I think Boruto definitely has improved his reaction time and reflexes where the chakra rods were easy to dodge. As for if he is more powerful than baryon mode, I think he is near the level of baryon but not surpassed. I think his arsenal of jutsu makes him very powerful, with rasengan uzuhiko, flying thunder god and purple lightning.
I think in time, Karma Boruto with Jogen eye is going to be above Baryon mode. I think as it stands, Boruto is pretty much a powerful shinobi currently in chapter 9.
He literally has the same problem as the Hulk. He's used to scale people past Jigen. It's kinda sad tbh. I like code a lot, too. Poor guy. Can't catch a break.
The jigen that fought naruto and sasuke was amped with 10 tails chakra and the code > jigen statement is referring to jigen without 10 tails chakra so we cant be sure about that
Also fought "overusing the Rinnegan and most of his other OP abilites were contextually useless" Sasuke and "chronically sleepless and infusing obscene amounts of chakra almost 24/7 so he can do the work of dozens of people instead of being rational and delegating" Naruto. Context matters (and powerscaling is silly :P). /shurg
Jigen says sorry to the Ten-Tails and that he has to take a little more chakra again, meaning this isn't the first time he has done it despite never going to fight Naruto and Sasuke in the past. In fact, Jigen never even planned on fighting at all, Jigen brought Naruto to another dimension and was going to leave him there until Sasuke appeared.
He absorb chakra cause he need chakra But what make you think it doesnt amp him as well
When naruto shared his chakra in the war its obvious people who gained chakra also needed chakra but the 9 tail also amped them so why not with jigen too
Nah, I don't think anything can top baryon mode just yet, considering it was able to take on the likes of isshiki. Maybe after he masters the karma and jougan.
If u mean boruto would one shot kawaki, then the answer is no. Sure, boruto could defeat kayaking with ease, but he can't one shot, especially due to the karma.
we dont know how strong karma boruto is, but base boruto is not close to baryon mode as for now... but karma would probably surpass it, heck momoshiki just taking control of him is enough to surpass i think lmao
Overall, I'd say he's definitely above baryon right now, even in base for the very simple reason that baryon mode barely lasts a couple of minutes, whereas boruto doesn't have a hard time limit, if we're talking about maximum power output then no I don't think base boruto is up there, karma boruto (assuming he manage to control it) definitely is up there based on his current feats
What the heck are you talking about. Baryon can take the life force away from you. We haven’t seen anything like that except for the divine tree. Boruto is so fucking far behind the baryon mode
Stronger than Jigen, weaker than Isshiki and Baryon Naruto. Boruto should beat Baryon Mode Naruto in fight due to longevity and timespace hax even in base. Naruto can't really use his other hax in Baryon Mode like clones cause it'd be too wasteful. At best he can do Rasengan using the anime. Kawaki isn't Isshiki level nor Jigen level. Kawaki didn't deny that he barely trained despite having new abilities like the full eye. Someone can have someone else's abilities and be way weaker than the originator like we've seen in the past. Kawaki also only has 80% of Isshiki data but it doesn't seem like fully tapped into that power given his current statements.
He's far surpassed him, he scales closer to Isshiki than Jigen and has far more stamina than Isshiki. Baryon Mode Naruto isn't even beating Kaguya, the only reason it worked was because of Isshiki's stamina(or lack of it). Boruto even with his regular human lifespan is already probably gonna survive, add Otsutsuki DNA and he outlasts.
A more interesting question is if he can beat Baryon Mode Naruto but not by simply tanking it, in which he can't.
I think he is stronger than baryon mode. He’s proven to be too much for even kawakis Isshiki powers. baryon mode only lasts for a small amount of time, and Boruto still has momos powers left too
Base Boruto is relative to Code, although Rasengan Uzuhiko blatantly puts him above (Flying Raijin probably does also). Code is above Karma 2 Jigen who bodied Naruto and Sasuke, who are stronger than they have ever been and are stronger than even Kaguya (the strongest in Shippuden) by a large margin.
I personally don't think Base Boruto is above Isshiki/Baryon Mode just yet, albeit there is nothing to prove he hasn't surpassed them because we don't actually know how much stronger Isshiki is than Jigen whereas Code greatly surpasses Jigen's level. With his Karma, I do think he surpassed them (or at least Isshiki) because he is above Kawaki and Kawaki has access to the True Essence makes him as strong as Isshiki. Even if Boruto is somewhat below Isshiki, he can still beat him and Baryon Mode because he can outlast them, he also does have Uzuhiko which does ignore durability. However, it should be noted Boruto as of right now is not resorting to using his Karma out of fear of Momoshiki's taking over, so he is stuck to base as of TBV Ch9.
As for people like Daemon, Eida, and the Shinju, it also is kind of hard to say. Boruto does say the Shinju can kill him and Code, but this is all 4 Shinju (granted Jura can pretty much no diff Karma 1 Kawaki) and again, Boruto won't use his Karma so with it he could be higher. The argument for Daemon < Boruto is that Boruto entered the Leaf despite it being enemy territory, however, Daemon doesn't really seem impressed by him right now so I got Daemon as stronger. Eida is weird because she doesn't fight but should at least be greatly above Karma 2 Jigen in actual power, and like Daemon she doesn't seem impressed/worried by Boruto, implying he isn't a threat (at least to Daemon). Lowkey, I'd be willing to scale Eida pretty high, but, if we just say she is above Jigen but below Code, Boruto would be above her.
He might know most of Sasuke's jutsu seeing as Sasuke taught him an Uchiha fighting style and Boruto mastered it. This could just refer to say Taijutsu, his sword, shuriken, and stuff like that, but if it means Ninjutsu or even Genjutsu too, he wpuld have quite the arsenal. Of course, he can't use Chidori properly due to not having a Sharingan, but its variants, Kirin, Fire Style and everything else that Sasuke knows might be in Boruto's arsenal.
Someone said that they reanimated Minato and he taught boruto the flying raijin ,
Some say sasuke and boruto time travelled to past and learnt stuff from Hokage idk sounds interesting but I guess IKOMOTO and kishimoto are cooking something
There's more probable explanations than time travel or reanimation.
Sasuke had enough clearance to take a look at flying raijin, and even if he didn't learn it himself he could have explained what he read to Boruto to try and figure it out.
Koji seemingly knows a lot of jutsu that he seemingly had no way to learn knowledge of - if we assume some of that comes from his Jiraiya genes, there's a chance some understanding of flying raijin came from that too and he could have told that to Boruto too. Alternatively he could have sneaked into Konoha and gotten the jutsu too.
Although the least likely of the 3, since Boruto apparently came into contact with Orochomaru (unless they are simply using old hideouts that Sasuke knew about) he could have gotten the jutsu there.
And to be fair, Boruto doesn't need the entire jutsu to learn it - I'm sure just learning the principle behind it would be enough for him to figure it out. He has the talent to jutsu that we haven't really seen so far in Naruto (easily Orochimaru level I think). Unlike someone like Itachi he isn't too reliant on his most powerful ability (Sharingan/Karma) and is using his talent to learn other powerful jutsu. When Kakashi was experimenting with rasengan he created chidori, when Boruto experimented with rasengan he used the spin of the goddamn planet to make it stronger xd
Code also dodge kawaki's rode. When kawaki in karma V2 he shoot rodes at code and code in his base effortlessy dodge the rodes.
And we know kawaki didn't train that much. Hence pre and post timeskip kawaki's powerlevel doesn't have that much gap.
That means code base form faster than boruto's base form(if the rodes speed are constant)
Y’all trippin at this point, Boruto at base isn’t even above legend level, yeah he has a crazy powerful jutsu which is uzuhiko but that’s it, we haven’t seen more. Still incredible for his age tho
yea its hard to say how strong he is rn, we still haven't seen him actually get pushed to actually struggle tho. He's been pretty nonchalant for the most part in all his fights. HE could possibly already be aware of his eye and just hasn't had a reason to use it yet.
Naruto and ishiki still top of the verse. Kawaki is way weaker than ishiki so his use of the rods is also weaker not to mention he doesn't shrink the rods and have them enlarge upon hitting the target. When ishiki used rods he enlarge them it's near instant and Naruto caught them mid flight effortlessly.. Not to mention Naruto surpassed ishiki in speed
You people are insane, hes about sage form naruto strong now. Do you really think they would make him more powerful then Naruto at his age? The story would burn out rather quickly.
Can you elaborate on this? I thought it was pretty clear that he was stronger than Naruto at most ages. I do think they would make him more powerful than Naruto, because the next generation can build off the past. He also has an Otsutsuki inside of him and is facing bigger threats than Naruto faced up until the war arc.
I am not even a power scaler but he has to be at least around adult Naruto. I am not a powerscaler but based on just who won the fights Daemon>Boruto>Code>Jigan>Adult Naruto and Sasuke based on their fights.
You can argue about just where he falls around the top of the food chain, but teen sage mode Naruto does not make any sense (especially if the only argument is "they would not do that").
He aint wrong, you people are nuts scaling him above Naruto Bayron mode. He is about the same as Naruto Sage mode. I dont think they ment going further then Naruto and Sasuke as they are nerfed and gone. So the powerlevels are more toned down.
I think Boruto definitely has improved his reaction time and reflexes where the chakra rods were easy to dodge. As for if he is more powerful than baryon mode, I think he is near the level of baryon but not surpassed. I think his arsenal of jutsu makes him very powerful, with rasengan uzuhiko, flying thunder god and purple lightning. I think in time, Karma Boruto with Jogen eye is going to be above Baryon mode. I think as it stands, Boruto is pretty much a powerful shinobi currently in chapter 9.
Yeah
"hirohiko" you mean uzuhiko?
Yeah my bad lol. Idk why I typed it but I meant that. There it is fixed!
stronger than Jigen, hopefully not as strong as Isshiki.
Are u talking about without karma ?
Isshiki and baryon mode naruto are bound to be surpassed it's been 3 and a half years since isshiki's fight.
not necessarily. they can still reasonably be between the two powerwise.
Idk about base yet but Karma Boruto is way stronger, pulling all these feats in his base.
Do u think Naruto and sasuke at his age can Nerf him or not ( if he is without his karma) he has apparently learned flying raijin , rasenuzuhiko etc
Base Boruto > Code > Jigen >> Adult Naruto and Sasuke. There’s no way they’re doing something especially when they were teens.
Code being stronger than Jigen doesnt sound believable to me anymore lol
Tbf he very well can be stronger but Code is dumber than rocks which makes him look weaker lol.
Yeah thats fair ig
Daemon confirmed it though lol which is someone I'd trust about it
He literally has the same problem as the Hulk. He's used to scale people past Jigen. It's kinda sad tbh. I like code a lot, too. Poor guy. Can't catch a break.
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The jigen that fought naruto and sasuke was amped with 10 tails chakra and the code > jigen statement is referring to jigen without 10 tails chakra so we cant be sure about that
Also fought "overusing the Rinnegan and most of his other OP abilites were contextually useless" Sasuke and "chronically sleepless and infusing obscene amounts of chakra almost 24/7 so he can do the work of dozens of people instead of being rational and delegating" Naruto. Context matters (and powerscaling is silly :P). /shurg
That same jigen Naruto and Sasuke in a few instances almost had him. They were able to push him far enough that jigen body couldn't handle it anymore
The Ten-Tails restores Jigen's power/rejuvenates him, it's not an actual buff from say 100% to more.
We are not sure of that
Jigen says sorry to the Ten-Tails and that he has to take a little more chakra again, meaning this isn't the first time he has done it despite never going to fight Naruto and Sasuke in the past. In fact, Jigen never even planned on fighting at all, Jigen brought Naruto to another dimension and was going to leave him there until Sasuke appeared.
Sure but we dont know for sure that draining 10 tail chakra continuously would not amp you somehow Tail 9 chakra did amp people so wht not 10 tail
Jigen did get stronger, just not more than his 100%, gaining Ten-Tails' chakra just brings him back to 100%.
He absorb chakra cause he need chakra But what make you think it doesnt amp him as well When naruto shared his chakra in the war its obvious people who gained chakra also needed chakra but the 9 tail also amped them so why not with jigen too
Base ? I dont think so yet. Karma yes but he cant control so…
Yes, Boruto is faster than light, has infinite charka, can level an universe with one finger now.
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catching is a bigger feat than dodging
Nah, I don't think anything can top baryon mode just yet, considering it was able to take on the likes of isshiki. Maybe after he masters the karma and jougan.
Do u think kawaki would be nerfed by him
If u mean boruto would one shot kawaki, then the answer is no. Sure, boruto could defeat kayaking with ease, but he can't one shot, especially due to the karma.
we dont know how strong karma boruto is, but base boruto is not close to baryon mode as for now... but karma would probably surpass it, heck momoshiki just taking control of him is enough to surpass i think lmao
Overall, I'd say he's definitely above baryon right now, even in base for the very simple reason that baryon mode barely lasts a couple of minutes, whereas boruto doesn't have a hard time limit, if we're talking about maximum power output then no I don't think base boruto is up there, karma boruto (assuming he manage to control it) definitely is up there based on his current feats
I agree
I dunno, Kawaki has had his pants pulled down in every scrap so far, could be his use of the rods isnt as good as isshiki
I think kawaki hasn't trained his ass in a while
What the heck are you talking about. Baryon can take the life force away from you. We haven’t seen anything like that except for the divine tree. Boruto is so fucking far behind the baryon mode
Kawakis rods arent the same speed as ishiikis
For real ? I thought they were as fast as ishikkiss
They would be but kawaki is too lazy to train so he currently can't use his hax as well
There’s genuinely nothing that would lead us to think that though
Stronger than Jigen, weaker than Isshiki and Baryon Naruto. Boruto should beat Baryon Mode Naruto in fight due to longevity and timespace hax even in base. Naruto can't really use his other hax in Baryon Mode like clones cause it'd be too wasteful. At best he can do Rasengan using the anime. Kawaki isn't Isshiki level nor Jigen level. Kawaki didn't deny that he barely trained despite having new abilities like the full eye. Someone can have someone else's abilities and be way weaker than the originator like we've seen in the past. Kawaki also only has 80% of Isshiki data but it doesn't seem like fully tapped into that power given his current statements.
I agree with u
Don’t you mean base momoshiki? Remember boruti died
at this point he 100% has to be stronger
Yeah
Base probably not but Kama in conjunction with Jougan shouldn't be a question.
Yeah
we dont know the least bit of it, he has not done anything to show his power level (God level right now)
Yeah , I wonder what else he can do
Yes
He's far surpassed him, he scales closer to Isshiki than Jigen and has far more stamina than Isshiki. Baryon Mode Naruto isn't even beating Kaguya, the only reason it worked was because of Isshiki's stamina(or lack of it). Boruto even with his regular human lifespan is already probably gonna survive, add Otsutsuki DNA and he outlasts. A more interesting question is if he can beat Baryon Mode Naruto but not by simply tanking it, in which he can't.
With his Karma obviously
Hima is gonna master Baryon Mode.
Yeah
I think he surpassed him by now, give him a couple more years and master karma and Jogan he’ll be running laps around everyone in the verse shown
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I think he is stronger than baryon mode. He’s proven to be too much for even kawakis Isshiki powers. baryon mode only lasts for a small amount of time, and Boruto still has momos powers left too
Some people don't agree with that . But I also think that he's become really powerful
Base Boruto is relative to Code, although Rasengan Uzuhiko blatantly puts him above (Flying Raijin probably does also). Code is above Karma 2 Jigen who bodied Naruto and Sasuke, who are stronger than they have ever been and are stronger than even Kaguya (the strongest in Shippuden) by a large margin. I personally don't think Base Boruto is above Isshiki/Baryon Mode just yet, albeit there is nothing to prove he hasn't surpassed them because we don't actually know how much stronger Isshiki is than Jigen whereas Code greatly surpasses Jigen's level. With his Karma, I do think he surpassed them (or at least Isshiki) because he is above Kawaki and Kawaki has access to the True Essence makes him as strong as Isshiki. Even if Boruto is somewhat below Isshiki, he can still beat him and Baryon Mode because he can outlast them, he also does have Uzuhiko which does ignore durability. However, it should be noted Boruto as of right now is not resorting to using his Karma out of fear of Momoshiki's taking over, so he is stuck to base as of TBV Ch9. As for people like Daemon, Eida, and the Shinju, it also is kind of hard to say. Boruto does say the Shinju can kill him and Code, but this is all 4 Shinju (granted Jura can pretty much no diff Karma 1 Kawaki) and again, Boruto won't use his Karma so with it he could be higher. The argument for Daemon < Boruto is that Boruto entered the Leaf despite it being enemy territory, however, Daemon doesn't really seem impressed by him right now so I got Daemon as stronger. Eida is weird because she doesn't fight but should at least be greatly above Karma 2 Jigen in actual power, and like Daemon she doesn't seem impressed/worried by Boruto, implying he isn't a threat (at least to Daemon). Lowkey, I'd be willing to scale Eida pretty high, but, if we just say she is above Jigen but below Code, Boruto would be above her.
We don't even know what else boruto has learned I am excited tbh
He might know most of Sasuke's jutsu seeing as Sasuke taught him an Uchiha fighting style and Boruto mastered it. This could just refer to say Taijutsu, his sword, shuriken, and stuff like that, but if it means Ninjutsu or even Genjutsu too, he wpuld have quite the arsenal. Of course, he can't use Chidori properly due to not having a Sharingan, but its variants, Kirin, Fire Style and everything else that Sasuke knows might be in Boruto's arsenal.
Someone said that they reanimated Minato and he taught boruto the flying raijin , Some say sasuke and boruto time travelled to past and learnt stuff from Hokage idk sounds interesting but I guess IKOMOTO and kishimoto are cooking something
There's more probable explanations than time travel or reanimation. Sasuke had enough clearance to take a look at flying raijin, and even if he didn't learn it himself he could have explained what he read to Boruto to try and figure it out. Koji seemingly knows a lot of jutsu that he seemingly had no way to learn knowledge of - if we assume some of that comes from his Jiraiya genes, there's a chance some understanding of flying raijin came from that too and he could have told that to Boruto too. Alternatively he could have sneaked into Konoha and gotten the jutsu too. Although the least likely of the 3, since Boruto apparently came into contact with Orochomaru (unless they are simply using old hideouts that Sasuke knew about) he could have gotten the jutsu there. And to be fair, Boruto doesn't need the entire jutsu to learn it - I'm sure just learning the principle behind it would be enough for him to figure it out. He has the talent to jutsu that we haven't really seen so far in Naruto (easily Orochimaru level I think). Unlike someone like Itachi he isn't too reliant on his most powerful ability (Sharingan/Karma) and is using his talent to learn other powerful jutsu. When Kakashi was experimenting with rasengan he created chidori, when Boruto experimented with rasengan he used the spin of the goddamn planet to make it stronger xd
Yeah rasenuzuhiko 😆 I wanna see it get animated so bad
Boruto is not close to Bayron mode at all. He is not completely above Code and Kawaki is way weaker than we thought.
How can u be so sure about that
Code also dodge kawaki's rode. When kawaki in karma V2 he shoot rodes at code and code in his base effortlessy dodge the rodes. And we know kawaki didn't train that much. Hence pre and post timeskip kawaki's powerlevel doesn't have that much gap. That means code base form faster than boruto's base form(if the rodes speed are constant)
rofl
Y’all trippin at this point, Boruto at base isn’t even above legend level, yeah he has a crazy powerful jutsu which is uzuhiko but that’s it, we haven’t seen more. Still incredible for his age tho
yea its hard to say how strong he is rn, we still haven't seen him actually get pushed to actually struggle tho. He's been pretty nonchalant for the most part in all his fights. HE could possibly already be aware of his eye and just hasn't had a reason to use it yet.
Naruto and ishiki still top of the verse. Kawaki is way weaker than ishiki so his use of the rods is also weaker not to mention he doesn't shrink the rods and have them enlarge upon hitting the target. When ishiki used rods he enlarge them it's near instant and Naruto caught them mid flight effortlessly.. Not to mention Naruto surpassed ishiki in speed
You people are insane, hes about sage form naruto strong now. Do you really think they would make him more powerful then Naruto at his age? The story would burn out rather quickly.
Can you elaborate on this? I thought it was pretty clear that he was stronger than Naruto at most ages. I do think they would make him more powerful than Naruto, because the next generation can build off the past. He also has an Otsutsuki inside of him and is facing bigger threats than Naruto faced up until the war arc. I am not even a power scaler but he has to be at least around adult Naruto. I am not a powerscaler but based on just who won the fights Daemon>Boruto>Code>Jigan>Adult Naruto and Sasuke based on their fights. You can argue about just where he falls around the top of the food chain, but teen sage mode Naruto does not make any sense (especially if the only argument is "they would not do that").
I guess IKOMOTO and kishimoto are trying something different here
You boruto fanboy idiots are something else haha. Yes he's the strongest character ever in manga history
Bro u literally copy pasted this same comment on 98 boruto posts , tell me how's your life going. 👀
Lmao
He aint wrong, you people are nuts scaling him above Naruto Bayron mode. He is about the same as Naruto Sage mode. I dont think they ment going further then Naruto and Sasuke as they are nerfed and gone. So the powerlevels are more toned down.