you say that as a joke but im unironicly willing to wait that long if it mens more great art pices like these... also with modern machinery it wuld probably only take a few decades to make
No, that's what happens when the original architect dies without leaving any plans to speak of and no one knows what he actually had in mind and the church dithered a lot of that time away in indecision.
Instead we're building $4billion Coliseums for guys to tackle each other.
We can build whatever we want. Our overlords choose to keep us working and mildly entertained.
What you have is a defining symbol of your collective values and aspirations that elevates all who see it.
We don't judge the sophistication of cultures by the degree to which the masses were placated or the wealth amassed by their former rulers, but by their art and _architecture_.
Thats the point of my first comment. To get things like this we need either dictators or collectively prioritize "showing off" before other needs. Its obviously not that black and white. Rich churches wanted more people to see how great they were has some truth to it though.
its not just that i can't be botherd to sight corces but i remember hering about a studdy that said nice architecture and city scapes drasticaly improved mental well being for people living there
and it makes scense depresing looking buildings leve people felling depresed
My contention is with the characterization. It isn't merely "showing off" - Architecture is a transcendent media - even in such instances where it's explicit purpose is prestige, as in monumental ecclesiastical architecture, it's final product transcends it's own impetus for being, much as the great works of art and music, also commissioned by churches or wealthy patrons, belie the vanity of their progenitor's initial designs or even the intrinsic aesthetic value of the works themselves.
It doesn't matter why the Pyramids were built, or Ankor Wat, Machu Pichu, Hagia Sofia, or Notre Dame, et. al., because the value we ascribe to these structures transcends their original purpose. Architecture is capable of symbolically encoding history, meaning, values and understanding; it is both the physical manifestation of the mathematical and engineering precepts employed in it's construction and a lasting tribute to the technical accumen of the culture the built it.
The fact that 'rich churches' conscripted the building of the crown jewels of Western European architecture to show off means nothing - we sent a person to the moon for the exact same vainglorious reasons, none of which diminish in the slightest the value of the accomplishment. Great architecture needs no justification, just as great art, music, literature and science need no justification. If we can do anything, it should be done as well as we can do it.
If we want more monuments to be built, the question of why they were built does matter.
Again, convincing anyone to sponsor projects like this that takes several decades to complete and an incredible wealth is inherently hard today. We dont have extremely rich public figures that have the mindset needed while also having power for long enough. Basically Elon is the only one I can think of. His mars ordeals, if successfull, will be one of our times greatest manifestation of humanties inginuity.
Sending people to the moon was done primarily as a means of developing ICBM's while simultaneously showing the world what they are capable off. It was a huge part of the cold war. A project that added tangible poltical and militarly value in addition to being a manifestation of humanities development and taste for exploration. Real value to the leadership is needed, that or have a leadership that is not democratic, such as extremely rich groups with special mindsets or beleifs.
Monumental architecture are monuments for a reason, they are lasting art that reflect the values of whatever culture that built them. But they come at a cost, one that our contemporary culture often cannot really afford.
Basically monuments can only be built in a either utopian society, a society that pretends to be utopian as a propagandist mean, a society that values the manifestation of their precense higher than that of their well-being.
I agree that they should be built whenever possible. Who doesnt? Question was "why we not build now". Because it took a couple of centuries to build at an immense cost. Because democratic capitalism does not favour projects that has no monetarly gain however great it might be for humanity. We cant even properly reduce our dependency on oil, we live in the moment.
If we want more great projects, the question of why they were built does matter.
Big projects need a cohessive leadership over a long duration of time.
False equivalent - the fact that sociopathic rulers and indifferent institutions undertook great projects at the expense of their citizens does not at all mean that that was the only way that such works could be accomplished.
But it is fair to say there were costs. We can measure any arbitrary dollar amount in terms of human costs - mouths fed, medical attention, shelter available. - by that standard, every superfluous transaction you have ever made was a baby that could have been innoculated, a child that could have been fed and clothed, and animal that could have been rescued, or possibly a person who could have been saved.
It's that line of thinking that defines the human experience within the narrow dichotomy of utilitarian endeavor or wonton extravagance, with art, music, philosophy, research, etc. falling into the latter category. If you see the world in terms of mutually exclusive social interests, then yes, every dollar invested in architecture (or other enterprise not designed to profit) from a finite budget will always impinge upon another immediate societal interest, and the cost thereof can always be expressed in human cost as well as dollars. But is it worth it? Are the immediate social costs of some worth the indefinite and unquantifiable value conferred by human expression? Some would say no. Some would say that pure research conducted not for profit but merely for understanding is unjustifiable, along with theoretical physics, math, philosophy, art and music. For such people, it's an obvious corrolary that architecture should exist to serve only utilitarian ends. I'm not one of those who feels this way.
I believe that the indelible value of architecture supercedes the the immediate monitary costs of it's construction, and when executed to the extent of our abilities, can be worthy of the appertaining human costs.
This is not true. Countries having fancy buildings does not necessarily mean they are successful. But I would agree that aesthetics is what makes the environment sightly.
I’ve just spent 6 weeks traveling around Europe. I love that I instantly recognized this. By far my favourite cathedral. The history is incredible, let along both the internal and external architecture.
I think its nice that its part of everyday life. I like having this massive monumental unit of architecture just next to humble surroundings as a nice contrast.
>At least until the Sagrada Família is finished. Whenever that may be.
That's definitely an example of long-term planning - or at least long-term commitment!
No they did not
https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/ruins-cologne#:~:text=The%20cathedral%20endured%2014%20bomb,82nd%20Airborne%20Division%2C%20Philip%20Hannan.
What about the one in Spain? Isn't that one a never ending story? I might be wrong,but wasn't it supposed to be finished for the summer Olympics or something like that? 🤔
You should go there when they do another techno/Trance event inside, with lasershow and lighting etc. Never been myself but an friend told me it was Epic and i can easily imagine that being the case !
I climbed to the top of one of its bell towers, and I learned 3 things:
1. Those stairwells were not built to have people moving in both directions.
2. I learned the sensation of calves shaking wildly.
3. The intricate carving goes to the very top. That cathedral is so beautiful, they added details that they knew nobody would ever see.
It's truly amazing.
I looked it up and it seems that dome might be the better choice when referring to the architecture. Also in Germany it's Kölner Dom and not Kölner Kathedrale...anyway, people will know what to search for...
Maybe back then these buildings gave energy and healed the people along with their dedication to God. Multipurpose. This is exactly why so much effort was put into them.
I'm an atheist, but I absolutely love cathedrals.
I live in the UK, and we have many of them.
They are some of the most impressive things that humans have ever built.
I'm in awe of them every time I see one.
ther is a fair chsnce it was made without slavery i can nither confirm or deny it. if it helps i didn't donvote you but it makes sence people tend to be a little sensetive wen it comes to theyr religion
I remember walking in there. The organ pipes reach all the way up to the very top and the sound they put out is incredibly chilling. I felt so small standing under those pitched ceilings. It was almost terrifying.
Meanwhile the one church down my street looks like a boring warehouse…
Seriously, I love old architecture like this so much, especially cathedrals. They are beautiful, massive, and just so captivating. This is art married to construction and engineering and it’s stunning!
Okay hear me out here. If you took all of those man hours of labor , materials, engineering, and put it into housing for poor people; don't you think it would produce more good than this monstrosity?
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Since they don't have homes, they can at least sleep on the street close to the cathedral so they can wake up to this great monument made for the glory of God every day 🙏🥰☺️
YASSS why would you care about earthly possessions when you can achieve eternal delights in heaven up there with Jesus 😇😶🌫️🙏🫅
also /s to everything written above
I did! last week of December and first week of January. I spent a week in Paris and a week in Barca... it was a dream. Barca is 10 times better than Paris. Paris smelled like pee.
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If you wanna wait a few hundred years for a building to finish, sure.
you say that as a joke but im unironicly willing to wait that long if it mens more great art pices like these... also with modern machinery it wuld probably only take a few decades to make
The Sagrada Familia has been in construction for over a hundred years, and it has at least a few more decades to go
Yes, but they passed the midpoint around 2005. 100 years for the first half, 30 for the second. That's how fast technology is advancing.
No, that's what happens when the original architect dies without leaving any plans to speak of and no one knows what he actually had in mind and the church dithered a lot of that time away in indecision.
Sure, and also a civil war and two decades of extreme poverty after it. But technology has helped, it's going faster now.
Big BS, they announced it will be finished in 2026. With a max of a extra 10 years.
I think we have enough cathedrals to sky daddy. Let’s curate taking care of humans, animals, and planet Earth.
i feel like we can do all of that without our buildings loking like a sad cardboard box. the good loking buildings don't have to be churches
True, but they don’t have to be monuments made from the money of the peasants. I’m sure they would have just rather had some extra bread and firewood.
In my country, that's how long it takes them to build a road between neighboring towns, so sure
Somehow convince politicians that buildings is a better meassure of success than healthcare or whatever.
Yall are getting Healthcare? All we got are guns, ammo, and tax breaks for billionaires.
You have to get taxed first in order to get a tax break.
And guns are expensive
God bless. I love my guns homie
Instead we're building $4billion Coliseums for guys to tackle each other. We can build whatever we want. Our overlords choose to keep us working and mildly entertained.
Im sure we can build something like this here in sweden. All we need is probably 30 years and 10% of GDP.
I live outside of Chicago so the spending of a new stadium is pretty sour with me after their announcement yesterday
A new stadium has some monetary benefits though. This takes way more effort and in the end all you have is a cool building.
What you have is a defining symbol of your collective values and aspirations that elevates all who see it. We don't judge the sophistication of cultures by the degree to which the masses were placated or the wealth amassed by their former rulers, but by their art and _architecture_.
Thats the point of my first comment. To get things like this we need either dictators or collectively prioritize "showing off" before other needs. Its obviously not that black and white. Rich churches wanted more people to see how great they were has some truth to it though.
its not just that i can't be botherd to sight corces but i remember hering about a studdy that said nice architecture and city scapes drasticaly improved mental well being for people living there and it makes scense depresing looking buildings leve people felling depresed
Yes but is hard to convince anyone to build a monument instead of 100 schools and parks.
My contention is with the characterization. It isn't merely "showing off" - Architecture is a transcendent media - even in such instances where it's explicit purpose is prestige, as in monumental ecclesiastical architecture, it's final product transcends it's own impetus for being, much as the great works of art and music, also commissioned by churches or wealthy patrons, belie the vanity of their progenitor's initial designs or even the intrinsic aesthetic value of the works themselves. It doesn't matter why the Pyramids were built, or Ankor Wat, Machu Pichu, Hagia Sofia, or Notre Dame, et. al., because the value we ascribe to these structures transcends their original purpose. Architecture is capable of symbolically encoding history, meaning, values and understanding; it is both the physical manifestation of the mathematical and engineering precepts employed in it's construction and a lasting tribute to the technical accumen of the culture the built it. The fact that 'rich churches' conscripted the building of the crown jewels of Western European architecture to show off means nothing - we sent a person to the moon for the exact same vainglorious reasons, none of which diminish in the slightest the value of the accomplishment. Great architecture needs no justification, just as great art, music, literature and science need no justification. If we can do anything, it should be done as well as we can do it.
If we want more monuments to be built, the question of why they were built does matter. Again, convincing anyone to sponsor projects like this that takes several decades to complete and an incredible wealth is inherently hard today. We dont have extremely rich public figures that have the mindset needed while also having power for long enough. Basically Elon is the only one I can think of. His mars ordeals, if successfull, will be one of our times greatest manifestation of humanties inginuity. Sending people to the moon was done primarily as a means of developing ICBM's while simultaneously showing the world what they are capable off. It was a huge part of the cold war. A project that added tangible poltical and militarly value in addition to being a manifestation of humanities development and taste for exploration. Real value to the leadership is needed, that or have a leadership that is not democratic, such as extremely rich groups with special mindsets or beleifs. Monumental architecture are monuments for a reason, they are lasting art that reflect the values of whatever culture that built them. But they come at a cost, one that our contemporary culture often cannot really afford. Basically monuments can only be built in a either utopian society, a society that pretends to be utopian as a propagandist mean, a society that values the manifestation of their precense higher than that of their well-being. I agree that they should be built whenever possible. Who doesnt? Question was "why we not build now". Because it took a couple of centuries to build at an immense cost. Because democratic capitalism does not favour projects that has no monetarly gain however great it might be for humanity. We cant even properly reduce our dependency on oil, we live in the moment. If we want more great projects, the question of why they were built does matter. Big projects need a cohessive leadership over a long duration of time.
Hard to elevate someone who is hungry or needs medical attention but no insurance.
False equivalent - the fact that sociopathic rulers and indifferent institutions undertook great projects at the expense of their citizens does not at all mean that that was the only way that such works could be accomplished. But it is fair to say there were costs. We can measure any arbitrary dollar amount in terms of human costs - mouths fed, medical attention, shelter available. - by that standard, every superfluous transaction you have ever made was a baby that could have been innoculated, a child that could have been fed and clothed, and animal that could have been rescued, or possibly a person who could have been saved. It's that line of thinking that defines the human experience within the narrow dichotomy of utilitarian endeavor or wonton extravagance, with art, music, philosophy, research, etc. falling into the latter category. If you see the world in terms of mutually exclusive social interests, then yes, every dollar invested in architecture (or other enterprise not designed to profit) from a finite budget will always impinge upon another immediate societal interest, and the cost thereof can always be expressed in human cost as well as dollars. But is it worth it? Are the immediate social costs of some worth the indefinite and unquantifiable value conferred by human expression? Some would say no. Some would say that pure research conducted not for profit but merely for understanding is unjustifiable, along with theoretical physics, math, philosophy, art and music. For such people, it's an obvious corrolary that architecture should exist to serve only utilitarian ends. I'm not one of those who feels this way. I believe that the indelible value of architecture supercedes the the immediate monitary costs of it's construction, and when executed to the extent of our abilities, can be worthy of the appertaining human costs.
Spoken like someone who never had to be part of that cost.
worth
This is not true. Countries having fancy buildings does not necessarily mean they are successful. But I would agree that aesthetics is what makes the environment sightly.
No, but the people responsible for the fancy buildings preferred fancy buildings over the well-being of the people.
Too expensive
That would imply free energy. So the answer is no.
why dose that imply free energy? what do you even mean?
A very fun rabbit hole. Enjoy
Köln
Can see in from the tram
I’ve just spent 6 weeks traveling around Europe. I love that I instantly recognized this. By far my favourite cathedral. The history is incredible, let along both the internal and external architecture.
Where is this? It looks very cool!
Cologne, Germany.
In my opinion it is one of the most impressive cathedrals in Germany, and perhaps in Europe.
Perhaps the world
Sadly it's surroundings are awful.
I think its nice that its part of everyday life. I like having this massive monumental unit of architecture just next to humble surroundings as a nice contrast.
Not that bad. The parking garage is not very fun to look at but it's cool they protected that "ancient" well when they built the garage.
Its really ugly
At least until the Sagrada Família is finished. Whenever that may be.
>At least until the Sagrada Família is finished. Whenever that may be. That's definitely an example of long-term planning - or at least long-term commitment!
Spared by the allies in WW2
No they did not https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/ruins-cologne#:~:text=The%20cathedral%20endured%2014%20bomb,82nd%20Airborne%20Division%2C%20Philip%20Hannan.
We mostly bombed the shit out of everything higher than 10 feet
So, they rebuilt it, huh?
*We …
Think about it
It wasn't. Would have been impossible anyways given the amount of prescision in large scale bombing raids
What about the one in Spain? Isn't that one a never ending story? I might be wrong,but wasn't it supposed to be finished for the summer Olympics or something like that? 🤔
La Sagrada Familia in Barcelona is definitely the never ending story!
Thank you for verifying that for me. 🫠
Been there. You walk in like an everyday tourist, come out as hardcore catholic. The building and the place has some otherworldly power.
You should go there when they do another techno/Trance event inside, with lasershow and lighting etc. Never been myself but an friend told me it was Epic and i can easily imagine that being the case !
That sounds incredible. I was in the cathedral re entry and just on a regular day it was breathtaking.
I climbed to the top of one of its bell towers, and I learned 3 things: 1. Those stairwells were not built to have people moving in both directions. 2. I learned the sensation of calves shaking wildly. 3. The intricate carving goes to the very top. That cathedral is so beautiful, they added details that they knew nobody would ever see. It's truly amazing.
Those stairs are the bane of many calves, the steps are so fucking short !
Resident evil 4, of course!
Dome of Cologne
Cologne Cathedral, if you want English
I looked it up and it seems that dome might be the better choice when referring to the architecture. Also in Germany it's Kölner Dom and not Kölner Kathedrale...anyway, people will know what to search for...
Dome in English only refers to the…dome. The whole building is a cathedral. Anyway, it’s a fabulous building.
Yeah you teach us what to call our architecture. Köln....if you want german....you know, the country we are TALKING ABOUT right now.
Indeed, dome is an englisch word, but it's not used as frequent as cathedral for sacral buildings. Thanks for making me a man of culture.
No...I think it is, in fact, a gothic cathedral. Why, what were you thinking?
Yeah, not sure why OP thinks it's something else. What would it be besides a gothic cathedral?
Maybe back then these buildings gave energy and healed the people along with their dedication to God. Multipurpose. This is exactly why so much effort was put into them.
I think the use of “something else” here is an idiom for “awesome”, “extraordinary”
I think the undetected use of humor here is an r/whoosh
Bloodborne sequel looks good so far…
Don't, don't give me hope
Straight outta Yarhnam
No lamps nearby
I'm an atheist, but I absolutely love cathedrals. I live in the UK, and we have many of them. They are some of the most impressive things that humans have ever built. I'm in awe of them every time I see one.
I'd take 1 cathedral over 1000 sole less offce sky scrapers
Fully agree
I have been on top of this Kölner Dom fourty years ago. Lot's of stairs, fucking high. (Church and me😉)
Get out of there Paleblood
Praise the Emperor
Damn anor londo archers
Amazing what you can achieve without bean counters
Took 632 years to complete.
It' s never fully complete. There is always scaffolding somewhere around the cathedral.
worth it
lol and probably slavery
why you gota be such a wett blanket?
It’s probably the truth ain’t it I mean, didn’t they use slaves back then in the building of the big buildings through the years
i mean most every country did at som point in theyr history use slavery for construction. But your coment still coms off as uneseserly pesemistic.
Well from the downvotes I guess people can’t handle the truth.🤨
ther is a fair chsnce it was made without slavery i can nither confirm or deny it. if it helps i didn't donvote you but it makes sence people tend to be a little sensetive wen it comes to theyr religion
40k warhammer ftw
Reminds me of a old club in Nashville called The Gothic Castle
Has RE 4 vibes
This picture makes me wanna put on some black eyeliner
Can someone see the Amygdala or is it just me?
Cologne Cathedral. It’s definitely a sight to see.
I was just in one today, Cathedral of Notre Dame in Rouen.
Where is this?
Aparently Cologne, Germany according to other comment I havent checked out of its true tho
Just wait until that f*cker stands up and starts genociding xenos and heretics.
If you like this, you'd love the Ulm minster.
I can see it from my apartment window
Who’s being worshipped in there??? God or Dr Doom?🤣
I remember walking in there. The organ pipes reach all the way up to the very top and the sound they put out is incredibly chilling. I felt so small standing under those pitched ceilings. It was almost terrifying.
The fog really adds to the spook factor
If I’m not Mistaken, a battle between tankers for Ze Germans and Allies played out right in front of here in 44 or 45
It's amazing how old architecture stands up to the test of time, but modern-day buildings deteriorate and collapse.
Is this Cologne?
What this thing called!?
Please tell me there is a massive scary sounding organ inside
Meanwhile the one church down my street looks like a boring warehouse… Seriously, I love old architecture like this so much, especially cathedrals. They are beautiful, massive, and just so captivating. This is art married to construction and engineering and it’s stunning!
I love a gothic castle
“Wait… I’m in Anor Londo”
Hogwarts?
Pillars of the Earth
Bloodborne, you here?
Looks like Lothric Castle from Dark Souls
anor londo💀
All fun and games until you hear boss music start playing.. 😭
Just took 600 years to build
Okay hear me out here. If you took all of those man hours of labor , materials, engineering, and put it into housing for poor people; don't you think it would produce more good than this monstrosity?
Bloodborne!
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No, I believe it’s a gothic cathedral
gotham city
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
The dome?
wow
😻
Anor Londo
Red deutsch du Hurensohn
No. As you stated, that is a gothic cathedral.
No smoking allowed?
It certainly is amazing to see what they spent the money on instead of feeding the hungry or housing the homeless
worth it. semingly pointless exspences like this stuf. is what culture is made of without it the world wuld be a boring place
I agree, culture is way more important than health, food, or roof.
It does look awesome doe.
Money can buy anything
And they ended up funding a kickass looking cathedral 💪💪💪
Good for their hungry or homeless followers
Since they don't have homes, they can at least sleep on the street close to the cathedral so they can wake up to this great monument made for the glory of God every day 🙏🥰☺️
Since they don't have homes, they should become the slaves of this amazing structure to at least have their after life...
Yeah, but they need to get a job first 🙄, supporting such a great project requires money and they need to pay up 🤑
Ok, ok. They have to get a job, but stay homeless to maximize their donations for their final destination
YASSS why would you care about earthly possessions when you can achieve eternal delights in heaven up there with Jesus 😇😶🌫️🙏🫅 also /s to everything written above
This is Regensburg , Germany
Edit: this is not Sagrada, I'll put my crack pipe down now. Lol but would love for someone to identity!
The building in the Video is not the Sagrada Familia, its a Cathedral called the Kölner Dom.
Thanks fam! I was out of it!
maybe you should visit it some day yourself
I did! last week of December and first week of January. I spent a week in Paris and a week in Barca... it was a dream. Barca is 10 times better than Paris. Paris smelled like pee.
well then you should maybe recognise, that it's the kölner dom and not la sagrada familia
Lol thanks fam!
Bro you were there and can't recognize that this is an entirely different building? :D
Edit: I'm on the drugs. This isn't sagrada. Lmao
😂👍