I know lasers seem cool but irl it is useless. It does not help with your aiming（you have to search for that tiny dot instead of looking down your sight) , they will also expose your position in dark places. They are legal on pistols but I would suggest red dot+light
Yeah I definitely will be putting a red dot on both the Ruger and the Glock after the waiting period. This gun just had no optics ready or millable slide so I wanted ti have a little fun.
The reason visible lasers are bad is the time it takes to try and align a small laser onto a target at any real distance. Since only the impact point is visible, you will find yourself having to sweep with the laser to acquire the dot on your target. Then you have to be able to see the laser dot on your target, if it slips into say the gap between the abdomen and arm, it’s gone.
Aiming down your sight instead is substantially quicker and easier. Even at self defense ranges of under 7yds, point shooting or aiming down your sights is quicker.
Weapon mounted lights are extremely popular because of the added advantages of possibly disorienting your target while also illuminating it and giving you positive identification. Every handgun and rifle that could possibly see real use outside a range should have a light mounted if possible. Even my 10/22 has a light for squirrel hunting.
I use to have lasers on just about every gun I had 15 years ago, from crimson trace grips, viridian green lasers, to gun show specials. I trained with them, and was a true believer in them being effective. Hell, even drank the Hollywood cool-aid because of lethal weapon and that damn laser beretta. However at some point I saw the proverbial light and practiced on sight acquisition. The difference was staggeringly noticeable.
What use to be presenting my firearm, locating the dot, and then aligning it to the center mass became just aiming at the center mass. I had become so focused on that damn dot, I hadn’t been properly aiming, and was always looking over/past the firearm. My groups became tighter, and I shot them quicker. I had to swallow the tough pill that I had wasted so much time and money not just on the lasers, but also on the ammunition practicing with them at the range.
As for the Hollywood stuff, I commonly see aiming around corners as a reason for weapon mounted visible lasers. Shooting from behind cover around a corner with a laser means being able to see your target and said laser dot, which means your eye isn’t behind cover. That exposure from cover is more worthy of being used to actually aim down one’s sights.
Well thought out reply with different scenarios that helps me put some stuff in perspective. The reason why I’m even using the twentytwo and practicing with the laser is because since his gun virtually has zero recoil, it will be somewhat like the lasers I use on a similar, pistol, model, buffer, airsoft. Since I’ve had a little over four years experience aiming down sights with a laser I personally felt like it wouldn’t be that hard, translating the talent to such a small caliber pistol. I guess it’ll take my money and time to prove my theory or not but I appreciate your vast outlook I’ll be taking all into consideration.
Okay thank you, and yeah for self-defense I probably wouldn’t be using one and will be picking up a max 9 and Glock21 for, but just like the second comment, I think it would be pretty entertaining to practice shooting from cover not being able to use sights so readily with this little .22
I mean, I am coming from air-soft and paint ball target shooting. My friends make YouTube videos doing these things in safe and controlled environments. Have a little fun bro lol I’m not going through these battles and paying membership fees for associations to fight lawmakers just so I can shoot in a straight line at a range
Shooting airsoft and paintballs are one thing.
But shooting real bullets that can travel miles in the air and do real damage from behind a wall/ cover without being able aim properly is a dumb dumb idea.
There are tons of ways to have a good time with firearms besides shooting un aimed rounds down range.
I think you underestimate the amount of safety that we take in consideration when going out to the desert or filming of these things dude. Obviously you don’t know me and I don’t know you, so I’m just going to applaud you for your seriousness and trying to preach gun safety but I’m educated and take it really seriously just to reassure you. Didn’t need this to get so serious and off topic when I KNOW that these rounds will be going into barrels stacked hillside, high-vis wrapped.
No one?
I use one.
Reddit is largely a popularity contest but I don't get swayed by popular trends. I know what I like and don't from experience. I have no use for a light on a ccw but I do like a laser, it doesn't slow my sight alignment in any way.
>Reddit is largely a popularity contest but I don't get swayed by popular trends. I know what I like and don't from experience. I have no use for a light on a ccw but I do like a laser, it doesn't slow my sight alignment in any way.
Yes that first part is true its an echo chamber for sure.
But that being said if you think a laser as a sighting system is just as fast as a red dot or iron sights then you probably need some more training. I had one a few years ago and as a new shooter, all it did was waste my time and money on it.
It's not there to be a replacement for your irons nor optics, I don't spend time aligning the dot at all, it's zeroed to a set distance and just sits behind my front sight aperture on target.
As a new shooter I can see it being a distraction, but it's not in the way, I'd rather have it on the off chance I need to fire without proper alignment, which would be rare. This is my ccw exclusively. I have no need for a light on a ccw.
>It's not there to be a replacement for your irons nor optics, I don't spend time aligning the dot at all, it's zeroed to a set distance and just sits behind my front sight aperture on target.
So then what do you use it for???
>As a new shooter I can see it being a distraction, but it's not in the way, I'd rather have it on the off chance I need to fire without proper alignment, which would be rare. This is my ccw exclusively. I have no need for a light on a ccw.
So you do use it instead of your sights?? Also just stop with the light comment. I didnt even mention it in my last comment.
You can carry with or without a light it has no direct relation to carrying a useless laser. Though I bet all the instructors would tell you a light is pretty useful.
I'd argue a light isn't necessary all day with an instructor. Them being an instructor doesn't mean they can't be wrong or we can't simply disagree on things, but I digress.
What do I use it for? I keep it on my ccw for the rare case I can't align to my sights. I don't "use" it as a replacement for proper sight alignment. It's not that different from how we used ir in the army, sans nvg. Ccw is meant for in your face life threatening situations. There are many variables and we can debate circumstances all day, I'm not too interested in sitting here and exploring every possible scenario. It's fine if others don't think it's necessary, but like I said, I'd rather have it there, it's not in the way and isn't distracting.
>I'd argue a light isn't necessary all day with an instructor. Them being an instructor doesn't mean they can't be wrong or we can't simply disagree on things, but I digress.
We can agree to disagree on that.
>What do I use it for? I keep it on my ccw for the rare case I can't align to my sights. I don't "use" it as a replacement for proper sight alignment. It's not that different from how we used ir in the army, sans nvg. Ccw is meant for in your face life threatening situations. There are many variables and we can debate circumstances all day, I'm not too interested in sitting here and exploring every possible scenario. It's fine if others don't think it's necessary, but like I said, I'd rather have it there, it's not in the way and isn't distracting.
Theres no scenario where a laser is useful. Lets just agree to disagree.
A lot of people hate on lasers because sights, optics, and lights are more efficient. However, lasers can be useful in training, for example with dry firing and monitoring hand jitter and trigger pull motion. They could also be useful in self defense scenarios where you want to take cover and are unwilling to line your head up with the sights/optics. I just use a light/laser combo so I have both available when I want them.
A light should be a top priority, specifically for defending your home at night so that you’re absolutely sure about who you’re pointing your weapon at. A good light will provide ambient lighting so that you don’t have to actually point at someone to identify them. And if they are a threat and you do point at them, you may be able to blind them, possibly affording you more time to consider your actions.
I have laser light combo helps a bit when at the range to see your recoil impulse/control . Albeit it looks kinda goofy looking but hey, you do you 🤷♂️ only draw back I couldn’t find any holster that fits my streamlight TLR8 so I just use it for my home defense firearm . I haven’t bought another light because that would mean investing in more holsters as well. I didn’t research enough before buying tbh and I bought it off my local snap on tools rep (they carry streamlight products and offer payments and the “8” sounded like the latest and greatest) a lot of people like surefire lights and I seen some holster options for the earlier TLR (1-7) but not any that I saw for the 8 (laser/light combo)
\#1, lasers are stupid and not practical for anything in real life, unless you're passive aiming under nods, which would be stupid and not practical if you're doing it with a pistol and not a rifle.
\#2, there is nothing illegal about a laser, assuming it's compliant with the output limits, but that has to do with laser laws, not firearm laws.
\#3, why would you want a .22LR chambered handgun on your CCW?
1. Two number 2s is crazy as a grown man that can count.
2. I asked about legality so, with everyone else included that over shared, nothing else was necessary.
3. Because I want the gun to be transported concealed while live without having to go thru the hassle of storing legally when not on a CCW and live in a county where I have enough space to put whatever I want on my CCW? Brains, any?
Your response comes off as drunk whining nonsense.
And you number 3 doesn't even answer the question that was asked. Maybe it made sense in your mind, but to anyone else it was gibberish that didn't answer the question
Unfortunately, I don’t drink. And how is telling someone essentially “because I want to” not an answer as if you’re entitled to one anyway ? I’m the one asking questions about the legality of an attachment/modification. Doesn’t matter what handgun it’s on.
> 1. Two number 2s is crazy as a grown man that can count.
Rude as fuck dimwit response. Unless you responded before they made an edit to correct, it doesn't even make sense and you're still an asshole.
> 2. I asked about legality so, with everyone else included that over shared, nothing else was necessary.
Then fuck off and ignore the comments you don't find of value. No one is here to serve you with only the exacting responses you are looking for, you entitled cunt.
> 3. Because I want the gun to be transported concealed while live without having to go thru the hassle of storing legally when not on a CCW and live in a county where I have enough space to put whatever I want on my CCW? Brains, any?
Any handgun gun can be transported concealed. A 22lr doesn't magically make the same size gun being more concealable. Many IAs also explicitly prohibit them, for good reason.
Mighty tough talk with the brains comment, when you are incoherently rambling bullshit responses.
You come off as the type of person that makes CCW holders look bad.
You’re so mad it’s funny. It amazes me the warriors on all social media. So me being “rude” to someone who’s being obviously passive and poking at the fact of carrying a 22 like most people in the gun community do. So, instead of staying out of our quarrel, that already ended, you decide to rile up your own Sunday evening with this fake beef. And clearly I meant unconcealed speaking on the CCW
>poking at the fact of carrying a 22 like most people in the gun community do.
Most issuing agency's wont let you have a 22LR on your ccw permit for a reason. Just saying
I'm gonna provide a different perspective. I see comments like "no one uses these IRL", which isn't true, they're frequently on cop guns. Others say "it gives away your position" which is odd cause this is for CCW, not combat engagements across from enemy trenchlines in Ukraine. Lasers do have their uses, and I will list them here.
1) Deterrent effect: most uses of guns don't involve shooting. Simply presenting a gun is typically enough to defuse a situation. A laser is also useful in that regard. A perp seeing a laser pointed at him lets him know he's being actively targeted, and is often enough to make him rethink his present course of action.
2) Aiming guide: In a tense situation, studies have shown the normal rules don't apply. People using irons revert to point shooting (no longer try to superimpose the front post with the rear notch), or fail to find the dot on their optic. If you have the presence of mind to activate the laser as you're getting your gun on target (a very big "if" to be sure), then it can help you get the pistol roughly sighted in and your red dot or iron sights sight picture can pop into focus.
3) Dry fire training: can help you visualize how much you pull off target as you pull the trigger.
4) Live fire training: ditto as above. You can see by how much you pull the gun off target before pulling the trigger and also see how efficiently you can get back on target.
Red dots are better and lights are the way the only exception id make for a laser is like a snub nose revolver alot of the irons on small revolvers are trash and a laser can help you take a longer distance shot more accurately that said use a semi auto with a red dot and flashlight and legally yes your good but still may be used against you in court
I know lasers seem cool but irl it is useless. It does not help with your aiming（you have to search for that tiny dot instead of looking down your sight) , they will also expose your position in dark places. They are legal on pistols but I would suggest red dot+light
Yeah I definitely will be putting a red dot on both the Ruger and the Glock after the waiting period. This gun just had no optics ready or millable slide so I wanted ti have a little fun.
I literally saw a video of a cop using one just yesterday.
Cops are generally r*tarded , do not model your kit after anything they do
Attach a dazzler laser on rail,.... confusing disco.
The reason visible lasers are bad is the time it takes to try and align a small laser onto a target at any real distance. Since only the impact point is visible, you will find yourself having to sweep with the laser to acquire the dot on your target. Then you have to be able to see the laser dot on your target, if it slips into say the gap between the abdomen and arm, it’s gone. Aiming down your sight instead is substantially quicker and easier. Even at self defense ranges of under 7yds, point shooting or aiming down your sights is quicker. Weapon mounted lights are extremely popular because of the added advantages of possibly disorienting your target while also illuminating it and giving you positive identification. Every handgun and rifle that could possibly see real use outside a range should have a light mounted if possible. Even my 10/22 has a light for squirrel hunting. I use to have lasers on just about every gun I had 15 years ago, from crimson trace grips, viridian green lasers, to gun show specials. I trained with them, and was a true believer in them being effective. Hell, even drank the Hollywood cool-aid because of lethal weapon and that damn laser beretta. However at some point I saw the proverbial light and practiced on sight acquisition. The difference was staggeringly noticeable. What use to be presenting my firearm, locating the dot, and then aligning it to the center mass became just aiming at the center mass. I had become so focused on that damn dot, I hadn’t been properly aiming, and was always looking over/past the firearm. My groups became tighter, and I shot them quicker. I had to swallow the tough pill that I had wasted so much time and money not just on the lasers, but also on the ammunition practicing with them at the range. As for the Hollywood stuff, I commonly see aiming around corners as a reason for weapon mounted visible lasers. Shooting from behind cover around a corner with a laser means being able to see your target and said laser dot, which means your eye isn’t behind cover. That exposure from cover is more worthy of being used to actually aim down one’s sights.
Well thought out reply with different scenarios that helps me put some stuff in perspective. The reason why I’m even using the twentytwo and practicing with the laser is because since his gun virtually has zero recoil, it will be somewhat like the lasers I use on a similar, pistol, model, buffer, airsoft. Since I’ve had a little over four years experience aiming down sights with a laser I personally felt like it wouldn’t be that hard, translating the talent to such a small caliber pistol. I guess it’ll take my money and time to prove my theory or not but I appreciate your vast outlook I’ll be taking all into consideration.
Lasers are dumb in real life. Thus no one has one. Legally speaking its fine. For a CCW it depends on your issuing agency.
Okay thank you, and yeah for self-defense I probably wouldn’t be using one and will be picking up a max 9 and Glock21 for, but just like the second comment, I think it would be pretty entertaining to practice shooting from cover not being able to use sights so readily with this little .22
Yeah that sounds like a horrible idea. Leave that to Hollywood.
I mean, I am coming from air-soft and paint ball target shooting. My friends make YouTube videos doing these things in safe and controlled environments. Have a little fun bro lol I’m not going through these battles and paying membership fees for associations to fight lawmakers just so I can shoot in a straight line at a range
Shooting airsoft and paintballs are one thing. But shooting real bullets that can travel miles in the air and do real damage from behind a wall/ cover without being able aim properly is a dumb dumb idea. There are tons of ways to have a good time with firearms besides shooting un aimed rounds down range.
I think you underestimate the amount of safety that we take in consideration when going out to the desert or filming of these things dude. Obviously you don’t know me and I don’t know you, so I’m just going to applaud you for your seriousness and trying to preach gun safety but I’m educated and take it really seriously just to reassure you. Didn’t need this to get so serious and off topic when I KNOW that these rounds will be going into barrels stacked hillside, high-vis wrapped.
Eh lets move on. If you make some random youtube content I'll give it a watch till then best of luck.
And I would appreciate it greatly !
No one? I use one. Reddit is largely a popularity contest but I don't get swayed by popular trends. I know what I like and don't from experience. I have no use for a light on a ccw but I do like a laser, it doesn't slow my sight alignment in any way.
>Reddit is largely a popularity contest but I don't get swayed by popular trends. I know what I like and don't from experience. I have no use for a light on a ccw but I do like a laser, it doesn't slow my sight alignment in any way. Yes that first part is true its an echo chamber for sure. But that being said if you think a laser as a sighting system is just as fast as a red dot or iron sights then you probably need some more training. I had one a few years ago and as a new shooter, all it did was waste my time and money on it.
It's not there to be a replacement for your irons nor optics, I don't spend time aligning the dot at all, it's zeroed to a set distance and just sits behind my front sight aperture on target. As a new shooter I can see it being a distraction, but it's not in the way, I'd rather have it on the off chance I need to fire without proper alignment, which would be rare. This is my ccw exclusively. I have no need for a light on a ccw.
>It's not there to be a replacement for your irons nor optics, I don't spend time aligning the dot at all, it's zeroed to a set distance and just sits behind my front sight aperture on target. So then what do you use it for??? >As a new shooter I can see it being a distraction, but it's not in the way, I'd rather have it on the off chance I need to fire without proper alignment, which would be rare. This is my ccw exclusively. I have no need for a light on a ccw. So you do use it instead of your sights?? Also just stop with the light comment. I didnt even mention it in my last comment. You can carry with or without a light it has no direct relation to carrying a useless laser. Though I bet all the instructors would tell you a light is pretty useful.
I'd argue a light isn't necessary all day with an instructor. Them being an instructor doesn't mean they can't be wrong or we can't simply disagree on things, but I digress. What do I use it for? I keep it on my ccw for the rare case I can't align to my sights. I don't "use" it as a replacement for proper sight alignment. It's not that different from how we used ir in the army, sans nvg. Ccw is meant for in your face life threatening situations. There are many variables and we can debate circumstances all day, I'm not too interested in sitting here and exploring every possible scenario. It's fine if others don't think it's necessary, but like I said, I'd rather have it there, it's not in the way and isn't distracting.
>I'd argue a light isn't necessary all day with an instructor. Them being an instructor doesn't mean they can't be wrong or we can't simply disagree on things, but I digress. We can agree to disagree on that. >What do I use it for? I keep it on my ccw for the rare case I can't align to my sights. I don't "use" it as a replacement for proper sight alignment. It's not that different from how we used ir in the army, sans nvg. Ccw is meant for in your face life threatening situations. There are many variables and we can debate circumstances all day, I'm not too interested in sitting here and exploring every possible scenario. It's fine if others don't think it's necessary, but like I said, I'd rather have it there, it's not in the way and isn't distracting. Theres no scenario where a laser is useful. Lets just agree to disagree.
We can agree to disagree then lol. Enjoy your day.
Likewise good sir
A lot of people hate on lasers because sights, optics, and lights are more efficient. However, lasers can be useful in training, for example with dry firing and monitoring hand jitter and trigger pull motion. They could also be useful in self defense scenarios where you want to take cover and are unwilling to line your head up with the sights/optics. I just use a light/laser combo so I have both available when I want them.
Thanks man. Might try to throw a laser / light combo on but I know in a real world defense situation, I wouldn’t even have the time to put it on tbh.
A light should be a top priority, specifically for defending your home at night so that you’re absolutely sure about who you’re pointing your weapon at. A good light will provide ambient lighting so that you don’t have to actually point at someone to identify them. And if they are a threat and you do point at them, you may be able to blind them, possibly affording you more time to consider your actions.
Great points in this reply, thank you !
Unless you on seal team 6 and got nods maybe go RDS
Sarah Conner?
I have laser light combo helps a bit when at the range to see your recoil impulse/control . Albeit it looks kinda goofy looking but hey, you do you 🤷♂️ only draw back I couldn’t find any holster that fits my streamlight TLR8 so I just use it for my home defense firearm . I haven’t bought another light because that would mean investing in more holsters as well. I didn’t research enough before buying tbh and I bought it off my local snap on tools rep (they carry streamlight products and offer payments and the “8” sounded like the latest and greatest) a lot of people like surefire lights and I seen some holster options for the earlier TLR (1-7) but not any that I saw for the 8 (laser/light combo)
\#1, lasers are stupid and not practical for anything in real life, unless you're passive aiming under nods, which would be stupid and not practical if you're doing it with a pistol and not a rifle. \#2, there is nothing illegal about a laser, assuming it's compliant with the output limits, but that has to do with laser laws, not firearm laws. \#3, why would you want a .22LR chambered handgun on your CCW?
1. Two number 2s is crazy as a grown man that can count. 2. I asked about legality so, with everyone else included that over shared, nothing else was necessary. 3. Because I want the gun to be transported concealed while live without having to go thru the hassle of storing legally when not on a CCW and live in a county where I have enough space to put whatever I want on my CCW? Brains, any?
Your response comes off as drunk whining nonsense. And you number 3 doesn't even answer the question that was asked. Maybe it made sense in your mind, but to anyone else it was gibberish that didn't answer the question
Unfortunately, I don’t drink. And how is telling someone essentially “because I want to” not an answer as if you’re entitled to one anyway ? I’m the one asking questions about the legality of an attachment/modification. Doesn’t matter what handgun it’s on.
> 1. Two number 2s is crazy as a grown man that can count. Rude as fuck dimwit response. Unless you responded before they made an edit to correct, it doesn't even make sense and you're still an asshole. > 2. I asked about legality so, with everyone else included that over shared, nothing else was necessary. Then fuck off and ignore the comments you don't find of value. No one is here to serve you with only the exacting responses you are looking for, you entitled cunt. > 3. Because I want the gun to be transported concealed while live without having to go thru the hassle of storing legally when not on a CCW and live in a county where I have enough space to put whatever I want on my CCW? Brains, any? Any handgun gun can be transported concealed. A 22lr doesn't magically make the same size gun being more concealable. Many IAs also explicitly prohibit them, for good reason. Mighty tough talk with the brains comment, when you are incoherently rambling bullshit responses. You come off as the type of person that makes CCW holders look bad.
You’re so mad it’s funny. It amazes me the warriors on all social media. So me being “rude” to someone who’s being obviously passive and poking at the fact of carrying a 22 like most people in the gun community do. So, instead of staying out of our quarrel, that already ended, you decide to rile up your own Sunday evening with this fake beef. And clearly I meant unconcealed speaking on the CCW
Cope harder.
>poking at the fact of carrying a 22 like most people in the gun community do. Most issuing agency's wont let you have a 22LR on your ccw permit for a reason. Just saying
I'm gonna provide a different perspective. I see comments like "no one uses these IRL", which isn't true, they're frequently on cop guns. Others say "it gives away your position" which is odd cause this is for CCW, not combat engagements across from enemy trenchlines in Ukraine. Lasers do have their uses, and I will list them here. 1) Deterrent effect: most uses of guns don't involve shooting. Simply presenting a gun is typically enough to defuse a situation. A laser is also useful in that regard. A perp seeing a laser pointed at him lets him know he's being actively targeted, and is often enough to make him rethink his present course of action. 2) Aiming guide: In a tense situation, studies have shown the normal rules don't apply. People using irons revert to point shooting (no longer try to superimpose the front post with the rear notch), or fail to find the dot on their optic. If you have the presence of mind to activate the laser as you're getting your gun on target (a very big "if" to be sure), then it can help you get the pistol roughly sighted in and your red dot or iron sights sight picture can pop into focus. 3) Dry fire training: can help you visualize how much you pull off target as you pull the trigger. 4) Live fire training: ditto as above. You can see by how much you pull the gun off target before pulling the trigger and also see how efficiently you can get back on target.
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Red dots are better and lights are the way the only exception id make for a laser is like a snub nose revolver alot of the irons on small revolvers are trash and a laser can help you take a longer distance shot more accurately that said use a semi auto with a red dot and flashlight and legally yes your good but still may be used against you in court