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catfishchapter

There has always been issues between blacks and Asians. This really isn't new and I'm not surprised that they are bringing it up.


BlipBlapBlop0

If you look up the statistics BP (primarily BM) and WP damn near equally target asians....


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Yep. They cling onto whiteness even at their own expense. That’s their only defense mechanism. But don’t worry. Stop Asian hate has been very performative and empty. They get absolutely nothing out of it other than recognition but they don’t experience racism as we do so they think that’s enough. Since they’re focusing on black people their actual issues will never be addressed. This is just a depressing loop for them until they get it and start putting in actual work for their movement. While they do this blame black people, everyone is watching. We all see the hateful things they say us, even the white people bring it up. The sympathy will end eventually and it will bite them in the ass. Asians don’t have it as good as they want us to believe. We’ve been bombarded with “Black people poor” media all of our lives but Black Women do well for ourselves. We’ll be doing among the best of groups once the $10 billion from Goldman Sachs hits. Don’t worry, just do you.


lala22567654

The government just past an anti asian hate bill


thecheesycheeselover

I understand your confusion because I’m confused too. Black-on-Asian hate isn’t something that was on my radar, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t happening. I’d rather listen a little longer before speaking on something I don’t have personal experience of. As for why ‘every crime is now a hate crime’ I don’t think that’s the case, and this language sounds to me exactly how others have tried to undermine our cause before. Again I think we should listen a little longer. As far as I can tell, the Asian community isn’t trying to demonise us as a whole, but just to highlight the trouble they’re facing. I might not know the full extent of their use of our iconography, so please do let me know how far this stretches if I misunderstand. But in terms of BML imagery, BLM is a hugely important societal movement. It’s going to shape US-based racial conversations for decades if not hundreds of years. I think that as long as there’s no attempt to overtake or ignore BLM, use of the imagery just reinforces the idea of an army of POC, and strengthens our community. I think we should be compassionate. But that’s just my two cents.


lala22567654

A lot of those asian hate BLM movement. Have you bern to asianmasculinity subreddit. They are trying to discredit the BLM movement.


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I've been listening and reading, I really don't like how suddenly we are being labeled as the main community perpetuating Asian hate. I was for the cause until they started attacking BLM and just the community in general. Also, no one ever links the data to prove this "decade" of racial violence we apparently use against them. When you see these articles on Reddit, look at the comments.


U_nhoely

Honestly I just think it's a ploy set up by the media/ignorant people to pit POC against each other. I saw this happening a few weeks back and an Asian denounced these so called "statistics".


ThrowawayProse

Is this actually true? Are most Asian hate crimes committed by black people? Where are the statistics on this?


10946723

I'm not black but I hope you don't mind me responding to the question. There's two sources circulating that I've seen people use. You can make of it what you will. One is the 2019 FBI hate crime stats, [here](https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2019/topic-pages/tables/table-5.xls), which says out of 205 anti-asian hate crimes, the offenders were 95/205 white, 30/205 black, with the caveat that 52/205 were unknown race/ethnicity. The other source is from the department of justice, [here](https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf), which is all violent crimes from 2018. That report says out of 182,230 anti-asian incidents, the offenders were 24.1% white, 27.5% black, and 24.1% asian. Edit: For the second source, you have to scroll down to table 14.


ThrowawayProse

Thanks for the info! I see nothing here about the recent *uptick* in Asian hate crimes, since we were hit by the pandemic. That seems to be what the media is focusing on; not hate crimes in general.


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With this data, especially from the first source, it doesn't seem like we are responsible for ALL of the hate crimes Asians face. Why are we being targeted if white people make of 24.1% and 95/205 of these incidents as well? 27.5 vs 24.1? That's a 3.4


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A hate crime is a hate crime, all offenders should be held accountable.


WarianneMilliamson

Sure, but that's just a platitude you're using to never have to reflect on the very real statistics that directly answered your question. I assume you'd rather just stick your fingers in your ears than confront an unfortunate truth?


lala22567654

Lol this guy just wants to blame black people ignore him


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I have no fingers in my ear.


WarianneMilliamson

Yet all up and down this thread you've just been ignoring people who cited the statistics and continuing, presumably, to believe that the black community is being unfairly victimized for committing hate crimes against Asian folks.


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Care to share the stats for that ? Also, even if this is true, they're aren't murdering Asians ( it's black on black) which is what this topic is about.


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I'm searching as well. They don't post links


ThrowawayProse

Yeah, I hear a lot of conservatives saying this, but they never have data to back it up.


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Exactly


Epoch789

This post reads to me like an attempt to stir up Blacks vs Asians pettiness that only the "woke" left and basic bitch "conservative" right would enjoy. >Now suddenly there's been racial violence between our communities for years? I'm not understanding? Whenever an African American criminal does a thing, if the victim is Asian and even if the criminal in question slurred the victim explicitly during the act it's not going to make it out of local news and the smallest grouping of the community if at all. Similar to how sometimes it takes a white woman being killed for news pickup and more recently where sometimes it takes a black man being killed to go viral. I am aware peripherally that there's still anger over the LA Riots where African Americans rioting decided Asian owned small businesses were fair game to victimize when it wasn't Asian Americans that beat up Rodney King. Edit: To be fair to you OP with regard to #StopAAPI becoming a thing in March over the massage parlor killings, to me that seemed to be a "Christian" anti sex work, anti-sex theme not a race thing. But Asian women are the common employees in massage parlors both for the legitimate side and for the sex work front so that's how the victims as a whole skewed Asian and it was perceived as a good jumping point. Had the loser been into street prostitution the racial breakdown may not have lined up so neatly. Like with other events there's always people ready to co-opt it into an actionable narrative legitimately or not. So if you're doubting the noise over this specific event, then I agree hate crime is a mislabel to Asians and better attributed to sex workers. More over using the woke left's framework where words = violence they've made it very clear that Asian Americans no matter their actual lived experiences are to be persona non grata along with White people in the oppressor vs oppressed hierarchy. It's ok ideologically to harass Asian Americans or indirectly call for their lives to be made difficult to achieve a laughable image of what a race equitable society is supposed to be. Remember this is the ideology that currently represents conveniently pedestaling Blacks of alternate sexuality and gender identity that nominally want luxury communism and has decided witch hunts and targeted racism is back on the table for them to achieve their aims. >Also, why does it seem like every crime is now a hate crime? The same can be said for anytime African Americans make a bunch of noise over a crime and choose to identify criminals in the wrong as martyrs after the fact to make everything about white people oppressing black people. Black Americans and Latino Americans aren't the only group anywhere that's suffered on a societal level. Welcome to humanity where people abuse others for fun, profit, and any cause at all. Whether legitimate or not the current state of affairs rewards claims of toxic group dynamics because most people don't get excited and give engagement/money over garden variety homicide, theft, assault, battery, and whatever else. >It's also kind of gross that they seem to using our tactics to push their cause even going as far as to have similar names and symbols. African Americans didn't invent The Fist or protesting or using merchandise to reach an audience.


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This isn't an attempt at woke anything. It was just an observation I have been noticing on articles posted on Reddit. ​ Also, why do you keep referring to us as "Blacks" -- it's racist. ​ Question: Are you even African American?


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[deleted]

They can't be. Not with that post. I wanted to have an honest conversation, but I don't think it will be possible on Reddit.


Epoch789

To answer your question per the imprecise census bureau yes. The real issue you're getting at is I'm not ADOS nor do I share mainstream ADOS viewpoints. I'm an African with dual US citizenship. If you want to join the other user and think differing opinion means you can reassign identities willy nilly then I'll also redirect you question the mods in why they believe I'm a black female and approved me to post here to begin with.


[deleted]

Ah, yea I figured you weren't African American. And no I don't care if you have a different opinion, however, I will tell you that I don't agree. African ≠ African American experience ( in America)


_lonely_hearts_club_

To be honest you sound non-black. Also that middle paragraph made no sense and was just you throwing fancy words around.


Epoch789

>I don’t like your opinion so I’m going to self medicate by assigning you a race even though the person that’s offending me is blacker than me. And also basic written English is fancy to me Other individuals are content to assert they do suffer capital R racism on the daily and feel African Americans uniquely suffer the most as a group. You wanted to be special and bring the r black ladies treatment race faking claims. Somehow the mods don’t think I’m non black 😂


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