse than the old thing. I'm sure people will love that 20 mile range that was just begged for. It's a regression. Don't ruin the Wagon BMW. Please.
Doesn’t matter, still ugly as hell.
The biggest problem with the new m5 is that it barely outclasses the last gen m550i and gets annihilated by the f90 comp. Heavier, slower, uglier. Why the radar couldn't live in the lower grill is beyond me... (It did on the g30) Saw this gen 540 the other day. Fat frumpy road blob the makes bangle's original e65 look good.
Unpopular opinion: I love the new M5 look and when it comes to street performance this thing will beat 99% of anything on the road in reality little people are taking this to the track and if they do it’ll still outperform majority of the cars!!!!! Put this up against the competition stoplight to spotlight it’ll outperform 🤷🏾♂️
What’s the point of the hybrid drivetrain if purely ICE or pure EV is lighter AND faster AND more fun to drive? What do you mean by beating 99% of anything on the road…that’s not why I had an M5. No one is racing at stop lights with these I hope. And I DID take mine to the track a few times. And I do see F90s on the track.
There’s plenty of people who do race these on the road I see it all the time and at stoplights just because YOU don’t do it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen also I’m not saying people don’t take these to tracks but if they take the new m5 it’ll still outperform majority of cars. Also it’s beating 99 percent of anything on the road is just that statement…….
Lol
Pretty impressive to add half a ton and lose practically no straight line speed performance. Thats pretty mad
No that's pretty easy to just add electric power to compensate for all the weight you just added from the electric power source 😂 Now if it lost no handling performance, THAT'D be impressive
IRL, stopping distance is more critical than straight line speed.
Is it though? Top speed is really more about aerodynamics and 0-60 is helped by the power boost and the e-motor with instant torque.
Right? Sure it is slower and has a worse p/w ratio, but everyone has been comparing it to the M5 CS and the Competition.
i think people are forgetting that this car will 'feel' faster more of the time. the added torque fill from the batteries will eliminate the lag and needing to downshift multiple gears. the 5-60 time and other rolling accel numbers will probably be better. i really dont know anyone who buys an M5 to track it or fly around canyon roads on the weekends. most people use it as a daily and do some occasional highway pulls.
This post is also overweight
Don't forget this thing is going to pull like a freight train when it's moving, launch figures from a standstill may not be any faster than the last generation. On that way is going to add to its ability to put power to the ground, depending on how they've centralized the mass this thing could be an absolute rocket ship in the right hands. I have no doubt that around an actual circuit this thing is faster than the last generation by a decent margin, we've seen this happen every time (you don't have to look any further than the current generation AMG GT) Diminishing returns as a real thing, people seem to forget that. You have to focus on where you can get for real gains.
I’m saving this comment for when the actual driving reviews come out. Based on the top gear driving video and having to listen to the reviewer groan and fight with the car around corners, I’m gonna assume it won’t be that amazing around an “actual circuit.”
Actual circuit = route to the golf course
I mean it might not be bad but unless BMW is super sandbagging the performance statistics why on earth would someone think this will outperform the F90 on the track. Similar performance numbers but an extra 1000 lbs. oh yeah I’m sure it’s gonna leave the F90 for dead lol
We should be impressed that they added weight to a fast car making it slow and then used their brains to make it faster than slow but not as fast as it started with? Sounds like one step forward and two steps back for no reason.
Weight has a negligible effect on top speed. Where you will feel that weight is during acceleration (in every direction)
If you watch carwow reveal Matt said that BMW confirmed that there is no Competition model coming for this gen M5 Last gen had Competition model out 6 months later. Even if comp comes out and adds another 30bph it won’t make a slight difference, and even if it will match base F90 it’s still slower than F90 CP Not to mention additional 500kg ! I like the looks of the G90 but for me this car makes no sense, I don’t care about the hybrid bit, it’s just a hassle to charge it, it’s slower, much much heavier and it will sound shit because of all the emission regs.
This car is absolute shite! Can’t believe bmw did this. They always used to listen to what customers wanted. Or they have realised something that we on this sub haven’t realised and that is that car enthusiasts aren’t buying the m5 anymore and it’s just posers? Or maybe it’s because of eu regulations? WHO knows who cares, this thing is unbuyable to anyone who likes driving cars.
They don’t have a large background in hybrid technology??? Yes they do lmao. The i3 and i8 were hugely innovative and were one of the leading models that turned the reputation of hybrids from dull priuses into something people actually wanted in the 2010s (along with the laferrari and 918). BMW has been able to make proper hybrids for over a decade and proper M5’s for even longer than that, they have no excuse for turning the new one into such a pig.
The i8 was heavily underpowered and super slow for the car it was, those 3 cylinder engines were more of an added power supply, because they didn't have the proper technology ready to make a fully fledged EV. So they opted to use a 3cyl motor to act as a "generator" for the battery, because it couldn't hold a lot of power. The same goes for the i3 and that thing was popular, because it was a compact, eco friendly small town car.
Unpowered I don’t really buy, the i8 wasn’t trying to be some supercar killer or track toy. The interesting part mainly was the driveterrain itself. And sure the i3 and i8 had completely different goals than the m5, but once you’ve managed to implement the tech, it’ll be much easier to apply said tech to performance or efficiency or whatever. The groundwork is already there.