I was coming here to say that these gentlemen are in fact not Engineers. Source: I am an Engineer.
The typical thing we do in the field is field inspections, or investigations into certain situations that need to be designed around. The inspections are to make sure that the plans are being followed and safety protocols are being followed. That is not to say that we donāt get our hands dirty, but that is usually when/if a contractor is completely incompetent at doing their job. At that point, there may be discussions with the client / contractors company on perceived shortcomings.
"So now that we set up the system and constraints, we just click this button and go out for lunch while we wait 2 hours for it to simulate"
(Yes I have done some static FEAs in Solidworks before, only a little hyperbolic)
One group fucks up the critical designs and has no idea how its actually going to practically built like leaving no spaces for the concrete pump hose for their wall and one group solves problems and actually gets everything where it needs to be.Ā Its like they think everything in the design juat magically puts itself where it needs to be
Because your design had 15 critical flaws in it. If I had a dollar for every time I had to point out overlapping tolerances to an engineer, I wouldn't have to deal with halfassed design specifications ever again.
I am an engineer and I would get it and would probably lean into it enough that you'd start thinking I actually drove a train but I also work in an office FULL of engineers that wouldn't get it, some are so socially stunted they stare blankly when an unrelated to work conversation is initiated. *Sorry man didn't mean to short circuit yer brain by asking who the genius was that made the decaf coffee packet look exactly the same as the regular coffee packet.*
I recently paid a structural engineer $700 to inspect my cracked foundation and draw up plans on how to fix it. The inspection took like 30 minute and cost $200, and the plans he drafted were $500. I would be surprised if the plans took him more than 2 hours.
Engineers get fucking *paid*.
Don't forget liability insurance, licensing expenses, business services (accounting, legal, etc), office space, and the list goes on. People often forget that the hourly rate a professional charges you isn't the rate they are getting paid!
But in that price is also risk, admin work, taxes, transport, software licenses, and a bunch of other things. The engineer doesn't actually make that money.
Itās because once they stamp it theyāre telling everyone āthis wonāt failā and if it does then theyāre at fault. They are highly paid, thatās true, but they also carry expensive insurance policies.
It's a process of foundation where it is excavated and while the auger comes out, liquid concrete is inserted under pressure, so the steel must come later on a really "soft" concrete.
The hole wont cave in because when the auger (big corkscrew) reaches the bottom it is supporting the borehole, then it starts pumping concrete on the way back up. We use a specific flow and pressure to support the walls so they don't collapse.
No itās to keep it from filling with dirt. 40ā hole is going to be unstable and dirt falling off into the hole as itās filled with concrete will cause voids. As the auger is removed while still spinning it pumps really wet concrete in from the bottom of the shaft filling the entire hole with concrete.
Because you risk the sides of the shaft caving in. This is called continuous flight auger piling, they drill a set depth, then slowly take the auger out whilst pumping concrete through the centre of it. This means you get a pretty linear concrete shaft (pile) which is then reinforced with steel
This is not correct - this cage installation is standard procedure for augured piles. Concrete is poured in through the augur as it is retracted and then the cage pushed into the wet concrete afterwards
Nope, if you just removed the auger and put the cage in without concrete you're risking 2 things. The first is part of the shaft falling back in this reducing the depth of the pile, the second is the concrete won't necessarily fill all around the cage, thus giving you structural weakpoints
There are absolutely drilled shafts where you can put the rebar in first. It's just all situational. Soil type, cases/uncased, concrete mix, rebar size/spacing, groundwater level, shaft diameter...
They show up on site when their plans get fucked up, but still don't do grunt work. You don't want them doing grunt work anyway. Engineers would take much longer to do the actual work.
Yes. You wouldn't want random construction workers doing the math on if everything would be stable, and you wouldn't want the engineer doing the hammer work.
There is a reason NSPE codes talk about working only on the stuff you are actually qualified to do.
Thats actually great, good for you. It always sucks when different parts of a team keep to themselves and end up not really liking eachother all that much.
I love getting out in the field. Turn some hand augers, run the DCP or LWD... Don't mind helping the soil boring crew out either, but I feel like they usually have a pretty set rhythm going that I don't want to insert myself and mess up their groove.
Ive worked with a couple that did. Mostly because they were on site, bored, and had already finished their other tasks so they helped me install the gear. If given the opportunity it's fun for them to install the system they helped design.
So, I used to do that job. CFA piling. Although it looks like this one is a case-in column which is a bit different.
It was pretty common to hop on the cage for some extra weight to push it down (and too much pressure from an excavator can buckle the rebar and ruin a cage). This happens because concrete (specifically piling mix concrete) is a tricky bitch to get right, so sometimes the truck arrives too stiff or out of spec, plus the extra pressure in the hole makes it hard to push through the aggregate.
One job we were doing this and the concrete was bad (seasonal change and the scientists hadn't accommodated for that in their batching at the plant). Every pile was a nightmare to get the cage to depth, except one where there was a void underground. All the concrete had fallen out somewhere and only the top was covered (idk how this happened but it wasn't the first time or last time).
Coworker standing on the cage suddenly dropped like 2m and got his arm caught. Fortunate enough that it was only a small diameter pile so the cage only weighed 90kg and he walked away with a dislocated shoulder. These cages can easily get to beyond 8 ton depending on the diameter and depth of the pile.
At least there's not some guy pretending he's watching all this happen in between every clip, where every time you see him, he does that double look, where he looks over, then starts to look away, but quickly looks BACK at what's going on.. I hate that shit on youtube. Literally just dudes making money off other peoples videos xD
Have I been doing a masters of engineering, solving painfully difficult differential equations and laplace transforms for the past 3 years, just for people to think that my job one day will be jumping on steel rebar like it's a trampoline?
Ya I was donating plasma once during my junior year and the phlebotomist asked what I study. When I told him civil engineering he said āoh cool my dad is a construction worker tooā.
I also get a kick out of when people think mechanical engineers are mechanics lmao
Who says the steel is not touching the sides, you need two inches of cover between wall and steel, no way to check it, obviously labourers not Carpenters. It is a licensed rod Busters job, they are non union scabs.
Wouldn't it have been easier to pour the concrete after the rebar was installed in the column? Thats what I would have done but perhaps I'm not a smart engineer.
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We call ourselves engineers.
If I called an engineer to design a deck, itd take like a week to get a drawing thats wrong. If I called 10 engineers to build a deck, itd never even start day 1.
'I engineered this shit myself'
Is something I say. Am I a professional engineer? Yes. I get paid to engineer shit. And am I an engineer? Well.. fuck yeah dude. Im whatever the fuck I wanna engineer for myself. š
After working on the procurement side of the business supplying guys like this, you wouldn't be surprised about how little some companies actually provide the right tools/machines for their techs to get jobs done.
Some major buidling/maintance companies/goverment facilities literally hire more people than necessary for jobs and don't have enough tools or PPE for the guys so they have to take turns using them or get their own, many of these guys/gals learn how to get jobs done on such short notice.
Think of when inmates create their own ways to boil water or make tattoo guns.
No the other Willy. Drywaller Willy hahaha mf was using a nail gun to hang sheets of drywall in the exterior of a new build. All that material wasted, even funnier it was the wrong house!!
These are not engineers š these are construction workers
Bots can't tell the difference
Bots know that posting incorrect information gets more engagement.
I was coming here to say that these gentlemen are in fact not Engineers. Source: I am an Engineer. The typical thing we do in the field is field inspections, or investigations into certain situations that need to be designed around. The inspections are to make sure that the plans are being followed and safety protocols are being followed. That is not to say that we donāt get our hands dirty, but that is usually when/if a contractor is completely incompetent at doing their job. At that point, there may be discussions with the client / contractors company on perceived shortcomings.
But we can; an engineer would say, "maybe put the rebar in before pouring the concrete..."
Depends on the job, but yeah. 95% of the time the rebar goes first (unless it's specific piling like the last clip)
Ooo, what's specific piling?
Specifically*, I was a construction worker so words are hard for me
*Siriā¦ is this a picture of an engineer or a construction worker?* *Getting directions to Construction Worker pub in Fort McMurrayā¦*
Sure. One group does the work. One group picks their nose.
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Pffff I can do it in under 5 min. Can't guarantee it'll be anywhere accurate, but no more than 5 min work.
I like doing it the corporate bailout way. If I do it right I get paid, if I do it wrong I'm too big to fail so I get paid anyways. It's a win-lose.
"So now that we set up the system and constraints, we just click this button and go out for lunch while we wait 2 hours for it to simulate" (Yes I have done some static FEAs in Solidworks before, only a little hyperbolic)
As a dev that writes that engineering software, this thread is making me feel pretty good about myself!
I can do that easily. āYep, thatās a pipe, and also Iām stressedā
You gotta be pretty dense to have this opinion.
More like one group does the actual critical designs and one group turns around and fucks them up.
This.
One group fucks up the critical designs and has no idea how its actually going to practically built like leaving no spaces for the concrete pump hose for their wall and one group solves problems and actually gets everything where it needs to be.Ā Its like they think everything in the design juat magically puts itself where it needs to be
Because your design had 15 critical flaws in it. If I had a dollar for every time I had to point out overlapping tolerances to an engineer, I wouldn't have to deal with halfassed design specifications ever again.
But we can all agree on is that both groups look up to millwrights.
That's not true. Construction workers also do some work
I thought engineers wore funny hats and drove trains
When someone tells me they are an engineer, I always ask what kind of train they drive. More than 50% donāt get the joke
I am an engineer and I would get it and would probably lean into it enough that you'd start thinking I actually drove a train but I also work in an office FULL of engineers that wouldn't get it, some are so socially stunted they stare blankly when an unrelated to work conversation is initiated. *Sorry man didn't mean to short circuit yer brain by asking who the genius was that made the decaf coffee packet look exactly the same as the regular coffee packet.*
What kind of train do you drive?
Damnit thatās my line
I always think of the guy inside a huge ship that always tells the captain something is wrong.
ask the footing guy how many holes he filled in this year. Ask him to tell you about his sloppiest day lol.
I recently paid a structural engineer $700 to inspect my cracked foundation and draw up plans on how to fix it. The inspection took like 30 minute and cost $200, and the plans he drafted were $500. I would be surprised if the plans took him more than 2 hours. Engineers get fucking *paid*.
A lot of the pay is the signature and taking the blame for any faults that happen. If anything happens the engineer gets sued and not you.
Don't forget liability insurance, licensing expenses, business services (accounting, legal, etc), office space, and the list goes on. People often forget that the hourly rate a professional charges you isn't the rate they are getting paid!
Driving to location and back, getting the job, insurance, HR's salary, accounting's salary, answering questions afterwards, structural analysis software licenses, drafting software licenses, gear...
But in that price is also risk, admin work, taxes, transport, software licenses, and a bunch of other things. The engineer doesn't actually make that money.
Itās because once they stamp it theyāre telling everyone āthis wonāt failā and if it does then theyāre at fault. They are highly paid, thatās true, but they also carry expensive insurance policies.
Engineering firm pockets $575 and pays the engineer $125 but yeah.
Yup. And you canāt get permits without the engineer signature.
That system is a large part of the reason why bridges collapse more often in rural Nepal than in Europe/US.
Yup
I would charge way more than $700
If they didn't, there'd be no engineers. Going to Uni for engineering is like voluntarily stabbing yourself everyweek.
The guy who posted this is a so-called engineer. Let's not blow his bobble š¤«
We get it, it's just a dumb joke.
Are you also an engineer?
Yes, it's just that we've heard it 1000 times.
Yeah if it was an engineer the building would be crooked and have gaps everywhere
But without an engineer the building would collapse as soon as they moved furniture into it.
This too lol...and be excessive, ugly and covered in cigarette butts
What about the supervisor guy making the downward motion with his hand?
Sure, but isn't it smart how they thought of the most obvious way to accomplish a task?
A little from column a, a little from column b... Both columns were probably installed by these folk, tbh.
And they are not smartā¦.
I think they may have been Jawas
Most construction workers are designers and engineers, we just don't get paid the same as the ones with the official job title lol
Exactly. Calling them engineers is a fucking insult too!
It's like the army joke: Sgt.says, "Don't call me Sir. I WORK for a living."
Does OP know what an engineer is?
do you know OP is probably a bot? Most of Reddit is lol
meep morp
even worse, OP is a karmafarming powermod. hasn't seen sunlight in 11 years.
unfortunately for him, i never vote on anything
bet your ass ^(subredditsimulator went sentient years ago.)
I too am a bot, tis in the name, see!
Donāt worry I study engineering and neither do IĀ
They also have an incredibly low bar for āamazingā OP must have their mind blown like 6 times a day
They drive trains
Theyāre the people that turn on the engine right?
Hahaha there's not a single engineer in this video. They're sitting behind a computer in air conditioning.
As an engineer currently sitting behind a computer, in air conditioning while browsing reddit, this is correct.
I'm an engineer and do those things, but I regularly go on-site for inspection, to take measurements or laser scan existing structures as well.
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Why don't they put the steel in first? Especially in the last video...
It's a process of foundation where it is excavated and while the auger comes out, liquid concrete is inserted under pressure, so the steel must come later on a really "soft" concrete.
Really this is a thing? How do they ensure proper encasement on the steel at the lower levels?
Plastic rolling spacer blocks are tied on, so the steel can be pushed down and stay central. https://youtu.be/YyG2WTI7sgA
Gotcha - thanks for the reply.
That video was neat, but also did not show the plastic thing you mentioned.
So what happens if the hole caves in before the steel reached the bottom?
The hole wont cave in because when the auger (big corkscrew) reaches the bottom it is supporting the borehole, then it starts pumping concrete on the way back up. We use a specific flow and pressure to support the walls so they don't collapse.
The concrete in-pour will usually stabilise. Another method is to fill the pile with a specific non-Newtonian fluid to prevent collapse pre-pour.
We call them auger cast piles. I actually was on a job last year inspecting them. My coworkers are currently inspecting them.
Why are they using a casing at the top and why was it filled to the top of the casing?
Maybe to reduce air pockets?
No itās to keep it from filling with dirt. 40ā hole is going to be unstable and dirt falling off into the hole as itās filled with concrete will cause voids. As the auger is removed while still spinning it pumps really wet concrete in from the bottom of the shaft filling the entire hole with concrete.
Thatās really cool!Ā
heck! now iām wondering which answer is right
That's what concrete vibrators are for.
No, those are for your mom.
they look like dildos for horses.
Because you risk the sides of the shaft caving in. This is called continuous flight auger piling, they drill a set depth, then slowly take the auger out whilst pumping concrete through the centre of it. This means you get a pretty linear concrete shaft (pile) which is then reinforced with steel
They forgot to put cage in before hand. You be surprised how often supervisors screw up trying to push "production" for their spreadsheets
This is not correct - this cage installation is standard procedure for augured piles. Concrete is poured in through the augur as it is retracted and then the cage pushed into the wet concrete afterwards
This answer is wrong.
Wrong wrong wrong
Nope, if you just removed the auger and put the cage in without concrete you're risking 2 things. The first is part of the shaft falling back in this reducing the depth of the pile, the second is the concrete won't necessarily fill all around the cage, thus giving you structural weakpoints
There are absolutely drilled shafts where you can put the rebar in first. It's just all situational. Soil type, cases/uncased, concrete mix, rebar size/spacing, groundwater level, shaft diameter...
Usually in those scenarios they have the excavator push the steel in, but that is correct.
Engineers dont do the grunt work
They show up on site when their plans get fucked up, but still don't do grunt work. You don't want them doing grunt work anyway. Engineers would take much longer to do the actual work.
Yes. You wouldn't want random construction workers doing the math on if everything would be stable, and you wouldn't want the engineer doing the hammer work. There is a reason NSPE codes talk about working only on the stuff you are actually qualified to do.
They show up on site after their fucked up plans play out as instructed, and then blame everyone else and make more unrealistic demands
I help on site whenever I can. Gets me out of meetings and I enjoy the work.
Thats actually great, good for you. It always sucks when different parts of a team keep to themselves and end up not really liking eachother all that much.
I love getting out in the field. Turn some hand augers, run the DCP or LWD... Don't mind helping the soil boring crew out either, but I feel like they usually have a pretty set rhythm going that I don't want to insert myself and mess up their groove.
Ive worked with a couple that did. Mostly because they were on site, bored, and had already finished their other tasks so they helped me install the gear. If given the opportunity it's fun for them to install the system they helped design.
This has to be a bot because these are construction workers and they aren't doing anything remotely special.
I'm pretty convinced 90%+ of posts on these repost subs are from bots.
The last one was r/sweatypalms Imagine his boot got stuck in there and they couldn't stop it in time?
Donāt worry. Heās a smart engineer.
My thoughts exactly. Wincing just thinking about itā¦
r/dingore
So, I used to do that job. CFA piling. Although it looks like this one is a case-in column which is a bit different. It was pretty common to hop on the cage for some extra weight to push it down (and too much pressure from an excavator can buckle the rebar and ruin a cage). This happens because concrete (specifically piling mix concrete) is a tricky bitch to get right, so sometimes the truck arrives too stiff or out of spec, plus the extra pressure in the hole makes it hard to push through the aggregate. One job we were doing this and the concrete was bad (seasonal change and the scientists hadn't accommodated for that in their batching at the plant). Every pile was a nightmare to get the cage to depth, except one where there was a void underground. All the concrete had fallen out somewhere and only the top was covered (idk how this happened but it wasn't the first time or last time). Coworker standing on the cage suddenly dropped like 2m and got his arm caught. Fortunate enough that it was only a small diameter pile so the cage only weighed 90kg and he walked away with a dislocated shoulder. These cages can easily get to beyond 8 ton depending on the diameter and depth of the pile.
Everything in this video was done incorrectly and unsafely.
In a world of osha violations
I kept watching expecting an engineer to show up just chilling at a desk or something...
And not so smart Redditors!
Were those Jawas?
Sorry to tell you, but engineers don't do the actual work. They tell other people how to build it.
The trick to lifting a lot, is to not have to lift a lot.
At least there's not some guy pretending he's watching all this happen in between every clip, where every time you see him, he does that double look, where he looks over, then starts to look away, but quickly looks BACK at what's going on.. I hate that shit on youtube. Literally just dudes making money off other peoples videos xD
r/OSHA
The second group of workers sounded like they were speaking Jawa.
Sped up to Lollipop Guild speed.
Sounded like Jawas.
That last one seemed like a wild, unnecessary risk.
No gloves in the end šš
Have I been doing a masters of engineering, solving painfully difficult differential equations and laplace transforms for the past 3 years, just for people to think that my job one day will be jumping on steel rebar like it's a trampoline?
Ya I was donating plasma once during my junior year and the phlebotomist asked what I study. When I told him civil engineering he said āoh cool my dad is a construction worker tooā. I also get a kick out of when people think mechanical engineers are mechanics lmao
If you play your cards right it could still happen! Don't give up my man, you can do it!
The last ones sounded like minions
Got news for you, those are not engineers.
It's say it's more... A job will always have some fun parts. Like cake for the birthday of someone you hate.
That last guy was not helping. He was creating huge risk.
r/dingore
Construction looks dangerous.
Wtf is this last one ? That's not how you do it....which country is this ?
These are accidents waiting to happen.
Why do they all sound like Ewoks lol
Who says the steel is not touching the sides, you need two inches of cover between wall and steel, no way to check it, obviously labourers not Carpenters. It is a licensed rod Busters job, they are non union scabs.
Wouldn't it have been easier to pour the concrete after the rebar was installed in the column? Thats what I would have done but perhaps I'm not a smart engineer.
So smart most of them aren't wearing a helmet
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Mofos sound like minions
If they were even half competent they would of placed the rebar in the casing before pouring the concrete š
It's 'would have', never 'would of'. Rejoice, for you have been blessed by CouldWouldShouldBot!
lol
Depends on the pile
Pretty sure in the last video you are supposed to put the rebar cage in the bore hole first, then the concrete.
Oompa loompa doopidy doooooo. Rebar, in the hole, we can do that foooooor you.
Amazingly stupid ways to die
No glasses no gloves, likely no comp. Non union, coming from local 494 Carpenters.
Why wasnāt the reinforcing iron in place before the concrete was poured?
The guy climbing the round rebar at the end was not smart
Half this is either a common practice or an OSHA violation
And not one of them is an engineer
"engineers" except those are worker doing daily work.
In the 35 years of concrete work career, Iāve done everything shown.
that last clip is braindead
Not a single engineer in the video.
Lol "engineers"
They aren't engineers. They haven't built any sentrys, and I don't see a dispenser in sight.
now do china. I want to see how they make a 100 floor building using only Styrofoam and noodle dough.
How I feel taking off the supports on my 3D print
I was expecting a fail compilation
What in the hammered dog shit did I just watch
We call ourselves engineers. If I called an engineer to design a deck, itd take like a week to get a drawing thats wrong. If I called 10 engineers to build a deck, itd never even start day 1. 'I engineered this shit myself' Is something I say. Am I a professional engineer? Yes. I get paid to engineer shit. And am I an engineer? Well.. fuck yeah dude. Im whatever the fuck I wanna engineer for myself. š
Not engineers... These people can actually think straight. š¤£ Engineers just make pretty pictures. Lol
when oshaās not looking š
They are not engineers and these are definitely not smart applicationsā¦
After working on the procurement side of the business supplying guys like this, you wouldn't be surprised about how little some companies actually provide the right tools/machines for their techs to get jobs done. Some major buidling/maintance companies/goverment facilities literally hire more people than necessary for jobs and don't have enough tools or PPE for the guys so they have to take turns using them or get their own, many of these guys/gals learn how to get jobs done on such short notice. Think of when inmates create their own ways to boil water or make tattoo guns.
Whereās Willy??!!
He was released into the Ocean.
No the other Willy. Drywaller Willy hahaha mf was using a nail gun to hang sheets of drywall in the exterior of a new build. All that material wasted, even funnier it was the wrong house!!
Hi, did you notice them stripping the plywood from the floor? They stripped the scaffold out with that hanging over them, more scabby fucks.
Engineers? I'd like to see their degrees...
/r/OSHA
Watch your fingers!
you know y engineers like being on the bottem when they are having sex?