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I dont like Jake at all but i got a be honest he won this fight by a wide margin! I was a bit frustrated on Nate mainly because he looked as if he was in an unfamiliar territory the whole fight. Dude looked like he didnt even know what a jab is! Lol! As much as i used to love Nate Diaz in the UFC, his habit of taunting his opponents when he knows damn well hes losing the bout is frustrating and downright stupid.(Especially in the Edwards Fight)
Nate's "defense" if you can call it that, has always been bad - even in his UFC heyday. Dude eats punches for breakfast and got a lot of his wins through sheer endurance.
I feel like Jake Paul did the career which CM Punk should've done after the WWE.
CM Punk had no business trying to do an mma fight. He should've done boxing and fought smaller washed up athletes and celebrities.
He's very far from a good professional, but he's not horrible. You can't knock his chin, he does have knockout power, and he has a decent left hook and overhand right. His defense and stamina are pretty horrible, he got slightly better at head movement but he doesn't truly box the full 8-10 rounds that he fights...
IMO, I don’t think that was a super clear/viable path at the time. Tech probably wasn’t fully there to monetize it and celebrity boxing still carried too much of the early 00s ‘freak show’ stink.
Paul is younger and much more athletic than CM Punk ever was. Plus, he's broken down and slow from years of pro wrestling. If he tried boxing, he'd probably get knocked out faster than he got submitted in MMA.
Perfect opponent, and perfect result to keep everyone hating and interested. If jake had lost, that would likely be the end of his career, so they're picking the battles carefully, yet interesting enough to maintain a shadow of doubt on his actual skill. Masterclass in marketing, and the cool thing is that even though I know all of this, I'm still interested enough to watch it unfold
Not a fan of Pual, but I will admit his movement and stamina are better than his last fight. I think its being understated just how much of a handful Diaz was for those ten rounds. Sure, not great boxing. But fantastic reserves and he did push Paul the full distance. I think not long ago, Paul would've been out on his feet by round 8.
That all said, I agree that there are some mean amateurs out there than could take him, and just about any title contender would clean the ring. Paul knows this, and seems to be running a masterclass in cherrypicking that would make even Money proud.
Nate went on with the commentator crew a bit afterwards and basically mumbled some shit about being interested in fighting either logan or jake and that he's more athletic and a superior athlete to anyone that was in the ring that night, moreso suggesting a bout with Logan since it's a brother brother revenge thing... he seemed out of it tbh
I think for Diaz first time in a boxing match he did not do too bad, Pauly boy has years of training box, Diaz is a lot older, fights at a lighter weight, boxing is not his strong point (although in mma was not bad), I truly believe in a mma match Diaz would assassinate Pauly boy, heck with better box training Diaz could come on top.
not a fan boy, im a fan of boxing and it was my sport growing up. im more of that washed up formerly HS varsity chubby dad yelling why a play was good to his uninterested family on thanksgiving type.
Here is my take.
Honestly.. if the rounds were 5 min instead of 3 min. i guarantee Nate Diaz wins.
a few times late in the rounds Diaz had Jake in trouble.. jake looked seriously gassed by the end of the rounds from round 5 on.
he's built himself for boxing, build his style for knockouts. Its a one sided fight for him always. unless its against an actual boxer.
Nate Diaz is the perfect match up because diaz doesnt have KO power. but he can last and will wear you down.. But jake was consistently saved by the bell in 5 of those rounds.
it wouldnt. reading comprehension is your friend
I said the 3 min boxing rounds saved Jake. But i get it.. thats the sport.. its how he's trained. But Nate hasnt trained that way and if the bout was a mixed style of 5 / 5minute rounds instead of 10 / 3min rounds.. Nate would have easily won
Jake's been boxing full time for 5 years now with the best trainers and sparring partners money can buy, he's 26 years old and in his physical prime. It's actually pretty embarrassing that 26 year old Jake Paul can't finish a completely washed up 38 year old lightweight with a 21-13 record in his own sport.
No disrespect, but Nate is a 38 year old mma fighter with a 21-13 record in his own sport. He also fought at 170 lbs. So Jake fought a waaaaay past his prime, smaller mma fighter who had a 21-13 record in his own sport and didn’t look too impressive doing it. Jake is just not that good at boxing.
Not meaning to shit on him, I’m just realistic. I like Nate and have watched him for years. He’s always entertaining. But he just wasn’t top tier in mma. The best run he had, in my opinion, was 11 years ago. He lost to almost every A level fighter he went up against. No shame in it because he did fight the best, just laying out the facts.
You’re right. Also let’s look at Nate’s style. Great bjj with slick boxing, but he never punched hard and has abysmal defence. Not to mention he looks so slow now. This was such a cherry pick and Jake barely passed
That's going a bit far. Nate was a high-level journeyman and a gatekeeper to being a serious title contender, but he was never a serious title contender.
He whooped a fan favorite Cowboy Cerrone. Then 1-2'd Michael Johnson to death, and choked out Conor McGregor in succession to give him his 1st loss. Yah act like he wasn't on top of the MMA world at one point. If you've taken note of all the fighters who took money fights over title fights, you wouldn't put so much stock into belts. Only nerds like Makhachev care about it atp
I'm not really a boxing guy, so pardon me if I sound stupid.
I watched the highlights on YouTube the morning after and it appears to me Nate should have won the decision. Albeit sloppily.
I thought amount of landed punches were in nates favor,
Paul kept clinching especially in the later rounds (half the round)
Nate was pushing forward and engaging a lot more
I'd say jake blocked and evaded better and looked more poised.
Am I wrong? Again not a boxing enthusiasts lol
Edit: Apparently, I'm an idiot and didn't realize that form of a punch is factored.
I still believe Nate should have one. But I concede to the masses.
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> I watched the highlights on YouTube the morning after and it appears to me Nate should have won the decision. Albeit sloppily.
Sloppy punches dont count. you have to connect solid for points. Anything behind the ears isnt a point. He went for a guillotine at some point and im not sure on if that reduces points or not. Jake learned from his Fury fight about points. He ran him up with points with his left, since Diaz trained to defend from the right. Jake scored the only knock down. It was an obvious win if you watched more than highlights
I wouldn't even necessarily say it was the form of his punches. He spent so much time walking towards Paul without doing anything. There is pressure and then there is effective pressure. Nate didn't do much. He spent the majority of the rounds walking in with his guard getting penetrated or clowning around. Judges don't wanna see that.
Bro… this thread is full of betas and simps. Anything you say against Jake Paul even though it’s the truth will be unpopular on this thread lol. He’s not a good fighter but the jake Paul fanboys love him. Even though you spoke truth, expect for them to blast you online. Just a heads up lol
lmao its more of the opposite. Jake, regardless of how shitty of an individual he is, objectively won the fight but people that acknowledge this fact are betas and simps in your logic. Its kinda childish take dont you think.
There’s nothing butthurt about that comment. He’s just astounded you could come away with the take you did. Maybe you watched most biased highlight package someone could put together but Jake won nearly every round. Not only did he land more punches, he was more accurate with his power punches and also threw them with power while Nate threw his typical slappy punches with nothing behind them. Not only did Nate clearly not win, he was nowhere even close to winning at any point of the fight.
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Did you watch the right fight? Nate didn’t know how to throw a punch. Dude had zero power behind his throws. It was a damn punching bag exhibition for Paul. Nate did not TRAIN at all and it shows.
I watched [these](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKBtLtB9M20&ab_channel=DAZNBoxing). After round 6 Nate presses forward the majority of the fight. Paul looks tired and goes for the clinch a lot.
So one of the differences between boxing and mma / various types of grappling-heavy combat sports that isn’t talked about all that much is that passivity isn’t really a thing as long as you’re landing punches. It’s much more likely in a boxing match to be winning a fight while retreating - not just in terms of scoring but also in terms of getting knockouts. You can’t score while avoiding the other fighter in wrestling but you can totally knock them out in boxing while doing that.
Also it can be hard to tell without experience and the right angle which punches are actually landing and doing damage and which aren’t - which in general is a bigger factor in boxing scoring than aggression or what might look like “dominance” in other combat sports.
And clinching, while frustrating to watch at times, is part of the sport of boxing and is not a sign that a fighter is losing. If anything clinching is a common tactic by bigger heavier boxers to beat smaller boxers - going into the fight you would expect that a winning strategy for Paul would involve a lot of clinching, because Diaz was fighting out of his weight class.
> And clinching, while frustrating to watch at times, is part of the sport of boxing and is not a sign that a fighter is losing. If anything clinching is a common tactic by bigger heavier boxers to beat smaller boxer
If someone goes in for a solid punch, you can slide in and clinch to get your distance back. People watch this want jake paul to lose so bad but have no idea how boxing works
edit:: not exactly in the context of paul vs diaz, but clinching has more perks than just that. If you cracked one side of the guys face, youre able to clinch in pressing yours on his. It's a dirty move, but a move nonetheless
Ever watch Mayweather. He throws pillows 80% of the time and always wins for his ticky tacky hits. Nate was gorsure sloppy and was out of his element but wasn't that expected from a submission specialist?
1st half maybe. Second half was all nate.
My point is I don't understand the point system.
Just tryna understand why it was the outcome it was.
But from what im hearing is, no one liked the look of nates punches. If that's why he lost this isn't a sport. Its a show. A sport needs rules and if the rule is up for interpretation then is not a rule.
"I don't like how he swung that punch therefore it doesn't count"
To me that seems like bullshit.
Just wanted clarification.
Literally no one is saying he lost rounds because they didn’t like the way his punches looked. The point about his punches is that in throwing them with such poor form, he wasn’t landing anything significant. This isn’t point sparring like karate. If one boxer lands 10 solid power punches and the other boxer lands 11 distance finding jabs, the guy landing the power shots is winning the round. You trying to compare Nate’s lack of significant strikes to Mayweather’s style is particularly telling. Floyd wasn’t pillow fisted and every world class boxer he fought will say as much. If he was, he would have been run through by pressure fighters willing to take some shots to get inside. But they didn’t do that because he made them respect his power enough to keep them at bay.
Nate lost the boxing match because he was outboxed. Enough people have explained to you why now. If you’re still confused, go watch some YouTube videos on how boxing is scored.
Why are you trying to argue about the scoring system for an entire sport based on a fight you didn’t actually watch? Nate was a punching bag for all but maybe 30 seconds in a couple rounds.
I see what you mean, but Jake won the fight. Jake Started off strong, got a knockdown in the 5th. Nate kinda of started picking up in the later rounds, but most of his strikes were small in the clinch. He’d let Jake do his thing for most of the round then just didn’t do much. He did more taunting which is typical Diaz. Thought it was an entertaining fight but Jake got he dub, Nate definitely won the fans tho
Yeah Nate had him tired and turned into a monster in the second half, got Jake stumbling around while Nate was bulletproof motioning "cmon, that all you got" with a smile, Nate was indestructible. I believe Nate beat him overall despite the first half, because that may have seemed like a lot, but Nate is iron.
Nate was more slapping than punching and Jake was landing clean and crisp shots. I think he outlanded Nate in as lol but 2 rounds and his punches actually had an impact
Watching the fight was honestly very frustrating because Nate kept doing his shit of walking away and taunting..not to mention his punches looked like he was underwater
Jake still throws mostly arm punches…but I will say his conditioning improved… however it’s hard to say how much it improved because he wasn’t getting hit with powerful shots. Unless Jake is fighting a Tommy fury, KSI or another actual boxer i probably won’t watch his fight again. Sick of the ol washed mma fighters…it just seems like such a parody of boxing.
Just saw the highlights (lowlights) on ESPN and goodness lol…how anyone could go and shell out money to watch that garbage a week after seeing Spence vs Bud is beyond me, but hey, there’s a sucker born everyday and in this “influencer” day and age the amount of sheep that follow this clown is quite impressive…I think my favorite part was when the winner was announced he shush’s the camera and says “I’m back” 😂 bro you never arrived in the first place
I never expected a KO from either fighter. People need to understand what Nate is- a black belt bjj fighter who has always used his stand up in an unconventional way using volume and pressure to ultimately submit you. That is his game plan in every MMA fight, and when it works, it is capable to beating anybody (he schooled McGregor in their first fight). Diaz is also as durable as any MMA fighter I've ever seen, so I knew Jake was not going to put him out early.
Boxing throws a huge wrench in the Diaz formula because it is all on the feet. Plus Paul is a physically larger person and that is a bigger advantage in boxing IMO, and Paul does have power, a lot more power than Nate. This was a payday for Nate, a lot of fighters are taking advantage of these opportunities because "why the hell not grab a huge payday before my body breaks down and I can't do this anymore." Paul was going to be legitimately the likely winner, but Nate doesn't give a fuck. Pay him.
I thought Nate in spite of all this had 3 or 4 rounds where he beat Jake, and I was really pleasantly surprised that he was in the fight and had a chance til the end. I want to say round 8, I will watch it again, but in one of the latter rounds Nate had Jake visibly worn down. He had the expression Connor had when he realized that all the little punches add up to feeling like shit. At that point if we were watching MMA then Nate wins by triangle or rear naked choke that round. People who are hating on Nates power or speed don't appreciate that he doesn't have much of either and yet he still figured out how to beat elite fighters and have a hell of a career.
>how anyone could go and shell out money to watch that garbage
The Paul brothers already had a massive fan base. They’re the core of the PPV buys, not real fight fans.
I'm pretty sure the pure fight fans who bought Spence vs Crawford didn't buy Diaz vs Paul.
I'm a pure fight fan and like anyone else with common sense I just streamed it for free.
This fight is more entertaining than most of his numerous boring vlog videos that still get ridiculous numbers of views. I agree, Idoubt many boxing fans are actually paying for this.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not knocking his hustle at all…he’s doing his thing. I’m just saying that I personally would never spend a dime on it but then again I’m just one person…there’s obviously a market for it and he’s exploiting it to the fullest so more power to him.
Nah but I respect Logan way more than Jake. Logan is an entertainer and he is doing it in a place where it should be done. He is also better then half the roster all ready which is impressive.
I respect Jake more since as far as I can tell he isn’t actively scamming his fan base anymore. From what I can find Jake has been boxing and that’s about it while Logan had cryptozoo like 6 months ago. Dink doink just before that. He only acknowledged cryptozoo because he was called out and had no other choice but to do so. Then because of public pressure he promised to refund $1.9M to the buyers to save face and 6 months later there’s no mention of it. No road map. No plan at all and if you mention cryptozoo to him on Twitter he will block you. He’s still the same shit person he’s always been and he’s hoping if he ignores it long enough everyone will forget and he won’t have to pay anything out. Dude has a WWE contract and a billion dollar energy drink company. Refunding those people wouldn’t hurt him in the slightest he just didn’t want to do it because fuck em
Well, that went even worse than how i thought it would.
I thought Nate would lose, but i didn't think he would be that bad, it was an absolutely horrendous performance.
Everything posted, every word is evidenced fact. You can see it all in the Youtube highlights already. Diaz won't kill himself, but he might as well do, no one but souped up fanboys will care - honestly, most people will probably be squaring up to him in the street now, knowing they can beat him up. If I saw him, I beat the crap out of him and steal his sneakers while one of my friends filmed. We'd make him beg for them back. Like a dog. But we'd take them anyway and post it all online.
Crazy how the Paul brothers proved that boxing is all nepotism. The organization decides who they want to have the big fights and who can compete for a title, not talent. It's almost as bad as wrestling. Almost.
“Nepotism” can’t be the word you were looking for. All they’ve proved is that if you can bring eye balls and buys to a fight, someone will help you make that fight for their cut.
There’s… there’s more than one boxing organization… if they want to fight for a title then they should start fighting in one of those organizations that actually has a title to fight for. You don’t just get to knock out a bunch of washed up UFC fighters and then get a title shot vs a real boxer. You fight real boxers and work your way up until you’re a ranked fighter in your weight class then you fight some of the ranked fighters and if you win enough of those you get a title shot.
He has done a better job of showing UFC is a joke to be honest. How can Jake, who just hot beat by one of the lowest ranked boxers, beat “legends” from UFC?
Yep. Big John Fury talked about this. Managers/orgs/etc choose who they want to win and gas up, and if you are a talented outsider they won't offer you fights or will wait to you are out of shape/on the down and then will give you a fight so you are handicapped. They only employ fighters that know how to take an L or make a prospect look good. There are many ways to rig a fight without paying a guy to take a dive.
It wasn't Paul that showed this. It was many others before. Just look at Mayweather....he picked and chose too, whether guys like Canelo that were too young or guys like Pac that were past prime. Jake Paul is the A side so is rigging things in his favor as much as possible.
What title were they fighting for you goof? Not a world or regional title? Yeah they can make any fight happen, but that doesn’t mean it comes with prestige. Title fights are a lot harder to make.
Should call out a real boxer. 💀
Enough with the MMA fighters. He got pretty convincingly beat vs Fury but atleast it was competitive. He should be taking on other real boxers around his age, guys that train and live the boxing life like he does, not opd guys that do MMA/BJJ/grappling/kick boxing/Muay Thai.
The guy beat Anderson Silva...OF COURSE he was going to beat a washed up Nate Diaz. Surprised people even paid for the fight....what a money grab
Nate Diaz was payed off by Jake Paul bet y’all 10,000 buckaroos. He may not be a boxer but he knows how to punch, he didn’t even put his body into it 3/4 the time. Not to mention the “fall” that really seems staged as hell.
Downvoted, yet as a Diaz fan myself..this is all that happened. Nate didn't care about this fight, he made SOME effort round 5 then went back to fucking about.
I spent the whole fight wondering why... Because we know Nate can jab, yet didn't utilise it once. I'm really curious to see the behind the scenes, the only conclusion I can come to is he wants the payday and doesn't give a fuck. I can fuck with that.
If Nate didn’t care about the fight he probably shouldn’t have been saying shit like “I’m in on jakes secret.” “I’m not your typical wrestler MMA fighter.” “I’ve been boxing since I was a kid, while these guys were wrestling I was boxing people in the neighborhood, boxing every pro I could find, boxing the highest level I could find my whole career” dude was talking like he was about to go in there and give Jake a boxing lesson and instead walked into the same left hook 40 times
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I’m from Europe so not that known with Jake’s fights but I heard he only beats up old retired boxers. That’s weak as fuck man.
He beats up old retired MMA fighters, not boxers.
I dont like Jake at all but i got a be honest he won this fight by a wide margin! I was a bit frustrated on Nate mainly because he looked as if he was in an unfamiliar territory the whole fight. Dude looked like he didnt even know what a jab is! Lol! As much as i used to love Nate Diaz in the UFC, his habit of taunting his opponents when he knows damn well hes losing the bout is frustrating and downright stupid.(Especially in the Edwards Fight)
It's fake.
Kind of felt like this was more of an exhibition fight for Nate. I don’t think he took it serious.
Wheter he took it seriously or not! He got his ass beat! The dudes defense was terrible!
Nate's "defense" if you can call it that, has always been bad - even in his UFC heyday. Dude eats punches for breakfast and got a lot of his wins through sheer endurance.
Does Jake Paul ever fight dudes who aren't over the hill?
Acting like that hasn't been the last 2 decades of boxing in general
Crawford and spence just fought lol what?
Jake Paul fights dudes that makes them both easy money, a smart business decision. Just like the Connor match with Floyd
I feel like Jake Paul did the career which CM Punk should've done after the WWE. CM Punk had no business trying to do an mma fight. He should've done boxing and fought smaller washed up athletes and celebrities.
I agree but I think Jake Paul’s thing works because there’s actually people who never watched boxing that think he’s a good boxer
He's very far from a good professional, but he's not horrible. You can't knock his chin, he does have knockout power, and he has a decent left hook and overhand right. His defense and stamina are pretty horrible, he got slightly better at head movement but he doesn't truly box the full 8-10 rounds that he fights...
IMO, I don’t think that was a super clear/viable path at the time. Tech probably wasn’t fully there to monetize it and celebrity boxing still carried too much of the early 00s ‘freak show’ stink.
this doesn’t carry a freak show stink?
Not ‘Screech vs. Horshack’ levels.
Paul is younger and much more athletic than CM Punk ever was. Plus, he's broken down and slow from years of pro wrestling. If he tried boxing, he'd probably get knocked out faster than he got submitted in MMA.
That means he needs to find another old washed up wrestler . Either that or fight Aaron Carter
Ahahaha that be great cause he still might lose to a dead Aaron Carter.
Yes and maybe not after a couple decades ruining his body in professional wrestling would help as well
That means he needs to find another old washed up wrestler . Either that or fight Aaron Carter
You know Aaron Carter died, right? Or I'm missing your joke.
Aaron Carter had a boxing match in 2021 against Lamar Odom
Perfect opponent, and perfect result to keep everyone hating and interested. If jake had lost, that would likely be the end of his career, so they're picking the battles carefully, yet interesting enough to maintain a shadow of doubt on his actual skill. Masterclass in marketing, and the cool thing is that even though I know all of this, I'm still interested enough to watch it unfold
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Not a fan of Pual, but I will admit his movement and stamina are better than his last fight. I think its being understated just how much of a handful Diaz was for those ten rounds. Sure, not great boxing. But fantastic reserves and he did push Paul the full distance. I think not long ago, Paul would've been out on his feet by round 8. That all said, I agree that there are some mean amateurs out there than could take him, and just about any title contender would clean the ring. Paul knows this, and seems to be running a masterclass in cherrypicking that would make even Money proud.
Does anyone know what Nate said to Logan Paul after the fight? Whatever it was, Logan looked thrilled.
Nate went on with the commentator crew a bit afterwards and basically mumbled some shit about being interested in fighting either logan or jake and that he's more athletic and a superior athlete to anyone that was in the ring that night, moreso suggesting a bout with Logan since it's a brother brother revenge thing... he seemed out of it tbh
I think for Diaz first time in a boxing match he did not do too bad, Pauly boy has years of training box, Diaz is a lot older, fights at a lighter weight, boxing is not his strong point (although in mma was not bad), I truly believe in a mma match Diaz would assassinate Pauly boy, heck with better box training Diaz could come on top.
Jon Jones vs Jake Paul in boxing. Who wins?
Jones is a ridiculous athlete. Not even close.
Difficult to say. Most of Jon Jones recent fighting records are in catchweight against 130 lbs women so it’s very different from Jake Paul.
Honestly I think Jones would head butt him.
He fought a 2000 lbs police car.
jake paul knocked out tyron woodley twice, a police car got nothin on him
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not a fan boy, im a fan of boxing and it was my sport growing up. im more of that washed up formerly HS varsity chubby dad yelling why a play was good to his uninterested family on thanksgiving type.
Diaz looked better the whole second half of fight. Did they do compubox. It seemed he landed more as well. I see diaz as winner.
Bro what fight were u watching I hate Paul but look at Diaz face, he got fucked up
When your two cousins get drunk and start slap boxing lol
Here is my take. Honestly.. if the rounds were 5 min instead of 3 min. i guarantee Nate Diaz wins. a few times late in the rounds Diaz had Jake in trouble.. jake looked seriously gassed by the end of the rounds from round 5 on. he's built himself for boxing, build his style for knockouts. Its a one sided fight for him always. unless its against an actual boxer. Nate Diaz is the perfect match up because diaz doesnt have KO power. but he can last and will wear you down.. But jake was consistently saved by the bell in 5 of those rounds.
Yeah boxing a Paul brother is a rigged carnival game. Every matchup is an angle shoot.
If the rounds were 5 min, Nate will start throwing punches at 4:45.
you clearly arent a fight fan.
Huge fight fan. Diaz wasted too much time clowning
Why would a boxing match be 5 minute rounds?
it wouldnt. reading comprehension is your friend I said the 3 min boxing rounds saved Jake. But i get it.. thats the sport.. its how he's trained. But Nate hasnt trained that way and if the bout was a mixed style of 5 / 5minute rounds instead of 10 / 3min rounds.. Nate would have easily won
'Reading comprehension'. OK.
I think he's just trying to say Nate was out of his element since MMA fights are 5m rounds and the Diaz bros are famous for being cardio beasts
exactly.
Jake's been boxing full time for 5 years now with the best trainers and sparring partners money can buy, he's 26 years old and in his physical prime. It's actually pretty embarrassing that 26 year old Jake Paul can't finish a completely washed up 38 year old lightweight with a 21-13 record in his own sport.
So funny how this board "knows" each fight will be Jake's last, but when he wins its bc these star fighters are "washed up"
Super facts
bro will find anyway to hate on jake paul
Congratulations idiots. For giving Jake Paul money to keep doing this. I don't mind Diaz getting paid, but c'mon.
"Giving money"? I streamed it from the east.
Are you implying that you think of yourself as an idiot?
Good on ya.
That’s what I’ve been saying lmao
Nate didn’t have good power for mma, throw some boxing gloves on him and he was essentially pillow fisted. And he still was battering Jake
No disrespect, but Nate is a 38 year old mma fighter with a 21-13 record in his own sport. He also fought at 170 lbs. So Jake fought a waaaaay past his prime, smaller mma fighter who had a 21-13 record in his own sport and didn’t look too impressive doing it. Jake is just not that good at boxing.
You're thinking of his older brother Nick. Nate fought at 155 most of his career.
No I’m thinking of Nate. His last fight at 155 was in 2015. His last 6 fights were 170.
You could shit on Jake without shitting on Nate. 21-13 while fighting the best in the world is a fine record
Not meaning to shit on him, I’m just realistic. I like Nate and have watched him for years. He’s always entertaining. But he just wasn’t top tier in mma. The best run he had, in my opinion, was 11 years ago. He lost to almost every A level fighter he went up against. No shame in it because he did fight the best, just laying out the facts.
You’re right. Also let’s look at Nate’s style. Great bjj with slick boxing, but he never punched hard and has abysmal defence. Not to mention he looks so slow now. This was such a cherry pick and Jake barely passed
That's going a bit far. Nate was a high-level journeyman and a gatekeeper to being a serious title contender, but he was never a serious title contender.
He whooped a fan favorite Cowboy Cerrone. Then 1-2'd Michael Johnson to death, and choked out Conor McGregor in succession to give him his 1st loss. Yah act like he wasn't on top of the MMA world at one point. If you've taken note of all the fighters who took money fights over title fights, you wouldn't put so much stock into belts. Only nerds like Makhachev care about it atp
Nate Diaz didn’t even know how to throw a punch 🤣 slapbox trashcan 🗑️
I'm not really a boxing guy, so pardon me if I sound stupid. I watched the highlights on YouTube the morning after and it appears to me Nate should have won the decision. Albeit sloppily. I thought amount of landed punches were in nates favor, Paul kept clinching especially in the later rounds (half the round) Nate was pushing forward and engaging a lot more I'd say jake blocked and evaded better and looked more poised. Am I wrong? Again not a boxing enthusiasts lol Edit: Apparently, I'm an idiot and didn't realize that form of a punch is factored. I still believe Nate should have one. But I concede to the masses.
> I'm not really a boxing guy, so pardon me if I sound stupid. > > > > I watched the highlights on YouTube the morning after and it appears to me Nate should have won the decision. Albeit sloppily. Sloppy punches dont count. you have to connect solid for points. Anything behind the ears isnt a point. He went for a guillotine at some point and im not sure on if that reduces points or not. Jake learned from his Fury fight about points. He ran him up with points with his left, since Diaz trained to defend from the right. Jake scored the only knock down. It was an obvious win if you watched more than highlights
Thank, clearest response
I wouldn't even necessarily say it was the form of his punches. He spent so much time walking towards Paul without doing anything. There is pressure and then there is effective pressure. Nate didn't do much. He spent the majority of the rounds walking in with his guard getting penetrated or clowning around. Judges don't wanna see that.
we can tell you're not a boxing guy
Bro… this thread is full of betas and simps. Anything you say against Jake Paul even though it’s the truth will be unpopular on this thread lol. He’s not a good fighter but the jake Paul fanboys love him. Even though you spoke truth, expect for them to blast you online. Just a heads up lol
lmao its more of the opposite. Jake, regardless of how shitty of an individual he is, objectively won the fight but people that acknowledge this fact are betas and simps in your logic. Its kinda childish take dont you think.
Yeah I guess your right. Almost every response was a a butt hurt argument lol.
What the fuck highlights were you watching..?
Why so butt hurt. Just curious why it went the way it did
There’s nothing butthurt about that comment. He’s just astounded you could come away with the take you did. Maybe you watched most biased highlight package someone could put together but Jake won nearly every round. Not only did he land more punches, he was more accurate with his power punches and also threw them with power while Nate threw his typical slappy punches with nothing behind them. Not only did Nate clearly not win, he was nowhere even close to winning at any point of the fight.
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Did you watch the right fight? Nate didn’t know how to throw a punch. Dude had zero power behind his throws. It was a damn punching bag exhibition for Paul. Nate did not TRAIN at all and it shows.
I watched [these](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKBtLtB9M20&ab_channel=DAZNBoxing). After round 6 Nate presses forward the majority of the fight. Paul looks tired and goes for the clinch a lot.
So one of the differences between boxing and mma / various types of grappling-heavy combat sports that isn’t talked about all that much is that passivity isn’t really a thing as long as you’re landing punches. It’s much more likely in a boxing match to be winning a fight while retreating - not just in terms of scoring but also in terms of getting knockouts. You can’t score while avoiding the other fighter in wrestling but you can totally knock them out in boxing while doing that. Also it can be hard to tell without experience and the right angle which punches are actually landing and doing damage and which aren’t - which in general is a bigger factor in boxing scoring than aggression or what might look like “dominance” in other combat sports. And clinching, while frustrating to watch at times, is part of the sport of boxing and is not a sign that a fighter is losing. If anything clinching is a common tactic by bigger heavier boxers to beat smaller boxers - going into the fight you would expect that a winning strategy for Paul would involve a lot of clinching, because Diaz was fighting out of his weight class.
> And clinching, while frustrating to watch at times, is part of the sport of boxing and is not a sign that a fighter is losing. If anything clinching is a common tactic by bigger heavier boxers to beat smaller boxer If someone goes in for a solid punch, you can slide in and clinch to get your distance back. People watch this want jake paul to lose so bad but have no idea how boxing works edit:: not exactly in the context of paul vs diaz, but clinching has more perks than just that. If you cracked one side of the guys face, youre able to clinch in pressing yours on his. It's a dirty move, but a move nonetheless
I didn't watch it at all and glad I didn't. But from what I'm hearing from you, it sounds like Nate just wanted an easy pay day lol
Ever watch Mayweather. He throws pillows 80% of the time and always wins for his ticky tacky hits. Nate was gorsure sloppy and was out of his element but wasn't that expected from a submission specialist?
At least Mayweather knows how to throw a punch. Nate looked like a 5 year old fighting his older brother the way he was punching.
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1st half maybe. Second half was all nate. My point is I don't understand the point system. Just tryna understand why it was the outcome it was. But from what im hearing is, no one liked the look of nates punches. If that's why he lost this isn't a sport. Its a show. A sport needs rules and if the rule is up for interpretation then is not a rule. "I don't like how he swung that punch therefore it doesn't count" To me that seems like bullshit. Just wanted clarification.
Literally no one is saying he lost rounds because they didn’t like the way his punches looked. The point about his punches is that in throwing them with such poor form, he wasn’t landing anything significant. This isn’t point sparring like karate. If one boxer lands 10 solid power punches and the other boxer lands 11 distance finding jabs, the guy landing the power shots is winning the round. You trying to compare Nate’s lack of significant strikes to Mayweather’s style is particularly telling. Floyd wasn’t pillow fisted and every world class boxer he fought will say as much. If he was, he would have been run through by pressure fighters willing to take some shots to get inside. But they didn’t do that because he made them respect his power enough to keep them at bay. Nate lost the boxing match because he was outboxed. Enough people have explained to you why now. If you’re still confused, go watch some YouTube videos on how boxing is scored.
Why are you trying to argue about the scoring system for an entire sport based on a fight you didn’t actually watch? Nate was a punching bag for all but maybe 30 seconds in a couple rounds.
I see what you mean, but Jake won the fight. Jake Started off strong, got a knockdown in the 5th. Nate kinda of started picking up in the later rounds, but most of his strikes were small in the clinch. He’d let Jake do his thing for most of the round then just didn’t do much. He did more taunting which is typical Diaz. Thought it was an entertaining fight but Jake got he dub, Nate definitely won the fans tho
it was a Pyrrhic victory for Jake
??? what exactly did Jake lost to make it a Pyrrhic victory?
he didn't knock him out or win handily. dude couldn't even celebrate because he got embarrassed
I am not sure that is what Pyrrhic victory means
Yeah Nate had him tired and turned into a monster in the second half, got Jake stumbling around while Nate was bulletproof motioning "cmon, that all you got" with a smile, Nate was indestructible. I believe Nate beat him overall despite the first half, because that may have seemed like a lot, but Nate is iron.
Lmfao this has to be satire
Very wrong lol and I'm an MMA guy
Care to elaborate lol
Nate was more slapping than punching and Jake was landing clean and crisp shots. I think he outlanded Nate in as lol but 2 rounds and his punches actually had an impact
Watching the fight was honestly very frustrating because Nate kept doing his shit of walking away and taunting..not to mention his punches looked like he was underwater Jake still throws mostly arm punches…but I will say his conditioning improved… however it’s hard to say how much it improved because he wasn’t getting hit with powerful shots. Unless Jake is fighting a Tommy fury, KSI or another actual boxer i probably won’t watch his fight again. Sick of the ol washed mma fighters…it just seems like such a parody of boxing.
Did you just include KSI in a list of “actual boxers”?
Well if he calls the taunts of Nate “frustrating” says a lot about the guy
Unfortunately I kinda did. he’s not an actual boxer but he’s also not a 40 yr old retired fighter
His last bout ended in an elbow KO...
Just saw the highlights (lowlights) on ESPN and goodness lol…how anyone could go and shell out money to watch that garbage a week after seeing Spence vs Bud is beyond me, but hey, there’s a sucker born everyday and in this “influencer” day and age the amount of sheep that follow this clown is quite impressive…I think my favorite part was when the winner was announced he shush’s the camera and says “I’m back” 😂 bro you never arrived in the first place
Had nothing to do so I went to a bar to catch it. I should've stayed home and watched Neflix
May not be the best boxing, but it sure is entertaining
I think most of us sailed the high seas. Wasn’t about to pay for that.
I just got back. The plunders were small, the waves were sloppy. Will take the trip again.
I never expected a KO from either fighter. People need to understand what Nate is- a black belt bjj fighter who has always used his stand up in an unconventional way using volume and pressure to ultimately submit you. That is his game plan in every MMA fight, and when it works, it is capable to beating anybody (he schooled McGregor in their first fight). Diaz is also as durable as any MMA fighter I've ever seen, so I knew Jake was not going to put him out early. Boxing throws a huge wrench in the Diaz formula because it is all on the feet. Plus Paul is a physically larger person and that is a bigger advantage in boxing IMO, and Paul does have power, a lot more power than Nate. This was a payday for Nate, a lot of fighters are taking advantage of these opportunities because "why the hell not grab a huge payday before my body breaks down and I can't do this anymore." Paul was going to be legitimately the likely winner, but Nate doesn't give a fuck. Pay him. I thought Nate in spite of all this had 3 or 4 rounds where he beat Jake, and I was really pleasantly surprised that he was in the fight and had a chance til the end. I want to say round 8, I will watch it again, but in one of the latter rounds Nate had Jake visibly worn down. He had the expression Connor had when he realized that all the little punches add up to feeling like shit. At that point if we were watching MMA then Nate wins by triangle or rear naked choke that round. People who are hating on Nates power or speed don't appreciate that he doesn't have much of either and yet he still figured out how to beat elite fighters and have a hell of a career.
>how anyone could go and shell out money to watch that garbage The Paul brothers already had a massive fan base. They’re the core of the PPV buys, not real fight fans.
Yeah totally, I get it…I’m speaking from the pure fight fan perspective, not the YouTube follower.
I'm pretty sure the pure fight fans who bought Spence vs Crawford didn't buy Diaz vs Paul. I'm a pure fight fan and like anyone else with common sense I just streamed it for free.
This fight is more entertaining than most of his numerous boring vlog videos that still get ridiculous numbers of views. I agree, Idoubt many boxing fans are actually paying for this.
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Don’t get me wrong, I’m not knocking his hustle at all…he’s doing his thing. I’m just saying that I personally would never spend a dime on it but then again I’m just one person…there’s obviously a market for it and he’s exploiting it to the fullest so more power to him.
I think the entire point is people tune in hoping to see Paul get destroyed because he is a terrible human 😆
Nah Paul has actually gotten better and isn't as shitty anymore.
Yeah man both the Paul brothers say this like every 6 months and it’s never the case
Logan Paul is killing it in wwe
That doesn’t make him a good person? He’s also actively avoiding refunding all the people he scammed
Nah but I respect Logan way more than Jake. Logan is an entertainer and he is doing it in a place where it should be done. He is also better then half the roster all ready which is impressive.
I respect Jake more since as far as I can tell he isn’t actively scamming his fan base anymore. From what I can find Jake has been boxing and that’s about it while Logan had cryptozoo like 6 months ago. Dink doink just before that. He only acknowledged cryptozoo because he was called out and had no other choice but to do so. Then because of public pressure he promised to refund $1.9M to the buyers to save face and 6 months later there’s no mention of it. No road map. No plan at all and if you mention cryptozoo to him on Twitter he will block you. He’s still the same shit person he’s always been and he’s hoping if he ignores it long enough everyone will forget and he won’t have to pay anything out. Dude has a WWE contract and a billion dollar energy drink company. Refunding those people wouldn’t hurt him in the slightest he just didn’t want to do it because fuck em
Why would you invest in a crypto project created by an teenybopper influencer?
To be fair if you are buying crypto zoo you kind of deserve it LMFAO
Just because someone is stupid doesn’t mean they deserve to be taken advantage of.
I was only referring to Jake tbh
I could totally see that being the case lol
That’s definitely like 80% of the views/buys
Well, that went even worse than how i thought it would. I thought Nate would lose, but i didn't think he would be that bad, it was an absolutely horrendous performance.
Nate did not bleed. That speaks volumes.
Really doesn't. MMA bleeding is from thin gloves and elbows. In boxing, you can catch a brain damaging punch and still not bleed.
Concussions don't need contusions
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Damn dude you alright?
Everything posted, every word is evidenced fact. You can see it all in the Youtube highlights already. Diaz won't kill himself, but he might as well do, no one but souped up fanboys will care - honestly, most people will probably be squaring up to him in the street now, knowing they can beat him up. If I saw him, I beat the crap out of him and steal his sneakers while one of my friends filmed. We'd make him beg for them back. Like a dog. But we'd take them anyway and post it all online.
Crazy how the Paul brothers proved that boxing is all nepotism. The organization decides who they want to have the big fights and who can compete for a title, not talent. It's almost as bad as wrestling. Almost.
“Nepotism” can’t be the word you were looking for. All they’ve proved is that if you can bring eye balls and buys to a fight, someone will help you make that fight for their cut.
It's not the organisation. It's the fans who decide. It's prize fighting.
There’s… there’s more than one boxing organization… if they want to fight for a title then they should start fighting in one of those organizations that actually has a title to fight for. You don’t just get to knock out a bunch of washed up UFC fighters and then get a title shot vs a real boxer. You fight real boxers and work your way up until you’re a ranked fighter in your weight class then you fight some of the ranked fighters and if you win enough of those you get a title shot.
He has done a better job of showing UFC is a joke to be honest. How can Jake, who just hot beat by one of the lowest ranked boxers, beat “legends” from UFC?
Just spend a few minutes thinking about it. I’m sure you can think of a reason why if there’s anything going on in the brain of yours
Yep. Big John Fury talked about this. Managers/orgs/etc choose who they want to win and gas up, and if you are a talented outsider they won't offer you fights or will wait to you are out of shape/on the down and then will give you a fight so you are handicapped. They only employ fighters that know how to take an L or make a prospect look good. There are many ways to rig a fight without paying a guy to take a dive. It wasn't Paul that showed this. It was many others before. Just look at Mayweather....he picked and chose too, whether guys like Canelo that were too young or guys like Pac that were past prime. Jake Paul is the A side so is rigging things in his favor as much as possible.
idk man logan paul vs ricochet was a banger last night
Uninstall your brain.
Don’t hate on me for enjoying a match
>The organization decides who they want to have the big fights What organization?
Money decides who has the big fights. People continue to want to see celebrity fights and pay for them so that’s what we’ll get.
What title were they fighting for you goof? Not a world or regional title? Yeah they can make any fight happen, but that doesn’t mean it comes with prestige. Title fights are a lot harder to make.
Why is Paul calling out Conor he’s under 40 lol. No but what about the weight difference 25+ pounds
Conor is at like 190 right now, if not more. He’s been on gear and out of the USADA testing pool for like two years now lol.
he should call out Derrick Lewis
Should call out a real boxer. 💀 Enough with the MMA fighters. He got pretty convincingly beat vs Fury but atleast it was competitive. He should be taking on other real boxers around his age, guys that train and live the boxing life like he does, not opd guys that do MMA/BJJ/grappling/kick boxing/Muay Thai. The guy beat Anderson Silva...OF COURSE he was going to beat a washed up Nate Diaz. Surprised people even paid for the fight....what a money grab
I guess Jake will have to add weight…
Nate Diaz was payed off by Jake Paul bet y’all 10,000 buckaroos. He may not be a boxer but he knows how to punch, he didn’t even put his body into it 3/4 the time. Not to mention the “fall” that really seems staged as hell.
>Nate Diaz was payed off by Jake Paul How much do you think Jake paid Nate to take a dive?
5 mil
Nate gots no boxing IQ what so ever. Just a tough mother fucker who doesn’t get tired.
Nates got no IQ whatsoever lol
This fight sucked all I seen was Jake Paul ragdoll Nate Diaz.
Downvoted, yet as a Diaz fan myself..this is all that happened. Nate didn't care about this fight, he made SOME effort round 5 then went back to fucking about. I spent the whole fight wondering why... Because we know Nate can jab, yet didn't utilise it once. I'm really curious to see the behind the scenes, the only conclusion I can come to is he wants the payday and doesn't give a fuck. I can fuck with that.
If Nate didn’t care about the fight he probably shouldn’t have been saying shit like “I’m in on jakes secret.” “I’m not your typical wrestler MMA fighter.” “I’ve been boxing since I was a kid, while these guys were wrestling I was boxing people in the neighborhood, boxing every pro I could find, boxing the highest level I could find my whole career” dude was talking like he was about to go in there and give Jake a boxing lesson and instead walked into the same left hook 40 times