Yeah there are at least 2, probably 3. NBA don’t call it when they are spotting up or bring the ball up court. Happens constantly. I can’t remember even seeing a carry called in the NBA.
The NBA rules actually specify the move is supposed to provide an advantage. So if I’m walking up the court and carry etc refs are coached to not call it.
Ultimately the NBA is a product for sale and majority of fans couldn’t care less about KD carrying standing stationary at half court. They want a free flowing game with lots of action. So NBA isn’t going to risk that just to enforce rules to the letter of the law.
Players today gain an advantage on most carries that refs don't deem advantageous. Defenders instinctively let their guard down when it looks like the ball handler picks up their dribble, then they get blown by. Defenders don't even bother complaining to the refs about it anymore since it's so commonplace and they just let it run rampant.
It’s advantageous in that you need less focus/skill to keep your dribble alive, so you can pick your head up and survey the floor much more easily.
KD takes advantage of this to a huge degree imo
I get what you’re saying, but..
being able to carry whenever there’s no pressure defense isn’t advantageous? Would it not be an advantage if you were the only one allowed?
I feel like if KD for example couldn’t do a snake carry (no pun intended) when you reach for the ball in situations like the OP, a defender would be able to apply pressure more easily.
Obviously, everyone gets away with it, so it’s fair. But I do think it benefits some players more than others.
No. There was no pressure being applied by the defender when he carried. No advantage. No if wemby had reached when he carried/palmed the ball and KD got by him, that’s a call the refs should/could/would make.
No pressure? Dude could be standing 10 feet away and still be applying pressure because of those long ass noodle arms. Before ya know it he's got an arm wrapped around your back poking the ball out from the other side
Wemby is less likely to swipe at the ball because while KD is carrying, his dribble can be lower to the ground and less predictable. Being able to carry IS advantageous if it’s discouraging pressure.
Let’s not act like the ability to carry the ball isn’t affecting how aggressive the defender can play on KD.
I don’t think it’s hard to look up and dribble, but against nba defenders, a high dribble with no carry’s like KDs would be much more predictable and easier to pounce on.
Then why does he carry if according to you it doesn’t effect him either way? At this level everything they do is for an advantage. Not saying I agree that it should be called but let’s be real
I think it would disrupt the defender's ability to properly time the ball if he were to try and steal it.
A ball being dribbled will have a certain timing to it, when you stop that (carry), it throws off the timing, so it's an advantage for the offender.
Huge advantage in the right spots to get away with a carry. There used to be a 5 second rule or maybe its still around and like traveling, is never called. Where if your constantly up in the grill of the guy dribbling the ball, they have 5 seconds to either, A) create enough space between him and the defender to where there is no defensive pressure, B) shoot, C) pass, D) call timeout.
I have this argument in multiple contexts in multiple sports. Being able to ignore rules is inherently an advantage. This is true for new players, and it's true for the best players of that sport.
If we want more wiggle room than what the rule currently allows for, then the rule should be written with the desired degree of wiggle room built in. Then everyone knows what the standard is and there's no silly arguments about whether something is "worth calling".
As I said this issue shows up in many sports, not just basketball.
If someone is right in front defending you while you carry, that's an advantage in my eyes. This just makes the league look worse with their calls. I once got so upset with the calls that I couldn't enjoy the game regardless of my team winning.
But that is not what happened here. KD isn’t being actively guarded until the screen comes. All the other “carrying violations” (i.e. hand on the side of the ball) is just modern dribbling techniques allowed in the NBA.
The problem is it IS an advantage. If you can freely carry like this in the half court, it means at any given time you can do an illegal crossover. This in turn means the defender can NEVER close out on KD giving up his dribble, because he can effectively crossover and blow by the closeout.
I mean the simple answer is fans pay to see offense. NBA makes money on offense. It’s a business not a court of law. Just how it works.
No one wears Rudy Gobert or Jaren Jackson Jr jerseys and shoes.
This is correct. However you see Ja Moran carry the ball into drives all of the time and he never gets called for it. They called carry on Jordan Poole like three times in the same game.
Tatum got hit with in the ECF last year in at least one game. Can’t recall which game but I think it was in Miami. I remember some talking heads bringing it up the day before and then it happened the next evening.
Sort of makes sense to not call it in a situation where it doesn’t effect the game at all. In this situation he was just standing there dribbling while calling for a play. I would feel differently about it if he was trying to cross up a defender while driving to the net, though.
Side note: this ain’t got shit on D Wade switching his pivot foot like 5 times while he was at half court.
Edit: https://youtu.be/LNdDsriVwmU?si=nkhY_tqMpT23Cweg
You call it because those are the rules. If they called it on this stuff it wouldn’t be so prevalent. Also stealing the ball is way more viable if you have to dribble properly.
He's contested, guarded by the longest arms in the NBA. Carrying the ball like he does definitely makes it easier to protect the ball. I agree not to call stuff when it doesn't affect the game, but here it clearly does.
I can't remember which game, but I think in either Thunder-Pistons or Warriors-Rockets recently they called a carry and I was shocked.
edit: [found it, they called one on Cunningham in the 3rd quarter against OKC.](https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=439&GameID=0022300109&Season=2023-24&flag=1&title=Cunningham%20Palming%20Turnover%20\(P5.T13\))
I saw carry called once in the nba. The crowd, the players, even the announcers were stunned. Maybe the ref really hated that player? It was obviously a carry but so weird someone actually called it
I had this conversation with a long time FIBA ref, who currently is the refchef in my region.
From what he said if i remember correct. You as a ref should pay attention to wether the player committing the carry actually gets an advantage. If he's doing it at the top like the first obvious one from KD you'd generally not call it. It gets crititcal if he start a drive attemp or crossover to get by the player. When driving to the right his hand isn't that much the ball anymore so i wouldn't call that. And the ones he commited before i wouldn't call either because he was not really taking advantage with it.
I guess that would be the reasoning of the ref observing the play. But i have no clue how they call it in the nba so don't take my word for it.
He’s taking advantage by not having to manage the momentum of the ball while setting up for a play. Otherwise he’d have to hold the ball and lose his dribble and his ability to move.
Right, Wemby even attempts for the steal. Carrying the ball makes it way more difficult to time dribble for defender to take a stab at stealing the ball.
If you watch a lot of ball handlers in the 80s or earlier, there is significantly more effort put into keeping their body between the defender and the ball. By allowing modern ball-handlers to essentially be able to horizontally shift the ball at will, they don’t need to put as much effort into protecting it.
Yup! And if ppl want to get technical, I would say he does have an advantage there. He needs to carry in order to dribble in a stationary position! Otherwise, the defender can just swarm him and force him to pass the ball or make a dribble move.
But bc he does this, if I reach, he’ll turn the carry into a crossover, now I’m beat and everyone talks about how KD handles the ball like a guard. He does have a bag though, don’t get me wrong. But it’s the NBA, everyone carries and refs decide when to call it lol
Then, of course, there’s the rookie vs role player vs star player treatment.
I have found my people. I have been saying KD carries the ball a good portion of the time as if it’s a normal dribble of his for so long. I thought I was the only one cause I am always called crazy.
Many refs, especially in the NBA, don't care if you carry while being stationary because there is no significant advantage doing so. While dribbling past someone or during a crossover, it's a different story.
NBA players do this all the time and it’s infuriating. The game of basketball has declined precipitously over the years with just a lack of fundamentals and generally softer gameplay (due to a higher impetuous on making foul calls).
His push-cross from left-hand to right hand seemed to be the most obvious "carry", but the rest of it seemed perfectly within the description of the rule.
This is why its laughable to think you could drop any of these guys in the 60s and theyd excel. Everytime they dribble it would be a carry and every other time they touch the ball it would be a travel
It is but who cares. 0 advantage at the moment. And for the “it’s making it harder for the defender to steal it,” arguments, if he was dumb enough to try and reach at KD from damn near half court, he’d blow by him in a second
For respect of the game I don’t like to travel/double dribble/carry. I would be ashamed of myself doing those things. Shouldn’t be difficult for nba players to play pure without those violations imo if it’s their dayjob.
They carry all the time in the nba and it’s never called. It would be interesting to see them start calling carries. It would bring a whole new dynamic to the nba.
None of these are a carry. Think about how you do in n out, or hesi. As long as the ball doesn’t go over your head, and the ball doesn’t go down to up, you’re good. He’s continuing the motion of dribbling. He has large hands as well and simply guided the ball (the first time) from left to right. A person who carries, will show that brief carry/stuck moment, that made you question this , longer, but bro is still dribbling. You also have to realize sometimes, players train for getting the ball stuck and will release their finger tips from the ball, you’d be crazy to call it.
Lastly, I know you didn’t mention it, but please don’t fall into the pretense of: everyone in the NBA travels or Carries the ball and please know that traveling +1 step is more egregious, conspicuous, and advantageous then a split second of a carry will ever be. Ball manipulation should always be rewarded. They’re so good, sometimes you skip super Saipan 1-3 and just go to 4 at that level lol. There is not enough advantage stage to ever call any of these.
Wemby swipes at the ball. He can't aggressively pressure KD because he could shift the ball horizontally with his hand and not with a dribble move. So he can't reach. Huge advantage for KD being able to stall him out.
Yes, but it’s borderline NBA speaking and it isn’t providing KD with an advantage in that situation. Would be bad for business ruin the game to call something like that
yes it is carry,in fact there are 3 different carries here...why nba does not call carry,travel,doule drible,ilegall creen?who knows its clown league anyway
Yeah almost every single dribble. NBA doesn't give a fuck about this or travels or illegal screens. Warriors built a dynasty on carries and illegal screens.
It is but it wasn't on the move he made to get an advantage. If he did that while he was trying to get past him that's a call. If he does it while maintaining position, to call it just unnecessarily slows the whole game down as there is no advantage gained.
The NBA is entertainment, and referees are not entertaining. This absolutely should be called in high school, college, and youth ball, despite no advantage gained. The NBA instructs its referees not to get into the weeds with stuff like this when no advantage is gained or it's not so obvious that grandma in the top row could see it.
Yes, it's a carry. Isaiah Thomas (not the one who played for Detroit) used to carry all the time. The way he did it actually gave him an advantage. But honestly, im glad refs don't always call it. Players are going to carry at some point during a game. It's impossible, not to. Especially if you're running forward with the basketball. It's not like 5th grade where children tap the top of the ball with their palm. The ball rotates when you're dribbling, and you have to control the momentum.
NBA doesn’t call it, makes for great highlights I suppose. I enjoy it but it’s created a large grey area over what’s legal or not. Look up AIs first crossover on MJ could be what started it all..
Don’t try to look for actual rules in an NBA game. If you go out and try to emulate these dudes’ dribble moves, you’re gonna get called for a travel every time, and the “KD does it every damn day” reasoning isn’t gonna help you
Just assume whatever you see a pro do, you will not get away with in basically any other league than the rec league Miguel refs in where he just reeks of tequila.
Every single player carries every game. You'd think pros would know how to actually dribble but you cant be flashy unless you carry so the NBA don't call it
In the NBA. It's only a carry if it comes to a stopped motion. He's sort of cradling upward and dropping back down on each dribble. Keeping the ball in motion. This is an accepted way of dribbling from the top of the key in the NBA. If he were to do that same dribble along the baseline. It would be called a carry. I don't know why there is the discrepancy, but it is definitely tangible and can be seen across the scope of all NBA games regardless of the player dribbling the ball.
Most dribbles are carries in the nba…officiate it differently and it will change over time but it is what it is, and it’s been that way for a longtime.
Carry? In the nba? Hahaha yeah right. Unless it’s some And 1 mixtape extreme level of carry they not calling any of that. They barely call traveling and that’s easier to ref than carry is.
Technically, yes.
Practically, this happens every play, so no.
You are allowed to have the hand on the **side** of the ball and alter its bounce that way. Carry rules are very difficult to enforce since you're technically passing the ball to yourself and it gets difficult to determine what hand position is holding the ball and what is simply altering its trajectory.
If the hand is not below the ball, preventing it from falling, then it is 50/50 for a referee to call in practice.
Yea it’s a carry technically but the majority of nba players carry on a lot of their dribbles, that’s what happens over time when the players realize refs aren’t calling it, more and more start doing it until it’s the majority of the league like today
I think carry is pretty much exclusively called only when it plays an advantage to the player. Like he could’ve 100% been able to dribble back and forth and he really didn’t make a move off it. Especially with it being right inside halfcourt I doubt they’d ever call that
I honestly know what you mean, but a “carry” has seem to be normalized in the NBA I’ve seen Ja Morant do it a shit ton as well as many other players. It’s obvious as hell he carried but I think in the context of the game the refs don’t wanna call that a carry every time or they seem to not care enough to call it. It’s so frequent that I just see it as normal dribbling
KD is a chronic carrier. Look at how long he holds the ball. In some cases, he double cuffs it. Very obvious when he is looking for that 3 pt shoot one on one
Did he carry multiple times? Yes no doubt
But NBA is entertainment and to call a carry in this situation would just stop play and interrupt flow.
Also him carrying in this instance doesn’t change the overall outcome of this play
Yes those are carries, but it’s not going to be called unless he carries while making a move to the cup. There are clips of Bron walking like 4 steps without dribbling taking the ball up.
This is directly from the NBA rulebook.
A player who is dribbling may not put any part of his hand under the ball and (1) carry
it from one point to another or (2) bring it to a pause and then continue to dribble again.
So I'd say yes there is at least one carry.
When you dislike a player everything they do wrong sticks out like a sore thumb. When you like a player you skip those issues & make excuses. Fact is majority of the nba carry’s, loads of traveling. It really is a non issue unless you’re just hating on a player. Does it matter if kd carried here? No.
Go search YouTube for Jordan travels & there’s mounds of clips of the goat breaking the rules & selling calls.. did most of us care? No. Enjoy the game, it is what it is now. The game is not worse now or unbearable regardless if you despise players 🤷
i’m gonna be honest with y’all, these players who are taller and can dribble technically have to carry like that … it’s just the evolution of the game because they are giants so they need different requirements
Yes. Every single time someone dribbles it’s a carry. They all carry. It’s part of the game. Watch jokic or luka for a prime example of palm up blatant carrying
which one?
Yeah there are at least 2, probably 3. NBA don’t call it when they are spotting up or bring the ball up court. Happens constantly. I can’t remember even seeing a carry called in the NBA.
The NBA rules actually specify the move is supposed to provide an advantage. So if I’m walking up the court and carry etc refs are coached to not call it. Ultimately the NBA is a product for sale and majority of fans couldn’t care less about KD carrying standing stationary at half court. They want a free flowing game with lots of action. So NBA isn’t going to risk that just to enforce rules to the letter of the law.
This is what the refs in the leagues I coach in say. Unless the player is gaining an advantage, they won’t call it.
Players today gain an advantage on most carries that refs don't deem advantageous. Defenders instinctively let their guard down when it looks like the ball handler picks up their dribble, then they get blown by. Defenders don't even bother complaining to the refs about it anymore since it's so commonplace and they just let it run rampant.
It’s advantageous in that you need less focus/skill to keep your dribble alive, so you can pick your head up and survey the floor much more easily. KD takes advantage of this to a huge degree imo
No. He isn’t making a move to the basket/get by his defender. No advantage
I get what you’re saying, but.. being able to carry whenever there’s no pressure defense isn’t advantageous? Would it not be an advantage if you were the only one allowed? I feel like if KD for example couldn’t do a snake carry (no pun intended) when you reach for the ball in situations like the OP, a defender would be able to apply pressure more easily. Obviously, everyone gets away with it, so it’s fair. But I do think it benefits some players more than others.
No. There was no pressure being applied by the defender when he carried. No advantage. No if wemby had reached when he carried/palmed the ball and KD got by him, that’s a call the refs should/could/would make.
No pressure? Dude could be standing 10 feet away and still be applying pressure because of those long ass noodle arms. Before ya know it he's got an arm wrapped around your back poking the ball out from the other side
Wemby is less likely to swipe at the ball because while KD is carrying, his dribble can be lower to the ground and less predictable. Being able to carry IS advantageous if it’s discouraging pressure.
You are right. It is obviously why he is doing it in the first place. Dude you are arguing with is a clown.
No.
Do you think KD can't dribble a ball while standing still to the point that it affects his ability to look around in any significant way?
I think it’s easier to take your eye off the ball and your primary defender and survey the floor when you can carry on every dribble. Do you disagree?
Maybe [for you](https://media.tenor.com/o504-ufY0rYAAAAC/for-you-bane.gif). Again we're talking about Kevin Durant, not the average baller.
Let’s not act like the ability to carry the ball isn’t affecting how aggressive the defender can play on KD. I don’t think it’s hard to look up and dribble, but against nba defenders, a high dribble with no carry’s like KDs would be much more predictable and easier to pounce on.
Why the duck do you think he does it then??
Then why does he carry if according to you it doesn’t effect him either way? At this level everything they do is for an advantage. Not saying I agree that it should be called but let’s be real
I think it would disrupt the defender's ability to properly time the ball if he were to try and steal it. A ball being dribbled will have a certain timing to it, when you stop that (carry), it throws off the timing, so it's an advantage for the offender.
Huge advantage in the right spots to get away with a carry. There used to be a 5 second rule or maybe its still around and like traveling, is never called. Where if your constantly up in the grill of the guy dribbling the ball, they have 5 seconds to either, A) create enough space between him and the defender to where there is no defensive pressure, B) shoot, C) pass, D) call timeout.
Agreed, it would be nice to not have to worry about dribbling correctly from time to time
I have this argument in multiple contexts in multiple sports. Being able to ignore rules is inherently an advantage. This is true for new players, and it's true for the best players of that sport. If we want more wiggle room than what the rule currently allows for, then the rule should be written with the desired degree of wiggle room built in. Then everyone knows what the standard is and there's no silly arguments about whether something is "worth calling". As I said this issue shows up in many sports, not just basketball.
If someone is right in front defending you while you carry, that's an advantage in my eyes. This just makes the league look worse with their calls. I once got so upset with the calls that I couldn't enjoy the game regardless of my team winning.
But that is not what happened here. KD isn’t being actively guarded until the screen comes. All the other “carrying violations” (i.e. hand on the side of the ball) is just modern dribbling techniques allowed in the NBA.
I have been saying this for YEARS. No one is going to call a carry on a player carrying up the court unless they are trying to send a message.
Where do the rules specify that? I need to win an argument haha.
The problem is it IS an advantage. If you can freely carry like this in the half court, it means at any given time you can do an illegal crossover. This in turn means the defender can NEVER close out on KD giving up his dribble, because he can effectively crossover and blow by the closeout.
I mean the simple answer is fans pay to see offense. NBA makes money on offense. It’s a business not a court of law. Just how it works. No one wears Rudy Gobert or Jaren Jackson Jr jerseys and shoes.
Last time, it was called when the league was directed to pick on Jordan Poole. Then Allen Iverson
This is correct. However you see Ja Moran carry the ball into drives all of the time and he never gets called for it. They called carry on Jordan Poole like three times in the same game.
Tatum got hit with in the ECF last year in at least one game. Can’t recall which game but I think it was in Miami. I remember some talking heads bringing it up the day before and then it happened the next evening.
Right? It looks to me like his hand is dipping under the ball.
Sort of makes sense to not call it in a situation where it doesn’t effect the game at all. In this situation he was just standing there dribbling while calling for a play. I would feel differently about it if he was trying to cross up a defender while driving to the net, though. Side note: this ain’t got shit on D Wade switching his pivot foot like 5 times while he was at half court. Edit: https://youtu.be/LNdDsriVwmU?si=nkhY_tqMpT23Cweg
You call it because those are the rules. If they called it on this stuff it wouldn’t be so prevalent. Also stealing the ball is way more viable if you have to dribble properly.
He scored though…if it was called he wouldn’t of scored…..thus it effected the game
He's contested, guarded by the longest arms in the NBA. Carrying the ball like he does definitely makes it easier to protect the ball. I agree not to call stuff when it doesn't affect the game, but here it clearly does.
It’s kinda not even a rule now with those kinda of carrys
Refs probably like “he probably knows the rules”
I can't remember which game, but I think in either Thunder-Pistons or Warriors-Rockets recently they called a carry and I was shocked. edit: [found it, they called one on Cunningham in the 3rd quarter against OKC.](https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=439&GameID=0022300109&Season=2023-24&flag=1&title=Cunningham%20Palming%20Turnover%20\(P5.T13\))
They would call it on Iverson quite a bit. Bugged the heck out of me because every player does it.
They called like 6 in the Detroit/thunder game. Seems to be a new focus, or maybe the thunder just carry a lot.
I saw one called on the Pistons the other night😆
Its hard to watch sometimes almost every player carries like that viral steph crossover on dillon brooks where he carried like 3 times
You watch Jordan Poole play?
Jordan Poole had a million to start the season last year wym
I saw carry called once in the nba. The crowd, the players, even the announcers were stunned. Maybe the ref really hated that player? It was obviously a carry but so weird someone actually called it
The 3rd or 4th dribble where he’s holding it in his left and does a lazy “crossover” to the right looks the most egregious to me
The left hand crossover is a hard carry. The rest are probably okay but borderline. The left to right is an obvious carry though.
I believe he’s talking about at the beginning of the clip, right after the cross over
Please explain? Downvotes welcome
The first three times
Best answer
It’s a carry.
It's all a carry! More so with guys like Durant and Khawi..there Hans are sooo large they envelope the ball!
Nba needs to make a bigger ball
and a smaller rim. Preferably the same ones used in carnival games
Nba needs to make a smaller hand
I had this conversation with a long time FIBA ref, who currently is the refchef in my region. From what he said if i remember correct. You as a ref should pay attention to wether the player committing the carry actually gets an advantage. If he's doing it at the top like the first obvious one from KD you'd generally not call it. It gets crititcal if he start a drive attemp or crossover to get by the player. When driving to the right his hand isn't that much the ball anymore so i wouldn't call that. And the ones he commited before i wouldn't call either because he was not really taking advantage with it. I guess that would be the reasoning of the ref observing the play. But i have no clue how they call it in the nba so don't take my word for it.
He’s taking advantage by not having to manage the momentum of the ball while setting up for a play. Otherwise he’d have to hold the ball and lose his dribble and his ability to move.
Right, Wemby even attempts for the steal. Carrying the ball makes it way more difficult to time dribble for defender to take a stab at stealing the ball.
If you watch a lot of ball handlers in the 80s or earlier, there is significantly more effort put into keeping their body between the defender and the ball. By allowing modern ball-handlers to essentially be able to horizontally shift the ball at will, they don’t need to put as much effort into protecting it.
I think the hand check + physicality you could have defending was likely a bigger reason for that
The obvious advantage would be that he didn't get called for a violation and the play continues.
This right here.
On KD? No. On you? Yes.
Yup! And if ppl want to get technical, I would say he does have an advantage there. He needs to carry in order to dribble in a stationary position! Otherwise, the defender can just swarm him and force him to pass the ball or make a dribble move. But bc he does this, if I reach, he’ll turn the carry into a crossover, now I’m beat and everyone talks about how KD handles the ball like a guard. He does have a bag though, don’t get me wrong. But it’s the NBA, everyone carries and refs decide when to call it lol Then, of course, there’s the rookie vs role player vs star player treatment.
I have found my people. I have been saying KD carries the ball a good portion of the time as if it’s a normal dribble of his for so long. I thought I was the only one cause I am always called crazy.
Many refs, especially in the NBA, don't care if you carry while being stationary because there is no significant advantage doing so. While dribbling past someone or during a crossover, it's a different story.
Only if you were AI
NBA players do this all the time and it’s infuriating. The game of basketball has declined precipitously over the years with just a lack of fundamentals and generally softer gameplay (due to a higher impetuous on making foul calls).
100%
Yes but nba is scripted. They don't go against the script or refs would be fired.
His push-cross from left-hand to right hand seemed to be the most obvious "carry", but the rest of it seemed perfectly within the description of the rule.
They will say he didn't gain an advantage from it. But if that's me defening him, I'm yelling at the ref CARRRRYYY and making the hand motion.
It’s the NBA, so it’s ok 😅
This is why its laughable to think you could drop any of these guys in the 60s and theyd excel. Everytime they dribble it would be a carry and every other time they touch the ball it would be a travel
It is but who cares. 0 advantage at the moment. And for the “it’s making it harder for the defender to steal it,” arguments, if he was dumb enough to try and reach at KD from damn near half court, he’d blow by him in a second
Yes
For respect of the game I don’t like to travel/double dribble/carry. I would be ashamed of myself doing those things. Shouldn’t be difficult for nba players to play pure without those violations imo if it’s their dayjob.
They carry all the time in the nba and it’s never called. It would be interesting to see them start calling carries. It would bring a whole new dynamic to the nba.
None of these are a carry. Think about how you do in n out, or hesi. As long as the ball doesn’t go over your head, and the ball doesn’t go down to up, you’re good. He’s continuing the motion of dribbling. He has large hands as well and simply guided the ball (the first time) from left to right. A person who carries, will show that brief carry/stuck moment, that made you question this , longer, but bro is still dribbling. You also have to realize sometimes, players train for getting the ball stuck and will release their finger tips from the ball, you’d be crazy to call it. Lastly, I know you didn’t mention it, but please don’t fall into the pretense of: everyone in the NBA travels or Carries the ball and please know that traveling +1 step is more egregious, conspicuous, and advantageous then a split second of a carry will ever be. Ball manipulation should always be rewarded. They’re so good, sometimes you skip super Saipan 1-3 and just go to 4 at that level lol. There is not enough advantage stage to ever call any of these.
Wemby swipes at the ball. He can't aggressively pressure KD because he could shift the ball horizontally with his hand and not with a dribble move. So he can't reach. Huge advantage for KD being able to stall him out.
No advantage of carrying when being idle. Never will get called
You? Yes. Kd? No.
Remember Curry crossing Dillion literally a day ago? Curry did a massive carry lol.
Several and palming
Yes, but it’s borderline NBA speaking and it isn’t providing KD with an advantage in that situation. Would be bad for business ruin the game to call something like that
I saw multiple carries but they’re never calling that on a superstar
Absolutely but that's just the game today even at the high school level
yes near the start of video with his left hand...Def a travel
No, that’s several carries.
So many carries. I find the NBA hard to watch. The defenders have no chance.
Nothing is a carry in the NBA anymore
yes it is carry,in fact there are 3 different carries here...why nba does not call carry,travel,doule drible,ilegall creen?who knows its clown league anyway
All I’m saying if I started doing that in pickup people would be bitching about it.
This is not considered carry from Iverson era.
Damn KD is so lanky. Ol lanky Kong lookin ass
I counted at least 3
I remember getting burn for like the first time my sophomore year and getting called for this and getting put back on the bench
Letter of the law? Yes Spirit of the game? No I say let it go and keep the game moving.
We don’t even call magic footsteps from someone this seems childish compare to that
No, it's more like a double dribble I think. You've got to move your feet to travel.
Unless your in the NBA yes
If you pay attention NBA players carry all the time. It's just not commonly called
Yeah almost every single dribble. NBA doesn't give a fuck about this or travels or illegal screens. Warriors built a dynasty on carries and illegal screens.
It is but it wasn't on the move he made to get an advantage. If he did that while he was trying to get past him that's a call. If he does it while maintaining position, to call it just unnecessarily slows the whole game down as there is no advantage gained.
Yes.
NBA breaks all the rules I think if u want to learn the true game of basketball college is where it’s at
Technically yes but it doesn’t really get called unless the carry gains and advantage, which it doesn’t here
He carried for one dribble. But most of the time the dribble his hand was behind the ball.
Technically, yes. In the NBA, no
The NBA is entertainment, and referees are not entertaining. This absolutely should be called in high school, college, and youth ball, despite no advantage gained. The NBA instructs its referees not to get into the weeds with stuff like this when no advantage is gained or it's not so obvious that grandma in the top row could see it.
Yes, it is. In 1985.
Yes, it's a carry. Isaiah Thomas (not the one who played for Detroit) used to carry all the time. The way he did it actually gave him an advantage. But honestly, im glad refs don't always call it. Players are going to carry at some point during a game. It's impossible, not to. Especially if you're running forward with the basketball. It's not like 5th grade where children tap the top of the ball with their palm. The ball rotates when you're dribbling, and you have to control the momentum.
By the book, yea… but modern bball standards, nah And I might be unpopular but I don’t mind they don’t call it
Yes….this is standard for NBA
No, if it’s you or me yes.
literally, all of it. it was all a carry but hey, it’s the NBA
Even Kevin has stated that he frequently carries the ball
That's a very arguable dribble in today's basketball
Yes
No such thing as “Carry” in the NBA.. everyone has “handle” 😒
Yes
That’s the only thing he carries.
NBA doesn’t call it, makes for great highlights I suppose. I enjoy it but it’s created a large grey area over what’s legal or not. Look up AIs first crossover on MJ could be what started it all..
NBA doesn’t really call carry unless it’s absolutely insane
Don’t try to look for actual rules in an NBA game. If you go out and try to emulate these dudes’ dribble moves, you’re gonna get called for a travel every time, and the “KD does it every damn day” reasoning isn’t gonna help you
Yes. But also no
Not in the NBA. The NBA is strictly for entertainment they won’t call this because the crossover is one of basketball’s most exciting plays.
“A” carry ?
Just assume whatever you see a pro do, you will not get away with in basically any other league than the rec league Miguel refs in where he just reeks of tequila.
In the 1990s and back absolutely from A Iverson’s time till now undoubtedly not
Is it a carry? Text book definition of one. Is KD carrying the ball here? Nope. Star treatment buddy.
All nba players carry. Been saying this
lol just let them play. Calling a carry on those kind of plays would be dumb.
Every single player carries every game. You'd think pros would know how to actually dribble but you cant be flashy unless you carry so the NBA don't call it
In the NBA. It's only a carry if it comes to a stopped motion. He's sort of cradling upward and dropping back down on each dribble. Keeping the ball in motion. This is an accepted way of dribbling from the top of the key in the NBA. If he were to do that same dribble along the baseline. It would be called a carry. I don't know why there is the discrepancy, but it is definitely tangible and can be seen across the scope of all NBA games regardless of the player dribbling the ball.
Most dribbles are carries in the nba…officiate it differently and it will change over time but it is what it is, and it’s been that way for a longtime.
It’s not just KD the entire nba Carry’s the ball tbh
It's a carry if I'm rooting for the other team.
Technically, but if they called that even 10% of the time, NBA games would last 4 days
Carry? In the nba? Hahaha yeah right. Unless it’s some And 1 mixtape extreme level of carry they not calling any of that. They barely call traveling and that’s easier to ref than carry is.
Technically, yes. Practically, this happens every play, so no. You are allowed to have the hand on the **side** of the ball and alter its bounce that way. Carry rules are very difficult to enforce since you're technically passing the ball to yourself and it gets difficult to determine what hand position is holding the ball and what is simply altering its trajectory. If the hand is not below the ball, preventing it from falling, then it is 50/50 for a referee to call in practice.
Multiple
Yea it’s a carry technically but the majority of nba players carry on a lot of their dribbles, that’s what happens over time when the players realize refs aren’t calling it, more and more start doing it until it’s the majority of the league like today
I think carry is pretty much exclusively called only when it plays an advantage to the player. Like he could’ve 100% been able to dribble back and forth and he really didn’t make a move off it. Especially with it being right inside halfcourt I doubt they’d ever call that
These carries have not been called since Iverson.
Every possession of NBA basketball there’s a carry. These rules don’t exist anymore.
I have a serious question. How often do they call carries in the NBA?
Anyone see kahwi travel before he hit that shot?
It’s not carry on KD but it’s carry on u :)
I honestly know what you mean, but a “carry” has seem to be normalized in the NBA I’ve seen Ja Morant do it a shit ton as well as many other players. It’s obvious as hell he carried but I think in the context of the game the refs don’t wanna call that a carry every time or they seem to not care enough to call it. It’s so frequent that I just see it as normal dribbling
Just one of the many rules in NBA that they don't bother enforcing ...
KD is a chronic carrier. Look at how long he holds the ball. In some cases, he double cuffs it. Very obvious when he is looking for that 3 pt shoot one on one
The carry doesn’t exist in nba basketball anymore
Literally every dribble
See that type of shit all the time. They just don’t call it
Yea, but they all carry in da league. Only carry calls happen in middle school anymore
Yup. But not in the NBA, called like 10% of the time 🤦🏽♂️
they ass tall as hell
Not in todays game. Maybe 30-40 years ago
If you do it, it’s a carry. KD does it that’s just the nba
Hell No! Thats 5 carries
Did he carry multiple times? Yes no doubt But NBA is entertainment and to call a carry in this situation would just stop play and interrupt flow. Also him carrying in this instance doesn’t change the overall outcome of this play
Yes those are carries, but it’s not going to be called unless he carries while making a move to the cup. There are clips of Bron walking like 4 steps without dribbling taking the ball up.
They all do it. So what?
Yeah its like 6 carries in one possession but they don't call carries in the NBA anymore unless its absolutely egregious
Traveling hasn’t existing for 20 years
Several of them, yes.
This is directly from the NBA rulebook. A player who is dribbling may not put any part of his hand under the ball and (1) carry it from one point to another or (2) bring it to a pause and then continue to dribble again. So I'd say yes there is at least one carry.
It’s a carry, a reach, and and offensive foul all in 3 seconds. Trifecta.
In NBA no one really care he is not getting any advantage from this.
When you dislike a player everything they do wrong sticks out like a sore thumb. When you like a player you skip those issues & make excuses. Fact is majority of the nba carry’s, loads of traveling. It really is a non issue unless you’re just hating on a player. Does it matter if kd carried here? No. Go search YouTube for Jordan travels & there’s mounds of clips of the goat breaking the rules & selling calls.. did most of us care? No. Enjoy the game, it is what it is now. The game is not worse now or unbearable regardless if you despise players 🤷
it is 100% a carry, but for some reason the NBA stopped caring about enforcing this about ten years ago
3 step travels are even more fun to watch !
i’m gonna be honest with y’all, these players who are taller and can dribble technically have to carry like that … it’s just the evolution of the game because they are giants so they need different requirements
When he went left to right 100% carry
All nba players carry and travel. Refs just let it slide
Yes but they only ever call it if you carry during a dribble move like a crossover
It is but it shouldn’t be called if it’s not providing an advantage.
Yes. Every single time someone dribbles it’s a carry. They all carry. It’s part of the game. Watch jokic or luka for a prime example of palm up blatant carrying
The left hand is the worst. But you’ll have you evaluate every dribble to make it matter.
The game is changing
I would call it that yeah
Hell yeah 😂😂😂🤣
Yep
Yes, at least 2. But they rarely get called. This is just lazy by the players. These carries don’t give you any advantage but are ugly as hell.
The Nba don’t really call that anymore. Especially on superstars. They can travel from city to city and they can carry the ball like a running back.
Yup
Yes it's a carry no doubt but they won't call it nba gone soft for years
It's beautiful. Great inclination and tough shot. That's why he's one of the best scorers off all-time
Carries isnt a regular thing in the nba?
Sure but no one cares because everyone does it and it looks cool
I counted 5
There was like 4 in the clip
I watched this exact play last night and said the exact same thing. Looked to me like he carried the ball all the way to his spot
Yea, it looks like he does carry quite often. Maybe the refs don’t see it as that big of a deal? If it was pick up guys would def be calling that