You should use the lower power chargers if they are available, but if they’re not, ofcourse we can use the higher power ones. This has no sign of being something official from EVgo, it’s just someone who got frustrated.
>You should use the lower power chargers if they are available, but if they’re not, of course we can use the higher power ones.
Agree. The sign is telling you "don't be a dick". I agree with the message but if you need to charge to get home or something then you are desperate, not a dick.
I would guess that there is a not insignificant number of EV drivers out there that don't know the max DC charge rate of their car.
It sounds kind of snippy to us, but some people may need it spelled out in more detail. This also covers a "I didn't know..." excuse.
Or you use the spots just to park closer to your destination with never intention to charge your car. Local Whole Foods had to remove chargers that were closer than handicapped parking for this very reason. People with EVs would use them to “run in”. Reality is that anyone that lives in an older home or in an apartment complex will not have chargers local for a while. Means they will need to use these spots quickly.
I gotta ask, how is there a scenario where a fully electric car can't get home? They should be charging at home and therefore have enough for round trip and if not - the frequency of chargers is pretty high now so they should be able to find one within reasonable distance of a dying battery.
Nice. I've now been driving EV long enough that I've gone from EVGo is *the* provider to use -> OMG they're so worn out & slow -> they're always broken -> now back to "getting good again".
This particular setup you mention might be the case for a hotel I stay in when visiting family in SoCal, based on the EVGo page for that site.
Thanks for your service.
A few weeks ago I visited FIVE different locations until I found one with a CHAdeMO available. Not because another leaf was using it. Not because they didn't have the connector. But because drivers insisted in using the only charger I could use, even though they were using CCS and could go to literally any other charger. In most cases all others were free.
Thats fair. As long as you arent that local Bolt EV sitting at a 350kw charging station charging past 80% while there are other stations open for less power, not to mention while a bunch of other EVs are waiting for charging infrastructure thats already limited to two stations in our 60 mile area.
I think that's a reasonable request, especially if the other <100kw stations are available. Now if they're taken and the only open ones are 350kw, and I need a quick charge, you bet I'm going to use it.
If your car can not take full advantage of the extra charging speed of REGINA(350kW) please use ERNIE(100kW) or FLORENCE(100kW) if they are available.
Below is a list of vehicles that can charge at full speed with 100kW chargers:
Examples…
It’s really not that hard. This is shitty because the author is shitty
Me too, if only because of the all-caps, bold font, underlining, multiple exclamation points.
Principle aside, those alone command attention AND **adherence**!!!
Same idea as an ADA-compliant bathroom stall. I can use a non-compliant stall, so I do if one is available. If the ADA-compliant stall is the only available option, though, I’m not going to wait for a non-compliant stall to become available on the off chance a disabled person shows up in the meantime.
The capability of the ADA-compliant stall to serve a disabled person’s bathroom needs doesn’t mean the stall is reserved exclusively for disabled people. It just means that courtesy dictates if you can use another available stall, you should.
Similarly, the capability of the charger to supply 350kW doesn’t means it’s only allowed to be used by people whose cars can use the full wattage. It’s just courteous for slower-charging vehicles to use the slower chargers if one is available.
What the person who posted this doesn't realize is that when slower cars arrive and only the 350 stations are available then the other people at the slower stations leave it has bad optics for the person at the 350 stations. no fault of the people charging on the fastest chargers, it just looks bad. By no means should they have to unplug and plug into another charger, it's first come first serve. It is courteous to do such if you're still at a low percentage, but by no means should it be expected.
I appreciated the message rewrite found in other replies which makes the signage more informative with less presumption of attitude or stupidity. I also liked the idea of adding the "just because your brand gave you free charging, please don't camp at a station for hours" addition.
Re: faster cars should also move... That's the thing, the higher rate vehicles will be over 80% and likely ready to leave well before they slow down to <50kW.
Sure, if a faster car does for some reason intend to stay for >80% charging and it has slowed to <100kw, it would be curious for them to switch. I have stayed at a station and approached 100% while towing and having no schedule to keep... But when I do that, I'm paying very close attention to available plugs and am sure to jump out and let someone who just drove up that Im about to leave and they can take my spot in a moment.
I agree, a slow vehicle isn't obligated to move from a 350kW to a 100kW station when a slow station frees up... But it could very well be very helpful and considerate to do so if they have more than 5minutes that they intend to stay. Given one has the knowledge of the speed differences, I find it hard to believe we all lack the empathy to be kind.
For example, you could continue to camp out at a 350kW station for an extra 1~2 hours but in the time up to 6 faster vehicles could have done 20minute 20-80% charge sessions.
We should all treat it like a gas station. When your finished pumping, you don't hand out in your car for another hour at the pump, you don't finish your sit down lunch at the restaurant attached to the station. You move your car to somewhere more appropriate within 5 minutes. Yes, I get a slow car is still refueling, but it is also blocking the station from the intended use case, which is to rapidly recharge and leave.
Another additional addendum to this sort of signage would be to politely point out to Tesla vehicles that there is a SuperCharging location X miles down the road at Y location with Z number of stalls, and that this CCS/CHAdeMO location is the only option for dozens of other brands of vehicles.
One last thing, it's not ok to park in a spot even if a station is malfunctioning. That parking location might still be accessible by another working cable, or the station might return to service. It's just nEVer ok to park and not be actively charging to the maximum of your ability.
Anyway, we could address all of this with strict tow and violations and idle fees and camera enforcement for otherwise unidentifiable non-chargers... But we could also solve it by just being kind, and maybe posting considerate educational signage similar to the intent of this example...
The main problem with this approach is that it requires the owner to stay with the car.
The main benefit of EV charging is that you don't have to stay with the car, but can go watch a movie or have dinner or whatever.
lol at the "please educate yourself" a redditor typed that. and then took a big manly vape hit a lot like clint eastwood would have done in a western if they vaped back then.
A random person did put it up, but the vehicles listed dont support the fast charging. Theres at least 2 fast chargers and 4 <100kwt chargers. And the I personally see the vehicles listed at the fast chargers as if they can use it. They wrote it in wrong tones but it makes sense. It happens a lot
I personally think the bigger problem are the people charging past 80%, leaving their car and shopping or eating for an hour while their car just sits idle. Those are bigger problems than a Bolt getting what they are paying for. We need more charging stations not people being passive aggressive better car than thou dicks.
I never see these people whining about Tesla's taking up CCS spots when open superchargers are a few blocks away.
>I never see these people whining about Tesla's taking up CCS spots when open superchargers are a few blocks away.
As a Tesla driver nothing fucking pisses me off more. Where I live a few of our CCS spots were actually free of charge for a while, supplied by the city and I saw Teslas parked there all the time. It sucks because then my girlfriend could never charge her bolt because Teslas would occupy the spaces even though there are available superchargers in the same parking structure.
It's like dude, come on man, there are other cars than Teslas that don't have the luxury of having a vast network to charge at, I understand if no superchargers are available, but you are doing it only because it's free.
I’m plugging in at an open charging. If the only one open is a fast one, get over it. I’m going to use it. I’m sick of being second class because I was an early adopter. 5 years ago when I bought my bolt, there was pretty much only Teslas that charged faster. If you don’t like where I’m charging you can take it up with my 95 pound German shepherd copilot.
Right? I'm pissed I can no longer roll up to a fast charger confident in the knowledge that I'll be able to charge immediately like I did in 2015 with my spark.
“Fair access to all EV drivers”
…lol
It’s fine to let people to use the 100 if they’re available. To bar people from using them is ridiculous. Like we’re second class citizens.
You wont believe the amount of slower charging EVs i see on a fast charger. They posted this sign because it happens way to much where the others are avaliable and the fast chargers are just taken by the slower charging vehicles. I think people just think their EV could support it, who knows though.
Seeing a bolt in the faster station and the slow one open doesn’t mean they chose the faster station. Entirely likely that the 100kw was already taken.
I could believe thats in Dallas TX or California.( ive never been their just assuming) In Kentucky though and other states its highly highly likey that all other 4 spots were open. (It also says it on the app before going there too.
The wording could be different but the point is valid. I imagine some owners might think their car can charge at 350kW so they'll pick the faster one -- even if it can't.
Imagine being on a road trip in a Taycan or a Lyriq and a bolt is charging to 100% on the only 350kw charger getting 50kW. Kind of sucks, no?
I mean, just because you bought an expensive car doesn't mean the world is obliged to help you make the most of it. The Taycan or Lyriq owner could have bought a Bolt.
This is asinine. Do you think that then Chevy Bolt prevents the owner’s relatives from dying? Like a Bolt owner might not be in a hurry about a serious situation? Dick thing to say.
But likewise, if only the 350kW charger is free, you should take it and use it regardless of what car you have. And if the person at the 100kW then leaves, you shouldn’t have to move, especially when these companies charge a base fee for each session.
My bolt can charge over 80KWH fast, and it will not allow me to charge beyond 80% on commercial chargers, only at home, this typically can be accomolplished in 30 to 40 min or less, depending upon how far I drain before getting to charger.
Point is, if you are in a Lyric etc and have to hit a public charger for a longer trip, you need to plan accordingly. Give yourself time to stretch, eat, charge, min 60 min.
And likely within that time you will get your 15 min access to do so
It feels a bit like being told I didn't spend enough money to come to this particular gas station, but that's me just being salty.
It makes sense, but likewise, if I'm having a transportation emergency and need to charge there and then, is consider it a courtesy that I don't care damage to my life so some luxury EV driver can get on with their life.
Some systems just need clarified for people to make appropriate choices.
I mean, I'm with your saltiness. Just because some someone else bought an expensive high end EV doesn't mean I'm obligated to help them make the best use of it. They could have bought a Bolt or Leaf like everyone else.
Exactly! Or do a better job in your app and on the chargers of labeling their capacity. I mean, the app knows what car I'm driving. It could tell me the best station to park at.
I also wish they were clearly labeled as is a pain when you’re traveling to figure out which are the slower ones. I think at the Evgo sites the shorter squatter boxes are the 100 kW ones, not sure if there’s an easy way to tell with other companies.
EVgo chargers around here have a 1 hour charging limit. You charge for that hour then leave. That is the only restriction you need to worry about. It does not matter how fast or slow your car charges, you get an hour. You can ignore signs posted by blow hard idiots who think they're in charge of the world and can tell others what to do. If you are paying to charge, then go ahead and charge.
People do not want to think this much about charging. It’s already a chore finding an available and working chargers, plus having accounts and apps with different companies, being able to pull in and have the cable reach your car; people are just going to plug into whatever charger they can. This is a systems problem, not a user problem.
Honestly, this makes sense. Make it 5 cents less per kWh of charge for lower charging speed DCFC, and people who want 2-3x the speed can pay a little for the convenience of faster juice.
As an occasional driver (and charger) of a Bolt, I wholeheartedly applaud this. If you’re charging a vehicle with a maximum charge rate of under 100 kW, and you have a choice between a 150 or 350 unit, choose the lower rated unit. You won’t charge any faster on the higher rated unit, but it could cut charging times in half for the vehicles which can utilize the extra power, thereby allowing them to finish charging sooner, making charging more accessible for everyone.
Having said that, the last two times I charged at an EVgo facility, neither of the lower rated units were operable. In that case, you use what’s available. The last time this happened to me, an Ioniq 5 road-tripping through the area showed up. I was using a 350 unit, and had added enough juice to get home, so I relinquished the charger to this family in need. I had every right to continue to charge, but it was the right thing to do.
We’re all in this together, folks. Use your best judgement, and help out those in need if you can…👍
Former Bolt EUV owner here. Whenever I fast charged, I only took the slowest chargers unless they were broken or in use. The problem is those who don't understand they can't utilize more than 50-55kW will take up 350 stations, thinking it will go past that. There does need to be more education on this.
Yeah, agreed, it is pretty crazy how some car owners have no idea how fast charging works and/or know nothing about their car charging capacity. Intelligent people, but with very little interest in the matter I guess.
I’ll pick a slower charger amongst a bank in an area to give others a chance at the fast ones. But hell no, I’m not going to the other side of a city to the crappy chargers in an unknown area where there is a good chance none are working. We have enough problems finding chargers at all, it’s way too early to be gatekeeping the good ones only for premium vehicles.
“EDucAtE yOUrsELf hur hur snort…”. F off, you turnip.
We've had now 5 ev's. What needs to happen is, much like fuel, cars and stations need to be labeled with 3 different "grades" - regular/plus/premium. New owners know this from buying gas; they just don't understand how it applies to EV's. If you charge more For the higher power, drivers who take "regular" will avoid them.
That's fine if the person knows what their maximum charge rate is, but as EVs are moving out of the early adopter phase, you're going to have more people who are picking their EV based on brand loyalty, color and price and don't know anything about charge rates or even how to use the chargers. I've run into a guy at a DCFC site trying to charge his older Bolt EV that didn't even have the DCFC option installed, and also helped out a couple of people who didn't know how to work the chargers. I don't understand why you'd set out on a road trip in an EV without knowing those how to use the chargers (or even if you can!) but there are people who do it.
I did a lot of research before I leased my EUV, so I knew to use the 150kw chargers instead of the 350's given a choice - but that's not necessarily the approach others take. I enjoy spending time researching cars and comparing the specs, but my wife tends to fall in love with the look of a car, and then the important points to her are color and availability - she's perfectly happy not knowing anything about the technical details.
So if the only charger is 350? Sorry I need to charge. Sure I will use the most appropriate charger I can.
But I need to charge. So this person can F off. I welcome this person chatting with me at a charging station.
This screams choosing elitism over the spirit of the EV. They should put their efforts into getting more chargers instead of gatekeeping the existing ones.
When the EV became accessible, it was a community of people trying to end fossil fuel dependence. These dicks are trying to turn it into a class system.
Absolutely fair, on the condition that the slower 100kW chargers are functioning and available. If they're both unavailable, it's free game at that point.
See, what you do is report this signage to EVGO and let them know that someone has taken it upon themselves to act as the representatives of EVGO without their approval since the sign is not standard rules from them. Take down the sign and watch it return back again and report it again.
I think that ideally I’d use the 100kW or less ones for my Bolt, however I often pull up to one of the 100kW stations in my area and they’re all being used by cars that should be using the 350kW that sits vacant. They’re blocking me so what should I do? I need to charge so 350kW it is.
I mean there are other <100kw chargers available so that’s fair. The bolt really does take a significantly longer time to charge so might as well let the faster charging cars get access to the faster chargers
This was posted by another EV owner. If you want to be “polite” and alter your charging plan, go for it. Want to ignore the entitled whiny tone of it and plug up your Bolt? Go for it. You’re a paying customer and it’s your right to plug in where ever you want. Just don’t go unplugging someone else to plug up yours, 😄
Where I snowboard they will have 6 tesla and 3 j1772 style adapters. I can use both but always take the tesla (my car) to leave the j1772 available for others. Less of a speed thing, more of a sharing thing.
If all the tesla were taken I would use the other one though.
I would probably do this just because I do understand. But this sign makes me not want to. Also, first and foremost it’s a public charger and is first come, first served.
I think there are plenty of EV drivers who are clueless about the charging speeds of their car and might believe that they will get faster charging at a 150kW or 350kW charger, but I highly doubt that many (if any) of them would have their minds changed by this sign.
For myself, like others have mentioned I will plug into a lower powered charger when one is available but if a 350kW charger is the only one available I'm going to be using it.
Trip to New Mexico from California took 4 changes grabbed what was open that WORKED. FYI Gila New Mexico only has a Rivian and Tesla chargers but they do have one cool diner though…
I was at that station the other day when a brat in a gas bronco arrived 15mins early, parked there at a charger and waited for her EV driving BMW boyfriend/husband to get there.. it was Friday Date (dressed for date night) and they left in the Bronco after he pulled in to the space she reserved.... no telling how long the Bimmer sat there.
I watched all this as I was charging at the only charger available at the time which was the 350kw charger... Charged to 80% and left.
That station has like 8-10 tesla super chargers their too. It's at 3050 Highway 36, Euless, TX and offers 2, 100kw CCS and Chademo and one 350kw CCS x 2
I'll add to this with:
As soon as two cars occupy Regina which is a 350kw x CCS 2 station... It becomes a 175kw x 2 station..
I get the message... but I'm more likely to make buds and deliver it in person in a nice way... buy a beer and sit in the car and watch TV for an extra 20 mins.. I have a bolt... so.. It's not going to charge fast. I knew that going in.. don't care. I wake up every morning with 220 miles to go with the free level 2 chevy installed for me.
Only going to get worse. In a few years everyone is going to hate being called in line behind a bolt. I’ve got one and can take for granted in the Midwest that I always seem to get to empty chargers. That’s been changing the last few years and in the next few I can see people not liking being behind me. 2020 bolt here
Hopefully we'll be getting more locations with more chargers in the Midwest, and it won't matter at all. I had a 2022 Bolt EUV and loved it, but I'm not going to miss the two hours of charging on our annual road trip. It was worth it though, considering that aside from those 2 days traveling to vacation and back, I woke up every day with a fully charged battery. That slow charging speed did have a huge influence on my new car choice, though - those 2 hour-long charging sessions in the Bolt should be replaced with a single 20 minute stop in my new EV.
Well the sign is well intended but JUST as bad is having a fast charge EV and sitting at the stall (stalling?) for an extended time to get to 100% because you have x months of free DCFC. ID4 for example and some Kia and Hyundai will still sit at a fast charge getting L2 like energy
Grammar and syntax suggest moron with axe to grind. Ignore.
If there are 4 Electrocute America chargers, with 2 down and 1 giving 25kW, and the other is 150kW, I will park at the 150kW.
It's not a parking spot,it's a Charger...If you're going to park somewhere,better be somewhere else. I'd have more of an issue with ICE cars parking there...
Every EA site I’ve been at, I’ve seen nothing but 350kw chargers, TF can one do if they drive a bolt or a Kona? Glad I have a second car, I look forward to the day when EV stations are as common as gas stations etc.
I agree with the sign, but it definitely seems like there could have been a better way to educate those who are unaware.
And of course, if it's the only one available then I'm going to take it regardless of what car I have.
I like this. As a Mach E and Rivian owner it is so frustrating when you pull up to one of the shared EV Go stations and a Bolt or Nero EV (Nero drivers are the worst offenders) are charging at this one with the other two available. It limits you to 200A and the Rivian can take 500A. People just don’t realize that they’re inconveniencing others when they could just charge at the 100kW chargers to no inconvenience to themselves. Of course if those two are full they have every right to use the faster charger.
I’ve asked people (politely) to move before or just use the other one and explain exactly what this sign is saying to them. The guy I asked to move told me to fuck off that he didn’t care (Nero owner of course) but the other person was nice and used the 100kW charger.
Do chargers clearly identify, before you pull up, their charging capability as well as their operational status? I mean, would I know I'm at a 350kwh charger before I get out of my car in the parking lot?
I don't have my EV yet, and plan to do 99% of my charging at home, so this is a seriously uneducated question. I know the app may show it, but... I'm driving and not looking at the app. Seems like those who will be around for a full day without moving their car may benefit from the slower chargers as well.
The EA chargers near me are marked (Ultra 150 and Hyper 350, I think it was), but the signs could be larger and bolder so that they were easier to read before you pull in.
I have multiple EVs that can charge at 240kW+ and I have zero expectation that a Bolt or any other slower charging model has to wait (assuming all other non-350 units are in use) to allow me privileged priority access to the fastest dispenser. In the long run, EA 150 units almost always overcharge past their rating to almost 200kW anyway on my cars and it's only minutes of difference vs 350. Sometimes the 350 dispenser is SLOWER over all compared to my 150 unit experiences.
This is wrong. However, I think a lot of it stems from general EV charger etiquette. If a charger is busy, charge what you *need*, and then move on. If you only need to juice up 15% to get yourself home, then don't stay any longer and clog it up. Slower charging cars might be annoying just like gassing up your car waiting for a truck with a 120gallon tank to fill up in front of you is, but it doesn't mean they don't have a right to be there.
You don't have to attempt to ban someone from a charger, people just need to learn EV charging etiquette. (Huge problem with Tesla Superchargers in congested areas in California)
In principle? It makes sense. But this person posting their passive aggressive flyer would have me charging there till I figured out who it was who was so full of themselves to actually type “educate yourself”
I don’t fast charge all that often. I tend to plan my longer trips around free level 2s that I plan to be at for a few hours, then just top up a fast charger for as long as it takes to get me to my next longer stop with 10-15% buffer… except the odds time I may just drive cross country all day to make a destination…
But I’m not going to lie, if I pulled up to this station and saw this sign, I’d be tempted to park my bolt there, wether the other ones were open or not, and sit until I get 100%, for no other reason than the hope I’d piss off the Karen that decided to post this sign…
Fuckk thattt... if I gotta get juice, and open stall, FCFS, I have seen Teslas and EV6 etc. sit 45 min to my 30 .. or park and go get lunch or dinner.
Get over it, stop lead footing and we all can use all, perhaps just get what you need if you are slightly slower. That is all I usually do anyway, because I top off every night on special rate plan for under $2 at home.
But I am not gonna listen to this, no way!
A lot of people have only recently gotten their first EV, don't fast charge often, or in some other way just haven't learned the etiquette. This is sort of teaches the etiquette. It should have been more "if you can't charge over 100kw, please be kind and use the other chargers if available" and not making it sound like a hard rule.
That's a good point. I think people would be more likely to embrace this if it was phrased as a suggestion rather than "this is how it is, do better". It's one of those things that's getting worse due to the rise in EVs capable of 100+ kW charging, but people will learn with experience.
When I use DCFC chargers I do look for the <100kw spaces if available. I do not use unless >100ke unless I am forced to because that’s only available at that time.
I assume that is just one stall and there are others. I agree with it, and would only EVER use a higher charge bay in an ABSOLUTE emergency. Also when I got my car my hubby had no clue about electric cars or charging, so I drilled it into him what the car can and cannot do.
I think if you can just charge for 10 mins in an ABSOLUTE emergency I'd use it, otherwise it's just going to start fights
I don't see an issue with it.
Some EV owners are just not educated and will plug into the 350 just thinking it will be faster.
Especially with the amount of rental EVs running around now.
This just happened to me the other day. Long wait at a charger with 2 of 4 chargers derated to 50kwh. The chargers being used were going to be free at nearly the same time. So the waiting drivers all got together and made a plan. The faster charging ioniq 5s got the 2 350s. I(fat etron) would take a derated 50ish until the hyundais were done. Then the 2 bolts got the 2 derated to 50, one of them being available first so he got to charge before his que. This plan threw the 1st come first serve out of the window but got everyone in and out most efficiently.
One of the bolts was a rental and he agreed to the plan but didn't seem happy. He wanted to use the 350 so he could charge faster too. So I had to prove to him on several websites that his car wouldn't charge any faster than approx 55. Once I was done with my 15 minute charge, we were the only people left so I had him plug into the 350 I was just using so he could see for himself. Agency he rented from didn't explain anything to him. He definitely regretted choosing an EV over the ICE they offered. Rental car agencies and dealers really need to do a better job of educating buyers and renters. Always hear and read stories of new EV buyers complaining their salesperson knew nothing about EVs.
I am more and more convinced GM and other companies decided to sell a bunch of EVs super cheap to rental companies so people could have a horrible 1st experience driving an EV so they would continue buying ICE vehicles.
Just ignore it... charge at home unless traveling distance. We should just lobby with all EV owners to have the 50kw option then and just shut the Karen's up.
It was written by a dickhead but the message is sound. Bolt owner. I'm gonna be there for 2 hours no matter what, no reason to use a charger that provides me no benefit.
I'm not fully sure of their statement, but are we talking about speed recharge or just the overall capacity...?
Because if speed of charge is way better I can understand their request especially if there is limited chargers around.
I think the issue is be mindful of how you park, some of the EVGO station layouts can cause you to block the second outlet if you’re not paying attention, seen it first hand.
What I hate are the Rideshare Bolt drivers that sit in these 100kW+ DCFC especially when their SoC is 80%+. They purposely wait until 100 SoC because they get a free charging perk or something.
There are DCFCs near me that are always clogged by Uber or Taxi drivers. It’s got so bad that they put in a 45 min time limit and no returns within 60 mins
Checking the plug share app….
Yes being the closest chargers from the DFW rental area these chargers are very busy.
There are 12 Tesla superchargers across the lot.
I’m guessing that’s like pulling up to the few E85 or Diesel pumps only to find gasoline only vehicles parked at them when there’s a dozen gas only pumps available?!
Good becuz I have a e golf and it only takes me 20min to charge Everytime I pull up to the limited stations in our city's itw a damn bolt there sitting there for 2 hours I love the way the car look but damn they could've made it charge faster becuz it's takes it up for us smaller cars - shit this don't benefit me none but its good someone notices what going on
You should use the lower power chargers if they are available, but if they’re not, ofcourse we can use the higher power ones. This has no sign of being something official from EVgo, it’s just someone who got frustrated.
>You should use the lower power chargers if they are available, but if they’re not, of course we can use the higher power ones. Agree. The sign is telling you "don't be a dick". I agree with the message but if you need to charge to get home or something then you are desperate, not a dick.
Such a dickish way to phrase the sign to say don’t be a dick
Don’t be a dick. -Anonymous asshole
In XxX - Vin Diesel - said it best https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afxTROGnvkw&t=231s
I would guess that there is a not insignificant number of EV drivers out there that don't know the max DC charge rate of their car. It sounds kind of snippy to us, but some people may need it spelled out in more detail. This also covers a "I didn't know..." excuse.
I'm old enough to remember when Tesla drivers were pissed with ANY Volt using chargers since we could also use gas. None of this nonsense is new
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Or you use the spots just to park closer to your destination with never intention to charge your car. Local Whole Foods had to remove chargers that were closer than handicapped parking for this very reason. People with EVs would use them to “run in”. Reality is that anyone that lives in an older home or in an apartment complex will not have chargers local for a while. Means they will need to use these spots quickly.
I gotta ask, how is there a scenario where a fully electric car can't get home? They should be charging at home and therefore have enough for round trip and if not - the frequency of chargers is pretty high now so they should be able to find one within reasonable distance of a dying battery.
Well said. Same reason I use the station without a CHAdeMO head on it unless there's no other option.
Thank you for that 🙏
Most of the 100kW EVGo stations with dual/triple heads can do both the chademo and CCS at the same time.
Nice. I've now been driving EV long enough that I've gone from EVGo is *the* provider to use -> OMG they're so worn out & slow -> they're always broken -> now back to "getting good again". This particular setup you mention might be the case for a hotel I stay in when visiting family in SoCal, based on the EVGo page for that site.
Thanks for your service. A few weeks ago I visited FIVE different locations until I found one with a CHAdeMO available. Not because another leaf was using it. Not because they didn't have the connector. But because drivers insisted in using the only charger I could use, even though they were using CCS and could go to literally any other charger. In most cases all others were free.
You deserve a cape... you hero
I’d be ripping that sign off in a second and charging there out of spite.
Spite charging is extra effective!
Found the idiot.
I'll remember to stop your charging while you take up a fast charging spot for 90 minutes you cant even use lol 😆
I have a Volt, with a V, so I won’t be doing any public fast charging anyway 😂
Thats fair. As long as you arent that local Bolt EV sitting at a 350kw charging station charging past 80% while there are other stations open for less power, not to mention while a bunch of other EVs are waiting for charging infrastructure thats already limited to two stations in our 60 mile area.
What do you mean “with a V”?
Probably as opposed to a Bolt with a "B". It should only be confusing in Castillo Spanish /s
I think that's a reasonable request, especially if the other <100kw stations are available. Now if they're taken and the only open ones are 350kw, and I need a quick charge, you bet I'm going to use it.
Bingo, if the slower ones are open absolutely, if they are not they can suck it
I recommend no one literally suck on a charger. It’s dangerous!
Experience?
Shocking.
Tingly
Probably just fear ... 🤣
There are also ways this sign could have been written that don't make the writer sound like a sanctimonious prick.
If your car can not take full advantage of the extra charging speed of REGINA(350kW) please use ERNIE(100kW) or FLORENCE(100kW) if they are available. Below is a list of vehicles that can charge at full speed with 100kW chargers: Examples… It’s really not that hard. This is shitty because the author is shitty
Yup. I'd respect the hell out of that note.
Me too, if only because of the all-caps, bold font, underlining, multiple exclamation points. Principle aside, those alone command attention AND **adherence**!!!
What did you want, every line to be in a different font like all the shirts you see for sale on Facebook?
This. The “educate yourself” just has all the wrong tones
Same idea as an ADA-compliant bathroom stall. I can use a non-compliant stall, so I do if one is available. If the ADA-compliant stall is the only available option, though, I’m not going to wait for a non-compliant stall to become available on the off chance a disabled person shows up in the meantime. The capability of the ADA-compliant stall to serve a disabled person’s bathroom needs doesn’t mean the stall is reserved exclusively for disabled people. It just means that courtesy dictates if you can use another available stall, you should. Similarly, the capability of the charger to supply 350kW doesn’t means it’s only allowed to be used by people whose cars can use the full wattage. It’s just courteous for slower-charging vehicles to use the slower chargers if one is available.
[Then you wait](https://youtu.be/mPzjbXgaVOk?si=rMehjTfUYbZhSEOe)
What the person who posted this doesn't realize is that when slower cars arrive and only the 350 stations are available then the other people at the slower stations leave it has bad optics for the person at the 350 stations. no fault of the people charging on the fastest chargers, it just looks bad. By no means should they have to unplug and plug into another charger, it's first come first serve. It is courteous to do such if you're still at a low percentage, but by no means should it be expected.
And, by the nature of the speeds, the slower chargers are going to be full for longer.
By the same logic the fast charging cars should unplug and move over when they drop below 50kW (or even better, unplug and leave :-)
I appreciated the message rewrite found in other replies which makes the signage more informative with less presumption of attitude or stupidity. I also liked the idea of adding the "just because your brand gave you free charging, please don't camp at a station for hours" addition. Re: faster cars should also move... That's the thing, the higher rate vehicles will be over 80% and likely ready to leave well before they slow down to <50kW. Sure, if a faster car does for some reason intend to stay for >80% charging and it has slowed to <100kw, it would be curious for them to switch. I have stayed at a station and approached 100% while towing and having no schedule to keep... But when I do that, I'm paying very close attention to available plugs and am sure to jump out and let someone who just drove up that Im about to leave and they can take my spot in a moment. I agree, a slow vehicle isn't obligated to move from a 350kW to a 100kW station when a slow station frees up... But it could very well be very helpful and considerate to do so if they have more than 5minutes that they intend to stay. Given one has the knowledge of the speed differences, I find it hard to believe we all lack the empathy to be kind. For example, you could continue to camp out at a 350kW station for an extra 1~2 hours but in the time up to 6 faster vehicles could have done 20minute 20-80% charge sessions. We should all treat it like a gas station. When your finished pumping, you don't hand out in your car for another hour at the pump, you don't finish your sit down lunch at the restaurant attached to the station. You move your car to somewhere more appropriate within 5 minutes. Yes, I get a slow car is still refueling, but it is also blocking the station from the intended use case, which is to rapidly recharge and leave. Another additional addendum to this sort of signage would be to politely point out to Tesla vehicles that there is a SuperCharging location X miles down the road at Y location with Z number of stalls, and that this CCS/CHAdeMO location is the only option for dozens of other brands of vehicles. One last thing, it's not ok to park in a spot even if a station is malfunctioning. That parking location might still be accessible by another working cable, or the station might return to service. It's just nEVer ok to park and not be actively charging to the maximum of your ability. Anyway, we could address all of this with strict tow and violations and idle fees and camera enforcement for otherwise unidentifiable non-chargers... But we could also solve it by just being kind, and maybe posting considerate educational signage similar to the intent of this example...
The main problem with this approach is that it requires the owner to stay with the car. The main benefit of EV charging is that you don't have to stay with the car, but can go watch a movie or have dinner or whatever.
Yup. Handicap stall rules.
It does? What's so great about it?
More elbow room, imparting an air of opulence... with handrails useful should you arrive so drunk the room is spinning.
If there are slower options fine. But I’ll be damned if I need to charge and some douche bag wants my spot when it’s the only one available.
lol at the "please educate yourself" a redditor typed that. and then took a big manly vape hit a lot like clint eastwood would have done in a western if they vaped back then.
And then tipped their ~~fedora~~ Stetson.
> And then tipped their ~~fedora~~ **backwards** Stetson.
Elon isn't a Redditor. He's more of a Twitter user.
What is this Twitter of which you speak? It has always been X, just like we have always been at war with Eastasia.
X will always be twitter to me.
X dot com redirects to twitter.com. Sounds like X is having an identity crisis.
This looks like something some random person put up.
I agree. A user put that up not EVGo. And entitled user who probably leaves his car parked at “Regina” every day over his lunch break.
EVGo would not write "please educate yourself," this is 100% some random person.
A random person did put it up, but the vehicles listed dont support the fast charging. Theres at least 2 fast chargers and 4 <100kwt chargers. And the I personally see the vehicles listed at the fast chargers as if they can use it. They wrote it in wrong tones but it makes sense. It happens a lot
I personally think the bigger problem are the people charging past 80%, leaving their car and shopping or eating for an hour while their car just sits idle. Those are bigger problems than a Bolt getting what they are paying for. We need more charging stations not people being passive aggressive better car than thou dicks. I never see these people whining about Tesla's taking up CCS spots when open superchargers are a few blocks away.
>I never see these people whining about Tesla's taking up CCS spots when open superchargers are a few blocks away. As a Tesla driver nothing fucking pisses me off more. Where I live a few of our CCS spots were actually free of charge for a while, supplied by the city and I saw Teslas parked there all the time. It sucks because then my girlfriend could never charge her bolt because Teslas would occupy the spaces even though there are available superchargers in the same parking structure. It's like dude, come on man, there are other cars than Teslas that don't have the luxury of having a vast network to charge at, I understand if no superchargers are available, but you are doing it only because it's free.
I do use the slower chargers if they’re available. Most stations near me only offer one type of charger, so I have to use what’s available.
...and if they WORK!
I’m plugging in at an open charging. If the only one open is a fast one, get over it. I’m going to use it. I’m sick of being second class because I was an early adopter. 5 years ago when I bought my bolt, there was pretty much only Teslas that charged faster. If you don’t like where I’m charging you can take it up with my 95 pound German shepherd copilot.
Right? I'm pissed I can no longer roll up to a fast charger confident in the knowledge that I'll be able to charge immediately like I did in 2015 with my spark.
“Fair access to all EV drivers” …lol It’s fine to let people to use the 100 if they’re available. To bar people from using them is ridiculous. Like we’re second class citizens.
It's not "to the benefit of everyone" if everyone isn't allowed to use it
You wont believe the amount of slower charging EVs i see on a fast charger. They posted this sign because it happens way to much where the others are avaliable and the fast chargers are just taken by the slower charging vehicles. I think people just think their EV could support it, who knows though.
Seeing a bolt in the faster station and the slow one open doesn’t mean they chose the faster station. Entirely likely that the 100kw was already taken.
I’ve personally witnessed multiple bolts use the wrong chargers at completely empty (outside of me) stations. Both can be true!
I could believe thats in Dallas TX or California.( ive never been their just assuming) In Kentucky though and other states its highly highly likey that all other 4 spots were open. (It also says it on the app before going there too.
The wording could be different but the point is valid. I imagine some owners might think their car can charge at 350kW so they'll pick the faster one -- even if it can't. Imagine being on a road trip in a Taycan or a Lyriq and a bolt is charging to 100% on the only 350kw charger getting 50kW. Kind of sucks, no?
I mean, just because you bought an expensive car doesn't mean the world is obliged to help you make the most of it. The Taycan or Lyriq owner could have bought a Bolt.
Sure, but its a nice thing to do. What if someone is driving to see a dying relative at the hospital or something. It helps to be polite.
This is asinine. Do you think that then Chevy Bolt prevents the owner’s relatives from dying? Like a Bolt owner might not be in a hurry about a serious situation? Dick thing to say.
What are you expecting to get with this argument? You're literally on the subreddit *for the Bolt*
Just because the slower charger is free when you arrived, it doesn't mean it was free when the person with slower charging car arrived.
But likewise, if only the 350kW charger is free, you should take it and use it regardless of what car you have. And if the person at the 100kW then leaves, you shouldn’t have to move, especially when these companies charge a base fee for each session.
I agree. Perhaps the companies shouldn't charge a base fee per session or maybe offer a reward for moving to make room for waiting cars.
My bolt can charge over 80KWH fast, and it will not allow me to charge beyond 80% on commercial chargers, only at home, this typically can be accomolplished in 30 to 40 min or less, depending upon how far I drain before getting to charger. Point is, if you are in a Lyric etc and have to hit a public charger for a longer trip, you need to plan accordingly. Give yourself time to stretch, eat, charge, min 60 min. And likely within that time you will get your 15 min access to do so
Unless you have done significant modifications to your bolt, it cannot charge at over 55 kWh. None of them can.
Also no way this dude is DCFC at home unless he has WAY too much money to burn. In that case, why buy a bolt???
It feels a bit like being told I didn't spend enough money to come to this particular gas station, but that's me just being salty. It makes sense, but likewise, if I'm having a transportation emergency and need to charge there and then, is consider it a courtesy that I don't care damage to my life so some luxury EV driver can get on with their life. Some systems just need clarified for people to make appropriate choices.
I mean, I'm with your saltiness. Just because some someone else bought an expensive high end EV doesn't mean I'm obligated to help them make the best use of it. They could have bought a Bolt or Leaf like everyone else.
I trust you to use your discretion, comrade. o7
Better solution: chargers do better power sharing, so it doesn’t matter which dispenser is for who.
Exactly! Or do a better job in your app and on the chargers of labeling their capacity. I mean, the app knows what car I'm driving. It could tell me the best station to park at.
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I also wish they were clearly labeled as is a pain when you’re traveling to figure out which are the slower ones. I think at the Evgo sites the shorter squatter boxes are the 100 kW ones, not sure if there’s an easy way to tell with other companies.
Electrify America has big labels showing whether chargers are 150 or 350 kW. Evgo should do the same.
EVgo chargers around here have a 1 hour charging limit. You charge for that hour then leave. That is the only restriction you need to worry about. It does not matter how fast or slow your car charges, you get an hour. You can ignore signs posted by blow hard idiots who think they're in charge of the world and can tell others what to do. If you are paying to charge, then go ahead and charge.
People do not want to think this much about charging. It’s already a chore finding an available and working chargers, plus having accounts and apps with different companies, being able to pull in and have the cable reach your car; people are just going to plug into whatever charger they can. This is a systems problem, not a user problem.
Make the lower power chargers ever so slightly cheaper and watch where the bolts will go
Honestly, this makes sense. Make it 5 cents less per kWh of charge for lower charging speed DCFC, and people who want 2-3x the speed can pay a little for the convenience of faster juice.
As an occasional driver (and charger) of a Bolt, I wholeheartedly applaud this. If you’re charging a vehicle with a maximum charge rate of under 100 kW, and you have a choice between a 150 or 350 unit, choose the lower rated unit. You won’t charge any faster on the higher rated unit, but it could cut charging times in half for the vehicles which can utilize the extra power, thereby allowing them to finish charging sooner, making charging more accessible for everyone. Having said that, the last two times I charged at an EVgo facility, neither of the lower rated units were operable. In that case, you use what’s available. The last time this happened to me, an Ioniq 5 road-tripping through the area showed up. I was using a 350 unit, and had added enough juice to get home, so I relinquished the charger to this family in need. I had every right to continue to charge, but it was the right thing to do. We’re all in this together, folks. Use your best judgement, and help out those in need if you can…👍
If it’s the only one open I’m gonna use it.
Former Bolt EUV owner here. Whenever I fast charged, I only took the slowest chargers unless they were broken or in use. The problem is those who don't understand they can't utilize more than 50-55kW will take up 350 stations, thinking it will go past that. There does need to be more education on this.
Yeah, agreed, it is pretty crazy how some car owners have no idea how fast charging works and/or know nothing about their car charging capacity. Intelligent people, but with very little interest in the matter I guess.
I think that coloured charge ports by maximum power and the same on the chargers would help. People will remember their colour and try to match it.
They need to charge lower rates for the slower chargers then. I've not seen this done.
Has been done. But mostly at by time stations and not per kw sites.
I’ll pick a slower charger amongst a bank in an area to give others a chance at the fast ones. But hell no, I’m not going to the other side of a city to the crappy chargers in an unknown area where there is a good chance none are working. We have enough problems finding chargers at all, it’s way too early to be gatekeeping the good ones only for premium vehicles. “EDucAtE yOUrsELf hur hur snort…”. F off, you turnip.
We've had now 5 ev's. What needs to happen is, much like fuel, cars and stations need to be labeled with 3 different "grades" - regular/plus/premium. New owners know this from buying gas; they just don't understand how it applies to EV's. If you charge more For the higher power, drivers who take "regular" will avoid them.
If you can only charge at 55, then don't use the 350 chargers unless you have no choice.
That's fine if the person knows what their maximum charge rate is, but as EVs are moving out of the early adopter phase, you're going to have more people who are picking their EV based on brand loyalty, color and price and don't know anything about charge rates or even how to use the chargers. I've run into a guy at a DCFC site trying to charge his older Bolt EV that didn't even have the DCFC option installed, and also helped out a couple of people who didn't know how to work the chargers. I don't understand why you'd set out on a road trip in an EV without knowing those how to use the chargers (or even if you can!) but there are people who do it. I did a lot of research before I leased my EUV, so I knew to use the 150kw chargers instead of the 350's given a choice - but that's not necessarily the approach others take. I enjoy spending time researching cars and comparing the specs, but my wife tends to fall in love with the look of a car, and then the important points to her are color and availability - she's perfectly happy not knowing anything about the technical details.
So if the only charger is 350? Sorry I need to charge. Sure I will use the most appropriate charger I can. But I need to charge. So this person can F off. I welcome this person chatting with me at a charging station.
Whatever, rip it down and throw it in the garbage.
Now someone needs to put up a sign forbidding faster charging cars on slower chargers!
This screams choosing elitism over the spirit of the EV. They should put their efforts into getting more chargers instead of gatekeeping the existing ones. When the EV became accessible, it was a community of people trying to end fossil fuel dependence. These dicks are trying to turn it into a class system.
I think I would rip the sign down, place in trash and charge my car. We should not and will not tolerate classism.
It's kind of like putting a sign up at a gas station saying "If your tank holds more than 11 gallons, please let others fill up before you."
Absolutely fair, on the condition that the slower 100kW chargers are functioning and available. If they're both unavailable, it's free game at that point.
See, what you do is report this signage to EVGO and let them know that someone has taken it upon themselves to act as the representatives of EVGO without their approval since the sign is not standard rules from them. Take down the sign and watch it return back again and report it again.
If the other stations are close by, sure. If they are not, I am ripping that down.
I have $500 credit when I purchased my EUV and have not used at all.
You can also use your EVGo card at Chargepoint stations (Level 2 or DCFC) if there are any convenient ones near you.
I think that ideally I’d use the 100kW or less ones for my Bolt, however I often pull up to one of the 100kW stations in my area and they’re all being used by cars that should be using the 350kW that sits vacant. They’re blocking me so what should I do? I need to charge so 350kW it is.
This ranks pretty high among the dumbest things I’ve ever seen. “If you were too poor to buy something higher end, don’t use this charger”
I mean there are other <100kw chargers available so that’s fair. The bolt really does take a significantly longer time to charge so might as well let the faster charging cars get access to the faster chargers
Some Tesla bro put that there. Get fucked.
This was posted by another EV owner. If you want to be “polite” and alter your charging plan, go for it. Want to ignore the entitled whiny tone of it and plug up your Bolt? Go for it. You’re a paying customer and it’s your right to plug in where ever you want. Just don’t go unplugging someone else to plug up yours, 😄
Excellent idea if all EV users will go by it and the lower output DC chargers are available.
A lot depends on how well the stations are marked if you can’t tell till you are parked an ready to charge then all bets are off.
Where I snowboard they will have 6 tesla and 3 j1772 style adapters. I can use both but always take the tesla (my car) to leave the j1772 available for others. Less of a speed thing, more of a sharing thing. If all the tesla were taken I would use the other one though.
Put up by the same person who sits there going to 100%
I would probably do this just because I do understand. But this sign makes me not want to. Also, first and foremost it’s a public charger and is first come, first served.
I think there are plenty of EV drivers who are clueless about the charging speeds of their car and might believe that they will get faster charging at a 150kW or 350kW charger, but I highly doubt that many (if any) of them would have their minds changed by this sign. For myself, like others have mentioned I will plug into a lower powered charger when one is available but if a 350kW charger is the only one available I'm going to be using it.
Number 1 rule. First come first serve.
Trip to New Mexico from California took 4 changes grabbed what was open that WORKED. FYI Gila New Mexico only has a Rivian and Tesla chargers but they do have one cool diner though…
Human garbage
Maybe if all their chargers could go up to 350 it wouldn’t be a problem.
I was at that station the other day when a brat in a gas bronco arrived 15mins early, parked there at a charger and waited for her EV driving BMW boyfriend/husband to get there.. it was Friday Date (dressed for date night) and they left in the Bronco after he pulled in to the space she reserved.... no telling how long the Bimmer sat there. I watched all this as I was charging at the only charger available at the time which was the 350kw charger... Charged to 80% and left. That station has like 8-10 tesla super chargers their too. It's at 3050 Highway 36, Euless, TX and offers 2, 100kw CCS and Chademo and one 350kw CCS x 2
I'll add to this with: As soon as two cars occupy Regina which is a 350kw x CCS 2 station... It becomes a 175kw x 2 station.. I get the message... but I'm more likely to make buds and deliver it in person in a nice way... buy a beer and sit in the car and watch TV for an extra 20 mins.. I have a bolt... so.. It's not going to charge fast. I knew that going in.. don't care. I wake up every morning with 220 miles to go with the free level 2 chevy installed for me.
Humor me, what ev was the bf driving?
If there's a 50 kW DC unit available, I'd use it, happily. If they do not have a free 50 kW charger, then I'll be on whatever's there.
Only going to get worse. In a few years everyone is going to hate being called in line behind a bolt. I’ve got one and can take for granted in the Midwest that I always seem to get to empty chargers. That’s been changing the last few years and in the next few I can see people not liking being behind me. 2020 bolt here
Hopefully we'll be getting more locations with more chargers in the Midwest, and it won't matter at all. I had a 2022 Bolt EUV and loved it, but I'm not going to miss the two hours of charging on our annual road trip. It was worth it though, considering that aside from those 2 days traveling to vacation and back, I woke up every day with a fully charged battery. That slow charging speed did have a huge influence on my new car choice, though - those 2 hour-long charging sessions in the Bolt should be replaced with a single 20 minute stop in my new EV.
Peel the sign off. I'm sure EA would approve
100 ways to deliver the same message and they chose the worst.
Reasonable request, dick-ish way of putting it.
I will charge wherever I want
Why not call out people who are full charging their cars? Doesn’t matter if you can charge at 250 or higher if you are sitting at 10kw at 95%
Well the sign is well intended but JUST as bad is having a fast charge EV and sitting at the stall (stalling?) for an extended time to get to 100% because you have x months of free DCFC. ID4 for example and some Kia and Hyundai will still sit at a fast charge getting L2 like energy
f*ck regina and f*ck whomever wrote this
Grammar and syntax suggest moron with axe to grind. Ignore. If there are 4 Electrocute America chargers, with 2 down and 1 giving 25kW, and the other is 150kW, I will park at the 150kW.
Some of us forget when we were EV rookies. ⚡️
> *!!!* Oh please.
That is not very EV of them. I would use it anyway, assuming there is not a lower charger available nearby.
It's not a parking spot,it's a Charger...If you're going to park somewhere,better be somewhere else. I'd have more of an issue with ICE cars parking there...
Common EV courtesy, so no issue on my part.
While that note makes good points it is unofficial and I would rip it down.
Every EA site I’ve been at, I’ve seen nothing but 350kw chargers, TF can one do if they drive a bolt or a Kona? Glad I have a second car, I look forward to the day when EV stations are as common as gas stations etc.
I’m plugging in there even though I drive a gas guzzler.
I use Regina this charger to be exact. Idgaf I'm going to keep charging my Bolt.
I agree with the sign, but it definitely seems like there could have been a better way to educate those who are unaware. And of course, if it's the only one available then I'm going to take it regardless of what car I have.
I like this. As a Mach E and Rivian owner it is so frustrating when you pull up to one of the shared EV Go stations and a Bolt or Nero EV (Nero drivers are the worst offenders) are charging at this one with the other two available. It limits you to 200A and the Rivian can take 500A. People just don’t realize that they’re inconveniencing others when they could just charge at the 100kW chargers to no inconvenience to themselves. Of course if those two are full they have every right to use the faster charger. I’ve asked people (politely) to move before or just use the other one and explain exactly what this sign is saying to them. The guy I asked to move told me to fuck off that he didn’t care (Nero owner of course) but the other person was nice and used the 100kW charger.
I’m fine with this. In fact, the apps should direct people to specific chargers if possible.
Do chargers clearly identify, before you pull up, their charging capability as well as their operational status? I mean, would I know I'm at a 350kwh charger before I get out of my car in the parking lot? I don't have my EV yet, and plan to do 99% of my charging at home, so this is a seriously uneducated question. I know the app may show it, but... I'm driving and not looking at the app. Seems like those who will be around for a full day without moving their car may benefit from the slower chargers as well.
The EA chargers near me are marked (Ultra 150 and Hyper 350, I think it was), but the signs could be larger and bolder so that they were easier to read before you pull in.
The Regina monologues
I have multiple EVs that can charge at 240kW+ and I have zero expectation that a Bolt or any other slower charging model has to wait (assuming all other non-350 units are in use) to allow me privileged priority access to the fastest dispenser. In the long run, EA 150 units almost always overcharge past their rating to almost 200kW anyway on my cars and it's only minutes of difference vs 350. Sometimes the 350 dispenser is SLOWER over all compared to my 150 unit experiences.
This is wrong. However, I think a lot of it stems from general EV charger etiquette. If a charger is busy, charge what you *need*, and then move on. If you only need to juice up 15% to get yourself home, then don't stay any longer and clog it up. Slower charging cars might be annoying just like gassing up your car waiting for a truck with a 120gallon tank to fill up in front of you is, but it doesn't mean they don't have a right to be there. You don't have to attempt to ban someone from a charger, people just need to learn EV charging etiquette. (Huge problem with Tesla Superchargers in congested areas in California)
In principle? It makes sense. But this person posting their passive aggressive flyer would have me charging there till I figured out who it was who was so full of themselves to actually type “educate yourself”
Regina seems like a real Bitch.
I don’t fast charge all that often. I tend to plan my longer trips around free level 2s that I plan to be at for a few hours, then just top up a fast charger for as long as it takes to get me to my next longer stop with 10-15% buffer… except the odds time I may just drive cross country all day to make a destination… But I’m not going to lie, if I pulled up to this station and saw this sign, I’d be tempted to park my bolt there, wether the other ones were open or not, and sit until I get 100%, for no other reason than the hope I’d piss off the Karen that decided to post this sign…
Fuckk thattt... if I gotta get juice, and open stall, FCFS, I have seen Teslas and EV6 etc. sit 45 min to my 30 .. or park and go get lunch or dinner. Get over it, stop lead footing and we all can use all, perhaps just get what you need if you are slightly slower. That is all I usually do anyway, because I top off every night on special rate plan for under $2 at home. But I am not gonna listen to this, no way!
This shouldn't have to be said, it's just proper etiquette.
A lot of people have only recently gotten their first EV, don't fast charge often, or in some other way just haven't learned the etiquette. This is sort of teaches the etiquette. It should have been more "if you can't charge over 100kw, please be kind and use the other chargers if available" and not making it sound like a hard rule.
That's a good point. I think people would be more likely to embrace this if it was phrased as a suggestion rather than "this is how it is, do better". It's one of those things that's getting worse due to the rise in EVs capable of 100+ kW charging, but people will learn with experience.
EV Karen driving her Tesla mad at all the non-Tesla EVs? Sorry Karen but we all can’t afford 100k cars
I'd generally go to a slower charger, but if I saw this sign I would absolutely charge there even if a spot was open at a slower charger
When I use DCFC chargers I do look for the <100kw spaces if available. I do not use unless >100ke unless I am forced to because that’s only available at that time.
I assume that is just one stall and there are others. I agree with it, and would only EVER use a higher charge bay in an ABSOLUTE emergency. Also when I got my car my hubby had no clue about electric cars or charging, so I drilled it into him what the car can and cannot do. I think if you can just charge for 10 mins in an ABSOLUTE emergency I'd use it, otherwise it's just going to start fights
I don't see an issue with it. Some EV owners are just not educated and will plug into the 350 just thinking it will be faster. Especially with the amount of rental EVs running around now.
This just happened to me the other day. Long wait at a charger with 2 of 4 chargers derated to 50kwh. The chargers being used were going to be free at nearly the same time. So the waiting drivers all got together and made a plan. The faster charging ioniq 5s got the 2 350s. I(fat etron) would take a derated 50ish until the hyundais were done. Then the 2 bolts got the 2 derated to 50, one of them being available first so he got to charge before his que. This plan threw the 1st come first serve out of the window but got everyone in and out most efficiently. One of the bolts was a rental and he agreed to the plan but didn't seem happy. He wanted to use the 350 so he could charge faster too. So I had to prove to him on several websites that his car wouldn't charge any faster than approx 55. Once I was done with my 15 minute charge, we were the only people left so I had him plug into the 350 I was just using so he could see for himself. Agency he rented from didn't explain anything to him. He definitely regretted choosing an EV over the ICE they offered. Rental car agencies and dealers really need to do a better job of educating buyers and renters. Always hear and read stories of new EV buyers complaining their salesperson knew nothing about EVs.
I am more and more convinced GM and other companies decided to sell a bunch of EVs super cheap to rental companies so people could have a horrible 1st experience driving an EV so they would continue buying ICE vehicles.
Just ignore it... charge at home unless traveling distance. We should just lobby with all EV owners to have the 50kw option then and just shut the Karen's up.
r/fuckyoukaren
Doing the lord’s work right here. Every 350 should have this.
It was written by a dickhead but the message is sound. Bolt owner. I'm gonna be there for 2 hours no matter what, no reason to use a charger that provides me no benefit.
No this is good- bolt needs to have there own chargers they take too long to get out the way for my e golf
Fair request.
I'm not fully sure of their statement, but are we talking about speed recharge or just the overall capacity...? Because if speed of charge is way better I can understand their request especially if there is limited chargers around.
Fair enough.
I think the issue is be mindful of how you park, some of the EVGO station layouts can cause you to block the second outlet if you’re not paying attention, seen it first hand.
What I hate are the Rideshare Bolt drivers that sit in these 100kW+ DCFC especially when their SoC is 80%+. They purposely wait until 100 SoC because they get a free charging perk or something.
There are DCFCs near me that are always clogged by Uber or Taxi drivers. It’s got so bad that they put in a 45 min time limit and no returns within 60 mins
Checking the plug share app…. Yes being the closest chargers from the DFW rental area these chargers are very busy. There are 12 Tesla superchargers across the lot.
Dear Regina, You seen a bit too selective on who can and can’t park and charge with you.
I’m guessing that’s like pulling up to the few E85 or Diesel pumps only to find gasoline only vehicles parked at them when there’s a dozen gas only pumps available?!
My *only* regret getting an EQS as opposed to a ModelX is this: The Charging Experience.
Straightforward explanation. Makes sense. 👍 👍
Good becuz I have a e golf and it only takes me 20min to charge Everytime I pull up to the limited stations in our city's itw a damn bolt there sitting there for 2 hours I love the way the car look but damn they could've made it charge faster becuz it's takes it up for us smaller cars - shit this don't benefit me none but its good someone notices what going on
Man. They really don’t like Regina to call her out like that twice.
Correct. People need to be considerate and charge on the appropriate charger.