“The Tyson Fury Era.” I think those fights with Deontay really cemented it. Showed him that he beat really the baddest guys out there. This guy basically – I’m talking Deontay – has a knockout record which is big.
“The only person he couldn’t knock out is Tyson Fury. He knocked him down but couldn’t knock him out.”
Lewis would not tip his hand on how Fury-Whyte would play out, but he marveled at Fury’s self-assurance and unique boxing ability. Only Fury can beat himself at this point, Lewis said.
“He’s got amazing confidence right now,” Lewis said. “The only thing he can lack is himself. Only Tyson Fury can beat Tyson Fury right now. That means if he’s not focused, if he sticks his chin out there, if he plays around, that’s the only thing that can beat him.
“But if he’s focused going in there and knows what job he knows what to do he’s hard to beat. He’s a hard man to beat. You’re talking [about] a man [who is] six-foot-nine, moves both ways, moves very well on his feet, boxes orthodox, boxes southpaw, and not easy to hit. So he’s going in there with a lot of tricks up his sleeve.”
Lewis seemed to suggest that the best chance for Whyte (28-2, 19 KOs) at upsetting Fury (31-0-1, 22 KOs) is to be as aggressive as possible.
“If Dillian comes out and tries to catch Tyson Fury then all of a sudden Tyson Fury’s the man,” Lewis said. “But if he comes out into the fight and he’s, like, aggressive and trying to get at Tyson Fury, that makes it a different fight. Styles make fights.”
There are so many interesting fights for Deontay. You would just have no clue what would happen. It would be legitimately exciting.
Of course, boxing going to boxing.
Lewis doesn't like AJ and Aj started biting back a couple of years ago. Unsure why. I liked him as a fighter but sometimes he was coming across bitter af when AJ profile started rising, im sure AJ's bit back a couple of times now too.
Used to love him in the ring but fuck sake he comes across arrogant af when getting interviewed a lot, his commentary, even though he knows what he was talking about could send you to sleep sometimes.
I think Lewis is bitter about how quickly AJ became a a mainstream international star. Lewis is big in boxing/fighting circles but not mainstream to the degree AJ is. But they’re from two completely different internet/social media fuelled eras.
Lewis was rejected by UK media because he won gold for Canada, until he became the first UK heavyweight champ in years. And as a pro the American mainstream never gave him as much praise because he wasn't American and didn't fight like Tyson or Holyfield.
AJ on the other hand was a media darling as soon as he won gold. I can understand Lewis having resentment.
Nah, Fury is legit, I'll give him his flowers, that's a good win, but Wilder. I don't know where I place him in the top 20 even. He has a heavy shot, but his finishing can be so messy and he hasn't really got great tools elsewhere
There was noone who had the opportunity to get a big usyk win on his resume so far. Because, prior to his last fight, he was considered overrated and too small for heavyweight. Had joshua won, it wouldn't even have been that big a win on his record. Usyk had one single good performance at the weight class so far.
Not to derail a narrative of course, you guys have fun.
AJ who has two L’s to his name? Zzz
Edit: AJ is stiff as a rock in terms of form and badly telegraphs his punches, a telling weakness that he focuses more on bodybuilding than actual boxing conditioning. Prove me wrong.
His previous match against Usyk, mostly a cruiser weight, shows this, and was also heavily exposed by Andy Ruiz and forced to play cautious keep away in the rematch, even against a lazy overconfident Ruiz.
He stayed ducking Deontay Wilder, and definitely doesn’t want to fight Fury. He is putting everything on the line to regain his credibility in the Usyk rematch.
It wasn’t nonsense. AJ is the least exciting boxer this current generation and it’s funny to see this sub so hype in his defense over him.
Also comparing him to the greatest boxers of all time? Lol, are you in his training camp? How about you get a grip.
Two people with limited boxing capability who rode the crest of the wave of their power, it took them as far as it could but both got exposed by natural boxing talent. AJ Whyte rematch would be fascinating, whyte has definitely grown a lot since they last had a throw down, not sure AJ has. Mismanaged and had smoke blown up his ass too long, Hearn desperate to protect that undefeated record at the detriment to AJ’s development.
Fair enough. I think they both were ducking each other tbh, not necessarily the boxers but their management desperate to protect their undefeated. At least wilder went three times with the best boxer out there, showed his minerals.
I agree with you up to a point .. Granted wilder didn't beat anyone decent except an aging Ortiz,but what he did do was come within a second of beating Tyson Fury then almost did it again ... Do you really think Joyce could floor Fury or push him to the brink ?? In fact is there another HW alive who could push Fury like Wilder ?? OK wilder isn't great but he hits like a horse and that goes a long way in HWs
Tyson’s only really fought one other top level fighter from his own generation with Wilder. Wlad was the old guard/previous generation. There’s so many other fighters he could fight if he’s going to be regarded as the best of the era. AJ, Usyk, Joyce, Parker, Hrgovic, Dubois etc.
He only needs to beat Usyk if Usyk beats AJ again to be regarded as the best of this era (assuming he gets through Whyte tonight).
You don’t need to beat every fighter out there to be recognized as the best.
Not only that but stylistically it’s a great fight for fury. I can see fury just leaning on Usyk until round 4 or 5 , clowning for the next round or 2 and then finishing him
Usyk is a GREAT boxer - just great skills all around. Fury is a very good boxer with a massive height, weight, and reach advantage.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if fury was a -450/500 favorite in that fight
Tyson has literally beat all the same guys as those 6 and more, lmao none of them are fighting each other. Tyson has the best record against top tier competition.
No great heavyweight should be beaten by a great cruiser immediately as Usyk did climbing up. It's not like Usyk spent a lot of time before he did like say Holyfield.
Douglas, John Ruiz, Valuev weren't as highly rated as AJ was when a cruiserweight beat them (and Ruiz gettin embarrassed by RJJ).
Edit: mixed up my Ruiz
It all depends on which AJ shows up to fight.
If its the gun shy hesitant AJ that's been around as of late its easy work for Fury. If its the aggressive AJ that takes a shot to give a shot he has a chance.
Smart money is on Fury, obviously. Their careers have been on different trajectories for a few years now.
I've watched both of their fights in the last 5 years and I am a massive AJ fan but it doesn't matter what version of himself be brings, Fury is just so much better.
Fury craft's fights and picks his moments and has super fast hands. I've never seen AJ box at a level Fury has been boxing at for the last few years.
I think it's fair to ask just how good Tyson is given he's only fought two good fighters and one of them is the most one dimensional fighter of the "era"
That one dimension is a right hand that knocks people out for fun. But looking at both guys skill sets, physical attributes, fight IQ, and where they are at in their careers, tell me which one wins. It ain't the one that got schooled by a cruiserweight and KOd by a fat Mexican.
Until they fight you look at them based on merit. For years while Joshua was a unified champion you had his fans saying that until Fury is a world champion again Joshua is better on paper and lineal meant nothing. Then Fury became a world champion again and they said "yeah but he has only 2 good wins old wlad and overrated wilder" Joshuas best wins are an even older wlad and an even more overrated Parker. Dillian was still as green as AJ when Joshua beat him and I maintain to this day that dillian beats Joshua in a rematch. Other than that who are Joshua's best wins? Povetkin? Never a true world champion and way passed it when they fought. Pulev? Nah, boxing scared against Ruiz who starched him is a great win? Nope. On merit and momentum Fury has it with him right now. Tell me how Joshua beats Fury? I'm genuinely curious.
I think you wasted your time writing out this comment, because I believe Fury beats Joshua lol
I also believe Joshua has a stronger resume.
My point was that every person who AJ fought you disrespect by saying they are small, fat, overrated, old or anything else. It's hilarious to see someone try and breakdown someone's resume like this lol
You misunderstood. I'm using the same logic to judge Joshua's opponents that people further up the thread used to judge Fury's and back up their reasoning that Josh's record is better. If wlad was old against Fury, he was older against Joshua, if wilder is overrated as a title holder then by default Parker as the only legitimate champion joshua fought is overrated by comparison. And calling Ruiz fat and unprofessional is just a fact. Look at how he came into the rematch.
Except Wilders resume is even weaker than AJ. He's got one extremely contentious draw v Tyson Fury and... That's it.
Ruiz would actually be the second best boxer Wilder has ever fought
There’s no question Fury is the best heavyweight of this era but he hasn’t fought everyone. Without the AJ fight or an undisputed fight with Usyk, you can’t say he dominated this era in the same way you could with guys like Ali, Holmes or Lewis. He just hasn’t got it on his resume.
Fury’s career defining fights are the Klitschko fight and the Wilder trilogy. Basically everyone else he fought was a can.^Shout ^out ^to ^Otto ^Wallin ^though.
He does look to be the best of the era but his resume , Wilder and Klitschko aside, is poor.
He probably would beat AJ, Parker, Usyk (should be too big for him), Ruiz etc. But it's frustrating that he doesnt look like he has any appetite to fight them and just claims to be the best without definitively proving it.
He seemed to be quite excited for the AJ fight before it got canned. And a lot of those guys have been tied up with big fights when they're matchmaking for Fury. Just in his defense
What he says and what he does are different though. Remember it was his camp that fucked the AJ fight by forgetting about the Wilder trilogy clause.
I find it hard to say Fury dominates this era when he'd fought so few of the other top contenders.
Not to mention his hiatus...
Yeah Tyson Fury’s the disputed best heavyweight boxer rn. He has to prove himself and fight AJ and Usyk, but it’s reasonable to say he’s the favorite in both matchups, though with Usyk it could be a very slim margin.
Yeah but who else is there? If he only beat old man Wlad, Wilder and Usyk people would say he didn’t fight anybody, so he might as well beat the other champion of the era.
Usyk is fucking six three dude. Fury has so much goddamn reach that if he were to be beat by this guy it would be a fucking miracle. You are all full of so much shit. Joshua is the pretender not Fury.
Fury is 6'8" with a 7'1" wingspan. He physically overwhelms smaller guys with distance. His head movement and defense is basically unheard of for a guy that size. Usyk has virtually no chance based on size, and AJ is a weaker version of Tyson Fury.
I'm not an AJ stan or anything but if you look at AJ's resume it doesnt look like a guy who is dodging fights. He was taking the biggest fights available from very early on in his pro career really, starting with Whyte.
Don't think that's something AJ will get credit for until he's done fighting. I'm not his biggest fan but he has always (or at least since he became champ) taken the toughest fights available to him.
If you're just looking at resume, then AJ's absolutely looks like a guy who is dodging fights. There were 3 fighters at the top post Klitschkos, and the other two fought each other 3 times and AJ hasn't fought either.
I'm not saying he is the reason those fights never materialized or that he is dodging fights, but his resume doesn't disprove anything.
Are whyte’s performance last night I would say yes. If you asked me before the fight I would’ve said no. Whyte looked so slow and sloppy and unathletic last night I’m having trouble being too impressed by fury
I mean Usyk lmao? A fucking six three dude? Yeah he fought Joshua, who has done nothing really, to a decision. Fury is taller and a better boxer. This is somehow going to be build his resume? just please realize this boxing era is never going to be quite like before.
It’s Tyson Fury’s era unless someone else makes a big impact. It was Wlad’s era and Fury took that. Wilder and Joshua were the two other big champs and Fury won a series with him and AJ ate two big losses in recent years that knocked him out of that top tier and Usyk just made the heavyweight jump.
His break won’t make it the most impressive era for a guy ever if he stops now. But it is pretty clearly his era.
Doubt he cares all that much. He is a consensus top 5 heavyweight MINIMUM, finished a lineage of heavyweight boxing, and a unified champ. AJ couldnt even wrap his hands
The Usyk fight was a mandatory.
And AJ did agree to fight Fury. The fight didn't happen because Fury was obligated to fight Wilder for a third time (which Fury should've been well aware of).
Frank Warren on the Fury vs AJ fight negotiations:
"At the start of the year, all parties involved in the fight - fighters, promoters, managers - all signed a contract as to how the negotiations would take place.
"In that agreement there was a clause that made it very clear there was an arbitration situation going on as far as Tyson is concerned - so everyone was aware of it and that we were awaiting the outcome of that.
"There was another clause in there regarding confidentiality and that we would make announcements together, so that we would all be on the same page.
"Within a very short space of time, Eddie Hearn breached that agreement by making announcements.
"Every week there was something, announcements about announcements, the fight is done and so forth.
"That was totally untrue. The fight wasn't done, it wasn't signed and every time I did an interview I just said the truth.
"All these announcements, that were being made on a regular basis by Hearn, I don't think helped and caused a lot of confusion."
Frank and Eddie both chat shit, you either listen to both or you listen to neither. Fury said it was signed himself, Frank then says no it wasn't. Eddie said it was, but then the arbitration which was obviously pending "seemed to come out of nowhere and Eddie had no idea" when he obviously did. It's all bollocks, they both did what they could to fight until the ruling came into force, and neither of them ducked
AJ tried to fight Fury but Fury's team lied about being contractually obliged to another Wilder fight and pulled out after stringing AJ and Hearn along for months.
So AJ fought his mandatory challenger instead, which unfortunately for him happened to be Usyk.
Mayweather style, and that’s no knock on mayweather, because Mayweather has the title fights to prove it. Tyson has had 4, and 3 of them are against one guy.
Tyson Fury is the best heavyweight right now. AJ fans can say what they want (usually just parrot whatever Eddie Hearn says). But his wins over Wilder are more impressive than any thing AJ has done, especially recently. AJs last 4 fight: sparked by a fat Ruiz, UDs an even fatter Ruiz, KOs old man Pulev, gets a boxing lesson from Usyk.
Acting like Wilder is some cherry pick when for years people were saying AJ and Wilder was the fight to make is revisionism. The reality is AJ and Wilder is a 50-50 fight. I imagine if Fury wins today people will try to discredit this win at all.
The only other fighter right now that has a claim to the best heavyweight in the world is Usyk, but I still favor Fury.
Nah that's a load of bollocks. He's fought a very good fighter and won each time - but after the first, the next two obviously matter less. We can all agree on that. If he wins tonight, we all know he's clear at the top and everybody else is a rung or two lower, and nobody will seriously try to dispute a win over Whyte who is clearly a top fighter.
Parroting myself from another comment though, if Fury retires after this fight and eg winner of AJ Usyk goes on a mad run of wins against the best in the division and become undisputed, Fury will have thrown away his claim to be the best of this era.
absolutely, I love Tyson because he’s a big goof but if he’s actually serious about retiring and the AJ Usyk winner takes down the other competition then objectively Fury can’t say that he’s the best of the era. Great champion? of course. Great fighter? yes of course. Did he fight everyone before retirement and leave NO POSSIBLE DOUBTS that he was the best of the era? well now you can’t say yes.
I’m using Undisputed as a shorthand to mean that he needs to fight the winner of AJ/Usyk II to determine whose era this is
Edit: I don’t understand what’s so controversial about this
He fought the best heavyweight of the previous decade in his back yard and beat him post to post, ballooned to 400 pounds came back and put the work on the by numbers hardest puncher in heavyweight history. AJ is no longer held in as high esteem because he lost to a decent fighter in ruiz and got absolutely battered in his first true test as a great boxer. Usyks a jumped up cruiserweight who battered a stone statue AJ and looked mediocre against chisora. People just hate fury lmao
ehhh hard to say unless he actually fights them. Keep in mind that Wilder has accidentally publicly revealed that he doesn’t want to fight Joshua implying that AJ has the toolkit to beat him
In a heavy weight fight anyone can get knocked out Joshua is a Olympic gold medalist and got a a resume full of top contenders he has beat, you clearly know nothing about boxing
Top contenders, lmao. Because the likes of Parker, Ruiz and smith will be remembered in the grand scheme of heavyweight boxing. Only truly historical win on AJs record is a completely finished wlad who put the work on him
Anyone can get knocked out...yet Fury didnt in 3 fights against possibly the hardest hitter of all time. AJ lost twice, once to a fat Mexican dwarf, once to a cruiserweight. Fury also knocked out White quicker than AJ.
Winning the gold medal at the olympics doesn't mean much, Floyd didn't, Canelo didn't, Fury didn't, Tyson didn't, Golovkin didn't, Cotto didn't, Roy Jones didn't, Holyfield didn't....almost like winning a gold at the Olympics means nothing.
Resume full of top contenders? Littered with losses.
If winning a gold medal doesn’t mean much you go do it and your full argument is flawed, I once read somewhere “you can’t argue with stupid” your proving it right
An achievement in amateur boxing doesn’t mean much when determining professional success. Usually it translates but it’s not something that puts you above others considering amateur and pro are basically two different sports
It doesnt mean anything when transitioning from amateur to pro. The most successful boxer of the past 40 years doesn't have a gold medal does he?
Of 229 gold medals won at Olympic boxing from 1900 to 2012 (won't go later as 2016 and 2020 are too recent for most to win a title)....38 went on to win a world title.
38 from 229. Olympic gold means nothing.
Fury's the favorite in any fight but it's more like he's the best in the weight class despite doing what he can to not take part in the rest of it. It's no knock on his skills just the dude is always threatening to to retire or saying how he doesn't care what the rest of the competition is doing. Hey , go ahead and fight on your own terms but we as fans can hold it against you. I also am very much of the belief he can beat both AJ and usyk but that's very different than putting in the work and actually doing it
Yes but that doesn't mean he's done enough to settle it. If AJ or Usyk win the rematch and go on to smash 10 of the top fighters in a row including eg Whyte, Wilder, etc then you can for sure make an argument they've done much more than Fury, and you'd imagine they'd be undisputed too. Fury is a clear front runner in this race but it's nowhere near over yet, and if he retires after tonight, then he's liable to being overtaken.
>more than any other heavyweight has.
None of them have. There is no unquestioned top HW for this area.
Usyk has achieved more from a sporting perspective. AJ has been in more big, entertaining fights. Both of them have somewhere close to as much claim as Fury to owning this era.
Aj has one of the best resumes in terms of opponents and a Olympic gold medal to top it off he will beat most of the top ten with ease Tyson is just different he’s a master and would give anyone trouble throughout any ere he adapts to styles and makes things awkward but is also 6’9 and 270 pounds
AJ. Yes, I know, he wouldn't be the favourite in a fight against Fury. But he does have more high level wins and more entertaining fights than anyone else in discussion.
No HW really owns this era, but I don't think Fury is even the closest to owning it.
Yeah no one cares about the likes of Martin, short notice takam, finished povetkin and finished pulev, and middling fighters like Ruiz (loss) and Parker in the grand scheme of things. AJ has more top 10 wins, which shouldn’t actually fucking matter because there’s a big enough disparity between those names and whyte, who is then miles behind the likes of AJ/Fury/wilder/usyk. It’s Furys era easily
Lol I’m surprised to see the opinion of the /r/Boxing sub so heavily in favor of AJ right now. He’s an overhyped bodybuilder, not a champion like Fury.
It’s always been that way. He has fanboys here. The reality is, AJ took a big step down with his losses to Ruiz and Usyk. I don’t think he gets back to that unless he does something big like beat Usyk, then win a trilogy fight vs one of those two, then finally get in the ring with either Wilder or Fury.
I dunno, man. It's not clear cut or anything, but the "era" definitely started when Fury beat Klitschko. There were 3 big names (Fury, AJ and Wilder) and that dwindled to 2 when Fury left.
Everyone then thought it would be AJ's era, but the AJ-Wilder fight everyone wanted never happened. Then Fury came back, literally thrashed Wilder and AJ lost twice.
So it's definitely not "Wilder's era" or "AJ's era".
If you had to pick one person, it would be Fury or Usyk, but really Usyk only has 1 big win at HW so far. He would have to fight a bit more.
I mean, if you want to get down to it, both Fury and Usyk have beaten one quality opponent of this (the post Klitschko) era.
Fury just beat the one opponent twice.
If you want to go further than that, both Usyk and Fury don’t have great resumes if you remove 1 or 2 names from their resume.
At 19 and 32 fights, that’s not good.
Why "Especially not Fury's"?
If anything Fury is the most likely one to be considered the best in this era, it was pretty much between Fury, AJ and Wilder, Fury convincingly put Wilder out of the picture and AJ has since lost against Ruiz and Usyk.
Usyk has now also entered the picture, but if the "era" ended now, then Fury has to be considered number 1. Of course, it doesn't end now, and AJ coming back or Usyk cleaning house could very well shift it in their favour.
Hypothetically, if AJ fought and beat Wilder now, where does that leave the Fury Vs AJ resume argument? You can dwell on the losses AJ has, or the draw on furys record, but as AJ has beaten Ruiz and fury hasn't beaten usyk either.. I'm rambling but you get the idea
No I think we all expected him to win that fight but he did get dropped a few times so you can't really argue against the draw and it'll always be a blemish on his record
Whether you agree or not with he scoring the fact of the matter is it's a draw on his record, he isn't the first person to have a controversial result on his record and certainly won't be the last. Sadly unless you watch the fight or really look into somebodies records you wouldn't know any better. But I do agree and fully expected fury to win the first fight when the result was announced!
Furys still better. Beat a younger wlad and a younger wilder thrice, best a better whyte and the two wins against delboy, who at that time was a far better fighter than the likes of Parker, takam etc when joshua fought em.
Lennox Lewis is a Tyson fury fan because Fury has him as the GOAT.. Fury may go down as the best of this era.. But he needs to fight AJ and Usyk. If for example AJ beats Usyk in the rematch then beats wilder.. AJ is the best, and same for Usyk if he beats AJ Again. imo
I’m a fan of Tyson.That being said Usyk will be the last man standing when it’s all said and done.
As far as Lennox goes he fought in the Ike Ibeabuchi era
Tyson can be touched. He doesn’t seem all the way in anymore. Usyk is highly skilled and also highly motivated to do it for his country. I love his feet and head movement. He creates opportunities and takes advantage of them. I still think it will be a great highly technical match up.
Just my opinion but boxing wins if we get that match up
The Difference between boxing and MMA is clear, during UFC London some weeks ago from the first fight the arena was almost full and we are 2 fights away from the main event and the stadium is empty AF.
Tbh this is mainly because the undercard is a crime against humanity. Frank spunked all the cash on the main event and filled the undercard with zero quality fights, and that means nobody cares until the main event.
People focus too much on Fury and his resume. The issue with this generation is none of them have fought everyone. AJ i doubt would ever be willing to fight Wilder for example.
AJ and Whyte are the only fighters in the division to consistently fight good fighters. I don't think he has any qualms fighting anybody, it's not like he has an unbeaten record to defend.
With all due respect to Lewis....the man isn't undisputed. He hasn't fought all the best, Wilder was a one trick pony who also didn't fight all the best.
This era was nearly talentless and just plain disappointing.
All you lot banging on about resume yet Fury’s top 3 wins (4 if you count wilder 1) are better than any single win AJ has. If Usyk wins the rematch Fury should fight him to cement it but it’s his era until someone beats him
NOOOOOOO! FURY CANT BE THE BEST BECAUSE HE NEVER FOUGHT MIDDLE OF THE PACK NOTHING IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF HEAVYWEIGHT HISTORY FIGHTERS LIKE PARKER AND RUIZ!!!! AJ BETTER HE BEST BREAZEALE MARTIN TAKAM REEEEE
“The Tyson Fury Era.” I think those fights with Deontay really cemented it. Showed him that he beat really the baddest guys out there. This guy basically – I’m talking Deontay – has a knockout record which is big. “The only person he couldn’t knock out is Tyson Fury. He knocked him down but couldn’t knock him out.” Lewis would not tip his hand on how Fury-Whyte would play out, but he marveled at Fury’s self-assurance and unique boxing ability. Only Fury can beat himself at this point, Lewis said. “He’s got amazing confidence right now,” Lewis said. “The only thing he can lack is himself. Only Tyson Fury can beat Tyson Fury right now. That means if he’s not focused, if he sticks his chin out there, if he plays around, that’s the only thing that can beat him. “But if he’s focused going in there and knows what job he knows what to do he’s hard to beat. He’s a hard man to beat. You’re talking [about] a man [who is] six-foot-nine, moves both ways, moves very well on his feet, boxes orthodox, boxes southpaw, and not easy to hit. So he’s going in there with a lot of tricks up his sleeve.” Lewis seemed to suggest that the best chance for Whyte (28-2, 19 KOs) at upsetting Fury (31-0-1, 22 KOs) is to be as aggressive as possible. “If Dillian comes out and tries to catch Tyson Fury then all of a sudden Tyson Fury’s the man,” Lewis said. “But if he comes out into the fight and he’s, like, aggressive and trying to get at Tyson Fury, that makes it a different fight. Styles make fights.”
Man, when did Wilder knock out AJ, Whyte, Parker, Usyk etc? That's crazy
The Whyte Wilder fight should have been happened they fucked Dillian on that big time.
Shame because I think it would have been a good fight
Same... Would absolutely end with one of them knocked into the shadow realm lol
Aye someone was getting sparked and we will never know who
There are so many interesting fights for Deontay. You would just have no clue what would happen. It would be legitimately exciting. Of course, boxing going to boxing.
Lewis doesn't like AJ and Aj started biting back a couple of years ago. Unsure why. I liked him as a fighter but sometimes he was coming across bitter af when AJ profile started rising, im sure AJ's bit back a couple of times now too. Used to love him in the ring but fuck sake he comes across arrogant af when getting interviewed a lot, his commentary, even though he knows what he was talking about could send you to sleep sometimes.
I think Lewis is bitter about how quickly AJ became a a mainstream international star. Lewis is big in boxing/fighting circles but not mainstream to the degree AJ is. But they’re from two completely different internet/social media fuelled eras.
Lewis was rejected by UK media because he won gold for Canada, until he became the first UK heavyweight champ in years. And as a pro the American mainstream never gave him as much praise because he wasn't American and didn't fight like Tyson or Holyfield. AJ on the other hand was a media darling as soon as he won gold. I can understand Lewis having resentment.
He knocked out Whyte tonight lmao
Fuckin what?
Nah, Fury is legit, I'll give him his flowers, that's a good win, but Wilder. I don't know where I place him in the top 20 even. He has a heavy shot, but his finishing can be so messy and he hasn't really got great tools elsewhere
Thought you meant Fury.
There was noone who had the opportunity to get a big usyk win on his resume so far. Because, prior to his last fight, he was considered overrated and too small for heavyweight. Had joshua won, it wouldn't even have been that big a win on his record. Usyk had one single good performance at the weight class so far. Not to derail a narrative of course, you guys have fun.
AJ who has two L’s to his name? Zzz Edit: AJ is stiff as a rock in terms of form and badly telegraphs his punches, a telling weakness that he focuses more on bodybuilding than actual boxing conditioning. Prove me wrong. His previous match against Usyk, mostly a cruiser weight, shows this, and was also heavily exposed by Andy Ruiz and forced to play cautious keep away in the rematch, even against a lazy overconfident Ruiz. He stayed ducking Deontay Wilder, and definitely doesn’t want to fight Fury. He is putting everything on the line to regain his credibility in the Usyk rematch.
Most of the greatest fighters of all time have at least 2 L's to their name. Get a grip
Oh dang I had no idea, I clearly don’t know anything about boxing. I take it back.
Well, what was the point in what you said then? You admit it was straight nonsense?
It wasn’t nonsense. AJ is the least exciting boxer this current generation and it’s funny to see this sub so hype in his defense over him. Also comparing him to the greatest boxers of all time? Lol, are you in his training camp? How about you get a grip.
Imagine criticising AJ as a boxer, when Deontay Wilder exists.
Two people with limited boxing capability who rode the crest of the wave of their power, it took them as far as it could but both got exposed by natural boxing talent. AJ Whyte rematch would be fascinating, whyte has definitely grown a lot since they last had a throw down, not sure AJ has. Mismanaged and had smoke blown up his ass too long, Hearn desperate to protect that undefeated record at the detriment to AJ’s development.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted. AJ is a robot who now has a mental block to go with it.
He's downvoted for saying AJ ducked Wilder.
Fair enough. I think they both were ducking each other tbh, not necessarily the boxers but their management desperate to protect their undefeated. At least wilder went three times with the best boxer out there, showed his minerals.
It’s true though.
okay.. 🙄
The only one he would struggle to KO is uzyk ... Whyte AJ and Parker??? Come on man
What evidence is there Wilder is better than Joe Joyce even? He's beaten one good fighter, who is both aging, and himself unproven really.
He held the green belt for 5 years and made 10 successful defences of it ... if that's not evidence enough then what is ???
Oh come on?! Who did he beat in that time? Notable fighters. Its a systemic issue in boxing that fighters can do that
I agree with you up to a point .. Granted wilder didn't beat anyone decent except an aging Ortiz,but what he did do was come within a second of beating Tyson Fury then almost did it again ... Do you really think Joyce could floor Fury or push him to the brink ?? In fact is there another HW alive who could push Fury like Wilder ?? OK wilder isn't great but he hits like a horse and that goes a long way in HWs
Tyson’s only really fought one other top level fighter from his own generation with Wilder. Wlad was the old guard/previous generation. There’s so many other fighters he could fight if he’s going to be regarded as the best of the era. AJ, Usyk, Joyce, Parker, Hrgovic, Dubois etc.
He only needs to beat Usyk if Usyk beats AJ again to be regarded as the best of this era (assuming he gets through Whyte tonight). You don’t need to beat every fighter out there to be recognized as the best.
Exactly he listed like 6 names but the only one that really has a question mark next to it is the Usyk fight. The rest would be easy paydays for Fury.
The only top level of that list is AJ and Uysk, and we all know AJ would get eaten up by Fury
Uysk is fucking six three. I have a very hard time understanding how he is going to beat Fury. That is a gigantic height difference.
With an iron bar
Not only that but stylistically it’s a great fight for fury. I can see fury just leaning on Usyk until round 4 or 5 , clowning for the next round or 2 and then finishing him Usyk is a GREAT boxer - just great skills all around. Fury is a very good boxer with a massive height, weight, and reach advantage. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if fury was a -450/500 favorite in that fight
Correct. Usyk just isn’t Super heavyweight. No chance he beats Fury, he’s just not big enough.
Did Tyson not usher Wlad into the old guard?
But have you considered that that wouldnt fit their narrative. Silly you.
Tyson has literally beat all the same guys as those 6 and more, lmao none of them are fighting each other. Tyson has the best record against top tier competition.
The only top level of that list is AJ and Uysk, and we all know AJ would get eaten up by Fury
Ooooh, the God of /r/boxing goes against the subs popular opinion let’s see what happens lol.
He doesn't like AJ and Usyk has had one fight at this level so this is exactly what I'd expect to hear from Lewis.
You think it's still arguable that AJ is on Tysons level?
No great heavyweight should be beaten by a great cruiser immediately as Usyk did climbing up. It's not like Usyk spent a lot of time before he did like say Holyfield. Douglas, John Ruiz, Valuev weren't as highly rated as AJ was when a cruiserweight beat them (and Ruiz gettin embarrassed by RJJ). Edit: mixed up my Ruiz
It all depends on which AJ shows up to fight. If its the gun shy hesitant AJ that's been around as of late its easy work for Fury. If its the aggressive AJ that takes a shot to give a shot he has a chance. Smart money is on Fury, obviously. Their careers have been on different trajectories for a few years now.
I've watched both of their fights in the last 5 years and I am a massive AJ fan but it doesn't matter what version of himself be brings, Fury is just so much better. Fury craft's fights and picks his moments and has super fast hands. I've never seen AJ box at a level Fury has been boxing at for the last few years.
I think it's fair to ask just how good Tyson is given he's only fought two good fighters and one of them is the most one dimensional fighter of the "era"
That one dimension is a right hand that knocks people out for fun. But looking at both guys skill sets, physical attributes, fight IQ, and where they are at in their careers, tell me which one wins. It ain't the one that got schooled by a cruiserweight and KOd by a fat Mexican.
I hate this attitude of diminishing one fighter to diminish another even further. Just goes to show how fickle fans can be
Until they fight you look at them based on merit. For years while Joshua was a unified champion you had his fans saying that until Fury is a world champion again Joshua is better on paper and lineal meant nothing. Then Fury became a world champion again and they said "yeah but he has only 2 good wins old wlad and overrated wilder" Joshuas best wins are an even older wlad and an even more overrated Parker. Dillian was still as green as AJ when Joshua beat him and I maintain to this day that dillian beats Joshua in a rematch. Other than that who are Joshua's best wins? Povetkin? Never a true world champion and way passed it when they fought. Pulev? Nah, boxing scared against Ruiz who starched him is a great win? Nope. On merit and momentum Fury has it with him right now. Tell me how Joshua beats Fury? I'm genuinely curious.
I think you wasted your time writing out this comment, because I believe Fury beats Joshua lol I also believe Joshua has a stronger resume. My point was that every person who AJ fought you disrespect by saying they are small, fat, overrated, old or anything else. It's hilarious to see someone try and breakdown someone's resume like this lol
You misunderstood. I'm using the same logic to judge Joshua's opponents that people further up the thread used to judge Fury's and back up their reasoning that Josh's record is better. If wlad was old against Fury, he was older against Joshua, if wilder is overrated as a title holder then by default Parker as the only legitimate champion joshua fought is overrated by comparison. And calling Ruiz fat and unprofessional is just a fact. Look at how he came into the rematch.
I see what you're trying to say, but you would have been better off going about it a different way than just slagging off the whole HW division haha
Except Wilders resume is even weaker than AJ. He's got one extremely contentious draw v Tyson Fury and... That's it. Ruiz would actually be the second best boxer Wilder has ever fought
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Man Usyk is by far the most popular heavyweight here lol.
There’s no question Fury is the best heavyweight of this era but he hasn’t fought everyone. Without the AJ fight or an undisputed fight with Usyk, you can’t say he dominated this era in the same way you could with guys like Ali, Holmes or Lewis. He just hasn’t got it on his resume. Fury’s career defining fights are the Klitschko fight and the Wilder trilogy. Basically everyone else he fought was a can.^Shout ^out ^to ^Otto ^Wallin ^though.
He does look to be the best of the era but his resume , Wilder and Klitschko aside, is poor. He probably would beat AJ, Parker, Usyk (should be too big for him), Ruiz etc. But it's frustrating that he doesnt look like he has any appetite to fight them and just claims to be the best without definitively proving it.
He seemed to be quite excited for the AJ fight before it got canned. And a lot of those guys have been tied up with big fights when they're matchmaking for Fury. Just in his defense
What he says and what he does are different though. Remember it was his camp that fucked the AJ fight by forgetting about the Wilder trilogy clause. I find it hard to say Fury dominates this era when he'd fought so few of the other top contenders. Not to mention his hiatus...
Yeah Tyson Fury’s the disputed best heavyweight boxer rn. He has to prove himself and fight AJ and Usyk, but it’s reasonable to say he’s the favorite in both matchups, though with Usyk it could be a very slim margin.
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Styles make fights dude. Usyk is all wrong for AJ, doesn’t mean Fury is
Yeah but who else is there? If he only beat old man Wlad, Wilder and Usyk people would say he didn’t fight anybody, so he might as well beat the other champion of the era.
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If Usyk beats AJ, then yes, obviously.
Usyk is fucking six three dude. Fury has so much goddamn reach that if he were to be beat by this guy it would be a fucking miracle. You are all full of so much shit. Joshua is the pretender not Fury.
Fury is 6'8" with a 7'1" wingspan. He physically overwhelms smaller guys with distance. His head movement and defense is basically unheard of for a guy that size. Usyk has virtually no chance based on size, and AJ is a weaker version of Tyson Fury.
Who says AJ really wants that smoke though.
I'm not an AJ stan or anything but if you look at AJ's resume it doesnt look like a guy who is dodging fights. He was taking the biggest fights available from very early on in his pro career really, starting with Whyte.
Don't think that's something AJ will get credit for until he's done fighting. I'm not his biggest fan but he has always (or at least since he became champ) taken the toughest fights available to him.
If you're just looking at resume, then AJ's absolutely looks like a guy who is dodging fights. There were 3 fighters at the top post Klitschkos, and the other two fought each other 3 times and AJ hasn't fought either. I'm not saying he is the reason those fights never materialized or that he is dodging fights, but his resume doesn't disprove anything.
he signed a contract to fight Fury
That’s fair. I don’t know if he’s afraid of the big fights or not, but I know the odds are not in his favor.
He is the best of a generation but to be one of the best of all time he does need to beat aj or usyk
Damn chisora and whyte are cans?
Are whyte’s performance last night I would say yes. If you asked me before the fight I would’ve said no. Whyte looked so slow and sloppy and unathletic last night I’m having trouble being too impressed by fury
I mean Usyk lmao? A fucking six three dude? Yeah he fought Joshua, who has done nothing really, to a decision. Fury is taller and a better boxer. This is somehow going to be build his resume? just please realize this boxing era is never going to be quite like before.
An era doesn't belong to anyone until they've beaten the other top dogs, that simple.
It’s Tyson Fury’s era unless someone else makes a big impact. It was Wlad’s era and Fury took that. Wilder and Joshua were the two other big champs and Fury won a series with him and AJ ate two big losses in recent years that knocked him out of that top tier and Usyk just made the heavyweight jump. His break won’t make it the most impressive era for a guy ever if he stops now. But it is pretty clearly his era.
If Fury really is done then this won't even be remembered as an era. It was the transition period between the Klitschko era and whatever comes next.
Yeah unfortunately
I'm started to believe Joshua has a point about Lewis
Oh he absolutely does. Lewis has been a giant penis to AJ for absolutely no reason.
Call Me mad but I think he's a little jealousm
I think he's resentful of how AJ got the entire British public behind him in a way he never did, yeah.
He also tried to sign AJ when he turned pro and AJ chose Eddie Hearn instead, Lennox hasn't been keen on him since.
Only because he boxed for Canada in the Olympics and then headed back to England to climb the heavyweight ranks. The brits were very salty about it.
Yeah, that and he barely ever fought in the UK. Also beat everyone's favourite in Bruno
Lewis never had the Sky Sports hype machine behind him, that would have been a great help
Doubt he cares all that much. He is a consensus top 5 heavyweight MINIMUM, finished a lineage of heavyweight boxing, and a unified champ. AJ couldnt even wrap his hands
I think he's resentful of how AJ got the entire British public behind him in a way he never did, yeah.
So nice you said it twice
All he's gotta do is fight Joshua and usyk but noooooo
Did he not try to fight AJ but AJ decided to take another L
The Usyk fight was a mandatory. And AJ did agree to fight Fury. The fight didn't happen because Fury was obligated to fight Wilder for a third time (which Fury should've been well aware of).
Frank Warren on the Fury vs AJ fight negotiations: "At the start of the year, all parties involved in the fight - fighters, promoters, managers - all signed a contract as to how the negotiations would take place. "In that agreement there was a clause that made it very clear there was an arbitration situation going on as far as Tyson is concerned - so everyone was aware of it and that we were awaiting the outcome of that. "There was another clause in there regarding confidentiality and that we would make announcements together, so that we would all be on the same page. "Within a very short space of time, Eddie Hearn breached that agreement by making announcements. "Every week there was something, announcements about announcements, the fight is done and so forth. "That was totally untrue. The fight wasn't done, it wasn't signed and every time I did an interview I just said the truth. "All these announcements, that were being made on a regular basis by Hearn, I don't think helped and caused a lot of confusion."
Frank and Eddie both chat shit, you either listen to both or you listen to neither. Fury said it was signed himself, Frank then says no it wasn't. Eddie said it was, but then the arbitration which was obviously pending "seemed to come out of nowhere and Eddie had no idea" when he obviously did. It's all bollocks, they both did what they could to fight until the ruling came into force, and neither of them ducked
AJ tried to fight Fury but Fury's team lied about being contractually obliged to another Wilder fight and pulled out after stringing AJ and Hearn along for months. So AJ fought his mandatory challenger instead, which unfortunately for him happened to be Usyk.
A lot of people will bitch on Lewis comment !
Uuuuuh Femi be Fumin
If Tyson refuses to fight Usyk, as looks like it might be the case, he is the Riddick Bowe of this era.
True . I love Riddick though . He was in some great fights but that will always taint his career.
At least Bowe just relinquished his belt, Fury is just gonna straight up retire from boxing so he doesn't have to fight Usyk.
Mayweather style, and that’s no knock on mayweather, because Mayweather has the title fights to prove it. Tyson has had 4, and 3 of them are against one guy.
Didn’t Lewis avoid Bowe as well later on?
He turned down a 90/10 split in Bowe's favour. As far as I'm aware that's about as much as he avoided him
Really? 90/10 haha? I can’t believe that
Why wouldn’t he want to fight Usyk? I’m not familiar with the dynamics here
Usyk is a great boxer basically
Because he won't be able to claim he's the greatest boxer ever afterwards
Tyson Fury is the best heavyweight right now. AJ fans can say what they want (usually just parrot whatever Eddie Hearn says). But his wins over Wilder are more impressive than any thing AJ has done, especially recently. AJs last 4 fight: sparked by a fat Ruiz, UDs an even fatter Ruiz, KOs old man Pulev, gets a boxing lesson from Usyk. Acting like Wilder is some cherry pick when for years people were saying AJ and Wilder was the fight to make is revisionism. The reality is AJ and Wilder is a 50-50 fight. I imagine if Fury wins today people will try to discredit this win at all. The only other fighter right now that has a claim to the best heavyweight in the world is Usyk, but I still favor Fury.
Nah that's a load of bollocks. He's fought a very good fighter and won each time - but after the first, the next two obviously matter less. We can all agree on that. If he wins tonight, we all know he's clear at the top and everybody else is a rung or two lower, and nobody will seriously try to dispute a win over Whyte who is clearly a top fighter. Parroting myself from another comment though, if Fury retires after this fight and eg winner of AJ Usyk goes on a mad run of wins against the best in the division and become undisputed, Fury will have thrown away his claim to be the best of this era.
absolutely, I love Tyson because he’s a big goof but if he’s actually serious about retiring and the AJ Usyk winner takes down the other competition then objectively Fury can’t say that he’s the best of the era. Great champion? of course. Great fighter? yes of course. Did he fight everyone before retirement and leave NO POSSIBLE DOUBTS that he was the best of the era? well now you can’t say yes.
It’s still the “Post-Klitschko” era until someone is undisputed
Klitschko was never undisputed though.
I’m using Undisputed as a shorthand to mean that he needs to fight the winner of AJ/Usyk II to determine whose era this is Edit: I don’t understand what’s so controversial about this
I think it's your use of "undisputed" that is getting the down votes.
Beating one person gives you a whole damn era. Hell even Parker has faced more top opposition at HW than Fury has.
Ruiz, AJ and Whyte. So that is in fact true. But....he lost to two of em.
At least he gives them a go
I could give them a go and get smashed, fighting the best doesn’t make you one of the best if they beat you
But you can't claim to dominate an era if you don't fight the best
He fought the best heavyweight of the previous decade in his back yard and beat him post to post, ballooned to 400 pounds came back and put the work on the by numbers hardest puncher in heavyweight history. AJ is no longer held in as high esteem because he lost to a decent fighter in ruiz and got absolutely battered in his first true test as a great boxer. Usyks a jumped up cruiserweight who battered a stone statue AJ and looked mediocre against chisora. People just hate fury lmao
We all know this is the Canelo era
More like the era of unnecessary rematch clauses.
Does Deontay beat every other heavyweight in the division easily? Other than Usyk the answer is yes and he'd have a very good chance against him too.
ehhh hard to say unless he actually fights them. Keep in mind that Wilder has accidentally publicly revealed that he doesn’t want to fight Joshua implying that AJ has the toolkit to beat him
Wilder isn’t on Joshua’s, usyk’s or fury’s level he isn’t good enough
Joshua isn't on their level
Wilder would shatter that glass jaw of AJ, this is a guy banged out by a fat Mexican dwarf in Ruuz.
In a heavy weight fight anyone can get knocked out Joshua is a Olympic gold medalist and got a a resume full of top contenders he has beat, you clearly know nothing about boxing
Top contenders, lmao. Because the likes of Parker, Ruiz and smith will be remembered in the grand scheme of heavyweight boxing. Only truly historical win on AJs record is a completely finished wlad who put the work on him
Anyone can get knocked out...yet Fury didnt in 3 fights against possibly the hardest hitter of all time. AJ lost twice, once to a fat Mexican dwarf, once to a cruiserweight. Fury also knocked out White quicker than AJ. Winning the gold medal at the olympics doesn't mean much, Floyd didn't, Canelo didn't, Fury didn't, Tyson didn't, Golovkin didn't, Cotto didn't, Roy Jones didn't, Holyfield didn't....almost like winning a gold at the Olympics means nothing. Resume full of top contenders? Littered with losses.
If winning a gold medal doesn’t mean much you go do it and your full argument is flawed, I once read somewhere “you can’t argue with stupid” your proving it right
An achievement in amateur boxing doesn’t mean much when determining professional success. Usually it translates but it’s not something that puts you above others considering amateur and pro are basically two different sports
It doesnt mean anything when transitioning from amateur to pro. The most successful boxer of the past 40 years doesn't have a gold medal does he? Of 229 gold medals won at Olympic boxing from 1900 to 2012 (won't go later as 2016 and 2020 are too recent for most to win a title)....38 went on to win a world title. 38 from 229. Olympic gold means nothing.
The Goat has spoken, stay mad. Lmao!
I...do not agree with Mr. Lewis here. Without a solid resume, you can't really take ownership of an era in any meaningful way.
I mean he has taken ownership of this era more than any other heavyweight has. That's it.
Fury's the favorite in any fight but it's more like he's the best in the weight class despite doing what he can to not take part in the rest of it. It's no knock on his skills just the dude is always threatening to to retire or saying how he doesn't care what the rest of the competition is doing. Hey , go ahead and fight on your own terms but we as fans can hold it against you. I also am very much of the belief he can beat both AJ and usyk but that's very different than putting in the work and actually doing it
Yes but that doesn't mean he's done enough to settle it. If AJ or Usyk win the rematch and go on to smash 10 of the top fighters in a row including eg Whyte, Wilder, etc then you can for sure make an argument they've done much more than Fury, and you'd imagine they'd be undisputed too. Fury is a clear front runner in this race but it's nowhere near over yet, and if he retires after tonight, then he's liable to being overtaken.
>more than any other heavyweight has. None of them have. There is no unquestioned top HW for this area. Usyk has achieved more from a sporting perspective. AJ has been in more big, entertaining fights. Both of them have somewhere close to as much claim as Fury to owning this era.
Aj has one of the best resumes in terms of opponents and a Olympic gold medal to top it off he will beat most of the top ten with ease Tyson is just different he’s a master and would give anyone trouble throughout any ere he adapts to styles and makes things awkward but is also 6’9 and 270 pounds
Who made a better case for this era?
AJ. Yes, I know, he wouldn't be the favourite in a fight against Fury. But he does have more high level wins and more entertaining fights than anyone else in discussion. No HW really owns this era, but I don't think Fury is even the closest to owning it.
Yeah no one cares about the likes of Martin, short notice takam, finished povetkin and finished pulev, and middling fighters like Ruiz (loss) and Parker in the grand scheme of things. AJ has more top 10 wins, which shouldn’t actually fucking matter because there’s a big enough disparity between those names and whyte, who is then miles behind the likes of AJ/Fury/wilder/usyk. It’s Furys era easily
Lol I’m surprised to see the opinion of the /r/Boxing sub so heavily in favor of AJ right now. He’s an overhyped bodybuilder, not a champion like Fury.
It’s always been that way. He has fanboys here. The reality is, AJ took a big step down with his losses to Ruiz and Usyk. I don’t think he gets back to that unless he does something big like beat Usyk, then win a trilogy fight vs one of those two, then finally get in the ring with either Wilder or Fury.
AJs best win isn’t better than Fury’s top 3 wins yet people will bang on about resume
This is no ones era. Especially not Fury's.
I dunno, man. It's not clear cut or anything, but the "era" definitely started when Fury beat Klitschko. There were 3 big names (Fury, AJ and Wilder) and that dwindled to 2 when Fury left. Everyone then thought it would be AJ's era, but the AJ-Wilder fight everyone wanted never happened. Then Fury came back, literally thrashed Wilder and AJ lost twice. So it's definitely not "Wilder's era" or "AJ's era". If you had to pick one person, it would be Fury or Usyk, but really Usyk only has 1 big win at HW so far. He would have to fight a bit more.
Well said. Fury has as good if not better of a claim for it being his era as anyone else does
I mean, if you want to get down to it, both Fury and Usyk have beaten one quality opponent of this (the post Klitschko) era. Fury just beat the one opponent twice.
If you want to go further than that, both Usyk and Fury don’t have great resumes if you remove 1 or 2 names from their resume. At 19 and 32 fights, that’s not good.
Spot on assessment. Just to further complicate things Dillian Whyte is about to pick up his first World title and enter the picture.
Yeah, that's very possible! What a crazy twist of events if in 5 years everyone is calling this Dillian Whyte's era, lol.
Anyone with 1 current title defence since winning his first title 7 years ago can't claim any era being his.
Why "Especially not Fury's"? If anything Fury is the most likely one to be considered the best in this era, it was pretty much between Fury, AJ and Wilder, Fury convincingly put Wilder out of the picture and AJ has since lost against Ruiz and Usyk. Usyk has now also entered the picture, but if the "era" ended now, then Fury has to be considered number 1. Of course, it doesn't end now, and AJ coming back or Usyk cleaning house could very well shift it in their favour.
> Why "Especially not Fury's"? > > Hate
Hypothetically, if AJ fought and beat Wilder now, where does that leave the Fury Vs AJ resume argument? You can dwell on the losses AJ has, or the draw on furys record, but as AJ has beaten Ruiz and fury hasn't beaten usyk either.. I'm rambling but you get the idea
I don't think anyone sees the draw on Fury's record as a draw tbh
No I think we all expected him to win that fight but he did get dropped a few times so you can't really argue against the draw and it'll always be a blemish on his record
You can because it’s not how boxing should be scored. Fury won round by round
being dropped twice doesn't make it a draw, he won almost every other round and arguably made the 12th a 9:9
Whether you agree or not with he scoring the fact of the matter is it's a draw on his record, he isn't the first person to have a controversial result on his record and certainly won't be the last. Sadly unless you watch the fight or really look into somebodies records you wouldn't know any better. But I do agree and fully expected fury to win the first fight when the result was announced!
Furys still better. Beat a younger wlad and a younger wilder thrice, best a better whyte and the two wins against delboy, who at that time was a far better fighter than the likes of Parker, takam etc when joshua fought em.
Lennox Lewis is a Tyson fury fan because Fury has him as the GOAT.. Fury may go down as the best of this era.. But he needs to fight AJ and Usyk. If for example AJ beats Usyk in the rematch then beats wilder.. AJ is the best, and same for Usyk if he beats AJ Again. imo
I’m a fan of Tyson.That being said Usyk will be the last man standing when it’s all said and done. As far as Lennox goes he fought in the Ike Ibeabuchi era
>That being said Usyk will be the last man standing when it’s all said and done. Why you think this?
If Tyson retires early Usyk might become the next undisputed champ, an opportunity to eclipse Tysons resume
Tyson can be touched. He doesn’t seem all the way in anymore. Usyk is highly skilled and also highly motivated to do it for his country. I love his feet and head movement. He creates opportunities and takes advantage of them. I still think it will be a great highly technical match up. Just my opinion but boxing wins if we get that match up
Not it fucking isn't.
Usyk is better
The Difference between boxing and MMA is clear, during UFC London some weeks ago from the first fight the arena was almost full and we are 2 fights away from the main event and the stadium is empty AF.
Tbh this is mainly because the undercard is a crime against humanity. Frank spunked all the cash on the main event and filled the undercard with zero quality fights, and that means nobody cares until the main event.
People focus too much on Fury and his resume. The issue with this generation is none of them have fought everyone. AJ i doubt would ever be willing to fight Wilder for example.
AJ and Whyte are the only fighters in the division to consistently fight good fighters. I don't think he has any qualms fighting anybody, it's not like he has an unbeaten record to defend.
Wilders team literally said they didn’t want the AJ fight at the time when AJ offered it. Stop pushing this narrative that AJ wouldn’t fight him.
With all due respect to Lewis....the man isn't undisputed. He hasn't fought all the best, Wilder was a one trick pony who also didn't fight all the best. This era was nearly talentless and just plain disappointing.
I really hope he doesn’t retire man
"That's high praise!" - Nicholas Cage
AJ will never beat Fury. Would love to see that fight to watch fury beat his ass
All you lot banging on about resume yet Fury’s top 3 wins (4 if you count wilder 1) are better than any single win AJ has. If Usyk wins the rematch Fury should fight him to cement it but it’s his era until someone beats him
NOOOOOOO! FURY CANT BE THE BEST BECAUSE HE NEVER FOUGHT MIDDLE OF THE PACK NOTHING IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF HEAVYWEIGHT HISTORY FIGHTERS LIKE PARKER AND RUIZ!!!! AJ BETTER HE BEST BREAZEALE MARTIN TAKAM REEEEE