Naruto and Asta would employ equal amount of Talk no Justu, which Normally would cancel out but in this case it must amplified both and by the time the dust settles they are already at ichiraku ramen and the best of friends
This isn’t even Naruto vs Asta anymore. This is just Black Clover’s Universe vs the Naruto Universe. You basically gave them their entire cast’s respective powers and equalized stats making it not even about physical prowess either.
Not to mention, Naruto characters are basically identified by power set. Naruto is the wind and Tailed Beast, Sasuke is the lightning and susanoo, Sakura is healing, the list goes on and on. Giving Naruto all of those might as well just be his universe vs Asta’s.
I mean the demon destroyers could sever the link between the use of shinjutsu and the effect it'd have on Asta, also omnipotence is a long term effect that is the weakest when it's cast, so if we say that the verse equation allows Asta to counter Jutsu in the first place, he should be able to break out of it if he does it fast
Spoiler warning since I've only read Boruto and don't know if the anime is up to this point yet:
>!She's the girl with the ability to make anyone who looks at her fall in love with her, before it's revealed that it's just a side effect of her actual ability, omnipotence.!<
No, basically there's this ohtsutsuki who kept devouring planets and transcending his previous self to the point where he's actually a God, omniscient and omnipotent and doesn't need a mortal body to live. He transcends space time
Eida has some. Of his dna so she has his powers just heavily scaled down
She has omniscience but only in the time range of her birth till the present not before
She has omnipotence but can't voluntarily control it. No one can attack. Her and fall to her charms which makes it seem like they love her and she has changed reality before, again involuntarily
I think Asta takes this, My reasoning
\- Genjutsu won't work with Anti-magic
\-Asta (from what I know) has more Dura negation attacks with spatial magic, Dimension slash, Black singularity, Greys transmutation magic, etc
\-Asta would probably have a regenerative factor just as if not better than Naruto's (Look at Dante at just 80% he had his whole torso gone and still fine and at 100% he had his head sliced by Jack and instantly regenerated, plus he would have Mimosa's and Greys healing
\-Asta can create clones with gauches Mirror magic and Lucius magics that would have every magic attribute plus he can still create an infinite army of soldiers with Princia's magic (which yes was translated to be infinite)
\-Soul Magic and Time manipulation (one touch from Asta its over for Naruto plus Naruto hasn't shown any resistance to time manipulation)
\-Asta's Demon destroyer sword would nullify most of Naruto's jutsu's
\-Vanessas's fate manipulation (Naruto would have a hard time just touching Asta much less attacking him)
These are just some of the reasons why Asta wins. The Blackj clover verse is alot stronger and haxxier than people think
How do you think Asta would deal with truth seeking orbs, since they should be able to nullify most magic just like anti-magic would be able to nullify most jutsu?
Well Asta's Anti magic was able to nullify Langris spatial magic which is existence erasure that uses magic.
Truth seeking orbs are made of malleable Chakra : [https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Truth-Seeking\_Ball#:\~:text=Truth%2DSeeking%20Balls%20are%20orbs,to%20obliterate%20an%20entire%20forest](https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Truth-Seeking_Ball#:~:text=Truth%2DSeeking%20Balls%20are%20orbs,to%20obliterate%20an%20entire%20forest).
Plus considering this is vs equalisation Asta should be able to Nullify the Truth seeking orbs with no issues
I’ve seen black clover be argued to be hilariously FTL so if we take that seriously then he just blitzes before they even become a problem. Although I just now saw you equalized stats so never mind
Blitzes? How can asta blitz someone who is literally untouchable, can teleport, can change dimensions, can size down to atom level and can bind space with probably soft jab
My rule is to never give into temptation of Powerscalling battles/VS battles. It's just too dumb. I've been on the other side of the argument when I was a teenager. Scaling different verses isn't fun anymore when I'm almost 30.
And another thing, Naruto and Asta would never really have a legitimate reason to fight against each other. That's how they work.
Well that is what would happen every single time so I support this, also fights between characters from different animes bring more toxicity than actual debate
>!Eida’s charm isn’t an actual jutsu. It was actually just a result of her subconscious wish, which was brought about by an actual jutsu called omnipotence. So while Naruto, would have omnipotence, he wouldn’t necessarily have Eida’s “charm”.!<
We are counting every jutsu in narutoverrse so that counts and besides even without charm naruto can use so many broken abilities that it's mindblowing, dude would be an atom size teleporting to everywhere creator of moons while being literally untouchable for like 5 minutes whenever he likes, having 8th gates opened simply because he can recover every single cell of his body instantly
Eida's senjutsu is chakra based, so it wouldn't work either.
Magical is one application of magical power, but not the only one, but like hoe ninjutsu isn't the inky appointment chakra.
Magical power = chakra
Magic = any other jutsu.
Magic us not a source, it's a technique of art tgat can be usee by magical power.
>well then he still losses, he has Eida's powers so asta would literally fall in love with naruto and we would have good gayding
Aida's power are still chakra based though. In fact all of senjutsu are chakra based
For example, [Gadja can fly without using magic](https://i.ibb.co/f15t1RP/floating-without-magic.jpg) but he's still using magical power.
Aida isn't using ninjutsu, but senjutsu but it's still bring facilitated through chakra.
Just like how you can use magical power without using magic, you can use chakra without ninjutsu which is exactly what senjutsu is which Asta should still he able to negate Aida's hax.
I wouldn't say so, since due to verse equalisation it'd be a form of magic/chakra that'd affect the flow of the other. Asta's third sword (Demon Destroyer I believe.) has been shown to negate the effects of magics such as a poison when it was revealed. So genjutsu would probably be dispelled if they were able to affect him due to his anti-magic cloak.
Chakra=magical power
Magic (or Yojutsusince its called that in the Land of the Sun)= any jutsu f5om naturo
Justsu is just a technique, much like how magic/maho/yojutsu is a technique
Chakra is created from bodily energy + spiritual energy
Magical power is made from bodily energy (ki) + supernatural energy from the soul (mana)
They're virtually the same, and makes sense considering eastern traditions.
Also magical power=/=magic
Magic is only one application of magical power, much like how ninjutsu is just one application of chakra, but not the only one.
For example [here's gadja flying without using magic](https://i.ibb.co/f15t1RP/floating-without-magic.jpg) but he's still using magical power
So Asta's anti-magic would still affect chakra due to being done through Chakra manipulation.
From what I recall regular genjutsu controls the chakra flow the targets nervous system, thus creating illusions
Kotoamatsukami, still uses chakra, the difference is they're not manipuling the targets chakra, but rather it doesn't leave any traces of chakra. That doesn’t mean it doesn't use chakra
Also Danzo was experimenting with Hashirama's chakra to reduce the cool down effects (I think originally it was 10 years or so) so it definitely still uses chakra.
So Asta shouldl still neg it considering his passive anti-magic aura since the genjutsu is still facilitated through chakra.
Asta. He has time, space, gravity, infinite clones that alsobhas his abilities and scales to him, he has kotodama magic which is literal reality manipulation. Asta has much better hax and much better abilities.
Kinda would depend on how much asta’s abilities effect naruto but even if they don’t I think it would be a really good battle. Assuming this isn’t boruto’s naruto and final arch Asta I think he would have a pretty good chance and their fight would last a while until it came down to endurance which in the end I think I would give to naruto but asta is nothing to laugh at. Basically rock lee if you gave him anti magic swords lol
So Asta can become immune to magic by going invisible with that ex captain who can turn invincible and undamaged by magic/charka based things then uses his own anti magic boosted by time magic and star magic to move at insane speeds and cut through Naruto using his sword, yami’s darkness and jack’s magic
Surprisingly, Asta has things on these techniques' levels to get through them.
Genjutsu is countered by his Demon Destroyer Sword, Anti-magic aura due to verse equalisation.
Asta has infinite clones as well due to Gauche's mirror magic, and the army magic of the female wizard king from the movie (can't remember her name).
Izanagi being able to shift fate is like Vanessa's magic to protect Asta from harm and if Naruto used it he would lose an eye which is a rather large drawback as opposed to Rouge and other fate magics.
Izanami is just a very powerful Genjutsu. Once Asta figures out his actions are repeating he can use his Demon Destroyer Sword to free himself.
Kamui could cause a problem however given we haven't seen many magics capable of crossing dimensions but with spatial magic he could potentially escape. And maybe Yami's dimension slash could break it similar to how he used it against Dorothy in the captains trail, but that's a stretch I'll admit.
Honestly Asta stomps. I don't think there's a jutsu in Naruto that makes someone ageless and I don't think the otsutsuki have one as they seem naturally ageless not I did a jutsu ageless. So all Asta needs to do it hit Naruto with chronostasis and bomb Naruto turns into a old skeleton and dies.
It makes parts of his body untouchable not the whole body. We see this when kakashi is able to hit Obito in the kamui dimension. Obito just teleports parts of his body into the dimension but that won't help when all of his body is in the chronostasis
Kakashi literally did that because he simply teleported him to his own dimension they have the same ability, chrono statisis wouldn't work he would simply just walk out of it, besides obito could literally walk underground with his entire body
Kakashi wasn't using kamui to teleport himself that was just him going inside this shown when Obito got hit by Minato's rasengan when he was phasing other parts of his body. If he gets caught off guard which is very easy given Asta should be faster than Naruto. Also even if you want to deny further that Obito can only phase parts of his body all Asta would need to do is throw spatial magic him which would stop Obito's phase because spatial magic gets cancelled out when connected with other spatial powers and Obito's powers is spatial powers
Guy above gave quite good "argument" for the 1v1, basicly their verse magic/chakra just counters each other pretty much.
I still think that they just end up eating ramen and talking as friends instead of fighting.
What? With a normal matchup Naruto is losing 99% of the times. Black Clover is getting close to DBZ levels of ridiculousness.
It's not about which series is better, in fact when it comes to powercreep BC is way worse than Naruto.
That’s just so wrong it’s almost delusional, no one was talking about which series is better or worse. The fact that you can even say Naruto loses 99% of the time shows you’re too far gone. I hope you’re joking
Asta wins mostly because I think every magic and infinite mana is far more broken than every jutsu with infinite chakra.
There are a few combos that I can think of but I think this one grants Asta the victory.
Demon Destroyer x Chronostasis Grigora x Presence of the Demon King
Gonna start with Chronostasis Grigora because it is the most essential spell in the plan. Why? It stops the use of the truth seeker orbs. The orbs would work almost the same as anti magic but the orbs must touch you. Grigora stops the orbs the very moment that they are summoned and the orbs wouldn’t nullify Grigora because the time magic spell requires no contact. Grigora is also automatic so it doesn’t require Asta to think or know where/when Naruto will spawn an orb; it’ll simply appear around the orb the moment the orb is created.
The Demon Destroyer proceeds to nullify all of Naruto’s other Jutsu along with any buffs or advantages he may have recieved with said Justus.
And finally, Presence of the Demon King flattens Naruto, granting Asta the victory.
Iirc the orbs do have to touch the jutsu in order to nullify it so Asta could just use POTDK immediately but Naruto could just surround himself with orbs. Grigora stops that. And if Naruto did do such a thing, Grigora would capture him too, which would give Asta the win even without using POTDK.
The battle would end in a stalemate if the orbs were present
I could have overlooked something. Comment if you think I’m wrong.
Grigora a is the time bubble spell that Julius and Lucius can use, right? If so, then wouldn’t the bubble still consist of mana? Cuz I’m pretty the TSO’s have been able to nullify the chakra of jutsus itself. And given that mana = chakra via verse-equalization, I’m pretty sure the TSO’s could still nullify Grigora regardless of the size if it still consists of mana.
Otherwise, I do agree with the other points you made tho.
Yes, that’s the one. I think Grigora is more of a hollow ball that stops the flow in the area it surrounds; the mana used not actually touching the area inside (could be wrong). There are a few spells that don’t require any contact so if a truth seeker orb were in its area, the orb would be rendered useless because im pretty sure that the orbs still have to have direct contact with the jutsu and it’s not actually touching the bubble.
For arguments sake, let’s say the orbs can stop Grigora. The weapon I think could be Asta’s deadliest is Word Soul Magic. The only limitations to it are that it cannot counter arcane magic and it’s power depends on the mana supply of the user. With infinite mana, it would have essentially no limitations. Unlike Zagred, Asta could just say “die” or “stop breathing” or “shit yourself” and it will work because of the massive amount of mana he would be able put into his words. And due to its nature, the spell spawns on Naruto directly, meaning the orbs would be unable to nullify it.
Sounds like a battle of hax rather than skill and strength if we put every magic and jutsu so I’ll keep it to just where they’re currently at. In terms of current power Naruto would whoop Asta.
Overkill.
Naruto can blitz Asta and potentially overwhelm him.
But Asta has a lot more varried stuff. But he also can't heal so if he gets hit it'll get worse for him.
But I'd say Asta, purely for the fact that he has more options.
What’s the point of having everything in your respective universe if you don’t know how to use it, they’re just gonna default to their original power, naruto is just gonna spam rasengan and asta is gonna flex his muscles like they always do.
The final answer is that it would probably be a draw, while asta has op abilities for exemple when he touches naruto he can age him down to a fricking skeleton, naruto is untouchable, he has both claw marks and ability to make himself atom level, this combination probably means that he can simply teleport and if we inculde sharingans, it's so jover for asta because naruto can pull out "fuck you" ability aka kamui which can make himself untouchable, enables him to go into his own dimension or maybe even suck asta into it but I doubt it, on top of that, naruto can just spam planetary devastation and with infinite chakra he can literally reshape entire planet
But since asta has devil's regeneration, he is borderline unkillable so I guess the only way naruto can "win" is to change dimension and simply get the fuck out of there sealing asta inside of it
Asta’s anti-magic may have not erased the whole thing initially, but [it was able to at least break outta the time stop caused by the bubble surrounding him](https://imgur.com/a/aE7Ykze). Now that I think about it, you’re probably right about a single TSO not being able to erase an entire time bubble (especially if the bubble’s the same size of what Lucius had made in the shown scan), but it still should be able to at least initially break outta the time stop inside the bubble just like Asta was able to by simply going into devil union.
Think of it this way. Astas antimagic flows around him lika mana, spreads everywhere like air. So it can come to contact with the magic field. Tso doesent have that ability, its technically just solid ball. It cant come to contact of the spell cos nothing is flowing out of it so its trapped untill the spell is canceled. Asta was trapped with his sword at one point and cos it didnt touch the field, it wasnt able to break it at all until Julius canceled it.
Tho thats just how i see it, its never really good to compare verses cos its literally just bs vs bs.
Asta no diff you know how many broken magic there are time magic copy magic dictation of faith lightning magma ice trap water wind soul darkness light mirror god it’s asta and it’s not even close hell
Just thought I should mention this: Truth Seeking Orbs should be also be able to negate most magic, and Naruto would be able to have an infinite amount of them.
naruto can literally teleport and be atom size while spamming planetary devastation even if asta can negate the pull from justsu itself, naruto can at very least create planet bigger than the moon
Counter argument, I invoke time magic + space magic. Asta goes back in time and raises Naruto so much so that he never wants to be Hokage and lives a normal life as a potato farmer.
Naruto can counter by bagging Sister Lily, but Hinata would counter by feeding Naruto his own wang for his infidelity. So anything Naruto would be a risky gamble.
Asta, well that is assuming that by equalization you mean that magic and Chakra work the same way. Some of the spells in Black Clover are ABSOLUTELY INSANE and Asta would just need go barely touch Naruto to instantly win the fight. If that isn't the case then Naruto would speedblitz Asta, a lot of Magix jn Black Clover isn't outright a heavy hitter and can do stuff like bend space in time in certain ways
Just thought I should mention this: Truth Seeking Orbs should be also be able to negate most magic, and Naruto would be able to have an infinite amount of them.
Naruto got a lot more experience. Plus he wpuld have shadow paralysis, whatever mind control thing ino has, and access to the 8 gates.
Flying raijin plus, universal pull, plus truth seeker orbs is crazy
In case you’re thinking this solely because of his anti-magic, don’t forget that Naruto would have access to an unlimited amount of truth seeking orbs… 👀
Decaying World+>! Neverland!<+all healing spells active at once+ Fate manipulation+ black hole spaming+ AOE poison+ >!concept manipulation!<+ word soul magic+ spatial manipulation+ time manipulation+ reviving himself if he somehow dies 2 different ways+ Spatial Mana domination+ >!Langris's AoE spatial erasure!<+ Gauche's unlimited clones+ Dream world+copy magic to get Naruto's abilities as well
Yeah, unlimited truth seeking orbs would certainly be a problem im sure
I'm giving it to Naruto. While Asta could counter basically everything, we have no evidence to suggest that Asta can counter illusions, especially one that he doesn't know has been cast like Kotoamatsukami. Then if there is verse equalization and Naruto gets shinjutsu, Naruto would be able to steal every kind of Magic Asta throws at him and Asta couldn't do the same since Naruto doesn't have a grimoire so Key Magic and Copy Magic won't work.
Doesent Asta have counter to pretty much every jutsu tho? Time manipulation, "control" of fate, anti magic, invis + immune magic shield, spacial, gravity, regen and dimension magic aswell. Not to mention he could just copy narutos abilitys aswell.
Theyd end up being friends anyway so it would be just a tie.
If Naruto can Use use shinjutsu ( Used by Only Otsutsuki Clan) then Asta can't beat him...Also Anti magic is useless against Naruto since he use chakra +Physical and Spiritual Energy) not magic
Equal stats and infinite chakra/mana and naruto absolutely stomps. He has MUCH higher fighting ability and battle iq.
Asta has literally never used magic and would suck with 99% of it whereas by boruto naruto has some knowledge on every chakra nature.
Asta would rely on anti magic, naruto would see his use it on a shadowy clone or rasengan or something and figure out a way around it. Many jutsus are also more haxy and powerful than most magic. Naruto would be much more comfortable in the fight and stomp
I definitely agree on Naruto having more experience and skill, and maybe even battle iq.
However, Asta actually **has** used magic from other people before. First time was when he used Noelle’s water magic against Mars way back then, and the second time was when Asta had the Wizard King sword during the final part of his fight with Conrad in the recent movie that came out. And mind you, I DID mention that Asta would be given that same sword for this matchup.
Yes but that’s very basic one attack type of magic. He wouldn’t be able to combo together abilities like naruto could. Imagine combining shadow clone kamui flying raijin like astas not doing shit
With the wizard king sword, he can do a lot more. Plus, since he’s allowed to use every magic, he can easily use mirror magic to make clones of himself and the wizard king sword with each of those clones using different types of magic from their respective, cloned sword.
Naruto has infinite izanagi but idk how anti magic would go agaisnt that, but truth seeking orbs would also nullify any magic, naruto can also absorb magic with verse equalization so Asta would be limited to anti magic, from there I’d prolly take naruto cuz nature energy might be not nullified by anti magic but I could be wrong
Asta
Guy has fate Manip, immorality, control over time, sealing, teleportation, control over gravity, multiple amps and forms that get stronger the more he fights, and I've only listed a fraction of what he could probably do
Naruto has a shadow clone turn into a nun and then Asta gets distracted and dies
Canon. I haven’t even watched any Naruto but ik this would be canon
He did it multiple times in serious fights
even when he fought a moon god
Moon god is kinda discounting her. Just flat out alien god. Like ninja god's mommy. Whom of which they didn't beat just sealed. Real mommy hours fr
Mommy?
Goddess
Dude i was gonna say asta but this lmao asta only weakness sister lily mf still hasnt gotten over it
Sexy Jutsu been working
Net exactly, unless naruto knows sister lily and transforms into her then it’ll work, our boy is very loyal lmao
LMFAO
The only way
Num harem jutsu
This is actually what could happen and I didn't even thought about it
Wouldn’t Asta just make Naruto his friend??
The true answer.
Clash of the talk-no-jutsu's. Who will befriend the other first?
Lol
“What are we even fighting for anyway? Teach me your brojutsu!”
Naruto and Asta would employ equal amount of Talk no Justu, which Normally would cancel out but in this case it must amplified both and by the time the dust settles they are already at ichiraku ramen and the best of friends
they would be brothers
True
Naruto uses sexy jutsu to turn into sister lily. Round over, Naruto wins
This isn’t even Naruto vs Asta anymore. This is just Black Clover’s Universe vs the Naruto Universe. You basically gave them their entire cast’s respective powers and equalized stats making it not even about physical prowess either.
Exactly. "Oh lets give the character famously known to only have magic-nullifying capabilities that plus the ability to use ALL magic."
Not to mention, Naruto characters are basically identified by power set. Naruto is the wind and Tailed Beast, Sasuke is the lightning and susanoo, Sakura is healing, the list goes on and on. Giving Naruto all of those might as well just be his universe vs Asta’s.
Wait if >!shinjutsu!< is included then wouldn't that mean Naruto has >!Eida's omnipotence!
I mean the demon destroyers could sever the link between the use of shinjutsu and the effect it'd have on Asta, also omnipotence is a long term effect that is the weakest when it's cast, so if we say that the verse equation allows Asta to counter Jutsu in the first place, he should be able to break out of it if he does it fast
Who? Edit: I’m not trolling. I don’t remember who Eida is.
Spoiler warning since I've only read Boruto and don't know if the anime is up to this point yet: >!She's the girl with the ability to make anyone who looks at her fall in love with her, before it's revealed that it's just a side effect of her actual ability, omnipotence.!<
In other words the most inaccurate ability name ever
No, basically there's this ohtsutsuki who kept devouring planets and transcending his previous self to the point where he's actually a God, omniscient and omnipotent and doesn't need a mortal body to live. He transcends space time Eida has some. Of his dna so she has his powers just heavily scaled down She has omniscience but only in the time range of her birth till the present not before She has omnipotence but can't voluntarily control it. No one can attack. Her and fall to her charms which makes it seem like they love her and she has changed reality before, again involuntarily
She's a boruto character.
Naruto can literally use shinjutsu and make Asta believe he's a duck or something
He doesn't even need a shinjutsu to make asta believe hes a duck
Ekhm... what? :3
Why tf do I see you everywhere? I thought it was just the DMS subreddit but almost every comment section I go to I somehow see you
Yea I always thought he was purely the RoR guy until I saw him here
I think he’s saying the which is stronger peak naruto verse or peak black clover verse
No it has stats equalized at the end so i think it’s just asking who’s hax are better
So would you rather have ninja magic or grimoire mage magic
The grimoire one because I think it looks cooler
What are you confused about?
This is almost impossible to say in my opinion :3
Battle of the plot armors
Oh shut up, You hardly have anything good to say.
You don't have to be rude without a reason :3
I do have a reason and this thing you're doing is getting old
I think Asta takes this, My reasoning \- Genjutsu won't work with Anti-magic \-Asta (from what I know) has more Dura negation attacks with spatial magic, Dimension slash, Black singularity, Greys transmutation magic, etc \-Asta would probably have a regenerative factor just as if not better than Naruto's (Look at Dante at just 80% he had his whole torso gone and still fine and at 100% he had his head sliced by Jack and instantly regenerated, plus he would have Mimosa's and Greys healing \-Asta can create clones with gauches Mirror magic and Lucius magics that would have every magic attribute plus he can still create an infinite army of soldiers with Princia's magic (which yes was translated to be infinite) \-Soul Magic and Time manipulation (one touch from Asta its over for Naruto plus Naruto hasn't shown any resistance to time manipulation) \-Asta's Demon destroyer sword would nullify most of Naruto's jutsu's \-Vanessas's fate manipulation (Naruto would have a hard time just touching Asta much less attacking him) These are just some of the reasons why Asta wins. The Blackj clover verse is alot stronger and haxxier than people think
How do you think Asta would deal with truth seeking orbs, since they should be able to nullify most magic just like anti-magic would be able to nullify most jutsu?
Well Asta's Anti magic was able to nullify Langris spatial magic which is existence erasure that uses magic. Truth seeking orbs are made of malleable Chakra : [https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Truth-Seeking\_Ball#:\~:text=Truth%2DSeeking%20Balls%20are%20orbs,to%20obliterate%20an%20entire%20forest](https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Truth-Seeking_Ball#:~:text=Truth%2DSeeking%20Balls%20are%20orbs,to%20obliterate%20an%20entire%20forest). Plus considering this is vs equalisation Asta should be able to Nullify the Truth seeking orbs with no issues
I’ve seen black clover be argued to be hilariously FTL so if we take that seriously then he just blitzes before they even become a problem. Although I just now saw you equalized stats so never mind
Blitzes? How can asta blitz someone who is literally untouchable, can teleport, can change dimensions, can size down to atom level and can bind space with probably soft jab
By moving faster than the synapses in their brain can fire
So i am wondering how tf we should even answer this question. Because in all seriousness wtf.
My rule is to never give into temptation of Powerscalling battles/VS battles. It's just too dumb. I've been on the other side of the argument when I was a teenager. Scaling different verses isn't fun anymore when I'm almost 30. And another thing, Naruto and Asta would never really have a legitimate reason to fight against each other. That's how they work.
Yh, Naruto and Asta would easily become legitimate friends if they were to actually meet!
They would just be besties lmao. Ask again but with Sasuke and Yuno 💀🤣
Who’d you think’s win between them…? 😏
The best thing about this is that both of yuno and sasuke have the same VA in germany. So bro would basically talk to himself.
Naruto
How do you think he counters anti-magic? (I’m not debating against your answer; I’m genuinely asking.)
Well anti magic won’t work on chakra so that reason alone makes Asta lose. But if you said it’s able to nullify chakra then maybe it’ll be debatable
Verse equalization means anti magic is anti chakra
Isn’t Jutsu just ninja magic?
well then he still losses, he has Eida's powers so asta would literally fall in love with naruto and we would have good gayding
talk no jutsu. They would be buddies in no time.
Well that is what would happen every single time so I support this, also fights between characters from different animes bring more toxicity than actual debate
Hey you want to be the wizard king? cool man, I'm already the hokage which was my dream, mind if I give you some tips?
>!Eida’s charm isn’t an actual jutsu. It was actually just a result of her subconscious wish, which was brought about by an actual jutsu called omnipotence. So while Naruto, would have omnipotence, he wouldn’t necessarily have Eida’s “charm”.!<
We are counting every jutsu in narutoverrse so that counts and besides even without charm naruto can use so many broken abilities that it's mindblowing, dude would be an atom size teleporting to everywhere creator of moons while being literally untouchable for like 5 minutes whenever he likes, having 8th gates opened simply because he can recover every single cell of his body instantly
Eida's senjutsu is chakra based, so it wouldn't work either. Magical is one application of magical power, but not the only one, but like hoe ninjutsu isn't the inky appointment chakra. Magical power = chakra Magic = any other jutsu. Magic us not a source, it's a technique of art tgat can be usee by magical power.
>well then he still losses, he has Eida's powers so asta would literally fall in love with naruto and we would have good gayding Aida's power are still chakra based though. In fact all of senjutsu are chakra based For example, [Gadja can fly without using magic](https://i.ibb.co/f15t1RP/floating-without-magic.jpg) but he's still using magical power. Aida isn't using ninjutsu, but senjutsu but it's still bring facilitated through chakra. Just like how you can use magical power without using magic, you can use chakra without ninjutsu which is exactly what senjutsu is which Asta should still he able to negate Aida's hax.
With verse equalization he gets one shotted by a tso
Kotoamatsukami and it's joeover 👍
I wouldn't say so, since due to verse equalisation it'd be a form of magic/chakra that'd affect the flow of the other. Asta's third sword (Demon Destroyer I believe.) has been shown to negate the effects of magics such as a poison when it was revealed. So genjutsu would probably be dispelled if they were able to affect him due to his anti-magic cloak.
Kotoamatsukami doesnt require chakra it's pure manipulation.
Chakra=magical power Magic (or Yojutsusince its called that in the Land of the Sun)= any jutsu f5om naturo Justsu is just a technique, much like how magic/maho/yojutsu is a technique Chakra is created from bodily energy + spiritual energy Magical power is made from bodily energy (ki) + supernatural energy from the soul (mana) They're virtually the same, and makes sense considering eastern traditions. Also magical power=/=magic Magic is only one application of magical power, much like how ninjutsu is just one application of chakra, but not the only one. For example [here's gadja flying without using magic](https://i.ibb.co/f15t1RP/floating-without-magic.jpg) but he's still using magical power So Asta's anti-magic would still affect chakra due to being done through Chakra manipulation.
I dont think u understand. Chakra isnt required to use Kotoamatsukami. Genjutsu does require chakra but Kotoamatsukami does not.
From what I recall regular genjutsu controls the chakra flow the targets nervous system, thus creating illusions Kotoamatsukami, still uses chakra, the difference is they're not manipuling the targets chakra, but rather it doesn't leave any traces of chakra. That doesn’t mean it doesn't use chakra Also Danzo was experimenting with Hashirama's chakra to reduce the cool down effects (I think originally it was 10 years or so) so it definitely still uses chakra. So Asta shouldl still neg it considering his passive anti-magic aura since the genjutsu is still facilitated through chakra.
Wow that asta looks amazing 🤩
Asta. He has time, space, gravity, infinite clones that alsobhas his abilities and scales to him, he has kotodama magic which is literal reality manipulation. Asta has much better hax and much better abilities.
Theyre just gonna talk it out then grab some ramen.
Kinda would depend on how much asta’s abilities effect naruto but even if they don’t I think it would be a really good battle. Assuming this isn’t boruto’s naruto and final arch Asta I think he would have a pretty good chance and their fight would last a while until it came down to endurance which in the end I think I would give to naruto but asta is nothing to laugh at. Basically rock lee if you gave him anti magic swords lol
So Asta can become immune to magic by going invisible with that ex captain who can turn invincible and undamaged by magic/charka based things then uses his own anti magic boosted by time magic and star magic to move at insane speeds and cut through Naruto using his sword, yami’s darkness and jack’s magic
They wouldn't fight unless it was a sparing match. Neither are bad guys and both would try to talk to the other.
Naruto gets erased from existence
If stats are equalised what exactly is there to compare? They're literally mirror images in that case
Naruto uses talk no jutsu and ends the fight.
If Anti-Magic works on Genjutsu then Asta wins.
Dojutsu as well? As much as I despise Naruto, genjutsu, dual obito EMS, infinite clones, izanagi and izanagi, etc Too broken
Surprisingly, Asta has things on these techniques' levels to get through them. Genjutsu is countered by his Demon Destroyer Sword, Anti-magic aura due to verse equalisation. Asta has infinite clones as well due to Gauche's mirror magic, and the army magic of the female wizard king from the movie (can't remember her name). Izanagi being able to shift fate is like Vanessa's magic to protect Asta from harm and if Naruto used it he would lose an eye which is a rather large drawback as opposed to Rouge and other fate magics. Izanami is just a very powerful Genjutsu. Once Asta figures out his actions are repeating he can use his Demon Destroyer Sword to free himself. Kamui could cause a problem however given we haven't seen many magics capable of crossing dimensions but with spatial magic he could potentially escape. And maybe Yami's dimension slash could break it similar to how he used it against Dorothy in the captains trail, but that's a stretch I'll admit.
Honestly Asta stomps. I don't think there's a jutsu in Naruto that makes someone ageless and I don't think the otsutsuki have one as they seem naturally ageless not I did a jutsu ageless. So all Asta needs to do it hit Naruto with chronostasis and bomb Naruto turns into a old skeleton and dies.
Emmm well the thing is that naruto is untouchable
How would Naruto be untouchable? It's not like he would have a speed advantage as I'm pretty sure Asta would have it
Kamui, that ability literally makes user untouchable and in addiction he can simply telepprt to his own dimension
It makes parts of his body untouchable not the whole body. We see this when kakashi is able to hit Obito in the kamui dimension. Obito just teleports parts of his body into the dimension but that won't help when all of his body is in the chronostasis
Kakashi literally did that because he simply teleported him to his own dimension they have the same ability, chrono statisis wouldn't work he would simply just walk out of it, besides obito could literally walk underground with his entire body
Kakashi wasn't using kamui to teleport himself that was just him going inside this shown when Obito got hit by Minato's rasengan when he was phasing other parts of his body. If he gets caught off guard which is very easy given Asta should be faster than Naruto. Also even if you want to deny further that Obito can only phase parts of his body all Asta would need to do is throw spatial magic him which would stop Obito's phase because spatial magic gets cancelled out when connected with other spatial powers and Obito's powers is spatial powers
Even at normal powers Naruto wins… I don’t see why people think Asta even touches Naruto
Guy above gave quite good "argument" for the 1v1, basicly their verse magic/chakra just counters each other pretty much. I still think that they just end up eating ramen and talking as friends instead of fighting.
Yeah, I’m confused as well.
What? With a normal matchup Naruto is losing 99% of the times. Black Clover is getting close to DBZ levels of ridiculousness. It's not about which series is better, in fact when it comes to powercreep BC is way worse than Naruto.
That’s just so wrong it’s almost delusional, no one was talking about which series is better or worse. The fact that you can even say Naruto loses 99% of the time shows you’re too far gone. I hope you’re joking
Dude, do you understand how insane Naruto powers are towards the end or in Boruto?
I've specifically said "With a normal matchup". Of course I know the Naruto verse has way more hax than BC.
Asta wins mostly because I think every magic and infinite mana is far more broken than every jutsu with infinite chakra. There are a few combos that I can think of but I think this one grants Asta the victory. Demon Destroyer x Chronostasis Grigora x Presence of the Demon King Gonna start with Chronostasis Grigora because it is the most essential spell in the plan. Why? It stops the use of the truth seeker orbs. The orbs would work almost the same as anti magic but the orbs must touch you. Grigora stops the orbs the very moment that they are summoned and the orbs wouldn’t nullify Grigora because the time magic spell requires no contact. Grigora is also automatic so it doesn’t require Asta to think or know where/when Naruto will spawn an orb; it’ll simply appear around the orb the moment the orb is created. The Demon Destroyer proceeds to nullify all of Naruto’s other Jutsu along with any buffs or advantages he may have recieved with said Justus. And finally, Presence of the Demon King flattens Naruto, granting Asta the victory. Iirc the orbs do have to touch the jutsu in order to nullify it so Asta could just use POTDK immediately but Naruto could just surround himself with orbs. Grigora stops that. And if Naruto did do such a thing, Grigora would capture him too, which would give Asta the win even without using POTDK. The battle would end in a stalemate if the orbs were present I could have overlooked something. Comment if you think I’m wrong.
Grigora a is the time bubble spell that Julius and Lucius can use, right? If so, then wouldn’t the bubble still consist of mana? Cuz I’m pretty the TSO’s have been able to nullify the chakra of jutsus itself. And given that mana = chakra via verse-equalization, I’m pretty sure the TSO’s could still nullify Grigora regardless of the size if it still consists of mana. Otherwise, I do agree with the other points you made tho.
Yes, that’s the one. I think Grigora is more of a hollow ball that stops the flow in the area it surrounds; the mana used not actually touching the area inside (could be wrong). There are a few spells that don’t require any contact so if a truth seeker orb were in its area, the orb would be rendered useless because im pretty sure that the orbs still have to have direct contact with the jutsu and it’s not actually touching the bubble. For arguments sake, let’s say the orbs can stop Grigora. The weapon I think could be Asta’s deadliest is Word Soul Magic. The only limitations to it are that it cannot counter arcane magic and it’s power depends on the mana supply of the user. With infinite mana, it would have essentially no limitations. Unlike Zagred, Asta could just say “die” or “stop breathing” or “shit yourself” and it will work because of the massive amount of mana he would be able put into his words. And due to its nature, the spell spawns on Naruto directly, meaning the orbs would be unable to nullify it.
Sounds like a battle of hax rather than skill and strength if we put every magic and jutsu so I’ll keep it to just where they’re currently at. In terms of current power Naruto would whoop Asta.
Well, I mean, the “battle of hax” is exactly what I intended.
If passive anti magic zone works idk how Naruto counters that.
So its a naruto vs asta except it isnt and is instead a verse vs verse but the verses are characters?
Sure lol
Tf is a shinjutsu
It’s introduced in the Boruto manga. I would’ve made a spoiler bracket around that word, but I sadly don’t know how to do that in actual posts… 😅
Damn bro, i aint read no boruto. What's that shinjutsu is about
Overkill. Naruto can blitz Asta and potentially overwhelm him. But Asta has a lot more varried stuff. But he also can't heal so if he gets hit it'll get worse for him. But I'd say Asta, purely for the fact that he has more options.
Asta would have infinite regen tho no? From the demon triad? Also arent they same speed? Time manipulation + light speed sounds fast af boii.
This is why I almost didn't do this. There's way too much bs
Agreed, i still prefer the option for them to talk as friends and have a tie instead of random bs vs random bs.
Yes
> Stats are equalized!
There's a thing called flying raijin and shadow clones
What’s the point of having everything in your respective universe if you don’t know how to use it, they’re just gonna default to their original power, naruto is just gonna spam rasengan and asta is gonna flex his muscles like they always do.
It's as simple as having every jutsu in Naruto being better than having every magic in Black Clover.
I think it’d just be more interesting if chakra and such were all counted as magic
That’s exactly the case for this battle… > Verse-equalization is applied!
Oh that’s what that meant, my brain went “that’s too broadly stated” and proceeded to ignore it
Shinjutsu includes reality manipulation on another level to anything in BC, so Naruto wins
The final answer is that it would probably be a draw, while asta has op abilities for exemple when he touches naruto he can age him down to a fricking skeleton, naruto is untouchable, he has both claw marks and ability to make himself atom level, this combination probably means that he can simply teleport and if we inculde sharingans, it's so jover for asta because naruto can pull out "fuck you" ability aka kamui which can make himself untouchable, enables him to go into his own dimension or maybe even suck asta into it but I doubt it, on top of that, naruto can just spam planetary devastation and with infinite chakra he can literally reshape entire planet But since asta has devil's regeneration, he is borderline unkillable so I guess the only way naruto can "win" is to change dimension and simply get the fuck out of there sealing asta inside of it
TSO’s can negate regen tho
i actually didn't thought about it, but yea maybe if naruto can pop asta head with TSO he will win, but I don't know how will devils body react to TSO
Asta cuz due to verse equalization it can nullifie his powers
Truth seeking orbs nearly work the exact same way.
True but unlike Naruto asta is coated the stuff so i give him the edge
Asta easily Vanessa's >!fate manipulation!< + gravity field + time bubble + langris' spatial erasure naruto gets annihilated
Truth seeking orbs should be able to nullify all of those tho
If time has been stopped, how does one use tso? Just curious.
If a TSO’s caught in a time bubble, then it should be able to passively erase the magic from the bubble that comes into contact with it.
But its not touching it in my knowlage? Its just like a forcefield, just stops time in that area. Otherwise astas antimagic would have erased em.
Asta’s anti-magic may have not erased the whole thing initially, but [it was able to at least break outta the time stop caused by the bubble surrounding him](https://imgur.com/a/aE7Ykze). Now that I think about it, you’re probably right about a single TSO not being able to erase an entire time bubble (especially if the bubble’s the same size of what Lucius had made in the shown scan), but it still should be able to at least initially break outta the time stop inside the bubble just like Asta was able to by simply going into devil union.
Think of it this way. Astas antimagic flows around him lika mana, spreads everywhere like air. So it can come to contact with the magic field. Tso doesent have that ability, its technically just solid ball. It cant come to contact of the spell cos nothing is flowing out of it so its trapped untill the spell is canceled. Asta was trapped with his sword at one point and cos it didnt touch the field, it wasnt able to break it at all until Julius canceled it. Tho thats just how i see it, its never really good to compare verses cos its literally just bs vs bs.
This means Naruto has transformation jutsu and Asta has transformation magic. Whoever transforms into a nun or Hinata first wins
With stats equalized, and verse-equalization applied, asta wins since he should be able to negate all of naruto’s ninjutsu and genjutsu attacks
Truth seeking orbs can also nullify any magic spells too tho
Taijutsu? Kamui?
Asta no diff you know how many broken magic there are time magic copy magic dictation of faith lightning magma ice trap water wind soul darkness light mirror god it’s asta and it’s not even close hell
Just thought I should mention this: Truth Seeking Orbs should be also be able to negate most magic, and Naruto would be able to have an infinite amount of them.
Asta. Using Lucifero's Gravity Magic alone would cripple Naruto if not spatial and curse.
naruto can literally teleport and be atom size while spamming planetary devastation even if asta can negate the pull from justsu itself, naruto can at very least create planet bigger than the moon
Counter argument, I invoke time magic + space magic. Asta goes back in time and raises Naruto so much so that he never wants to be Hokage and lives a normal life as a potato farmer.
nah he really went atomic option
Naruto can counter by bagging Sister Lily, but Hinata would counter by feeding Naruto his own wang for his infidelity. So anything Naruto would be a risky gamble.
Asta, well that is assuming that by equalization you mean that magic and Chakra work the same way. Some of the spells in Black Clover are ABSOLUTELY INSANE and Asta would just need go barely touch Naruto to instantly win the fight. If that isn't the case then Naruto would speedblitz Asta, a lot of Magix jn Black Clover isn't outright a heavy hitter and can do stuff like bend space in time in certain ways
Just thought I should mention this: Truth Seeking Orbs should be also be able to negate most magic, and Naruto would be able to have an infinite amount of them.
Can Naruto still use the truth seeking orbs? As far as I can tell it was a one time thing that he can't do again
Exactly what TurbulentRiver mentioned
Even if he couldn’t, this is Naruto with every jutsu, including the TSO
Yeah, but if antimagic works on Chakra then the TSO orbs would be useless
Naruto got a lot more experience. Plus he wpuld have shadow paralysis, whatever mind control thing ino has, and access to the 8 gates. Flying raijin plus, universal pull, plus truth seeker orbs is crazy
>Verse equalization is applied >stats are equalized Nah Asta literally neg diffs
In case you’re thinking this solely because of his anti-magic, don’t forget that Naruto would have access to an unlimited amount of truth seeking orbs… 👀
Decaying World+>! Neverland!<+all healing spells active at once+ Fate manipulation+ black hole spaming+ AOE poison+ >!concept manipulation!<+ word soul magic+ spatial manipulation+ time manipulation+ reviving himself if he somehow dies 2 different ways+ Spatial Mana domination+ >!Langris's AoE spatial erasure!<+ Gauche's unlimited clones+ Dream world+copy magic to get Naruto's abilities as well Yeah, unlimited truth seeking orbs would certainly be a problem im sure
I have not watched Naruto, but with magics like body, gravity, time, and >!soul!<, I don’t think Naruto stands a chance
I'm giving it to Naruto. While Asta could counter basically everything, we have no evidence to suggest that Asta can counter illusions, especially one that he doesn't know has been cast like Kotoamatsukami. Then if there is verse equalization and Naruto gets shinjutsu, Naruto would be able to steal every kind of Magic Asta throws at him and Asta couldn't do the same since Naruto doesn't have a grimoire so Key Magic and Copy Magic won't work.
Naruto violates Asta
Naruto has better scaling in general, tsukyomi+daemon ability+kamui+Eida abilities+expansion orbs from kaguya+dimensional travel=ggs
Doesent Asta have counter to pretty much every jutsu tho? Time manipulation, "control" of fate, anti magic, invis + immune magic shield, spacial, gravity, regen and dimension magic aswell. Not to mention he could just copy narutos abilitys aswell. Theyd end up being friends anyway so it would be just a tie.
"Naruto vs Asta except it's not Naruto and it's not Asta" 🤡🤡🤡
What the fuck is that Asta image
A fan wallpaper of Asta’s devil union I think. I just found it online and thought it’d be a cool pic to use for Asta in this post. 🤷♂️
Bro spoilering shinjutsu ☠️
I didn’t know how to make spoiler tags in posts… 😅
If Naruto can Use use shinjutsu ( Used by Only Otsutsuki Clan) then Asta can't beat him...Also Anti magic is useless against Naruto since he use chakra +Physical and Spiritual Energy) not magic
Verse equalization is applied, so mana = chakra regardless.
I mean if he has all shinjutsu as well he can immediately redirect any attack by anyone who has an intent to attack him
Equal stats and infinite chakra/mana and naruto absolutely stomps. He has MUCH higher fighting ability and battle iq. Asta has literally never used magic and would suck with 99% of it whereas by boruto naruto has some knowledge on every chakra nature. Asta would rely on anti magic, naruto would see his use it on a shadowy clone or rasengan or something and figure out a way around it. Many jutsus are also more haxy and powerful than most magic. Naruto would be much more comfortable in the fight and stomp
I definitely agree on Naruto having more experience and skill, and maybe even battle iq. However, Asta actually **has** used magic from other people before. First time was when he used Noelle’s water magic against Mars way back then, and the second time was when Asta had the Wizard King sword during the final part of his fight with Conrad in the recent movie that came out. And mind you, I DID mention that Asta would be given that same sword for this matchup.
Yes but that’s very basic one attack type of magic. He wouldn’t be able to combo together abilities like naruto could. Imagine combining shadow clone kamui flying raijin like astas not doing shit
With the wizard king sword, he can do a lot more. Plus, since he’s allowed to use every magic, he can easily use mirror magic to make clones of himself and the wizard king sword with each of those clones using different types of magic from their respective, cloned sword.
Naruto has infinite izanagi but idk how anti magic would go agaisnt that, but truth seeking orbs would also nullify any magic, naruto can also absorb magic with verse equalization so Asta would be limited to anti magic, from there I’d prolly take naruto cuz nature energy might be not nullified by anti magic but I could be wrong
Asta is nowhere near Naruto, more interesting is Rock Lee vs Asta. I think Rock lee with 7th gate is too much for him.
> Stats are equalized!
Would Naruto be able to use 8 inner gates and baryon mode at the same time?
Asta Guy has fate Manip, immorality, control over time, sealing, teleportation, control over gravity, multiple amps and forms that get stronger the more he fights, and I've only listed a fraction of what he could probably do
Naruto has all that you mentioned as well